Salary cap going from $198 million in 2020 to

and the league agreed not to drop it lower than 175 million.

their players got their full salaries in 2020 (including a paid opt out with no tenure penalty) and the NFL didn’t earn anywhere close to their normal income. This has been expected for almost a year, why the surprise?

to spread the COVID impact over a number of years. It could have been a lot worse.

So the short answer to your question, is the NFLPA already agreed to this as a part of the last CBA and the amendment made before the start of this season.

it was going to drop to about $175 mill because of the lack of revenue caused by no fans.

It does unduly reward the teams that always seem $10s of millions under the CAP (Jags, Browns, Colts etc)

In comment 15121979 Jay on the Island said:

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and the league agreed not to drop it lower than 175 million.

I'm assuming its all due to the Pandemic and lack of attendance at stadiums? I truly thought that the VAST Majority of NFL revenue came from areas other than their arenas, more precisely, television, apparel and other team branded sales. I figured 10 games a season wasn't a whole ton of money when compared to television rights.

not only isn't expected, it has been the talk on BBI and on a lot of shows breaking down the NFL for several months.

The only question left was if it would be the floor of $175M or if it would be just a little lower than it was this season.

I'm surprised it went all the way to the floor, but it is understandable.

about signing both LW and DT and the hard cap math. A number of posters don't want to live amongst the math ...

Players who are in contract talks just aren't going to get the amount of money that they have in years past. Every team has FAs like DT and LW.

Which NFL team can afford to sign a FA to a big contract?

Guys have been used to gettiing bigger contracts than the previous year, but teams literally can't fit bigger contracts into a smaller cap.

Will Leonard Williams or Dak Prescott balk when they get offers for less than they would've had last year?

In comment 15121991 JonC said:

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about signing both LW and DT and the hard cap math. A number of posters don't want to live amongst the math ...

Are you saying people are caught up in the Pi in the sky???

In comment 15121988 Dinger said:

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In comment 15121979 Jay on the Island said: Quote: and the league agreed not to drop it lower than 175 million. I'm assuming its all due to the Pandemic and lack of attendance at stadiums? I truly thought that the VAST Majority of NFL revenue came from areas other than their arenas, more precisely, television, apparel and other team branded sales. I figured 10 games a season wasn't a whole ton of money when compared to television rights.

Yes it's due to that. It could have been a lot worse but the league agreed to spread it out over several years rather than lower it dramatically in one year. This is actually far worse for teams like Philly who are 70 million over the cap. Don't panic this was expected. Also with the league adding another game to the regular season revenue's should slowly climb back up over the next few years.

In comment 15121988 Dinger said:

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In comment 15121979 Jay on the Island said: Quote: and the league agreed not to drop it lower than 175 million. I'm assuming its all due to the Pandemic and lack of attendance at stadiums? I truly thought that the VAST Majority of NFL revenue came from areas other than their arenas, more precisely, television, apparel and other team branded sales. I figured 10 games a season wasn't a whole ton of money when compared to television rights.

I mean a drop to 175M seems reasonable as its less than 15% drop.. you have to assume at least 15% of their revenue comes from ticket sales and stadium related sales..

backloaded and staggered contracts will be the trend I'd imagine.

In comment 15121993 FStubbs said:

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Guys have been used to gettiing bigger contracts than the previous year, but teams literally can't fit bigger contracts into a smaller cap. Will Leonard Williams or Dak Prescott balk when they get offers for less than they would've had last year?

This....I think you'll see a lot of veteran players asking about revenue and then subsequently pushing for fan attendance, among other things.

I guess I've had my head in.....the sand. It just makes the offseason that much more complicated and to me, irritating as I can see contract negotiations dragging.

Players will on sale other than the difference makers like Williams. It will be a fun off season.

What exactly is the penalty? I would think there will be a lot of teams who are going to be there and even in the past I don't recall hearing specific 'punishment' for teams over the cap. Is it a financial penalty ala the MLB with the luxury tax hit? Or do they take away draft picks?

They have a ton of cap space as does the Jets and Colts. Teams like the Eagles Steelers Saints are in trouble.

That contract is fully on the books for this year. If they sign them long term they can back load the contract.

stadium holds 70k fans and average ticket is $150, that is $10.5 mill per game just in ticket sales. Does not include concessions and parking income.

That is $80 mill per season on 8 home games(does not includes 2 pre-season games)

In comment 15122030 section125 said:

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stadium holds 70k fans and average ticket is $150, that is $10.5 mill per game just in ticket sales. Does not include concessions and parking income. That is $80 mill per season on 8 home games(does not includes 2 pre-season games)

But don't some stadiums revenue get paid to the state or local government? I'd think there is a big chunk of that gone no?

In comment 15122030 section125 said:

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stadium holds 70k fans and average ticket is $150, that is $10.5 mill per game just in ticket sales. Does not include concessions and parking income. That is $80 mill per season on 8 home games(does not includes 2 pre-season games)

But don't some stadiums revenue get paid to the state or local government? I'd think there is a big chunk of that gone no?

5 year 100 mill 50 mil guaranteed. up front bonus year 1 15 mil 2 mill a year. Cap hit year one 5 mil.

Since 175 was the floor this year, how much more is going to spill over into 2022? For example, if the real number was 165 that means 10 million will be taken off of next year's number. If it is worse than that this is going to take at least 2 years to just get back to normal. This isn't going to be about just finding a way to navigate through this year of the salary cap. Any good capologist is going to plan for this over at least the next 2 years if not 3 years.

everything that's happened, I'm not surprised the cap went all the way down to the $175 million floor. I agree it will now be impossible to resign Williams and Tomlinson. I also agree we're likely to see a lot of backloaded and staggered contracts.

(Williams might be the exception) likely made a mistake.

Williams will get his, but he would have gotten more if the cap didn't drop.

c'est la vie

likely meet or exceed $198M (Overthecap has $228), couldn't you work with players and agents to sign contracts of the expected total value, with lower cap numbers for 2021? Every team will be in the same boat, even those with lots of cap space. It looks like about 1/3 of the league will be over the cap in 2021.

In comment 15122059 AcidTest said:

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everything that's happened, I'm not surprised the cap went all the way down to the $175 million floor. I agree it will now be impossible to resign Williams and Tomlinson. I also agree we're likely to see a lot of backloaded and staggered contracts.

Why does this make it tougher to sign both? It's all relative. Other teams have to deal with the big bad wolf just like the Giants do.

This likely doesn't changes anything other than guys are going to get a little less.

Big names will still get big deals

But, you might see many more 1 yr prove it deals

Many players aren't going to make what they think

I know it was supposed to be going down, but I had not heard they had definitively settled on this number

This is from an article on Dec. 6, 2020 on Pro Football Talk regarding optimism in the league that the cap may not drop that much.

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The negotiations that allowed the 2020 season to proceed included a commitment that the 2021 salary cap will be no lower than $175 million per team. The upcoming negotiations (and it’s negotiated every year) regarding the 2021 salary cap could result in a number significantly higher than $175 million. Per a league source, the possibility that stadiums will be full for the 2021 season could prompt the league to not tie the hands of teams by dropping the salary cap by more than $23 million per team, from $198.2 million. Although the 2020 season will indeed result in lower revenue than usual, the potential of a return to something normal or close to it plus the coming TV deals may result in the league keeping the cap in the range of $195 million. Time will tell what the league chooses to do. Although a projected cap typically is shared with all owners in December, the final decision isn’t made until late February or early March, through negotiations with the NFL Players Association.

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In comment 15122088 EddieNYG said:

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This is from an article on Dec. 6, 2020 on Pro Football Talk regarding optimism in the league that the cap may not drop that much. Quote: The negotiations that allowed the 2020 season to proceed included a commitment that the 2021 salary cap will be no lower than $175 million per team. The upcoming negotiations (and it’s negotiated every year) regarding the 2021 salary cap could result in a number significantly higher than $175 million. Per a league source, the possibility that stadiums will be full for the 2021 season could prompt the league to not tie the hands of teams by dropping the salary cap by more than $23 million per team, from $198.2 million. Although the 2020 season will indeed result in lower revenue than usual, the potential of a return to something normal or close to it plus the coming TV deals may result in the league keeping the cap in the range of $195 million. Time will tell what the league chooses to do. Although a projected cap typically is shared with all owners in December, the final decision isn’t made until late February or early March, through negotiations with the NFL Players Association. Link - ( New Window )

Thanks.

players signing one year deals and revisiting FA the following. Good time to be shopping for short term veterans to fill gaps without a big commitment.

or an high priced player that can be cut.

In comment 15122109 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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players signing one year deals and revisiting FA the following. Good time to be shopping for short term veterans to fill gaps without a big commitment.

Yes, this will totally reset the free agent market. The pandemic did something that no management strategy or collective bargaining agreement could have done.

A lot of guys headed to free agency may re-sign with their teams with only slight increases. LW may be happy to take what he was getting under the franchise tag. And who is going to sign a QB for $40 million that ties up 25% of the cap?

I’m thinking Giants and others will have to terminate big contracts (Tate, Solder) to make any moves under the cap. Won’t the deferred hit impact FA contracts for years to come?

We will enter the offseason with about $7.5M in cap space. We can create more by releasing the following:

Golden Tate ($6.1M, $8.5M if after 6/1)
Kevin Zeitler ($12M)
Nate Solder ($6M, $10M if after 6/1)
David Mayo ($2.3M)
Evan Engram ($6M)
Levine Toilolo ($3M)
Cody Core ($2M)

Doing all of that would put us at about $42 under ($48.5M if Tate and Solder are post 6/1 designations).

Signing Peppers long term could also provide some relief.

The two most debated moves would probably be Zeitler and Engram. Personally, I would keep both of them with an eye on possibly trading one or both at the deadline depending on depth at the positions at the time.

Solder is also not as clear cut as it may appear. I think right now, he would be our starting RT. Even if Peart or a draft pick beats him out, are we going to find a swing tackle with his experience for less than $6M? Maybe, maybe not. Cam Fleming cost $3.5M.

A declining cap probably makes using the franchise tag untenable.

A tagged player gets paid the average of the top 5 at their position. Those top 5 players won't be seeing an income drop, so the tag price stays high while the overall pool of money to sign free agents (and thus, average salaries) declines.

This will make resigning LW more difficult because we lose the leverage we would have had with the tag.

Maybe we will end up recouping that 3rd round pick as a comp pick when someone else signs him?

if they did, BBI would implode.

Solder and Golden Tate as post June 1st cuts and cut Toilolo and Mayo... minus about 10ish mil for draft picks (6) and in season moves you are looking at 21ish million. If you extend Zeitler you can drop his number in half basically saving another 6 mil. With 21 to 27 mil we can easily sign LW and maybe bring Tomlinson back. Depends on how they structure the contracts

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A declining cap probably makes using the franchise tag untenable. A tagged player gets paid the average of the top 5 at their position. Those top 5 players won't be seeing an income drop, so the tag price stays high while the overall pool of money to sign free agents (and thus, average salaries) declines. This will make resigning LW more difficult because we lose the leverage we would have had with the tag. Maybe we will end up recouping that 3rd round pick as a comp pick when someone else signs him?

This is why we should let LW go, or at least test the market.

I expect that teams are going to be doing mass restructuring on existing contracts. And there may be more quality players than ever let go. So if we stay patient, and don't dive head first into the opening few weeks of the FA period, we could get some real bargains later on. And find a solution(s) to fill the LW void.

between Tomlinson and upgrades that are probably needed more at WR and CB. I think they'll go UFA at one of those positions, and Logan Ryan's already been invested in eating cap dollars ahead of a deal for LW. They've got Dexter to play the nose, Hill can play DE, and they can find more in the draft.

We can not replace LW anywhere in the draft.

To sign our guys and add a few guys but I don't see any 'Bradberry/Martinez' level signings. Maybe more guys get signed late like Logan Ryan did. I think we owe it to Tomlinson to let him test the market and hopefully someone pays him big time money but if not any chance he comes back home on a discount or a 1 year deal/5th year option type deal..? Maybe.

player salary page...

Who the hell is Kenny Wiggins and how does he cost 1.075 million dollars next year?

Dalvin is replaceable with a guy on the roster named BJ Hill and they can re- sign Austin Johnson for the year or 2 years. Several teams are usually under the cap and they are able to use that $ as rollover money. Logan Ryan last season nullified Giants ability to roll some $ over this upcoming season but not his fault obviously. Will be very interesting. Zeitler was the best OL and cutting him would be bad for Jones. Fleming was eh but bc of Solder he may have to be brought back and solder cut for $. Abrams will really earn his paycheck this season. They need a WR upgrade desperately. May be worth the possibility of extending Bradberry a year or 2 if they could lower this years cap hit.

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player salary page... Who the hell is Kenny Wiggins and how does he cost 1.075 million dollars next year?

Vet backup tackle they signed in November

and Engram as well. Not even certain on Solder, because there is a human element to how NYG conducts business, and RT is not settled. They could be pressed to create feasible cap space in the $25M ballpark, of which LW will eat a pile. If they sign a WR, they're already working in bargain bin moving forward.

So, not so easy to sign everyone under current conditions.

In comment 15121991 JonC said:

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about signing both LW and DT and the hard cap math. A number of posters don't want to live amongst the math ...

I can remember 1st grade clearer than most. Hatred of math starts early and is pervasive.

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and Engram as well. Not even certain on Solder, because there is a human element to how NYG conducts business, and RT is not settled. They could be pressed to create feasible cap space in the $25M ballpark, of which LW will eat a pile. If they sign a WR, they're already working in bargain bin moving forward. So, not so easy to sign everyone under current conditions.

I agree on Solder and the reason. I know it bites us sometimes, but I do have respect for the weight placed on the human element by NYG.

from being where we hope to be, and that still requires considerable amount of good fortune to fall into place. DG is still plugging holes, rather than building on top of the foundation he's trying to put to ground.