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They’ll start performing like they were expected to coming into the season. Just now without a budding star in Levert and a promising youngster like Allen. Oh, and they mortgaged their future for the next decade.
Different ownership. Different GM. Same old shitty decisions.
I wonder if this is related to Kyrie's absence. Nets are very talented up top, but really weak in terms of depth and defense. Will be interesting to watch.
in today’s NBA. Teams like the Lakers, Clippers, Bucks have paid it to various degrees. The Celtics are stuck as secondary contenders with all of their nice young talent but not a serious threat to break through.
This clips set the Nets back a decade but they have a legit chance to win a title now and that’s extremely hard to do in the NBA.
What did they give up for Allen, when they have Drummond?
drummond is a free agent end of year and an inefficient player.
Yeah, I saw that. I looked it up. I thought he had signed a big contract in the offseason. He just opted in. I remembered that incorrectly. Got to figure Drummond is on the trading block. Good move if they can bring in more assets for Drummond than what they gave up for Allen, or close to it.
You don't want to come up short over the next couple of years and feel like you didn't do all that you could to secure a title. Marks has already proven he can rebuild from scratch - if he has to do it again in three years, so be it.
He will be gone by the trade deadline.
Kyrie and Harden have proved not to be good teammates.
Durant proved he can share the spot light.
I really don't understand the desperation by the Nets to do this deal, they were a really deep team that was probably the best team in the east.
I personally don't like the deal for the Nets.
He's going to be okay now playing behind KD and now Harden?
Maybe? Gotta think age plays a factor here - Irving clearly though he could do it all on his own back then. He must realize now that isn’t the case (you’d think, haha). I also don’t think the shadow cast by Harden/Durant is as big either.
offensively I expect them to figure it out, too much talent and some brilliant offensive minds on the coaching staff. But that defense is really a concern, DeAndre hasn't been good on D for a long time.
The Nets on 01/13/21 are one of the weirdest teams in recent league history because of this trade happening at the same exact time as Kyrie's unexcused absence. Is Kyrie going to return now? Such a weird team, and yet everyone in the East is scared of them.
This is like Kate Upton adding a third boob, what’s the point?
offensively I expect them to figure it out, too much talent and some brilliant offensive minds on the coaching staff. But that defense is really a concern, DeAndre hasn't been good on D for a long time.
The Nets on 01/13/21 are one of the weirdest teams in recent league history because of this trade happening at the same exact time as Kyrie's unexcused absence. Is Kyrie going to return now? Such a weird team, and yet everyone in the East is scared of them.
The Nets are 3rd in the NBA in points scored per game. Putting points up hasn’t been their problem. Harden obviously adds even more scoring, but damn, that defense and depth may be historically bad. The big 3 are going to have to play a ton of minutes. It will be fascinating to watch play out
RE: This is like Kate Upton adding a third boob, what’s the point?
As a Nets fan, I’m disgusted. Not only do we give up two tremendous young players in LeVert and Allen, we remain stuck with a malcontent (Irving) who shows up when he feels like it. I don’t care about getting Harden. One basketball to share between Durant, Irving and Harden? Good luck with that. In 2 years Sean Marks has transformed this team from a club on the rise with good young talent into a club overburdened with so-called “superstars” with no guarantee that they’ll mesh well on the court. Not to mention the fact that the team is officially in salary cap hell for years to come. Anyone who thinks the Nets just got themselves a championship, guess what. This is Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett all over again.
The NBA is way different than the NFL (and by that I mean basketball and football). In football, trading all your assets to get a super star doesn't often work out. In basketball, there's only 5 guys on the court at a time playing both offense and defense. If you can add a super star player, all of a sudden 20% of your starting lineup is made up of super star (imagine if you could do that in the NFL with a trade).
And I don't worry about the chemistry of these guys playing with each other. Their super stars and they've played this game since they were kids. They'll figure out a way to play together and make each other better because making your teammates better is a huge part of being a great basketball player (and these are great basketball players). I mean KD is the biggest super star of all of them and he figured out how to play on a team with 3 other all stars just fine.
It might be rocky at first but come playoff time I think they're gonna be clicking and extremely difficult to stop offensively. Defensively is another story but honestly with these 3 guys in there I don't know how any team can stop them offensively.
As a Nets fan, I’m disgusted. Not only do we give up two tremendous young players in LeVert and Allen, we remain stuck with a malcontent (Irving) who shows up when he feels like it. I don’t care about getting Harden. One basketball to share between Durant, Irving and Harden? Good luck with that. In 2 years Sean Marks has transformed this team from a club on the rise with good young talent into a club overburdened with so-called “superstars” with no guarantee that they’ll mesh well on the court. Not to mention the fact that the team is officially in salary cap hell for years to come. Anyone who thinks the Nets just got themselves a championship, guess what. This is Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett all over again.
I almost wonder if they know Irving is not coming back
A douchebag like Harden being paid millions by his employer and under contract acts like a malcontent to get traded. If the Nets don't win a title in the next couple of years they are screwed in the future.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
A douchebag like Harden being paid millions by his employer and under contract acts like a malcontent to get traded. If the Nets don't win a title in the next couple of years they are screwed in the future.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Meh. And the owners are spoiled billionaires and often act like it (just like NFL and MLB owners).
NBA is more of a player-driven league than just about any other major sport. More and more people are tuning in to root for players instead of teams. A big reason for this is because in basketball adding one superstar can change your team's playoff/championship chances astronomically in a way that doesn't work in football & baseball. The players have a ton of power and leverage and they know it and use it. Simple as that.
RE: RE: How In The World Is This A Plus For The Nets?
As a Nets fan, I’m disgusted. Not only do we give up two tremendous young players in LeVert and Allen, we remain stuck with a malcontent (Irving) who shows up when he feels like it. I don’t care about getting Harden. One basketball to share between Durant, Irving and Harden? Good luck with that. In 2 years Sean Marks has transformed this team from a club on the rise with good young talent into a club overburdened with so-called “superstars” with no guarantee that they’ll mesh well on the court. Not to mention the fact that the team is officially in salary cap hell for years to come. Anyone who thinks the Nets just got themselves a championship, guess what. This is Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett all over again.
I almost wonder if they know Irving is not coming back
my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
I get the Kyrie viewpoint but I don't think you should be worried about KD staying beyond his current deal. He'll be heading into a season at 35 years old in the first year of a new deal.
my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
I get the Kyrie viewpoint but I don't think you should be worried about KD staying beyond his current deal. He'll be heading into a season at 35 years old in the first year of a new deal.
Lebron turned 36 a couple weeks ago (and won a trophy last year at 35). With the draft picks and swaps out there they need to hope KD can similarly play at a high level into his mid to late 30's.
His current deal runs through 2023, the draft picks run for several years after that. Harden is a year younger too, so between the 2 of them that should keep those picks in the 20's.
As a Net fan i'm not thrilled with this but the best positive I can see is that it hopefully extends the window to compete for championships with KD even if it's just ensuring he's here for a couple more years than his current deal.
He's like Tom Brady, just a complete freak of nature. Lebron has hardly ever been injured for a guy his age who's been in the league as long as he has. Is it possible KD is similar? Of course but he hasn't been as durable as Lebron over his career and the odds are against it. 35 is right around the age (off the top of my head) Wade, Duncan, and Dirk began to decline.
I really don't understand the desperation by the Nets to do this deal, they were a really deep team that was probably the best team in the east.
I personally don't like the deal for the Nets.
Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
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Those swaps are at Houston's option, correct? Not the Nets' option? Highly unlikely Houston has a better record than the Nets this season, so the swap for 21 would be worthless, right?
He's like Tom Brady, just a complete freak of nature. Lebron has hardly ever been injured for a guy his age who's been in the league as long as he has. Is it possible KD is similar? Of course but he hasn't been as durable as Lebron over his career and the odds are against it. 35 is right around the age (off the top of my head) Wade, Duncan, and Dirk began to decline.
I believe Duncan was still getting MVP votes and making all star games in his age 35/36/37 seasons. Dirk was still putting up big numbers through age 37. KD is a near 7 footer with uncommon skill so I think those are probably the most apt comparisons as opposed to someone like Wade.
But of course there's no real way to predict how a player will age.
Did not tear their achilles. This was a trade to bring in a ring ASAP. Is the trade worth it? If they get a title, it 100% was worth it. If they don't, it was a major fail. That's the only way you can grade this trade IMO.
Did not tear their achilles. This was a trade to bring in a ring ASAP. Is the trade worth it? If they get a title, it 100% was worth it. If they don't, it was a major fail. That's the only way you can grade this trade IMO.
Agreed - that's why I think 1 of the benefits of this trade was potentially extending the window of contention.
If Kyrie takes his sage burning talents to the peace corps or something, what are the odds of KD picking up his option for 2022-23?
As a Knicks fan I really admire how the Nets have pushed their chips into the middle of the table. It’s really hard to win a title in any major sport and if you have a chance you go for it.
The Nets paid a huge price, but it’s worth it.
Contrast it to the Knicks whose big acquisition this year is Alec Burks.
Another big attribute of this deal is that young people in the New York area 10 to 20 years old will have a choice to pick teams to follow and which would you choose? Seems pretty clear to me. As a 25 year season ticket holder, I’m stuck with the Knicks but if I was 12, I’d go Durant and Harden not Randle and RJ.
The Nets must realize they have a real chance to take the city.
... in the NBA these days, but as star aggregating continues to pick up steam, gotta wonder how it impacts the fan base of so many teams on the outside looking. It was always fun to watch a team grow organically, get to know the players — exactly what the Nets were doing with Atkinson. Yes, yes, the point is to win it all, I get it — but with all the entertainment options available to folks today, wonder if this is a sustainable biz model for the NBA. Jesus, I sound so old lol. Get off my lawn, Beard!
As a Knicks fan I really admire how the Nets have pushed their chips into the middle of the table. It’s really hard to win a title in any major sport and if you have a chance you go for it.
The Nets paid a huge price, but it’s worth it.
Contrast it to the Knicks whose big acquisition this year is Alec Burks.
Another big attribute of this deal is that young people in the New York area 10 to 20 years old will have a choice to pick teams to follow and which would you choose? Seems pretty clear to me. As a 25 year season ticket holder, I’m stuck with the Knicks but if I was 12, I’d go Durant and Harden not Randle and RJ.
The Nets must realize they have a real chance to take the city.
I like your take on this better than mine. I hereby retract my grumpy opinion, and adopt yours!
Nope. Nada. Ain't happening. The Nets will forever be little brother to the Knicks. It's like the Clips in LA; even during Lob City, I'd go home & the Clips were a distant second to the Lakers, who were at a nadir in my lifetime.
I notice this among many coworkers of mine in their 20s...
They don't necessarily follow/like a team, but follow/like certain players. Now, perhaps that's because where I am the local NBA team (the Hornets) haven't exactly been something to write home about, but I wonder if that's a trend nationwide.
RE: I notice this among many coworkers of mine in their 20s...
They don't necessarily follow/like a team, but follow/like certain players. Now, perhaps that's because where I am the local NBA team (the Hornets) haven't exactly been something to write home about, but I wonder if that's a trend nationwide.
Agreed. Same goes with fantasy and the NFL. My kids are way more into their fantasy teams than the Giants. My son is like, Jones sucks, my QB is Mahomes lol.
I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
Jim I think your point is something the NBA needs to grapple with
and to a degree has - the current environment is a direct result of the max salary system. If the amount of money you make is the same with employer, how would anyone make a decision? The important factors would obviously be relationships (teammates), location, perks (winning), etc. Lebron sort of blazed the trail but it was a pretty logical conclusion which is why others followed.
The way they have adapted thus far is the super max extension and early max qualifications for teams who draft superstars. There have been some successful extensions so perhaps that's enough for the next generation of super stars to behave differently than Lebron/KD/Kawhi whose main perk was 1 extra guaranteed year that they knew they'd likely get paid big for any way.
I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
Beal? I think the Nets gave up a ton, but if results in a title, it'll be worth it.
is younger then Obi Toppin. What a steal that is for a Bucks pick that wont be high.
Value was diminished since it's his walk year. But agree, it's sort of deflating to see him leave for so little. He took the next step this year and is going to get paid big in the next few months.
I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
Beal? I think the Nets gave up a ton, but if results in a title, it'll be worth it.
Maybe Beal, maybe some other smaller scale moves. But basically trying to compete with the team mostly as it was while building something consistent owning all their own picks, etc.
Calling Harden a loser while also shitting on the “team up to win” mindset of the NBA is hilarious. Harden ended his run in Houston like a b1tch but I will always be a fan of his for how he carried the franchise on his back and consistently got results no matter the cast. He won 1 MVP, and could easily have won 2 or 3 more. Since he was with the Rockets, no one played more minutes or scored more points. He has been an iron man and a legendary offensive force.
He’s not the best player in the game. But he’s been the 4th best player of this era behind LeBron, KD, and Curry. Maybe 5th if you consider Kawhi, but Kawhi could never carry a franchise the way Harden did so it’s tough.
It sucks that the Warriors owned the Harden Rockets, but that was a legendary team especially with KD. Maybe if CP3 doesn’t get hurt they could pull it off in 18, but it wasn’t meant to be.
Already the team has young talent and picks to work with to get back to contender status. I wish Harden the best of luck, he’s absolutely a legend and hopefully he returns to his MVP levels after the trade.
Calling Harden a loser while also shitting on the “team up to win” mindset of the NBA is hilarious. Harden ended his run in Houston like a b1tch but I will always be a fan of his for how he carried the franchise on his back and consistently got results no matter the cast. He won 1 MVP, and could easily have won 2 or 3 more. Since he was with the Rockets, no one played more minutes or scored more points. He has been an iron man and a legendary offensive force.
He’s not the best player in the game. But he’s been the 4th best player of this era behind LeBron, KD, and Curry. Maybe 5th if you consider Kawhi, but Kawhi could never carry a franchise the way Harden did so it’s tough.
It sucks that the Warriors owned the Harden Rockets, but that was a legendary team especially with KD. Maybe if CP3 doesn’t get hurt they could pull it off in 18, but it wasn’t meant to be.
Already the team has young talent and picks to work with to get back to contender status. I wish Harden the best of luck, he’s absolutely a legend and hopefully he returns to his MVP levels after the trade.
Harden asking for a trade is definitely a lot less lame than others. He obviously didn't choose to trade himself to Houston and like you said he gave them a great run. They are going in another direction and it's not crazy that he'd want to try to win elsewhere.
KD going to GS was the most egregious ring chase, even more than "the decision".
RE: This trade is exactly why I can't stand the NBA
A douchebag like Harden being paid millions by his employer and under contract acts like a malcontent to get traded. If the Nets don't win a title in the next couple of years they are screwed in the future.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Says absolutely zero about the players.
Owners make the deals to bring big names to town. Fans fill the seats and buy the merch and supply the money that owners use to make the deals.
...if Irving hadn’t decided to be so cavalier about his basketball career. Perhaps he’ll just retire, which would be a good thing. Bw in dc said it best: this team was so much more fun to watch and grow under Atkinson.
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A douchebag like Harden being paid millions by his employer and under contract acts like a malcontent to get traded. If the Nets don't win a title in the next couple of years they are screwed in the future.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Meh. And the owners are spoiled billionaires and often act like it (just like NFL and MLB owners).
NBA is more of a player-driven league than just about any other major sport. More and more people are tuning in to root for players instead of teams. A big reason for this is because in basketball adding one superstar can change your team's playoff/championship chances astronomically in a way that doesn't work in football & baseball. The players have a ton of power and leverage and they know it and use it. Simple as that.
This take is correct. Add to this the fact Basketball is a 5x5 game. One great player is huge in increasing your chances to win a title.
Interesting to see what veterans may get buy outs at the end of the season and accept a minimum contract. A Tristan Thompson type guy and/or a 3 and D guy would help.
if the Nets don't win the Championship, this trade will go down as one of the worst in history. Nets pretty much mortgaged their entire immeditate future. Still shocked they included Jarret Allen in this deal. He was one guy I deemed untouchable
cry me a fucking river. Some of you are disgusted with this move? tell you what, let's switch fucking places and come back to me with how disgusted you are.
I had a raging debate last night about how soft and pussy like Durant and Harden are and how the Nets are now a dumpster fire in waiting. Just shut up with the stupid. Dumpster fire? Disgusted?
See you in the finals. Poor guys.
Do you guys realize what you gave up for this trifecta of talent? You now have 3 all nba talents --even if and when flat earth boy stays off the rails like he is now, you have harden there to soften the blow. You are loaded. Stop crying and watch a fucking game with real talent and get a fucking grip. Christ.
The worst part of the deal for the Nets is the pick swaps. everything else is trash. This is nothing like the Garnett/Pierce deal. NOTHING. That deal was doomed from the jump. The Nets weren't any good and Pierce/garnett were cooked.
but you gave up good for great. That's how shit works. Want to go all in and have a shot? This is what you do.
Disgusted....go back to the 40 win days and and watch that nice little team go nowhere or live in the NBA finals for the next 3 years. My heart goes out to you all.
if the Nets don't win the Championship, this trade will go down as one of the worst in history. Nets pretty much mortgaged their entire immeditate future. Still shocked they included Jarret Allen in this deal. He was one guy I deemed untouchable
Yea, with all due respect this is bullshit. If the Nets are a great team the next 3 years but don't win a title that doesn't mean it's a disaster and it's not even close to a bad trade let alone the worst in history. Can we stop with this all or nothing nonsense? The Nets didn't just trade away an NBA title in waiting. They traded away two good players and a bunch of late first rounders.
The nets already one of the worst trades ever about 5 years ago. This isn't even close.
you remember shit that isn't important and love to forget the shit that matters. Have we never ever seen teams with 3-4 stars succeed before? Huh? What the hell were the GS Warriors? Or even Boston? Or basically every good to great final teams over the last 50 years? Now teams that field 2-3 offensive stars can't make it work, because why? When did this happen?
for years all I heard was you need to build a super team. Now that's out. Now the Nets represent everything that is wrong with the NBA and are doomed to fail because of too many stars. That. Is. Rich.
because i do enjoy the build up from the bottom.
but I am not going to sit here and pretend that it wont give them a better chance to win a title by doing this... it will. the picks for the next 3-4 years should be entirely irrelevant. they lose levert but gain harden. Prince was playing awful. if they had dinwiddie nobody would notice levert gone either from the depth side. (and i like levert but calling a spade a spade he is quite inefficient). Allen and the last 2 picks they lose or swap on the back end will be how they are judged if they don't get a title.
the role players they have (plus a vet or 2 they add mid year i am sure) given them more then enough depth- and they will space out harden and kyrie to have ball dominant times of the floor alone (if kyrie is playing!).
Stars, shooters and perimeter play is everything in the current league. And the Nets are now completely loaded in those categories. They could put out 4 truly elite shooters- they are the opposite of the Knicks.
Theres risk in everything but this trade was something they had to do. They are the clear favorites in the East now for the next few years. A remarkable turnaround for this franchise. Nets fans should be thrilled and excited. I would be ecstatic to have this roster on the Knicks.
people realize this trade was a no-brainer. Imagine if the Nets came up short these next couple of years with Durant/Irving and had to live with the fact they COULD have pulled the trigger on a Harden trade, but didn't? You have to go all in - Marks has already proven he can rebuild from scratch when the time comes. They'll find a big during buyout season to throw out there during crunch time with the Big 3 and Joe Harris, and will likely coast to the Finals unless Kyrie just retires.
In defense of harden and even Durant than I’m defending the trade. I am defending it, but what really grinds my gears is this weird hatred fans have for harden and Durant. Listening to Knicks fans last night (not here) go on and on about how soft Durant is because he’s not an alpha due to the GS move or how harden is a cancer and no defense and bla bla fucking bla. Just shut it. Harden is the best scoring guard in the game or damn close and his style of play leads to wins. Period. Don’t tell me he hasn’t won shit. He’s won plenty. And the Durant nonsense too, wahhhh he’s not tough because he wanted to play for a great team and waahhh he’s not an alpha just stop with the high school drama garbage.
He's going to be okay now playing behind KD and now Harden?
Maybe? Gotta think age plays a factor here - Irving clearly though he could do it all on his own back then. He must realize now that isn’t the case (you’d think, haha). I also don’t think the shadow cast by Harden/Durant is as big either.
He is going to go full revolt now ...it is going to be hilarious
If you are a 10 or 12 year old and you are deciding which team to root for, why would any child pick the Knicks UNESS of course, their Dad or Mom is a fan.
Dolan has taken NY Knick fans for granted for many years. I am going into my 26th year of Knick season tickets, and I have never got so much as a thank you for your patronage.
Also looks like the Knicks are a good 2-3 years from seriously competing and the recent games for their young guys (last night was better) has not been stellar except for Mitch and maybe Knox.
...if Irving hadn’t decided to be so cavalier about his basketball career. Perhaps he’ll just retire, which would be a good thing. Bw in dc said it best: this team was so much more fun to watch and grow under Atkinson.
Completely agree with most of this. I think the current Kyrie fiasco forced them to pull the trigger on this trade. Wouldn't be shocked if KD told them to do it, immediately.
Any chance the Nets can move Kyrie before the AS break?
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quietly building!
Love to see the Nets beat the Knicks to players.
Different ownership. Different GM. Same old shitty decisions.
Getcha your popcorn ready.
quietly building!
Saw Drummond was a FA. Cleveland has to be moving him next I would assume.
Love to see the Nets beat the Knicks to players.
ummmm ok?
drummond is a free agent end of year and an inefficient player.
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What did they give up for Allen, when they have Drummond?
drummond is a free agent end of year and an inefficient player.
Not to mention the perpetually injured Kevin Love
Thought the same. Huge haul for Houston.
This clips set the Nets back a decade but they have a legit chance to win a title now and that’s extremely hard to do in the NBA.
If I cared about the NBA a little more,that might sting
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What did they give up for Allen, when they have Drummond?
drummond is a free agent end of year and an inefficient player.
Yeah, I saw that. I looked it up. I thought he had signed a big contract in the offseason. He just opted in. I remembered that incorrectly. Got to figure Drummond is on the trading block. Good move if they can bring in more assets for Drummond than what they gave up for Allen, or close to it.
Sources: Full current trade:
Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
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Kyrie and Harden have proved not to be good teammates.
Durant proved he can share the spot light.
I really don't understand the desperation by the Nets to do this deal, they were a really deep team that was probably the best team in the east.
I personally don't like the deal for the Nets.
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Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
4:25 PM · Jan 13, 2021·TweetDeck
So Cleveland only gave up Mil 2022 1st rounder and Exum? That's pretty damn good for Allen.
Maybe? Gotta think age plays a factor here - Irving clearly though he could do it all on his own back then. He must realize now that isn’t the case (you’d think, haha). I also don’t think the shadow cast by Harden/Durant is as big either.
2 best young players and 7 Round 1s for a guy who only passes for his assist column
1 ball
No D
Pretender Status
The Nets on 01/13/21 are one of the weirdest teams in recent league history because of this trade happening at the same exact time as Kyrie's unexcused absence. Is Kyrie going to return now? Such a weird team, and yet everyone in the East is scared of them.
I guess as a Knicks I shouldn’t be laughing at any other team.
The Nets on 01/13/21 are one of the weirdest teams in recent league history because of this trade happening at the same exact time as Kyrie's unexcused absence. Is Kyrie going to return now? Such a weird team, and yet everyone in the East is scared of them.
The Nets are 3rd in the NBA in points scored per game. Putting points up hasn’t been their problem. Harden obviously adds even more scoring, but damn, that defense and depth may be historically bad. The big 3 are going to have to play a ton of minutes. It will be fascinating to watch play out
I guess as a Knicks I shouldn’t be laughing at any other team.
What's wrong with Kate Upton adding a 3rd, glorious boob? You've never seen Total Recall?
I guess as a Knicks I shouldn’t be laughing at any other team.
If she had a third boob I’d celebrate it as much as I do the first two. Man ooooooooh maaaaaan.
Love the trade for the other three teams involved.
Somebody mentioned in one of these threads but idk why the Rockets prefer Oladipo over Levert. That seems like a mistake.
And I don't worry about the chemistry of these guys playing with each other. Their super stars and they've played this game since they were kids. They'll figure out a way to play together and make each other better because making your teammates better is a huge part of being a great basketball player (and these are great basketball players). I mean KD is the biggest super star of all of them and he figured out how to play on a team with 3 other all stars just fine.
It might be rocky at first but come playoff time I think they're gonna be clicking and extremely difficult to stop offensively. Defensively is another story but honestly with these 3 guys in there I don't know how any team can stop them offensively.
I almost wonder if they know Irving is not coming back
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
2 best young players and 7 Round 1s for a guy who only passes for his assist column
1 ball
No D
Pretender Status
Totally agree. Unless the NBA is expanding to two balls, this is going to be a train wreck.
Three players who need the ball. And a new, first team HC who is going to be have even less power now.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Meh. And the owners are spoiled billionaires and often act like it (just like NFL and MLB owners).
NBA is more of a player-driven league than just about any other major sport. More and more people are tuning in to root for players instead of teams. A big reason for this is because in basketball adding one superstar can change your team's playoff/championship chances astronomically in a way that doesn't work in football & baseball. The players have a ton of power and leverage and they know it and use it. Simple as that.
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As a Nets fan, I’m disgusted. Not only do we give up two tremendous young players in LeVert and Allen, we remain stuck with a malcontent (Irving) who shows up when he feels like it. I don’t care about getting Harden. One basketball to share between Durant, Irving and Harden? Good luck with that. In 2 years Sean Marks has transformed this team from a club on the rise with good young talent into a club overburdened with so-called “superstars” with no guarantee that they’ll mesh well on the court. Not to mention the fact that the team is officially in salary cap hell for years to come. Anyone who thinks the Nets just got themselves a championship, guess what. This is Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett all over again.
I almost wonder if they know Irving is not coming back
my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
Irving
Harris
Harden
Durant
Jordan
Bench that will play will be
Bruce Brown
Jeff Green
Timmy Luwawu Cabarrot
Shamet
they will likely sign a vet--- but they really miss dinwiddie for depth.
Green likely plays backup center- and when Nic Claxton comes back.
Irving
Harris
Harden
Durant
Jordan
Bench that will play will be
Bruce Brown
Jeff Green
Timmy Luwawu Cabarrot
Shamet
they will likely sign a vet--- but they really miss dinwiddie for depth.
Green likely plays backup center- and when Nic Claxton comes back.
Tyler Johnson and Reggie Perry likely to get more time going forward too.
Irving
Harris
Harden
Durant
Jordan
Bench that will play will be
Bruce Brown
Jeff Green
Timmy Luwawu Cabarrot
Shamet
they will likely sign a vet--- but they really miss dinwiddie for depth.
Green likely plays backup center- and when Nic Claxton comes back.
This is very likely the worst defensive team in the league, and it isn't particularly close. Coached by an all time bad defender as well.
I'd hold my nose and do it, but if I were a Nets fan it would be difficult to root for that group.
my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
I get the Kyrie viewpoint but I don't think you should be worried about KD staying beyond his current deal. He'll be heading into a season at 35 years old in the first year of a new deal.
Didn't they start their careers together at Oklahoma?
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my 2 favorite things from this trade (from a nets fan):
1. makes it likelier that KD stays beyond current deal
2. makes Kyrie somewhat dispensable
I can't imagine Kyrie is going to turn a 180 so quickly to not returning, however I think at this point they have to know they just can't rely on him at all.
I get the Kyrie viewpoint but I don't think you should be worried about KD staying beyond his current deal. He'll be heading into a season at 35 years old in the first year of a new deal.
Lebron turned 36 a couple weeks ago (and won a trophy last year at 35). With the draft picks and swaps out there they need to hope KD can similarly play at a high level into his mid to late 30's.
His current deal runs through 2023, the draft picks run for several years after that. Harden is a year younger too, so between the 2 of them that should keep those picks in the 20's.
As a Net fan i'm not thrilled with this but the best positive I can see is that it hopefully extends the window to compete for championships with KD even if it's just ensuring he's here for a couple more years than his current deal.
I personally don't like the deal for the Nets.
I'm with you there. Mortgaged the future too.
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Sources: Full current trade:
Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
4:25 PM · Jan 13, 2021·TweetDeck
I believe Duncan was still getting MVP votes and making all star games in his age 35/36/37 seasons. Dirk was still putting up big numbers through age 37. KD is a near 7 footer with uncommon skill so I think those are probably the most apt comparisons as opposed to someone like Wade.
But of course there's no real way to predict how a player will age.
Now this...
Now this...
Well, it'll be a circus for sure.
Agreed - that's why I think 1 of the benefits of this trade was potentially extending the window of contention.
If Kyrie takes his sage burning talents to the peace corps or something, what are the odds of KD picking up his option for 2022-23?
The Nets paid a huge price, but it’s worth it.
Contrast it to the Knicks whose big acquisition this year is Alec Burks.
Another big attribute of this deal is that young people in the New York area 10 to 20 years old will have a choice to pick teams to follow and which would you choose? Seems pretty clear to me. As a 25 year season ticket holder, I’m stuck with the Knicks but if I was 12, I’d go Durant and Harden not Randle and RJ.
The Nets must realize they have a real chance to take the city.
The Nets paid a huge price, but it’s worth it.
Contrast it to the Knicks whose big acquisition this year is Alec Burks.
Another big attribute of this deal is that young people in the New York area 10 to 20 years old will have a choice to pick teams to follow and which would you choose? Seems pretty clear to me. As a 25 year season ticket holder, I’m stuck with the Knicks but if I was 12, I’d go Durant and Harden not Randle and RJ.
The Nets must realize they have a real chance to take the city.
I like your take on this better than mine. I hereby retract my grumpy opinion, and adopt yours!
Agreed. Same goes with fantasy and the NFL. My kids are way more into their fantasy teams than the Giants. My son is like, Jones sucks, my QB is Mahomes lol.
The way they have adapted thus far is the super max extension and early max qualifications for teams who draft superstars. There have been some successful extensions so perhaps that's enough for the next generation of super stars to behave differently than Lebron/KD/Kawhi whose main perk was 1 extra guaranteed year that they knew they'd likely get paid big for any way.
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
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I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
Beal? I think the Nets gave up a ton, but if results in a title, it'll be worth it.
Value was diminished since it's his walk year. But agree, it's sort of deflating to see him leave for so little. He took the next step this year and is going to get paid big in the next few months.
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I think the Nets had to make it. Once Durant was signed, their intent was clear - build a super team and win a title. You have no choice to go all in while the iron is hot. This will be their best chance to win a title with Durant & Harden in their primes (who knows with Kyrie).
I begrudgingly feel the same way, though I do think there was another possible path (which was admittedly riskier in some ways).
Beal? I think the Nets gave up a ton, but if results in a title, it'll be worth it.
Maybe Beal, maybe some other smaller scale moves. But basically trying to compete with the team mostly as it was while building something consistent owning all their own picks, etc.
He’s not the best player in the game. But he’s been the 4th best player of this era behind LeBron, KD, and Curry. Maybe 5th if you consider Kawhi, but Kawhi could never carry a franchise the way Harden did so it’s tough.
It sucks that the Warriors owned the Harden Rockets, but that was a legendary team especially with KD. Maybe if CP3 doesn’t get hurt they could pull it off in 18, but it wasn’t meant to be.
Already the team has young talent and picks to work with to get back to contender status. I wish Harden the best of luck, he’s absolutely a legend and hopefully he returns to his MVP levels after the trade.
He’s not the best player in the game. But he’s been the 4th best player of this era behind LeBron, KD, and Curry. Maybe 5th if you consider Kawhi, but Kawhi could never carry a franchise the way Harden did so it’s tough.
It sucks that the Warriors owned the Harden Rockets, but that was a legendary team especially with KD. Maybe if CP3 doesn’t get hurt they could pull it off in 18, but it wasn’t meant to be.
Already the team has young talent and picks to work with to get back to contender status. I wish Harden the best of luck, he’s absolutely a legend and hopefully he returns to his MVP levels after the trade.
Harden asking for a trade is definitely a lot less lame than others. He obviously didn't choose to trade himself to Houston and like you said he gave them a great run. They are going in another direction and it's not crazy that he'd want to try to win elsewhere.
KD going to GS was the most egregious ring chase, even more than "the decision".
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Says absolutely zero about the players.
Owners make the deals to bring big names to town. Fans fill the seats and buy the merch and supply the money that owners use to make the deals.
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A douchebag like Harden being paid millions by his employer and under contract acts like a malcontent to get traded. If the Nets don't win a title in the next couple of years they are screwed in the future.
Terrible trade and speaks volumes about the spoiled millionaire athletes in the NBA.
Meh. And the owners are spoiled billionaires and often act like it (just like NFL and MLB owners).
NBA is more of a player-driven league than just about any other major sport. More and more people are tuning in to root for players instead of teams. A big reason for this is because in basketball adding one superstar can change your team's playoff/championship chances astronomically in a way that doesn't work in football & baseball. The players have a ton of power and leverage and they know it and use it. Simple as that.
This take is correct. Add to this the fact Basketball is a 5x5 game. One great player is huge in increasing your chances to win a title.
2 best young players and 7 Round 1s for a guy who only passes for his assist column
1 ball
No D
Pretender Status
As a Nets fan, I had mixed feelings about the trade, but I feel much better about it after reading this take.
I had a raging debate last night about how soft and pussy like Durant and Harden are and how the Nets are now a dumpster fire in waiting. Just shut up with the stupid. Dumpster fire? Disgusted?
See you in the finals. Poor guys.
Do you guys realize what you gave up for this trifecta of talent? You now have 3 all nba talents --even if and when flat earth boy stays off the rails like he is now, you have harden there to soften the blow. You are loaded. Stop crying and watch a fucking game with real talent and get a fucking grip. Christ.
The worst part of the deal for the Nets is the pick swaps. everything else is trash. This is nothing like the Garnett/Pierce deal. NOTHING. That deal was doomed from the jump. The Nets weren't any good and Pierce/garnett were cooked.
Disgusted....go back to the 40 win days and and watch that nice little team go nowhere or live in the NBA finals for the next 3 years. My heart goes out to you all.
Yea, with all due respect this is bullshit. If the Nets are a great team the next 3 years but don't win a title that doesn't mean it's a disaster and it's not even close to a bad trade let alone the worst in history. Can we stop with this all or nothing nonsense? The Nets didn't just trade away an NBA title in waiting. They traded away two good players and a bunch of late first rounders.
The nets already one of the worst trades ever about 5 years ago. This isn't even close.
Not premium. Filler. Every pick will be 24 or later. The swaps are bigger.
for years all I heard was you need to build a super team. Now that's out. Now the Nets represent everything that is wrong with the NBA and are doomed to fail because of too many stars. That. Is. Rich.
See you in the finals. Poor guys.
but I am not going to sit here and pretend that it wont give them a better chance to win a title by doing this... it will. the picks for the next 3-4 years should be entirely irrelevant. they lose levert but gain harden. Prince was playing awful. if they had dinwiddie nobody would notice levert gone either from the depth side. (and i like levert but calling a spade a spade he is quite inefficient). Allen and the last 2 picks they lose or swap on the back end will be how they are judged if they don't get a title.
the role players they have (plus a vet or 2 they add mid year i am sure) given them more then enough depth- and they will space out harden and kyrie to have ball dominant times of the floor alone (if kyrie is playing!).
Theres risk in everything but this trade was something they had to do. They are the clear favorites in the East now for the next few years. A remarkable turnaround for this franchise. Nets fans should be thrilled and excited. I would be ecstatic to have this roster on the Knicks.
Love to see the Nets beat the Knicks to players.
Yeah, Knicks were in it till the end....
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He's going to be okay now playing behind KD and now Harden?
Maybe? Gotta think age plays a factor here - Irving clearly though he could do it all on his own back then. He must realize now that isn’t the case (you’d think, haha). I also don’t think the shadow cast by Harden/Durant is as big either.
He is going to go full revolt now ...it is going to be hilarious
Dolan has taken NY Knick fans for granted for many years. I am going into my 26th year of Knick season tickets, and I have never got so much as a thank you for your patronage.
Also looks like the Knicks are a good 2-3 years from seriously competing and the recent games for their young guys (last night was better) has not been stellar except for Mitch and maybe Knox.
Completely agree with most of this. I think the current Kyrie fiasco forced them to pull the trigger on this trade. Wouldn't be shocked if KD told them to do it, immediately.
Any chance the Nets can move Kyrie before the AS break?