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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:06 am
-Mets interested in Albert Almora. He's a horrid offensive player. Think Juan Lagares. The Cubs non-tendered him despite a projected... 1.5 million award. 5th OF/minor league deal? Sure. Otherwise, nothing interesting about him.

-Kluber was 88-90, teams apparently came away intrigued. Cishek and Swarzak also threw.

-Martino says there is speculation Tanaka is headed back to Japan despite his denials

-Phillies met with Realmuto
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:46 am : link
was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.
Wow  
allstarjim : 1/14/2021 12:50 pm : link
Thanks for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Grateful to Dan for giving me some baseball talk to read, even if it's a little thin on the headlines. Unfortunately, things are going the wrong direction. I'm in bed, the headaches have started. Overall, it"s thus far been a "manageable" sick, but just a little discouraged that I seem to be going in the wrong direction. But spirits are mostly positive. Thanks again for the well wishes.

On the Mets talk, I really hope they work the extension with Lindor. As for Springer, I've wanted him from the start, but a little concerned that Porter won't be able to extend Conforto or Thor.

This team has a lot of young talent, I'd love to see most of them stay. They are right in wanting to rebuild the farm, wondering if they are going to be doing any of that, even something on a small scale, in terms of trade to do that.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 1:41 pm : link
“Heavily” involved in the Hand market per Heyman, also have spoken to Wilson. I can’t imagine they give in to Hand and go 3 years. Ideally one with an option given his downward trend.
Heyman  
ZGiants98 : 1/14/2021 1:53 pm : link
Basically saying there’s a “Good Chance Mets Land Springer and Extend Lindor”
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Mike in NY : 1/14/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:
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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.


Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.
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ZGiants98 : 1/14/2021 1:56 pm : link
on Heyman of MLB Network was on WFAN on Thursday afternoon, talking about the recent rumors in Major League Baseball, and the Mets are still hogging the airwaves.

Heyman says there’s a “good chance” that the Mets sign center fielder George Springer and “would be surprised if the Mets didn’t sign him (Francisco Lindor)” to a long-term deal.

Mets’ president Sandy Alderson has said multiple times in recent interviews that the Mets have only two true outfielders and that they would like it to be a right-handed hitter.

Springer is reportedly asking for a contract in the vicinity of $175 million, while the Mets and Blue Jays have offers on the table that break $100 million according to Heyman.
Springer would be a huge stabilizing addition for the OF  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:10 pm : link
Nimmo has always had trouble staying healthy and has 2 years left on his current deal.

They've said they want to extend Conforto but he is only under contract for 1 more year.

And obviously they have no true CF'er at the big leagues or on the way in the minors (PCA is years away).

Add Springer for 5 years and you have a fixture that allows you the flexibility to do whatever you want. He will upgrade CF defensively in the short term and you can negotiate extensions with both (or neither) of Nimmo/Conforto with the flexibility to not need to resign both.

Springer, Lindor, McNeil hitting in some combination at the top of the order is as good as the LAD (depending on who replaces Turner) and both are probably head and shoulders above whoever has the 3rd best 1-3. I'd probably say Atlanta is next since Acuna/Freeman is great even if they lose Ozuna.
I don't know why but for some reason Springer feels more important  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:15 pm : link
now after the Lindor addition than prior. That might just be me, but presumably now Arenado is almost definitely off the table, and there's some clarity in the starting rotation with Carrasco, CF is the obvious area to upgrade.

I can see some logical backup plans if the price goes too high (maybe sign a higher end IF'er at 2b or 3b like Wong, or trade for Cain) but those would be 1 or 2 year stop gap type moves. Springer is a "sustainable success" move.
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Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15122329 allstarjim said:
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Thanks for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Grateful to Dan for giving me some baseball talk to read, even if it's a little thin on the headlines. Unfortunately, things are going the wrong direction. I'm in bed, the headaches have started. Overall, it"s thus far been a "manageable" sick, but just a little discouraged that I seem to be going in the wrong direction. But spirits are mostly positive. Thanks again for the well wishes.


Hang in there Jim - my brother and several of his co-workers got it about 7-10 days ago, they all hit the signature symptoms to varying degrees and all are about through it now. You had the toughness to maintain Met fandom during the Wilpon years anything else is a cakewalk.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:19 pm : link
Friendly with Jon Heyman but he spoke of Lindor asking Cleveland for 300 million like this was new information. That was known. He asked for 300, they offered closer to 200
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15122417 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:


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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.



Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.


Ginn has been lumped in with Allan but I don’t think they are particularly close. Matt Eddy said he had people from the alternate sites saying Allan has “legit” number 2 upside whereas Ginn is not within the Mets top “mentioned” talents from other teams and is viewed as a potential 4 or setup man type. That’s not hating but every team has a Ginn or 4. Allan is a dude.
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Mike in NY : 1/14/2021 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15122463 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:


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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.



Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.



Ginn has been lumped in with Allan but I don’t think they are particularly close. Matt Eddy said he had people from the alternate sites saying Allan has “legit” number 2 upside whereas Ginn is not within the Mets top “mentioned” talents from other teams and is viewed as a potential 4 or setup man type. That’s not hating but every team has a Ginn or 4. Allan is a dude.


They are lumped together because they were both the "big ticket" items that caused us to punt the rest of the draft. My personal opinion was, as I said, that it was worth it when you can get someone like Matt Allan, but I am not sure with Ginn versus someone like Clayton Beeter or Tink Hence. Both of whom likely would have signed for slot money based on what they got to sign.
Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:38 pm : link
The #Mets sign 1B/OF/DH Jose Martinez to a split contract paying him $1 million with $500,000 in potential incentives if he's on their big-league team. He played for the #Rays and #Cubs last year after beginning his career with the #STLCards.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:40 pm : link
Jose Martinez was worth 4.0 fWAR 2017+2018. Horrendous OF (more of a DH) but solid on a split deal
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Metnut : 1/14/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15122491 DanMetroMan said:
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Jose Martinez was worth 4.0 fWAR 2017+2018. Horrendous OF (more of a DH) but solid on a split deal


Love the signing. Great gamble if there’s a DH. Could be PH depth too. If Alonso or Smith went down, and there’s a DH, he could really fill in for us and give us some pop.

Nice sneaky move to add a bat. His fielding is Jay Bruce style bad though like you said.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:47 pm : link
prior to 2019 he looked like a real find by the Cardinals. Was still a passable MLB hitter (101 wRC+ in 2019) he IS turning 33 so it's beyond reasonable he's "done" but at the cost no-brainer.
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KDavies : 1/14/2021 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15122502 Metnut said:
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Jose Martinez was worth 4.0 fWAR 2017+2018. Horrendous OF (more of a DH) but solid on a split deal



Love the signing. Great gamble if there’s a DH. Could be PH depth too. If Alonso or Smith went down, and there’s a DH, he could really fill in for us and give us some pop.

Nice sneaky move to add a bat. His fielding is Jay Bruce style bad though like you said.


Agreed. Nice depth move.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:50 pm : link
They have made 0 moves that I disagree with so far. I didn't love 4 years for McCann but given the AAV and dearth of C's it made sense. May, Lindor, McCann, Carrasco, Porter etc.

Martinez is -24 DRS career in the OF, -27 OAA, so he's an OF in name only. DH/1b, still nice at the price.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:52 pm : link

Mark Feinsand
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Martinez will earn $225K if he's in the minors, per source.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:55 pm : link
Jose Martinez has been with... the White Sox, Orioles, Braves, Royals, Cardinals, Cubs, and now Mets. 33 in July, he's been in pro ball since he was 17 years old #Mets
wonder if  
Rory : 1/14/2021 3:13 pm : link
Sandy has some inside info on DH in NL.
According to Cards fans  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2021 3:22 pm : link
Jose Martinez is a great clubhouse guy.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15122552 Rory said:
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Sandy has some inside info on DH in NL.


I think it's just an example of Cohen being able to flex his muscles and throw 250,000 down the drain if need be. Split deal is why this makes sense. Pray his 2000 Yankees Glenallen Hill and not 33 and "done". Wasn't great in 2019 but still hit lefties.
hopefully this is it  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2021 3:27 pm : link
for clubhouse guys, if that's what he is, and we don't see Todd Frazier signed again because he's a good clubhouse guy.

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Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15122519 DanMetroMan said:
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They have made 0 moves that I disagree with so far. I didn't love 4 years for McCann but given the AAV and dearth of C's it made sense. May, Lindor, McCann, Carrasco, Porter etc.

Martinez is -24 DRS career in the OF, -27 OAA, so he's an OF in name only. DH/1b, still nice at the price.


Same. I'd have perhaps been more aggressive on Realmuto and then Carrasco as a standalone pickup, but difficult to say if that was possible (they acknowledged trying both of those things). Would have also called on and considered Arenado, but hard to argue with Lindor AND Carrasco instead.

McCann on 4 years seems worth the upside. If his defense is as strong as it was last year that will be a great deal.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 3:33 pm : link
Jose Martinez is one of the true characters of the modern game. He’s carefree and frolicsome, quirky and clever, enthusiastic and elastic. He’s sort of like a human version of those inflatable dancing tube men in front of car dealerships. We take for granted that he’s in our lives most summer nights — it’s as if Max Patkin, “the Clown Prince of Baseball,” actually could hit .280 in the bigs. And Martinez leads the league in happy.


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olney  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 3:36 pm : link
The bidding on Corey Kluber is moving quickly and will likely reach a conclusion by this weekend. The two-time Cy Young Award winner threw for scouts Wednesday, in a session that went well.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 4:45 pm : link
The Marlins (as usual) will be a pain in the ass in 2021. Sixto/Lopez/Alcantara/Hernandez/Rogers with Cabrera pretty close... huge Meyer fan, he's going to be nasty
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Metnut : 1/14/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15122664 DanMetroMan said:
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The Marlins (as usual) will be a pain in the ass in 2021. Sixto/Lopez/Alcantara/Hernandez/Rogers with Cabrera pretty close... huge Meyer fan, he's going to be nasty


Lets hope they don’t amend the schedule and give us all NL East games.
Archie Bradley nearing a deal  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:26 pm : link
Alden Gonzalez
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The reliever market, at least, might finally be gaining momentum in the wake of Liam Hendriks’ massive deal with the White Sox. Pedro Baez joined Houston yesterday, and Archie Bradley is closing in on a deal of his own, sources tell me and
@JeffPassan
. Team unknown at this point.

I know they've been expressing desire for a LHP but obviously Porter familiarity makes this something worth keeping an eye on.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:30 pm : link
like Theo is angling to become the next commish. Talk about a legend if that happens. Sox ring, Cubs ring, then becomes commish?
RE: Archie Bradley nearing a deal  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15122722 Eric on Li said:
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Alden Gonzalez
@Alden_Gonzalez
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The reliever market, at least, might finally be gaining momentum in the wake of Liam Hendriks’ massive deal with the White Sox. Pedro Baez joined Houston yesterday, and Archie Bradley is closing in on a deal of his own, sources tell me and
@JeffPassan
. Team unknown at this point.

I know they've been expressing desire for a LHP but obviously Porter familiarity makes this something worth keeping an eye on.


Don't think they have room for both Bradley and Hand.

Familia, Betances, Diaz, May, Brach, Barnes, Lugo, Castro all have guaranteed contracts. 2 more? I find it hard to believe. Gotta believe they add one more (likely hand) and then some non-guaranteed types unless they make a few trades.
yeah I thnk it would be 1 or the other  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:37 pm : link
Bradley for his career doesn't have strong L/R splits, might be reverse if anything, but if you take out his career as a starter and just focus on his career as a reliever he basically had 2 good years vs. lefties in 17/18 before last year sandwiched between 2 poor years 16/19 (.800+ ops against). Last year he was excellent vs. lefties but just 10 innings so pretty small sample.
Related but also  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:41 pm : link
unrelated looking at the 40 man they have a few guys they could dump pretty easily.


Garcia, Zamora, Tarpley (I like his stuff, just saying he could easily be dropped), Drew Smith.. Oswalt and Gsellman are probably safe "for now" but they also could go with no problem.
Bradley  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:42 pm : link
to the Phillies, I assume he'll close.
going back through Hands numbers I'd still prefer him by a good margin  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:45 pm : link
but Bradley would be an arguable choice. He is higher velocity. And I'd imagine will be cheaper.

And if they do deal Betances/Familia to save money maybe they could fit both of them?
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Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15122736 DanMetroMan said:
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unrelated looking at the 40 man they have a few guys they could dump pretty easily.


Garcia, Zamora, Tarpley (I like his stuff, just saying he could easily be dropped), Drew Smith.. Oswalt and Gsellman are probably safe "for now" but they also could go with no problem.


Matz too, but I doubt they'd do that before ST. His roster spot would likely only go to the person who beats him out.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15122744 Eric on Li said:
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unrelated looking at the 40 man they have a few guys they could dump pretty easily.


Garcia, Zamora, Tarpley (I like his stuff, just saying he could easily be dropped), Drew Smith.. Oswalt and Gsellman are probably safe "for now" but they also could go with no problem.



Matz too, but I doubt they'd do that before ST. His roster spot would likely only go to the person who beats him out.


I have to believe Matz is safer than the others I named. I'm not saying he makes the team but barring multiple SP's added I assume they risk the 833,000 to see what he has.
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Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15122746 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15122736 DanMetroMan said:


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unrelated looking at the 40 man they have a few guys they could dump pretty easily.


Garcia, Zamora, Tarpley (I like his stuff, just saying he could easily be dropped), Drew Smith.. Oswalt and Gsellman are probably safe "for now" but they also could go with no problem.



Matz too, but I doubt they'd do that before ST. His roster spot would likely only go to the person who beats him out.



I have to believe Matz is safer than the others I named. I'm not saying he makes the team but barring multiple SP's added I assume they risk the 833,000 to see what he has.


100% agree.
NL East  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:48 pm : link
should be fun

Marlins will be annoying, Phillies aren't as bad as people are saying, I'm not big on the Nats but I'm sure they will be fine/good. Braves are looking for yet another SP.
1 year 6m for Bradley  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 5:49 pm : link
wonder if we would have chose him over May had Porter been around earlier. Very similar so not second guessing or criticizing may, just curious.
I just moved across the street from Nationals park....  
Italianju : 1/14/2021 5:52 pm : link
hoping we get to the point where it safe to go to games so i can go to a bunch to root against them, haha.

NL East is going to be very tough.
Even  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:55 pm : link
the Phillies... people are laughing at them because of the owner.


Nola/Eflin/Wheeler is as good of a top 3 as any. Howard/Velasquez round out a very solid rotation on paper and then their lineup is solid throughout. Obviously, they need to keep Realmuto.
RE: I just moved across the street from Nationals park....  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15122756 Italianju said:
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hoping we get to the point where it safe to go to games so i can go to a bunch to root against them, haha.

NL East is going to be very tough.


Robles was supposed to be THE guy for them (I'm not jinxing the Mets, he can still be good) but then Soto went and went MVP-supernova stud. Luckily the Nats farm sucks.
I think they are gonna get Hand for 2 years  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 6:20 pm : link
I’d guess slightly lower aav than his original salary. There’s always downside just like the Betances deal, but I’d rather roll the dice on having control the 2nd year if he’s good. I’d rather risk the extra year if he’s bad than miss the extra year if he’s good.
Phillies have no depth  
CMicks3110 : 1/14/2021 6:54 pm : link
They are very top heavy. And there big bats are not that good. Harper, McCutchen, Segura, they don’t scare me. Their bullpen, even with Bradley, is still awful
RE: Phillies have no depth  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15122796 CMicks3110 said:
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They are very top heavy. And there big bats are not that good. Harper, McCutchen, Segura, they don’t scare me. Their bullpen, even with Bradley, is still awful


They have 3 above average SP and Howard should be very good as well (was rushed heavily). Their lineup is strong throughout
7 hitters league average or better by OPS+, 5 over 120. They aren’t some great team at all but they are very solid. Any team with 3 SP with a 3.19, 3.22 and 3.39 FIP is going to be decent.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 7:35 pm : link
Quick reminder.. the Mets bullpen finished 15th in fWAR, 16th in FIP. I like the May signing a lot but... the Mets 100% could use more help in their BP.

The Twins had 6 RP in 2020 with sub 3.50 FIPs. Nope. The Mets couldn't use more help the pen. The Dodgers had 7 RP's with 10 or more appearances with a sub 3.42 FIP and added Knebel career 3.31. The 2021 Mets have ONE RP who posted a sub 3.42 FIP in 2020 (Diaz).
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 7:40 pm : link
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@IamTrevorMay
on the possibility of the Mets signing George Springer:

“I am going to keep my fingers crossed...I can’t imagine what the buzz in the Mets’ world would be with the fans, I can’t even wrap my head around it.”
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 7:48 pm : link
I'm cool without the AJ Ramos experience again. Thanks. If we are bringing back ex-Met relievers gimme Ollie
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