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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:06 am
-Mets interested in Albert Almora. He's a horrid offensive player. Think Juan Lagares. The Cubs non-tendered him despite a projected... 1.5 million award. 5th OF/minor league deal? Sure. Otherwise, nothing interesting about him.

-Kluber was 88-90, teams apparently came away intrigued. Cishek and Swarzak also threw.

-Martino says there is speculation Tanaka is headed back to Japan despite his denials

-Phillies met with Realmuto
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:11 am : link
Jan. 14: ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that Kluber’s market could come together rather quickly with one throwing session for teams in the books. He’s not expected to require a second showcase to further demonstrate his health.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:13 am : link
If Kluber signs for a low base with big incentives I could see
@Mets
involved. I don't see them committing "good" money to Kluber before a Springer decision is made
I like them looking at Almora  
KDavies : 1/14/2021 9:24 am : link
he is a pretty good defensive CF if I recall. Would rather they sign someone like this, rather than trade minor league assets for a Jake Marisnick or a Billy Hamilton.

If there is no DH and we don't sign Springer, Nimmo may be in CF and you will need a late inning defensive replacement.
Ken Rosenthal said yesterday that he believes there will be  
debo_GIANTS : 1/14/2021 9:29 am : link
a Universal DH in 2021.

Saying this is all part of the negotiations for expanded playoffs.

Works for me, Mets need Dom at 1B.
RE: I like them looking at Almora  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15121957 KDavies said:
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he is a pretty good defensive CF if I recall. Would rather they sign someone like this, rather than trade minor league assets for a Jake Marisnick or a Billy Hamilton.

If there is no DH and we don't sign Springer, Nimmo may be in CF and you will need a late inning defensive replacement.


Almora would be okay as a bench player but 2017-2019 he was 203rd out of 234 players in wRC+ and then was so bad in 2020 he was demoted and then non-tendered despite a very low arb figure. He doesn't steal bases and isn't overly great vs. lefties despite being a RHH. No issue as a "glove" but despite being a former "top" prospect he's really never hit (even in the minors). Worth noting he stunk in 2018 with Davis as his HC so it's unlikely that reunion does anything either.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:37 am : link
I'd call the Pirates regarding Reynolds. 2020 was a complete disaster but +1 career in CF and in 2019 posted a 131 wRC+, 3.2 fWAR. He's no Springer but he's hit at every level
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:39 am : link
glove only bench player who doesn't even provide speed is something they likely can find on a minor league deal. He's been THAT bad offensively. He's essentially Juan Lagares.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:44 am : link
Per @dgoold both the Royals and Braves have reached out to Adam Wainright. He would be a solid addition to @Mets rotation
I'm so in favor of universal DH.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2021 9:45 am : link
Let's get this done.
crazy there is no final decision on DH  
jpkmets : 1/14/2021 9:46 am : link
in January. That's a huge wrench in the FA market. Really poorly produced.
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KDavies : 1/14/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15121966 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15121957 KDavies said:


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he is a pretty good defensive CF if I recall. Would rather they sign someone like this, rather than trade minor league assets for a Jake Marisnick or a Billy Hamilton.

If there is no DH and we don't sign Springer, Nimmo may be in CF and you will need a late inning defensive replacement.



Almora would be okay as a bench player but 2017-2019 he was 203rd out of 234 players in wRC+ and then was so bad in 2020 he was demoted and then non-tendered despite a very low arb figure. He doesn't steal bases and isn't overly great vs. lefties despite being a RHH. No issue as a "glove" but despite being a former "top" prospect he's really never hit (even in the minors). Worth noting he stunk in 2018 with Davis as his HC so it's unlikely that reunion does anything either.


Billy Hamilton was terrible as well, and they traded a prospect for him. I am just glad they aren't trading prospects for these guys.

Hopefully, they do have the DH. While I have always preferred NL ball, it is an inevitability IMO, and the Mets are built for the DH. Move Alonso to DH and Smith to 1B. They can switch every 3-4 games to keep Alonso fresh in the field and give Smith a break.

Smith is then out of the OF. Nimmo and Conforto in corners. Either sign Springer, or sign or make a trade for a guy like a Reynolds. Problem with Reynolds is he is cost controlled and had a very good rookie season. From Pittsburgh's perspective why do you trade him to the Mets? What would Pitt want for him that the Mets would be willing to give up?

I more like the salary dump ideas of a Lorenzo Cain, and would be find with the Familia and Betances proposal for him.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:52 am : link
it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol
Stark  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 9:53 am : link
has an interesting think piece up about his "idea" in which you would lose the DH once your SP was pulled. I don't have any strong feelings about it.
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pjcas18 : 1/14/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15122023 DanMetroMan said:
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it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol


well none of us would have made the Cano/Diaz trade, so we would have a) a better farm system and b) the major league team would be at worst no worse than BVW's major league team.

I also wouldn't have acquired Stroman though.

So, while the rotation would suffer a little I would still have Kelenic, SWR, Dunn, Kay, etc.

Bruce and Swarzak off tho books and no Cano money.

So I could have made different FA decisions.

the only move (outside the draft) I like from BVW was JDD but even then he's a bad fit on the Mets I'm just not remorseful about the prospects traded for JDD and I believe he is the best player in that trade.

I think almost all of us fans could have done better than BVW.
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KDavies : 1/14/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15122023 DanMetroMan said:
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it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol


You would have done better. I would have done better. Forgot about Broxton.
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KDavies : 1/14/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15122034 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15122023 DanMetroMan said:


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it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol



well none of us would have made the Cano/Diaz trade, so we would have a) a better farm system and b) the major league team would be at worst no worse than BVW's major league team.

I also wouldn't have acquired Stroman though.

So, while the rotation would suffer a little I would still have Kelenic, SWR, Dunn, Kay, etc.

Bruce and Swarzak off tho books and no Cano money.

So I could have made different FA decisions.

the only move (outside the draft) I like from BVW was JDD but even then he's a bad fit on the Mets I'm just not remorseful about the prospects traded for JDD and I believe he is the best player in that trade.

I think almost all of us fans could have done better than BVW.


In place of trading for Stroman, resign Wheeler.
If I was GM I would’ve punched Jeff Wilpon in the face  
Metnut : 1/14/2021 10:05 am : link
and been fired.

Adding a 5th OF defensive specialist for cheap is fine. Like you guys said, our new GM isn’t an idiot who is going to trade prospects to get one.

Think that the front office has a plan a (Springer), plan b, c, etc. and they are going to wait out the market. Sadly, it could be a month, if not more, until things settle.
Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 10:09 am : link
is a lesson BVW never learned.

imo his biggest unforced errors were his handling of the catcher position and the Stroman trade. The Cano trade was obviously also brutal but pressurized from the Wilponzis financial situation.

At catcher, Grandal was a free agent and Realmuto was available by trade. BVW supposedly was highly interested with both. Further, his prime client should have made him completely aware of the need for a defensive presence at the position. And what does he do? He spends $10m+ per year on Ramos when Grandal ended up settling for a 1 year deal.

And the Stroman trade was a joke. That was desperation because they were letting Wheeler walk but also an unconscionable overpay. 2 top 10 prospects for a guy with 1.5 years remaining? And the .5 was unlikely to be a playoff run anyway. Crazy.

At least there was a snowball's chance in hell Diaz was an elite young RP who could rise up to the moment like K-Rod. If he had been they probably would have made the postseason each of the last 2 years.
Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 10:12 am : link
Cost them

Wahl, Hill, Valerio

Wahl is 29 next season and obviously not particularly good

Hill was flipped for Omar Narvaez aka a borderline starting MLB C. Hill would pretty easily be one of the Mets top SP prospects (I'm not suggesting he's great, it's a thin system but he's a legit 3/4 SP prospect). Valerio is a career .314 hitter and just turned 20

Marisnick cost them Blake Taylor and Kenedy Corona. Taylor isn't some big time RP but he's an MLB caliber arm who made playoff appearances for the 2020 Astros. He'd pretty easily be part of the 2021 Mets BP. Corona was one of the more talented IFA's in the system.

And Hamilton cost them Humphreys a live arm who had TJ but again would be one of the better SP prospects in a thin system.

That's 5 prospects for defensive backup caliber players. 5 pieces you could have used in other moves if not the big club.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 10:28 am : link

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Top Cuban OF Pedro Leon is expected to sign soon with the Astros for $4M. Tomorrow is the first day for international signings. Leon is repped by Wasserman.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 10:33 am : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Dominican SS prospect Armando Cruz is expected to sign soon with the Nats for about $4M. Defensive whiz.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 10:45 am : link

Michael Mayer
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IFA signing begins Jan.15, Mets not slated to have 7-figure sign

OF Johairo Cuevas
OF Gustavo Marquez
RHP Elian Nuñez,
RHP Enderson Arevalo
SS Diego Mosquera
SS Samual Camacaro
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Lennerd Ramos
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
SS Isaac Lechuga
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Named Later : 1/14/2021 10:47 am : link
Guys, we have to stop re-hashing those BVW moves. I get physically ill when I have to read them.....I'm having trouble keeping breakfast down -- HA !!

I noticed that MLB had Nimmo as their top 5 CF. Upon further discussion, they said it was his .430 OBP that placed im that high. Imagine where he'd place as a LF !!
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:13 am : link
forget this yesterday but trading IFA money was barred for this IFA signing period so if you didn't spend it, you lost the ability to spend it.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:14 am : link
In comment 15122151 Named Later said:
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Guys, we have to stop re-hashing those BVW moves. I get physically ill when I have to read them.....I'm having trouble keeping breakfast down -- HA !!

I noticed that MLB had Nimmo as their top 5 CF. Upon further discussion, they said it was his .430 OBP that placed im that high. Imagine where he'd place as a LF !!


Was just having this discussion. There are 3 superstar LF's so Nimmo likely would have still ranked around 5th among LF (which is suddenly pretty weak around the league).
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Earl the goat : 1/14/2021 11:19 am : link
In comment 15122023 DanMetroMan said:
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it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol



I agree Dan but I think he did draft well in his two drafts
But loses all credibility in trading Kelenic
That will turn out to be disastrous
Dan metro  
Payasdaddy : 1/14/2021 11:20 am : link
I have no doubt u would be better GM than Brodie
Kelenic included for cano contract
Think u would hang up

Where do you think Allen, Alvarez,ginn and Mauricio start and finish in the minors
Any sniff double AA ( Maybe ginn since he was college pitcher, but com8ng off ucl)
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15122200 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 15122023 DanMetroMan said:


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it's nice to know we don't have a moron GM who trades 5 prospects for Broxton/Marisnick/Hamilton. The guy was a complete disaster. I truly believe I could have done a better job than him lol




I agree Dan but I think he did draft well in his two drafts
But loses all credibility in trading Kelenic
That will turn out to be disastrous


If you listen to the fantastic interview Marc Tramuta did with Keith Law (Brodie was still here at the time) it's clear Tramuta/Tanous ran the draft, Brodie merely okayed the spending (aka okayed punting picks in order to sign Allan). Not knocking Brodie more than I already have but it's not as if he was scouting these guys or even suggesting them.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:32 am : link
In comment 15122202 Payasdaddy said:
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I have no doubt u would be better GM than Brodie
Kelenic included for cano contract
Think u would hang up

Where do you think Allen, Alvarez,ginn and Mauricio start and finish in the minors
Any sniff double AA ( Maybe ginn since he was college pitcher, but com8ng off ucl)


It's a cop-out from me but given the lost 2020 it's extremely hard to say other than none of them will open the season above A-ball. Reports on Allan and Alvarez at the alternate site were very good, Mauricio's not so good and Ginn's stuff apparently isn't/wasn't all the way back but they had confidence it would be. Just based on the odds Ginn is probably the most likely to be MLB ready "sooner" (age and college experience) but for context, BP had 1 single member of the Mets top 10 debuting before the 2023 season (Mauricio).
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:37 am : link
to clarify my above, Tramuta was not in any way taking away from Brodie or being insulting. He merely walked Law through the Mets process and essentially Brodie's role is/was "Brodie gave us the okay to...".
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Named Later : 1/14/2021 11:38 am : link
I don't know if you folks caught this o the Tim Lester thread last night....but 'allstarjim' said he is feeling COVID symptoms --

On a related note, I may have it. I have a cough, and my throat feels "prickly", I guess that's the only way to describe it. I have the trots, but no headache or fever. Symptoms started Monday. Today though, I've lost my sense of taste. I'm getting tested Friday AM but obviously Having to wait sucks.

Otherwise, I feel pretty good so far. Anyone else?


allstarjim is a solid contributor to these baseball discussions..........Be Well Jim.
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:38 am : link
and you know I'm not above ripping the Mets, there is a belief that the hype of SWR comes directly from the Blue Jays and that he's overrated. He'd still be a top 5-6 prospect in the Mets system but worth noting.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15122232 Named Later said:
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I don't know if you folks caught this o the Tim Lester thread last night....but 'allstarjim' said he is feeling COVID symptoms --

On a related note, I may have it. I have a cough, and my throat feels "prickly", I guess that's the only way to describe it. I have the trots, but no headache or fever. Symptoms started Monday. Today though, I've lost my sense of taste. I'm getting tested Friday AM but obviously Having to wait sucks.

Otherwise, I feel pretty good so far. Anyone else?

allstarjim is a solid contributor to these baseball discussions..........Be Well Jim.



Get well Jim. A friend of mine had lost his sense of taste and smell for...6 weeks and at the time doctors couldn't promise it would come back. He cried when he was cooking something and could smell it again.
hopefully he is just you know regular sick.....  
Italianju : 1/14/2021 11:41 am : link
my wife had a sore throat and tight chest the last couple days (sore throat actually gone today). She asked me jokingly yesterday that "people can still just get regular sick right". Here is hoping thats all it is for allstarjim (and my wife!)
Figured all would start in low A ball  
Payasdaddy : 1/14/2021 11:42 am : link
Was hoping one progressed to double AA
But I didn’t think likely either
Maybe ginn in 2nd half of 2022 on big league club, if he gets back his form sometime in 2021
Others probably start in double AA in 2022 if no hiccups
This draft strategy they have implemented...  
Italianju : 1/14/2021 11:43 am : link
has made a lot of sense, hopefully it works out and continues.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 11:46 am : link
was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.
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allstarjim : 1/14/2021 12:50 pm : link
Thanks for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Grateful to Dan for giving me some baseball talk to read, even if it's a little thin on the headlines. Unfortunately, things are going the wrong direction. I'm in bed, the headaches have started. Overall, it"s thus far been a "manageable" sick, but just a little discouraged that I seem to be going in the wrong direction. But spirits are mostly positive. Thanks again for the well wishes.

On the Mets talk, I really hope they work the extension with Lindor. As for Springer, I've wanted him from the start, but a little concerned that Porter won't be able to extend Conforto or Thor.

This team has a lot of young talent, I'd love to see most of them stay. They are right in wanting to rebuild the farm, wondering if they are going to be doing any of that, even something on a small scale, in terms of trade to do that.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 1:41 pm : link
“Heavily” involved in the Hand market per Heyman, also have spoken to Wilson. I can’t imagine they give in to Hand and go 3 years. Ideally one with an option given his downward trend.
Heyman  
ZGiants98 : 1/14/2021 1:53 pm : link
Basically saying there’s a “Good Chance Mets Land Springer and Extend Lindor”
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Mike in NY : 1/14/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:
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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.


Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.
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ZGiants98 : 1/14/2021 1:56 pm : link
on Heyman of MLB Network was on WFAN on Thursday afternoon, talking about the recent rumors in Major League Baseball, and the Mets are still hogging the airwaves.

Heyman says there’s a “good chance” that the Mets sign center fielder George Springer and “would be surprised if the Mets didn’t sign him (Francisco Lindor)” to a long-term deal.

Mets’ president Sandy Alderson has said multiple times in recent interviews that the Mets have only two true outfielders and that they would like it to be a right-handed hitter.

Springer is reportedly asking for a contract in the vicinity of $175 million, while the Mets and Blue Jays have offers on the table that break $100 million according to Heyman.
Springer would be a huge stabilizing addition for the OF  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:10 pm : link
Nimmo has always had trouble staying healthy and has 2 years left on his current deal.

They've said they want to extend Conforto but he is only under contract for 1 more year.

And obviously they have no true CF'er at the big leagues or on the way in the minors (PCA is years away).

Add Springer for 5 years and you have a fixture that allows you the flexibility to do whatever you want. He will upgrade CF defensively in the short term and you can negotiate extensions with both (or neither) of Nimmo/Conforto with the flexibility to not need to resign both.

Springer, Lindor, McNeil hitting in some combination at the top of the order is as good as the LAD (depending on who replaces Turner) and both are probably head and shoulders above whoever has the 3rd best 1-3. I'd probably say Atlanta is next since Acuna/Freeman is great even if they lose Ozuna.
I don't know why but for some reason Springer feels more important  
Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:15 pm : link
now after the Lindor addition than prior. That might just be me, but presumably now Arenado is almost definitely off the table, and there's some clarity in the starting rotation with Carrasco, CF is the obvious area to upgrade.

I can see some logical backup plans if the price goes too high (maybe sign a higher end IF'er at 2b or 3b like Wong, or trade for Cain) but those would be 1 or 2 year stop gap type moves. Springer is a "sustainable success" move.
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Eric on Li : 1/14/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15122329 allstarjim said:
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Thanks for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Grateful to Dan for giving me some baseball talk to read, even if it's a little thin on the headlines. Unfortunately, things are going the wrong direction. I'm in bed, the headaches have started. Overall, it"s thus far been a "manageable" sick, but just a little discouraged that I seem to be going in the wrong direction. But spirits are mostly positive. Thanks again for the well wishes.


Hang in there Jim - my brother and several of his co-workers got it about 7-10 days ago, they all hit the signature symptoms to varying degrees and all are about through it now. You had the toughness to maintain Met fandom during the Wilpon years anything else is a cakewalk.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:19 pm : link
Friendly with Jon Heyman but he spoke of Lindor asking Cleveland for 300 million like this was new information. That was known. He asked for 300, they offered closer to 200
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15122417 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:


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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.



Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.


Ginn has been lumped in with Allan but I don’t think they are particularly close. Matt Eddy said he had people from the alternate sites saying Allan has “legit” number 2 upside whereas Ginn is not within the Mets top “mentioned” talents from other teams and is viewed as a potential 4 or setup man type. That’s not hating but every team has a Ginn or 4. Allan is a dude.
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Mike in NY : 1/14/2021 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15122463 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15122247 DanMetroMan said:


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was randomly looking at 2019 draft, it's hard to argue against Allan/Baty/Wolf as your top 3 but beyond that.. woof. You have to nail the picks when you go "all in" or you really impact your farm. Hopefully, some of those guys have better second pro seasons.



Allan could make it worth it and if Lindor makes us forget trading Wolf then that is all the better. I question whether it was worth it for Ginn, who might have been BPA, but was not exceptionally better than other options who would not have required punting the rest of the draft. Allan, on the other hand, was very far ahead of the slot options.



Ginn has been lumped in with Allan but I don’t think they are particularly close. Matt Eddy said he had people from the alternate sites saying Allan has “legit” number 2 upside whereas Ginn is not within the Mets top “mentioned” talents from other teams and is viewed as a potential 4 or setup man type. That’s not hating but every team has a Ginn or 4. Allan is a dude.


They are lumped together because they were both the "big ticket" items that caused us to punt the rest of the draft. My personal opinion was, as I said, that it was worth it when you can get someone like Matt Allan, but I am not sure with Ginn versus someone like Clayton Beeter or Tink Hence. Both of whom likely would have signed for slot money based on what they got to sign.
Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:38 pm : link
The #Mets sign 1B/OF/DH Jose Martinez to a split contract paying him $1 million with $500,000 in potential incentives if he's on their big-league team. He played for the #Rays and #Cubs last year after beginning his career with the #STLCards.
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DanMetroMan : 1/14/2021 2:40 pm : link
Jose Martinez was worth 4.0 fWAR 2017+2018. Horrendous OF (more of a DH) but solid on a split deal
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