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NFT: Islanders @ NEW YORK RANGERS: Games 1 and 2

Anakim : 1/14/2021 9:17 am
First game is tonight at 7 PM and the second game is Saturday at 7 PM.


You know the storylines: Laf's debut. Miller's debut. Kakko's redemption tour. The beginning of Igor's reign. Jack Johnson's.....yeah.


First three lines:


Kreider | Zibanejad | Buchnevich
Panarin | Strome | Kakko
Lafreniere | Chytil | Gauthier



Top-4 defensive pairs:


Miller | Trouba
Lindgren | Fox




LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!!
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Not gloating at all  
Greg from LI : 1/14/2021 10:26 pm : link
It's absolutely true. Score could have easily been 7-0, or even worse.
It's not clear to me what Quinn brings to this team  
Go Terps : 1/14/2021 10:55 pm : link
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RE: It's not clear to me what Quinn brings to this team  
Del Shofner : 1/14/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15123033 Go Terps said:
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yeah - I didn't watch much of the game as the Rangers were sucking and I had other things to do, but they looked *completely* unprepared to play this game. Credit to the Isles for playing well, but even unforced the Rangers were making fundamental errors. Difficult to understand, frankly.
RE: RE: RE: Take a wild guess who was on the ice for 3 of 4 goals  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 12:24 am : link
In comment 15123004 Greg from LI said:
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Somehow we downgraded from Staal



Was Johnson too? I was talking about Brett Howden, who continues to take a regular shift for reasons that are mysterious to everyone but David Quinn


Im convinced that Howden has all of the Infinity Stones at this point but he and Quinn havent figured out that a hockey glove cannot double as the Infinity Gauntlet.

The are Rangers afterall...not Avengers.
To be serious,  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 12:29 am : link
This is the 2nd time Quinn has shown up with his team woefully unprepared for a big game. He sucks. He is an arrogant, New England Prep School (came from one myself....shuttup) asshole who thinks he is afforded talent and only has to wrangle personalities.

I dont know what the Rangers were doing out there, but it wasnt hockey. Can we shoot the fucking puck for fucks saje?! Looked really bad.
I thought these  
Pete in MD : 1/15/2021 8:48 am : link
rivalry games were supposed to be close?
RE: I thought these  
BrettNYG10 : 1/15/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15123147 Pete in MD said:
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rivalry games were supposed to be close?


It was less than a touchdown, what more do you want?
I checked in on the game a few times  
arniefez : 1/15/2021 9:47 am : link
and the Rangers looked like it was game 4 from last year's playoffs. I don't follow the NHL anymore but I'll always sports love the Rangers so I read about them here and a few other places and you guys certainly were correct about 27 Johnson. Everytime I looked at the TV he was on the ice with 77 and bad things were happening. I can't say I wasn't warned.
The good news  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2021 9:56 am : link
is this season it's ALL division games, so you play these same teams 9 or 10 times.

the bad news is they're all division games and you play those same teams 9 or 10 times.

I'm just glad we have hockey.
RE: I checked in on the game a few times  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/15/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15123276 arniefez said:
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and the Rangers looked like it was game 4 from last year's playoffs.


Exactly. The team looked completely unprepared to play a game that counted in the standings. Contrast that with the Isles who looked like they’re coached by a great one who had them practicing the past two weeks. I’m starting to long for the days when my main complaint would be AV’s addiction to Nick Holden. At least the rest of the operation wasn’t a mess.
RE: To be serious,  
Anakim : 1/15/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15123049 chopperhatch said:
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This is the 2nd time Quinn has shown up with his team woefully unprepared for a big game. He sucks. He is an arrogant, New England Prep School (came from one myself....shuttup) asshole who thinks he is afforded talent and only has to wrangle personalities.

I dont know what the Rangers were doing out there, but it wasnt hockey. Can we shoot the fucking puck for fucks saje?! Looked really bad.


I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Off the ice, Quinn comes off as extremely likable and easy to root for. I don't find him arrogant in the least. If you want arrogant, look at our two previous coaches (AV and Torts).
RE: RE: To be serious,  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 11:36 am : link
In comment 15123358 Anakim said:
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In comment 15123049 chopperhatch said:


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This is the 2nd time Quinn has shown up with his team woefully unprepared for a big game. He sucks. He is an arrogant, New England Prep School (came from one myself....shuttup) asshole who thinks he is afforded talent and only has to wrangle personalities.

I dont know what the Rangers were doing out there, but it wasnt hockey. Can we shoot the fucking puck for fucks saje?! Looked really bad.



I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Off the ice, Quinn comes off as extremely likable and easy to root for. I don't find him arrogant in the least. If you want arrogant, look at our two previous coaches (AV and Torts).


I guess its from pressers and he seems to sound like he has it all figured out. I dunno. Prob got a little carried away because I expected so much more from the team last night.
Just get the feeling  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2021 11:47 am : link
with Quinn he's keeping the seat warm for the next coach to elevate he Rangers into contenders.

Should have hired Laviolette, if for no other reason it would have pissed off a lot of Boston people having to root for the Rangers.
Since when..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 11:54 am : link
did opening night become "a big game"??

The Rangers lost. They looked really bad. They also have a lot of new pieces an young players. Was Quinn supposed to do something special to rise to the occasion of "the big game"??
RE: Just get the feeling  
Anakim : 1/15/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15123474 pjcas18 said:
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with Quinn he's keeping the seat warm for the next coach to elevate he Rangers into contenders.

Should have hired Laviolette, if for no other reason it would have pissed off a lot of Boston people having to root for the Rangers.


That's always been the case. We were rebuilding and he was brought in to develop the young guys. I don't think anyone could've realistically seen Quinn as a guy who would lead them to the Stanley Cup.
RE: Since when..  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15123479 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did opening night become "a big game"??

The Rangers lost. They looked really bad. They also have a lot of new pieces an young players. Was Quinn supposed to do something special to rise to the occasion of "the big game"??


Its not ao much it was a big game, or even losing to hated rival. They looked downright pathetic. Scored zero times. When the divisions were realigned the way they were, I figured we'd be fucked to make the playoffs. But I did not expect them to look as piss poor as they did.
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 12:36 pm : link
it is the first game of the season. The Jaguars won week 1 this year.

Every MLB season, Yankee fans want the coach fired after the first week of play.

I have no idea where this team will shake out, but acting like the season is over and that Quinn has no shot to get through to the players because they looked bad Game 1 isn't really very smart.

It isn't too surprising that a young team with a G getting his first play as the leader might look bad, especially without a crowd, a truncated training camp, etc.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 1/15/2021 12:57 pm : link
I think any coach/player deserves 10+ games to get the team going. Lundqvist was notorious for taking almost two months to get back to elite status.

And it's not like the Islanders suck.
Except Jack Johnson.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/15/2021 12:58 pm : link
He just sucks.
RE: But..  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15123532 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is the first game of the season. The Jaguars won week 1 this year.

Every MLB season, Yankee fans want the coach fired after the first week of play.

I have no idea where this team will shake out, but acting like the season is over and that Quinn has no shot to get through to the players because they looked bad Game 1 isn't really very smart.

It isn't too surprising that a young team with a G getting his first play as the leader might look bad, especially without a crowd, a truncated training camp, etc.


I think you might be reading a little too much into my reaction. However, dating back to the playoff bubble, the team has looked woefully unready to play. As far as Im concerned thats on the coach. I simply saw last night as continuation of the trend.
And the questionable Quinn decisions keep coming  
Anakim : 1/15/2021 5:04 pm : link
1) Gauthier was demoted to the fourth line and Di Giuseppe is being penciled in on the Laf-Chytil line. Never mind that Gauthier was one of the best players on the ice for us last night....

2) Georgiev will make the start tomorrow


3) DeAngelo may be a healthy scratch. He skated with the taxi squad, while Anthony Bitetto moved up to skate with Jack Johnson
And it's official  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 12:17 pm : link
Tony DeAngelo is a healthy scratch. Not Jack Johnson...Tony DeAngelo.
RE: And it's official  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15124206 Anakim said:
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Tony DeAngelo is a healthy scratch. Not Jack Johnson...Tony DeAngelo.


Has to be a scapegoat.
Lineup changes  
Mike in NY : 1/16/2021 2:46 pm : link
Rangers also swapping Laf and Kakko so the latter now gets to skate with Chytil.
Quinn sucks  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2021 5:51 pm : link
Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.
RE: Quinn sucks  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:
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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.


The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.
RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15124511 BrettNYG10 said:
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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.


Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?
RE: RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15124522 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15124490 Greg from LI said:


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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.



Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?


Jack Johnson was arguably the worst full-time defenseman last year
RE: RE: RE: RE: Quinn sucks  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15124527 Anakim said:
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Brett Howden has been pure shit since he first entered the lineup and Quinn never holds him responsible for anything, but in a game where Jack Johnson was one of the worst defensemen to ever suit up as a Ranger, he makes an example of DeAngelo. Absurd.



The people who said Johnson would just be a bottom-pairing, sparely used dman should feel pretty stupid.

The Rangers have been terrible analyzing NHL dmen the past decade. Extending Girardi and Staal as they were declining, letting Stralman go, signing Johnson, etc. It's a huge blind spot.



Serious question, is Jack Johnson even a better defenseman than Brendan Smith at this point?



Jack Johnson was arguably the worst full-time defenseman last year


Well Smith DID play wing much of last year right? Lol.

I mean, at least Smith can be physical when he needs to be.
I figured  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 6:33 pm : link
Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.

RE: I figured  
chopperhatch : 1/16/2021 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15124539 pjcas18 said:
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Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.


I get all of that. Lets just see some more jump tonight.
Sorokin is starting tonight.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:55 pm : link
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RE: I figured  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15124539 pjcas18 said:
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Johnson was signed to mentor players like Miller, Fox, even Trouba who is still needs to become a leader.

I expected Johnson would be bottom pair, maybe PK.

and it's been one game, so I'm not sure how solid each person is in their role.

His contract is low enough (basically league vet min) I'm not sure the consternation is warranted. yet.

Smith, even if better than Johnson (and that's a tallest midget contest), Smith's contract (and the trade) is/were terrible.


I'd have more patience if the Rangers weren't consistently awful at analyzing dmen.
RE: Sorokin is starting tonight.  
Mike in NY : 1/16/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15124562 BrettNYG10 said:
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Clutterbuck injured Varlamov in warm ups
Rangers first goal 2021  
Ira : 1/16/2021 7:12 pm : link
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Some sweet  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 8:36 pm : link
puck movement on that Kakko goal.

Chytil and Di Guisippe (sp?)
If this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 8:41 pm : link
thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!
RE: If this..  
MadPlaid : 1/16/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15124701 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!

Ha! Sounds good to me.
RE: If this..  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15124701 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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thread were truly balanced, we should see calls for Quinn to be Coach of the Year and proclamations of winning the Stanley Cup!


lol
This is more like it!  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 8:48 pm : link
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Jack Johnson for Norris.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2021 8:51 pm : link
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This one is a lot more fun to watch so far  
mfsd : 1/16/2021 8:57 pm : link
Nice to see our talent break out
Sorokin hasn't even played that bad  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:30 pm : link
The Rangers have just been all over him
I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:32 pm : link
Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones
RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15124779 Anakim said:
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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones


LOL!
RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15124779 Anakim said:
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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones

Shesterkin is older than Georgiev, isn't he?
Just like I said yesterday,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/16/2021 9:39 pm : link
David Quinn is a wonderful coach and I knew he would get the men turned around tonight.
RE: RE: I think the main takeaway from these past two games is  
Anakim : 1/16/2021 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15124787 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15124779 Anakim said:


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Go with the older Russian goalies instead of the younger ones


Shesterkin is older than Georgiev, isn't he?


Hah yeah. Should've said, "go with the more experienced Russian"
Well that was much better  
NYerInMA : 1/16/2021 9:42 pm : link
LGR!
RE: Well that was much better  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15124792 NYerInMA said:
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LGR!


whoa - just checking in - WTF!?!?!
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