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NFT: Islanders @ NEW YORK RANGERS: Games 1 and 2

Anakim : 1/14/2021 9:17 am
First game is tonight at 7 PM and the second game is Saturday at 7 PM.


You know the storylines: Laf's debut. Miller's debut. Kakko's redemption tour. The beginning of Igor's reign. Jack Johnson's.....yeah.


First three lines:


Kreider | Zibanejad | Buchnevich
Panarin | Strome | Kakko
Lafreniere | Chytil | Gauthier



Top-4 defensive pairs:


Miller | Trouba
Lindgren | Fox




LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!!
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Just get the feeling  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2021 11:47 am : link
with Quinn he's keeping the seat warm for the next coach to elevate he Rangers into contenders.

Should have hired Laviolette, if for no other reason it would have pissed off a lot of Boston people having to root for the Rangers.
Since when..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 11:54 am : link
did opening night become "a big game"??

The Rangers lost. They looked really bad. They also have a lot of new pieces an young players. Was Quinn supposed to do something special to rise to the occasion of "the big game"??
RE: Just get the feeling  
Anakim : 1/15/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15123474 pjcas18 said:
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with Quinn he's keeping the seat warm for the next coach to elevate he Rangers into contenders.

Should have hired Laviolette, if for no other reason it would have pissed off a lot of Boston people having to root for the Rangers.


That's always been the case. We were rebuilding and he was brought in to develop the young guys. I don't think anyone could've realistically seen Quinn as a guy who would lead them to the Stanley Cup.
RE: Since when..  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15123479 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did opening night become "a big game"??

The Rangers lost. They looked really bad. They also have a lot of new pieces an young players. Was Quinn supposed to do something special to rise to the occasion of "the big game"??


Its not ao much it was a big game, or even losing to hated rival. They looked downright pathetic. Scored zero times. When the divisions were realigned the way they were, I figured we'd be fucked to make the playoffs. But I did not expect them to look as piss poor as they did.
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 12:36 pm : link
it is the first game of the season. The Jaguars won week 1 this year.

Every MLB season, Yankee fans want the coach fired after the first week of play.

I have no idea where this team will shake out, but acting like the season is over and that Quinn has no shot to get through to the players because they looked bad Game 1 isn't really very smart.

It isn't too surprising that a young team with a G getting his first play as the leader might look bad, especially without a crowd, a truncated training camp, etc.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 1/15/2021 12:57 pm : link
I think any coach/player deserves 10+ games to get the team going. Lundqvist was notorious for taking almost two months to get back to elite status.

And it's not like the Islanders suck.
Except Jack Johnson.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/15/2021 12:58 pm : link
He just sucks.
RE: But..  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15123532 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is the first game of the season. The Jaguars won week 1 this year.

Every MLB season, Yankee fans want the coach fired after the first week of play.

I have no idea where this team will shake out, but acting like the season is over and that Quinn has no shot to get through to the players because they looked bad Game 1 isn't really very smart.

It isn't too surprising that a young team with a G getting his first play as the leader might look bad, especially without a crowd, a truncated training camp, etc.


I think you might be reading a little too much into my reaction. However, dating back to the playoff bubble, the team has looked woefully unready to play. As far as Im concerned thats on the coach. I simply saw last night as continuation of the trend.
And the questionable Quinn decisions keep coming  
Anakim : 1/15/2021 5:04 pm : link
1) Gauthier was demoted to the fourth line and Di Giuseppe is being penciled in on the Laf-Chytil line. Never mind that Gauthier was one of the best players on the ice for us last night....

2) Georgiev will make the start tomorrow


3) DeAngelo may be a healthy scratch. He skated with the taxi squad, while Anthony Bitetto moved up to skate with Jack Johnson
And it's official  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 12:17 pm : link
Tony DeAngelo is a healthy scratch. Not Jack Johnson...Tony DeAngelo.
RE: And it's official  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15124206 Anakim said:
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Tony DeAngelo is a healthy scratch. Not Jack Johnson...Tony DeAngelo.


Has to be a scapegoat.
Lineup changes  
Mike in NY : 1/16/2021 2:46 pm : link
Rangers also swapping Laf and Kakko so the latter now gets to skate with Chytil.
Quinn sucks  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2021 5:51 pm : link
Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.
RE: Quinn sucks  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:
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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.


The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.
RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15124511 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:


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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.


Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?
RE: RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15124522 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15124511 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:


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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.



Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?


Jack Johnson was arguably the worst full-time defenseman last year
RE: RE: RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15124527 Anakim said:
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In comment 15124511 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:


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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.



Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?



Jack Johnson was arguably the worst full-time defenseman last year


Well Smith DID play wing much of last year right? Lol.

I mean, at least Smith can be physical when he needs to be.
I figured  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 6:33 pm : link
Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.

RE: I figured  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15124539 pjcas18 said:
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Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.


I get all of that. Lets just see some more jump tonight.
Sorokin is starting tonight.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:55 pm : link
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RE: I figured  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15124539 pjcas18 said:
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Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.


I'd have more patience if the Rangers weren't consistently awful at analyzing dmen.
RE: Sorokin is starting tonight.  
Mike in NY : 1/16/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15124562 BrettNYG10 said:
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Clutterbuck injured Varlamov in warm ups
Rangers first goal 2021  
Ira : 1/16/2021 7:12 pm : link
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Some sweet  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 8:36 pm : link
puck movement on that Kakko goal.

Chytil and Di Guisippe (sp?)
If this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 8:41 pm : link
thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!
RE: If this..  
MadPlaid : 1/16/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15124701 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!

Ha! Sounds good to me.
RE: If this..  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15124701 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!


lol
This is more like it!  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 8:48 pm : link
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Jack Johnson for Norris.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 8:51 pm : link
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This one is a lot more fun to watch so far  
mfsd : 1/16/2021 8:57 pm : link
Nice to see our talent break out
Sorokin hasn't even played that bad  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:30 pm : link
The Rangers have just been all over him
I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:32 pm : link
Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones
RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15124779 Anakim said:
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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones


LOL!
RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15124779 Anakim said:
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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones

Shesterkin is older than Georgiev, isn't he?
Just like I said yesterday,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/16/2021 9:39 pm : link
David Quinn is a wonderful coach and I knew he would get the men turned around tonight.
RE: RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15124787 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15124779 Anakim said:


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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones


Shesterkin is older than Georgiev, isn't he?


Hah yeah. Should've said, "go with the more experienced Russian"
Well that was much better  
NYerInMA : 1/16/2021 9:42 pm : link
LGR!
RE: Well that was much better  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15124792 NYerInMA said:
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LGR!


whoa - just checking in - WTF!?!?!
I can't remember last time I felt this good about a win  
BestFeature : 1/16/2021 9:52 pm : link
This was a shockingly different performance.
Isn't Georgiev Bulgarian?  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2021 9:56 pm : link
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RE: Isn't Georgiev Bulgarian?  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15124816 Greg from LI said:
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From his Wikipedia:

"Born in Bulgaria, Georgiev started playing hockey in Russia, where his family moved shortly after he was born"
Yup great game!  
Carl in CT : 1/16/2021 10:09 pm : link
Now I won’t have hear all the Icelander fans thinking that the Cup is there’s. Nice domination tonight fellas!!!
Hell of a game by NYR tonight  
Metnut : 1/16/2021 10:21 pm : link
Isles were not up to matching that. Feel bad for Sorokin to have such a rough first game.

This divison is going to be a war. It’s not fair to the teams in the division, but it’ll be entertaining fuck.
Learn something every day  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2021 11:28 pm : link
I just remember him being called the first Bulgarian in the NHL.
If you heard an Islander fan claiming the cup was theirs  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2021 8:54 am : link
You were talking to someone who doesn’t closely follow the team. It is very clear what this team is and isn’t. Neither Thursday’s game or last night’s game moved the needle on that.

These games have become lopsided wins in both directions lately. On the broadcast they mentioned something like 4 of the last 6 NYI/NYR games have been decided by four or more goals.

I think both fan bases saw each end of the spectrum for their team in the last two days. Honestly I feel about the Islanders right now exactly how I did on Wednesday.

I was disappointed Sorokin had to have that kind of debut. The first Buchnevich goal was soft, but making your highly anticipated NHL debut unplanned with 15 minutes notice is probably a little unsettling. Probably more unsettling when your sound defensive team makes uncharacteristic mistakes in front of you all night.
Last Night's Game  
Percy : 1/17/2021 12:10 pm : link
A spectacular performance after the total dud in the opener. Georgiev was a steadying presence throughout, Buchnevich having a great two-goal night, joined by Panarin also with two, and one by Kakko.
What a turnaround for the Rangers  
ShockNRoll : 1/17/2021 12:53 pm : link
I think this is about what to expect from the Rangers this season. There are going to be nights where they look absolutely brilliant, and there are going to be turds like the opener. Thursday night looked like a young Rangers team having played 3 games in 10 months with a lot of new pieces against an established Islanders team coming off a deep playoff run. Last night, players who looked bad Thursday appeared a lot more comfortable (namely K’Andre and Kakko). Lafreniere doesn’t have any points yet, but you can tell by watching him he’ll get going soon.

Smith and DiGiuseppe were also big factors for the Rangers last night, and while the Islanders didn’t have a ton of chances, Georgiev was steady back there. Zibanejad and Panarin looked like they played with another gear last night compared to Thursday. Trouba arguably played his best game as a Ranger and looked like the guy they traded for. It doesn’t get any easier for the Rangers though with NJ playing some very good hockey to start the year, and Pittsburgh is always dangerous. This is going to be a hell of a season. These all feel like playoff games!
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chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15124791 Anakim said:
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In comment 15124787 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15124779 Anakim said:


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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones


Shesterkin is older than Georgiev, isn't he?



Hah yeah. Should've said, "go with the more experienced Russian"


To be fair, I think Georgiev is from Belarus...just saying. 😉
RE: Learn something every day  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15125048 Greg from LI said:
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I just remember him being called the first Bulgarian in the NHL.


Sorry, yes Bulgarian is correct.
Just finished watching the game as I DVR'd it  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 1:49 pm : link
Few things:

- K'Andre is a dream skater. So smooth, covers a lot of ice

_ Lindgren, two games in, his face is already fucked up

- Buchnevich has really turned his game around from a few years ago

- Did anybI'llody notice Panarin joking around by mouthing off to Johnston (oh my God does he look like big bastard) as he skated away from that toss up on the boards? I thought it was pretty funny.
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