Most of this is my opinion
As GM of both the Panthers and the Giants (8 seasons) Dave Gettleman has only drafted 3 wrs:
With Carolina
2014 #28 overall Kelvin Benjamin (BUST)
2017 #40 overall Curtis Samuel (Ok player)
With Giants
2019 #171 overall Darius Slayton.
In that same span he has drafted 7 Defensive Tackles 4 of which are either 1st or 2nd rounders.
I do think that Jamarr Chase will fall out of the top 10. I think that 3 qbs, Sewell, Pitts, Surtain, Smith, Parsons Waddel (Someone will fall in love with his speed, hell Raiders took Ruggs over CeeDee) and one of the ER Paye or Roussau will all go in the top 10. Leaving us with a chance to get Chase.
My nightmare is that he reach for a DT this year at 11. Especially if we lose Tomlinson. I also have a feeling he will cluster draft wrs the way he did with lbers this year (4) and hope one or two turns out to be an eventual starter.
I know that he loves his Dline depth and I am ok with drafting a DT if this draft had a Derrick Brown or a Quinnen Williams or a Aaron Donald but I don't think it does. Alabama's Barmore may be the best DT and he is a late round pick at best. I would be ok with a DT if we traded back and got another 2nd round and more, but not at 11.
Would love any insight.
I mean, some have him higher than Smith, and project Chase to be a dominant NFL WR. It's arguably our biggest need on the team, and this is a top 10 level prospect. It all adds up to me. But who knows. He'll probably be gone anyway.
Not if Engram is here
Pitts would add a dynamic piece to the offense - you know the one that you keep referencing as being 31st...
I mean, some have him higher than Smith, and project Chase to be a dominant NFL WR. It's arguably our biggest need on the team, and this is a top 10 level prospect. It all adds up to me. But who knows. He'll probably be gone anyway.
Apologies ryan as not trying to argue. Your post just seemed to reach too far to intimate a certainty like that, at all.
How does a prize WR recruit from southern Georgia not get swallowed up by the SEC schools and finds his way to Minn?
Is he a first rounder...again #11 seems a stretch?
This whole likewise agreement with you has to stop. Lol
Combine will reveal some things. Elite measurables WITH his production in college would be fine at 11.
Pitts would add a dynamic piece to the offense - you know the one that you keep referencing as being 31st...
I don’t see the Giants spending # 11 to invest heavily in running 12 personnel, that has not been a staple of Garrett’s offenses over the years. They invested in this Oline, need to be able to open it up. And if Engram is out it will be prior to draft day to free up caproom for FA. If he’s still here in April we aren’t taking Pitts. If Engram is gone I run to the podium for Pitts.
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In comment 15121925 BradberryGlue said:
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Chase and Smith will be gone.
If we find a WR in FA, take Pitts
If we don’t find a WR in FA, take Bateman
31st in offense is my reply to any defender anyone know this board wants to suggest. You don’t need a special D in this NFL, you do need a special offense. Our D can get stops. Upgrade the corner opposite Bradberry which is a low bar.
All other major assets aside from paying Williams and Tomlinson need to go to the offense. Cut all spare parts like Tate and Solder to open up cap space. Extend Zeitler to lower his cap #. I’d shop Hernandez for more draft ammo.
Doooooood, you are so badass! You got this all figured out bruh. I mean, yah, lets go ahead and extend a 31 year old Guard already showing signs of decline. And yea! Let's cut Aolder and eat 10.5 mill in dead cap when we are going to need a 3rd quality Tackle any way! Yea! And and....wide receivers are what makes offenses go fast, so lets draft one...or another pass receiving TE at 11 in a very deep draft class and ignore adding pieces to our defense!
So glad for your insight brah.
1) Zeitler is our best Olineman(best as in # 1 out of 5)
2) We save 6.5 cutting Solder
3) WRs are what we need, we aren’t starting from scratch here “brah”
4) 31st in offense
1) No....hes not. Hes 3rd at this point
2) True, but we also need another Tackle and Solder is a pretty good one to have. Better than Fleming
3) We dont need to draft a fucking WR with our first pick in a loaded receiver draft and before FA starts...."breh"
4) You're dumb
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In comment 15121934 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15121925 BradberryGlue said:
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Chase and Smith will be gone.
If we find a WR in FA, take Pitts
If we don’t find a WR in FA, take Bateman
31st in offense is my reply to any defender anyone know this board wants to suggest. You don’t need a special D in this NFL, you do need a special offense. Our D can get stops. Upgrade the corner opposite Bradberry which is a low bar.
All other major assets aside from paying Williams and Tomlinson need to go to the offense. Cut all spare parts like Tate and Solder to open up cap space. Extend Zeitler to lower his cap #. I’d shop Hernandez for more draft ammo.
Doooooood, you are so badass! You got this all figured out bruh. I mean, yah, lets go ahead and extend a 31 year old Guard already showing signs of decline. And yea! Let's cut Aolder and eat 10.5 mill in dead cap when we are going to need a 3rd quality Tackle any way! Yea! And and....wide receivers are what makes offenses go fast, so lets draft one...or another pass receiving TE at 11 in a very deep draft class and ignore adding pieces to our defense!
So glad for your insight brah.
1) Zeitler is our best Olineman(best as in # 1 out of 5)
2) We save 6.5 cutting Solder
3) WRs are what we need, we aren’t starting from scratch here “brah”
4) 31st in offense
1) No....hes not. Hes 3rd at this point
2) True, but we also need another Tackle and Solder is a pretty good one to have. Better than Fleming
3) We dont need to draft a fucking WR with our first pick in a loaded receiver draft and before FA starts...."breh"
4) You're dumb
1) PFF says he’s first. Who are the 2 you are putting above him
and what is the basis for the ranking?
2) RT is the bigger need and Solder is not a RT, he’s barely a LT. Fleming is better than him at this point in his career and will cost less than $6.5 million to retain. They could also consider getting a C and making Gates the swing T.
3) We need a WR1 level WR to stop retarding the development of Daniel Jones who threw 10 TDs in a league where rookies are throwing 30 and guys collecting SS are throwing 40+. The ocean is deep and I prefer being on top of it sitting in a yacht than 300 feet underwater. So i’ll take one of the best of the “deep” class at 11 Engram is still here.
4) 31st in offense, wrap your mind around how bad that is. Offense wins and the Giants are the worst team in our conference offensively.
I would not be shocked if they went WR at #11, but we need to see what happens first via UFA. I wouldn't spend UFA dollars on this WR crop, but DG just might given the tip of the hand on Golladay before the last trade deadline.
I would not be shocked if they went WR at #11, but we need to see what happens first via UFA. I wouldn't spend UFA dollars on this WR crop, but DG just might given the tip of the hand on Golladay before the last trade deadline.
Agreed if they address WR1 prior to draft day it frees things up.
Not sold that they’ll be able to get it done though it’s unlikely both Golladay and Robinson avoid the tag and if only 1 of them makes
it you have teams like the Jets, Jags etc with 3-4* more caproom than can top any offer we make.
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I don't watch Minnesota play, in fact probably ever. But this guy has nice size and really solid production.
How does a prize WR recruit from southern Georgia not get swallowed up by the SEC schools and finds his way to Minn?
Is he a first rounder...again #11 seems a stretch?
This whole likewise agreement with you has to stop. Lol
Combine will reveal some things. Elite measurables WITH his production in college would be fine at 11.
Yeah, was just seeing if some on here want to "step up" for some guys that might be in play for the NYG once you get by the bigger names.
I am just not feeling the love with a lot of these names being thrown around for these later first round picks. Once you get by the top QBs, Sewell and a few of these receivers I think we have a really big grouping of just decent prospects.
We'll see how things shake out over next 2 months but right now Player #10 and Player #50 might not be all that different in terms of talent, imv.
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In comment 15121934 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15121925 BradberryGlue said:
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Chase and Smith will be gone.
If we find a WR in FA, take Pitts
If we don’t find a WR in FA, take Bateman
31st in offense is my reply to any defender anyone know this board wants to suggest. You don’t need a special D in this NFL, you do need a special offense. Our D can get stops. Upgrade the corner opposite Bradberry which is a low bar.
All other major assets aside from paying Williams and Tomlinson need to go to the offense. Cut all spare parts like Tate and Solder to open up cap space. Extend Zeitler to lower his cap #. I’d shop Hernandez for more draft ammo.
Doooooood, you are so badass! You got this all figured out bruh. I mean, yah, lets go ahead and extend a 31 year old Guard already showing signs of decline. And yea! Let's cut Aolder and eat 10.5 mill in dead cap when we are going to need a 3rd quality Tackle any way! Yea! And and....wide receivers are what makes offenses go fast, so lets draft one...or another pass receiving TE at 11 in a very deep draft class and ignore adding pieces to our defense!
So glad for your insight brah.
1) Zeitler is our best Olineman(best as in # 1 out of 5)
2) We save 6.5 cutting Solder
3) WRs are what we need, we aren’t starting from scratch here “brah”
4) 31st in offense
1) No....hes not. Hes 3rd at this point
2) True, but we also need another Tackle and Solder is a pretty good one to have. Better than Fleming
3) We dont need to draft a fucking WR with our first pick in a loaded receiver draft and before FA starts...."breh"
4) You're dumb
You're pretty fired up already this morning. Or is this a thing with the glue guy :-)
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if Smith and Chase are gone, I would think Pitts could definitely be in play at 11.
Not if Engram is here
Well, there is an easy way to solve for that impediment.
Btw - what's the odds Mr. Pro Bowl deflects a pass intended for him into the arms of a defender in Vegas in a few weeks?
How do we get him though? We can’t win a bidding war. There are teams with 3-4* more caproom which is essentially monopoly money when you have that much.
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In comment 15122002 ryanmkeane said:
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if Smith and Chase are gone, I would think Pitts could definitely be in play at 11.
Not if Engram is here
Well, there is an easy way to solve for that impediment.
Btw - what's the odds Mr. Pro Bowl deflects a pass intended for him into the arms of a defender in Vegas in a few weeks?
Engram at all times is more likely to cause a turnover than make a play. However in the defenseless Pro Bowl I expect him to win MVP to ensure we never give up on him and he haunts us for years to come.
Especially if the pass hits him in the hands.
I'm not saying break the bank for everyone. But something tells me Golladay will be not as crazy expensive as people think. Unless you are in the top 4 or 5 discussion, WRs have not been getting as much on the open market as in years past.
Oh, didn't know it was cancelled.
Well, too bad because he is a match-up nightmare I hear.
I'm not saying break the bank for everyone. But something tells me Golladay will be not as crazy expensive as people think. Unless you are in the top 4 or 5 discussion, WRs have not been getting as much on the open market as in years past.
Supply v demand. Teams need playmakers and it’s slim pickings this offseason. Last year the Cards and Bills were able to get their guys via trade. No ones gonna be on the block this year except Beckham who is a no and Jones who is a no. If Detroit hires an offensive minded HC I think the Lions will tag Golladay and move on from Stafford:
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In comment 15121945 BradberryGlue said:
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In comment 15121934 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15121925 BradberryGlue said:
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Chase and Smith will be gone.
If we find a WR in FA, take Pitts
If we don’t find a WR in FA, take Bateman
31st in offense is my reply to any defender anyone know this board wants to suggest. You don’t need a special D in this NFL, you do need a special offense. Our D can get stops. Upgrade the corner opposite Bradberry which is a low bar.
All other major assets aside from paying Williams and Tomlinson need to go to the offense. Cut all spare parts like Tate and Solder to open up cap space. Extend Zeitler to lower his cap #. I’d shop Hernandez for more draft ammo.
Doooooood, you are so badass! You got this all figured out bruh. I mean, yah, lets go ahead and extend a 31 year old Guard already showing signs of decline. And yea! Let's cut Aolder and eat 10.5 mill in dead cap when we are going to need a 3rd quality Tackle any way! Yea! And and....wide receivers are what makes offenses go fast, so lets draft one...or another pass receiving TE at 11 in a very deep draft class and ignore adding pieces to our defense!
So glad for your insight brah.
1) Zeitler is our best Olineman(best as in # 1 out of 5)
2) We save 6.5 cutting Solder
3) WRs are what we need, we aren’t starting from scratch here “brah”
4) 31st in offense
1) No....hes not. Hes 3rd at this point
2) True, but we also need another Tackle and Solder is a pretty good one to have. Better than Fleming
3) We dont need to draft a fucking WR with our first pick in a loaded receiver draft and before FA starts...."breh"
4) You're dumb
You're pretty fired up already this morning. Or is this a thing with the glue guy :-)
Know-it-all 1/21 poster making declarative statements about how all we need to do is take a WR in the draft and our offense is fixed and has 3 threads on the first page. Yes, he is annoying. Lol