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Aikman on Doug P: QB a major variable in firing

mattlawson : 1/13/2021 7:00 pm
Looks like Doug wanted hurts, the owner wanted wentz. Among other things but I think it’s really interesting that the owner comes right out and says “I want an elite offense.” It’s really refreshing to see those kinds of tangible qualities put right out in the press even though he tried to muddy the water by saying the quarterback was just one of the variables. It’s a major variable and we all know how bad the contract is - But the owners emphasis on having an elite offense and terminating the contract of the only coach to ever deliver a Super Bowl is pretty amazing due to that need
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I enjoyed that read  
DavidinBMNY : 1/13/2021 7:06 pm : link
Is that wrong?
Lurie wasn't completely wrong  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2021 7:10 pm : link
The offense was anemic and Wentz's play regressed greatly. That doesn't add up to a promotion for Press Taylor.
here's hoping  
Giantsfan79 : 1/13/2021 7:12 pm : link
the Eagles locker room likes Hurts over Wentz
Doug wanted Hurts?  
ZogZerg : 1/13/2021 7:17 pm : link
Then why did he bench him?
He's a moron.
Hmmm...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2021 7:22 pm : link
So did Perderson keep playing Wentz this year because Lurie insisted?

And if Pederson had his druthers Hurts would have played earlier?
I have reached my article limit  
Burtman : 1/13/2021 7:31 pm : link
with the paper. can someone sum it up?
Hard to know how much of Wentz  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/13/2021 7:40 pm : link
Success was either DeFilippo or Reich or Pederson

Seems like Wentz play really fell off after it was just Pederson there.
RE: I have reached my article limit  
Giantsfan79 : 1/13/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15121684 Burtman said:
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with the paper. can someone sum it up?


Peterson wanted Hurts over Wentz. Peterson wanted to promote his QB coach to o-coordinator and the owner rejected that because he thought the QB coach should be fired for Wentz's crappy play not promoted.
RE: here's hoping  
FStubbs : 1/13/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15121665 Giantsfan79 said:
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the Eagles locker room likes Hurts over Wentz


I remember a bunch of them tweeted in support of Wentz when he was benched.

I think they kind of have to trade Hurts now.
It is easier to fire the coach  
US1 Giants : 1/13/2021 9:38 pm : link
than to get rid of that contract. The relationship between coach and QB was broken.
RE: Doug wanted Hurts?  
JohnB : 1/13/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15121673 ZogZerg said:
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Then why did he bench him?
He's a moron.


+1

He benched Hurts as he was trying to rally his team. His actions speaks volumes
RE: RE: Doug wanted Hurts?  
bw in dc : 1/13/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15121833 JohnB said:
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In comment 15121673 ZogZerg said:


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Then why did he bench him?
He's a moron.



+1

He benched Hurts as he was trying to rally his team. His actions speaks volumes


Maybe Pederson wanted to go with Hurts sooner but Lurie insisted on sticking with Wentz...
Hurts  
Toth029 : 1/13/2021 10:16 pm : link
Wasnt that good either. Wentz probably had a concussion after being smacked in Week 1 by WFT
RE: Doug wanted Hurts?  
HomerJones45 : 1/13/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15121673 ZogZerg said:
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Then why did he bench him?
He's a moron.
because he sucked. 7-20 72 yards and 34 yards rushing in 3 quarters. If Jones put up those numbers in a game, BBI would all be yelling for McCoy.

Doug gambled on Hurts and had Wentz inactive. If you are going to do that, it had better pay off. It didn’t. Doug goes.
Mentioned this earlier that tanking had nothing to do  
LBH15 : 1/13/2021 10:40 pm : link
with firing. This was about what DP was trying to figure out what to do going forward at QB and not giving his owners enough confidence that he was right.
RE: Hurts  
chopperhatch : 1/13/2021 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15121855 Toth029 said:
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Wasnt that good either. Wentz probably had a concussion after being smacked in Week 1 by WFT


Hurts DID miss that throw in the end zone when they went for it instead of kicking the FG. #80 was WIDE OPEN and Hurts missed him by 3 feet.

Gotta wonder if this was legit a pissing contest btwn Wentz and Pederson. DP yanked Wentz, then when Hurts didnt pan out, Double Penetration decided to Hindenburg the whole fucking thing.
Hurts is tough to trade.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/13/2021 10:57 pm : link
Did ok in limited action but production fell off as soon as there was film on him. I think it's hard to project him. Could be a stud, could be a dud.

His best role in the short term might be as a Taysom Hill type — a change-of-pace hybrid runner/passer playing behind a pocket passer. (Tampa Bay, maybe?)
You can’t have that much money invested  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/14/2021 7:50 am : link
On the salary cap in a QB and have the coach walk away from him. Not unless you have exhausted all options.
another idiot owner. a fool and his money  
Victor in CT : 1/14/2021 8:00 am : link
"I want an elite offense". bahahahaha

How about "I want a championship team"? Lots of elite offense never won shit.
too many chefs  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2021 9:21 am : link
in the kitchen right now in Philly. Good thing for us.
RE: too many chefs  
Victor in CT : 1/14/2021 9:34 am : link
In comment 15121954 ryanmkeane said:
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in the kitchen right now in Philly. Good thing for us.


yes.
RE: another idiot owner. a fool and his money  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15121916 Victor in CT said:
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"I want an elite offense". bahahahaha

How about "I want a championship team"? Lots of elite offense never won shit.


That's dead on. But knowing the way other teams are viewed, it will be spun into a positive.

"Look at Philly! They know what they need to succeed in the NFL, meanwhile the Giants have the 31st offense in perpetuity!"
RE: here's hoping  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15121665 Giantsfan79 said:
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the Eagles locker room likes Hurts over Wentz

It's no secret that Wentz wasn't popular in the locker room. Most of his teammates preferred that the Eagles start Foles over Wentz even immediately after Wentz's MVP caliber season. His reaction to being benched for Hurts proves what a turd he is.
I think the Eagles made the right move for them  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2021 10:04 am : link
They aren't trading Wentz due to his massive contract. Next season is going to be rough for them due to their cap situation anyway so they might as well give Wentz one more year and pray that he turns his career around. If not they can always release him in a year when the cap hit is much less.
RE: You can’t have that much money invested  
HomerJones45 : 1/14/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15121913 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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On the salary cap in a QB and have the coach walk away from him. Not unless you have exhausted all options.
If you are going to sideline your employer's major asset, your choice had better be gangbusters. In DP's case, it wasn't. He goes. This should not be such a mystery to Giant fans when McAdoo did the exact same thing with the exact same result.

Those of you who are employees, sideline your company's most expensive asset in favor of your idea of a better replacement. Let us know how management feels if the replacement does the same or worse.

RE: another idiot owner. a fool and his money  
HomerJones45 : 1/14/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15121916 Victor in CT said:
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"I want an elite offense". bahahahaha

How about "I want a championship team"? Lots of elite offense never won shit.
So you are saying having an elite offense and a championship team are mutually exclusive or that in the modern NFL having an elite offense is a handicap?

Here are the top 12 scoring teams in the NFL this year: Packers, Titans, Bills, Bucs, Saints, Chiefs, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Browns.

Look familiar? Only team there that didn't make the playoffs was the Vikings. Only the Rams at 19 made the playoffs without being a to 12 offense.

On defense, the Bills, KC, Cleveland, Seahawks and Titans all allowed more yards than us and made the playoffs. The Colts, Chiefs, Packers, Seahawks, Bills and Titans all allowed more points than us and made the playoffs.
Just like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 10:55 am : link
I said above. Not surprising in the least.
RE: Just like..  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15122169 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I said above. Not surprising in the least.


It’s not even accurate.

5 of top 10 yards per play teams offensively and 4 teams of top 10 defensively are in playoffs at this juncture. There isn’t some massive imbalance here. Shit if Rams had a QB we’d be talking about them with Bills, Chiefs, and Chiefs on the back of their awesome defense.
RE: RE: another idiot owner. a fool and his money  
Victor in CT : 1/14/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15122163 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15121916 Victor in CT said:


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"I want an elite offense". bahahahaha

How about "I want a championship team"? Lots of elite offense never won shit.

So you are saying having an elite offense and a championship team are mutually exclusive or that in the modern NFL having an elite offense is a handicap?

Here are the top 12 scoring teams in the NFL this year: Packers, Titans, Bills, Bucs, Saints, Chiefs, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Browns.

Look familiar? Only team there that didn't make the playoffs was the Vikings. Only the Rams at 19 made the playoffs without being a to 12 offense.

On defense, the Bills, KC, Cleveland, Seahawks and Titans all allowed more yards than us and made the playoffs. The Colts, Chiefs, Packers, Seahawks, Bills and Titans all allowed more points than us and made the playoffs.


neither. but an elite offense ALONE isn't enough. You need to have at least an average to avg+ defense and special teams to go along with it.
Wentz  
BradberryGlue : 1/14/2021 12:01 pm : link
I'd choose Wentz over Pedersen and Hurts as well.

Wentz had a terrible year, but it started with a game where Philly could not block the Redskins once for a 60 minute period. Wentz never looked right after that game.

The Dallas and Philly Olines were totally dismantled by injury this season. I think Wentz will get back to being a player.
I had to come to a giants board...  
Chris in Philly : 1/14/2021 1:09 pm : link
to find someone that liked anything Lurie had to say. He is being raked over the coals for that idiotic and rambling press conference. Some of you guys must love Jerry Jones. He doesn’t win shit, but boy does he give good quotes to the press!
RE: RE: RE: another idiot owner. a fool and his money  
lax counsel : 1/14/2021 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15122242 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 15122163 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 15121916 Victor in CT said:


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"I want an elite offense". bahahahaha

How about "I want a championship team"? Lots of elite offense never won shit.

So you are saying having an elite offense and a championship team are mutually exclusive or that in the modern NFL having an elite offense is a handicap?

Here are the top 12 scoring teams in the NFL this year: Packers, Titans, Bills, Bucs, Saints, Chiefs, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Browns.

Look familiar? Only team there that didn't make the playoffs was the Vikings. Only the Rams at 19 made the playoffs without being a to 12 offense.

On defense, the Bills, KC, Cleveland, Seahawks and Titans all allowed more yards than us and made the playoffs. The Colts, Chiefs, Packers, Seahawks, Bills and Titans all allowed more points than us and made the playoffs.



neither. but an elite offense ALONE isn't enough. You need to have at least an average to avg+ defense and special teams to go along with it.


Very true. But, it almost goes hand in hand that you need a top 10 offense in today's NFL to win a championship. Looking at most of the past 10 SB championships, will show this trend.
RE: I had to come to a giants board...  
mattlawson : 1/14/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15122348 Chris in Philly said:
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to find someone that liked anything Lurie had to say. He is being raked over the coals for that idiotic and rambling press conference. Some of you guys must love Jerry Jones. He doesn’t win shit, but boy does he give good quotes to the press!


I think you're building a cute little straw man there chris
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