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Lombardi: Jags and Meyer agree to deal

ryanmkeane : 1/14/2021 9:47 am
he's reporting a press conference should be later today. Another shoe drops...
Urban and Trevor Lawrence is a  
GGGGmen : 1/14/2021 9:49 am : link
really nice restart button for that franchise.
I still..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 9:49 am : link
don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.
Will be a great storyline to follow  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/14/2021 9:50 am : link
Urban is as good as it gets on the college level, will he be a great pro coach.

With the stress level of the NFL, will his health also greatly deteriorate?
Yeah, I don't know that Meyer will translate to the NFL  
Dinger : 1/14/2021 9:55 am : link
He's a Top 10 all-time college coach but some coaches'systems' just don't work out.
good move for him  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2021 9:56 am : link
not a ton of expectations with that fan base, get to live in Florida, build with Lawrence...not too shabby.
Boom or Bust hire  
BradberryGlue : 1/14/2021 9:57 am : link
The man is one of the best eye coaches ever, it he’s had health issues and his staff is at Ohio St on top of the NFL adjustment. Lawrence gives him every chance to succeed, not having a QB is what sinks most HCs.
This will be a quick turn around  
rasbutant : 1/14/2021 9:59 am : link
The Jags have a lot of pieces already in place, have draft capital, and are CAP healthy.

I'm excited to see this  
Chris684 : 1/14/2021 10:03 am : link
and also glad that it's far away from NYG. If Lawrence is who we think he is, they're going to be awesome for a long time.
RE: I still..  
fanoftheteam : 1/14/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15122012 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.


Agree
In recent NFL history...  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2021 10:06 am : link
I think the least successful route to take as a franchise is to take a guy with very limited NFL experience straight from college and give him a HC job in the NFL.

It just doesn't work.
over/under  
Giantsfan79 : 1/14/2021 10:08 am : link
3 years before he has to retire because of health issues?
RE: I still..  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15122012 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.

I don't either but he chose a great spot to try it. It's far easier for college coaches to make it in the NFL than it was 15-20 years ago but few still succeed. If Lawrence develops into the QB that many expect then Meyer's job will be much easier. Plus there is far less media attention and pressure playing in Jacksonville.

The Jags were a bad team but they do have some good young pieces. Minshew will make a great backup to Lawrence.
They might have a solid trade asset in Minshew  
JonC : 1/14/2021 10:10 am : link
Add me to the list who doesn't think Meyer will last long in the NFL, mostly due to his health and his wandering eye.
Glad we get to see this happen  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2021 10:13 am : link
Only two coaches in college football history have moved on to the pros having had as much or more success in college (as measured by National Championships).

John McKay left USC with 4 National Championships to coach the Bucaneers in 1976. A move that was made mostly based on money - they increased his salary five-fold - McKay ended up with just a 44-88-1 record on Sundays.

Barry Switzer had 3 National Championships with the Oklahoma Sooners and as we all know was hired by Jerry Jones to drive Jimmy Johnson's ferrari from 94-97. Won 1 Super Bowl, and amassed 40-24 record in the regular season. He resigned after going 6-10 in 1997.
RE: They might have a solid trade asset in Minshew  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2021 10:14 am : link
In comment 15122069 JonC said:
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Add me to the list who doesn't think Meyer will last long in the NFL, mostly due to his health and his wandering eye.

I am a fan of Minshew and I would love to land him as Jones' backup but the Giants can't afford to give up a 3rd-4th round pick to land him.

The Colts and WFT should try to land Minshew.
I think Minshew  
JonC : 1/14/2021 10:15 am : link
will find a starting gig somewhere.
RE: RE: I still..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 10:17 am : link
In comment 15122062 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15122012 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.


I don't either but he chose a great spot to try it. It's far easier for college coaches to make it in the NFL than it was 15-20 years ago but few still succeed. If Lawrence develops into the QB that many expect then Meyer's job will be much easier. Plus there is far less media attention and pressure playing in Jacksonville.

The Jags were a bad team but they do have some good young pieces. Minshew will make a great backup to Lawrence.


I agree. Lawrence is going to be able to prop up any coach they have a bit.

Meyer just has too many red flags, and his lack of dedication is going to really be tested in the pro game with its ups and downs. I don't see him lasting more than 3 years, either due to health or another premier job he'd look at.
I think Allen Robinson is going to get PAID  
Ben in Tampa : 1/14/2021 10:17 am : link
by Jacksonville, who will immediately look for a WR to pair with Lawrence
RE: RE: RE: I still..  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15122089 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Meyer just has too many red flags, and his lack of dedication is going to really be tested in the pro game with its ups and downs. I don't see him lasting more than 3 years, either due to health or another premier job he'd look at.

I would be shocked if he is there longer than 3 years.
RE: I think Allen Robinson is going to get PAID  
rasbutant : 1/14/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15122090 Ben in Tampa said:
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by Jacksonville, who will immediately look for a WR to pair with Lawrence


They could and it would make them even better, but they do already have a nice young core in Laviska Shenault and DJ Chark.
I thought he  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/14/2021 10:26 am : link
would be more interested in a GM/President role. Every time he has a close game he is constantly grabbing his head. Twice a year at Ohio State. Now it will be every week.

Plenty of coaches have come from the college ranks and had NFL success. TC, Carroll, Switzer, Johnson. A good coach/leader is a good but certainly some adjustments are in order.

Switzer takes way too much crap for his stint at Dallas. That team was starting to fall apart. It is hard staying on top for long.



Anybody follow him enough in college to have any thoughts  
FranknWeezer : 1/14/2021 10:27 am : link
on who he may bring on for his OC and DC?
RE: I think Allen Robinson is going to get PAID  
robbieballs2003 : 1/14/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15122090 Ben in Tampa said:
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by Jacksonville, who will immediately look for a WR to pair with Lawrence


That's assuming he wants to go back to Jacksonville. IMO, he wants to get paid and win this year and not be part of another rebuild.
Jaguars need a CEO type head coach. Urban Meyer may be that  
Ivan15 : 1/14/2021 10:34 am : link
Type. He is going to an area with a fan base that will be receptive to him. At this point, Jags have nothing to lose except the owner’s money.

There are some nice pieces in place. No need for a total teardown. If Lawrence shows up, the Jags just need to build a solid core.
RE: I think Minshew  
jvm52106 : 1/14/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15122086 JonC said:
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will find a starting gig somewhere.


Wow, I am surprised at that. I think he faded badly but, the Jags were a mess.
Switzer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 10:36 am : link
probably doesn't take enough crap for his stint in Dallas.

He treated the Cowboys job as a college one with the assistants doing the bulk of the work and the bulk of the game planning.

Zampese, Davis and Campo were doing almost all of the work and they and the position assistants ran the practices and there were times that Switzer was absent during the week.

The stories of Switzer's trangressions are pretty legendary too. Hudson Houck joked that Switzer getting caught with a gun at the airport (which started the pressure to lead to his resignation), could have been one of the least nefarious things he did, saying, "Hell, if they knew what he did Tuesday or Wednesday of most weeks, they'd put him in solitary confinement!"

I'm hoping there's a documentary on Switzer one of these days. It would be extremely enjoyable.
I don’t know how long he’ll stick around, but  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2021 10:37 am : link
Meyer is the best coach I’ve ever seen in college football. Yes, Saban has the best credentials, but to win one game I would take Meyer every time. And he gets Trevor Lawrence too? I’ll be extremely interested to see how/if it works out.
RE: I still..  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/14/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15122012 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.


Agreed. Good coach, but a total unknown at this level.

His “health problems” are well documented, and I’m curious to see how he does without the top high school recruits in the nation clamoring to play for his program.
How many College Coach's  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/14/2021 10:40 am : link
Did well in the NFL?

Harbaugh? Coughlin? Carroll? Johnson?

The list isn't very long is it?

Tough jump apparently.
Wonder how much say he has in personnel  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2021 10:45 am : link
any reports on that?
RE: How many College Coach's  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/14/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15122130 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Did well in the NFL?

Harbaugh? Coughlin? Carroll? Johnson?

The list isn't very long is it?

Tough jump apparently.


Coryell, Vermeil, Robinson. I think dynamics have changed a lot. College football was a big deal before the NFL really took off. I think if some of the better college coaches really committed to winning in the NFL they would have success. I guess it depends on what one defines success. I don't think winning a Super Bowl is a fair measurement.
RE: Wonder how much say he has in personnel  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15122145 UConn4523 said:
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any reports on that?


I can’t imagine he would take any job without complete control.
RE: RE: I think Allen Robinson is going to get PAID  
eric2425ny : 1/14/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15122096 rasbutant said:
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In comment 15122090 Ben in Tampa said:


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by Jacksonville, who will immediately look for a WR to pair with Lawrence



They could and it would make them even better, but they do already have a nice young core in Laviska Shenault and DJ Chark.


They also have a good young RB in James Robinson. He’s a true three down back as he showed some pass catching skills this season. What a find that guy was.
RE: How many College Coach's  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15122130 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Did well in the NFL?

Harbaugh? Coughlin? Carroll? Johnson?

The list isn't very long is it?

Tough jump apparently.


Jimmy Johnson was the last guy to really do it.

Coughlin was an NFL assistant for years - Carroll was as well, and had a HC gig with NE before going to USC....

Harbaugh played in the NFL.

Those life long college guys just don't work out in the NFL.
Harbaugh..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2021 10:58 am : link
was a college coach for 7 years. He certainly fits the definition of a guy who rose from college to be successful in the NFL.

He also has a personality that makes it difficult for longevity in the NFL
RE: Harbaugh..  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15122175 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was a college coach for 7 years. He certainly fits the definition of a guy who rose from college to be successful in the NFL.

He also has a personality that makes it difficult for longevity in the NFL


I think it's different b/c he played in the league. He was also the QB coach for the Raiders for a year. It's hard to believe, but he was hired as the 49ers coach 10 years ago now....

Like another poster said earlier - the divide between college and the NFL has grown significantly. I just don't think those all college guys work.

Dnew  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/14/2021 11:15 am : link
Yes a divide exists. One thing these college coaches have is depth. So even if they lose starters they have very good talent behind them.

The NFL things change quickly. Have a great player and they get a career ending or injury that substantially reduces their performance long term.....not easy to replace. College they have someone already on the depth chart. Same goes for losing people in FA.
His record is stupendous  
bluepepper : 1/14/2021 11:29 am : link
wins everywhere he goes. He can flat out coach football. Who knows how it will work out but sure looks like a great hire.

And how good is Trevor Lawrence feeling? A month ago looked like he was going to the Jets. Now, he gets to stay in south and play for a legendary college coach in a small, low pressure market. Damn near perfect.

RE: I still..  
Victor in CT : 1/14/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15122012 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't think Meyer's schtick will play well in the NFL.


I agree. Pitino-ish
RE: His record is stupendous  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15122216 bluepepper said:
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wins everywhere he goes. He can flat out coach football. Who knows how it will work out but sure looks like a great hire.

And how good is Trevor Lawrence feeling? A month ago looked like he was going to the Jets. Now, he gets to stay in south and play for a legendary college coach in a small, low pressure market. Damn near perfect.


I agree. Its not just college coaches that have a hard time adapting to the NFL, plenty of NFL coordinators crash and burn too. I like this hire, perfect place/situation for him IMO.
And I realize he's a dirtbag  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2021 11:39 am : link
i'm just strictly speaking football.
Hey Urban-  
BigBlue2112 : 1/14/2021 12:45 pm : link
want a "Pro Bowl" TE for a 5th?
His  
Sammo85 : 1/14/2021 12:59 pm : link
"psych" program and methods won't fly with paid athletes/veterans.

He'll have to change his methods a bit and approaches (as Saban found out hard way).
RE: His  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2021 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15122338 Sammo85 said:
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"psych" program and methods won't fly with paid athletes/veterans.

He'll have to change his methods a bit and approaches (as Saban found out hard way).


Nick Saban joined the Dolphins in the pre-social media era and I don't think that can be emphasized enough as a critical moment in sports (every sport changed immensely in the late 2000's).

Saban has coached before/after this era so I'm sure he knows what works in college won't exactly fly in the NFL. I bet Saban's approach would be completely different entering the NFL now as opposed to 10/15 years ago.
I look forward...  
Chris in Philly : 1/14/2021 1:10 pm : link
to 2023 when they limp along to a 5-11 finish and Urban “retires” again.
Does Meyer  
Gman11 : 1/14/2021 1:28 pm : link
bring in Haskins? If he doesn't I think that says a lot about Haskins.
RE: I look forward...  
RC in MD : 1/14/2021 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15122350 Chris in Philly said:
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to 2023 when they limp along to a 5-11 finish and Urban “retires” again.


This. Meyer will give them a few years, and when the team doesn't succeed, he'll leave. Lawrence will end up going through a handful of HC/OC/systems, and he'll end up not meeting his potential.
RE: Does Meyer  
Victor in CT : 1/14/2021 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15122376 Gman11 said:
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bring in Haskins? If he doesn't I think that says a lot about Haskins.


He's being gifted Trevor Lawrence. Why would he bring in Haskins?
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/14/2021 2:55 pm : link
Has he resigned yet?
RE: They might have a solid trade asset in Minshew  
Thegratefulhead : 1/14/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15122069 JonC said:
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Add me to the list who doesn't think Meyer will last long in the NFL, mostly due to his health and his wandering eye.
Trade asset...agreed. He is in a really good situation, but...I think it is really hard for these guys to succeed. Meyer is a god at OSU. College coaches have all the power. Today's NFL is a completely different animal. Wait until he has to kiss ass and deal player ego.
I'd be worried about a few things:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/14/2021 3:22 pm : link
1) His health. That condition he has is not something you can slough off.

2) In college, the coach is the star; the players are just passing through for a few years. The coach is king. In the NFL, most of the players are paid more and are bigger stars than the coach. It's the coach who may be just passing through. It's not like the NBA, where the elite players can basically dictate hires and trades, but it's sure not college.

3) These aren't college kids, they're pro athletes and grown men. There are no 18-year-olds and plenty of guys in their 30s. If you saw "Ted Lasso," Ted keeps talking about developing his players as people, but there's a moment when his assistant reminds him that these are pros, their goal is to win. It's a different mindset. There's no doubt about his competitiveness but the path to winning is different in the NFL. If I were him, I'd surround myself with a bunch of experienced NFL coaches and look for former head coaches, as Joe Judge did.

4) No NFL team has the kind of physical advantage that his teams had in college. Nearly every team (yes, even the Giants and Jets) can match up physically. That puts much greater pressure on the coaching. You have to be very detail oriented and a great teacher and be able to conceive a terrific game plan every week.

5) Related to #1 above, the hours and stress on a pro coach are far, far greater than college coaches. He's not a young man. He's diving into something that burns out younger men with no health issues. It's a big gamble for both sides.
I Say 3 Years Max  
BlueVinnie : 1/14/2021 3:25 pm : link
Much like Nick Saban, Meyer will find it's much tougher to dominate in the pros where, unlike college, he can't just recruit an endless supply of the best athletes in the country.

Upon retirement, he will site health issues (which I believe are legitimate) and of course, his desire to spend more time with family.
Meyer  
Hilary : 1/14/2021 3:28 pm : link
Number I have seen is 12 million dollars per year.
He does not need a long career there.
The great college coaches like Saban and Meyer are playing with superior talent.
Even with Lawrence it will take a few good off seasons to get the Jaguars roster to a level in which they can compete with Chiefs, Bills and Ravens.
Does he draft  
TommyWiseau : 1/14/2021 6:50 pm : link
His guy Fields or does he take the better player in Lawrence?
RE: Does Meyer  
bw in dc : 1/14/2021 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15122376 Gman11 said:
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bring in Haskins? If he doesn't I think that says a lot about Haskins.


Meyer was pretty vocal that Haskins needed more maturity and could have used another year at OSU.

I am very curious to see how this goes...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2021 7:15 pm : link
with Meyer.

I'm actually surprised he took this. The stress of the pros is very grinding compared to college. And we know the health issues Meyer had at UF and OSU.

He does seem to have that Jimmy Johnson advantage. Meyer is very up to speed on the college landscape and knows the top incoming draft class very, very well.
We'll see with Trevor Lawrence  
mittenedman : 1/15/2021 9:07 am : link
He's a tantalizing prospect. Unfortunately you can't dismiss the pesky reality that he hasn't faced much adversity. There was a great article on NFL QB play at ESPN detailing Josh Allen's rise. In a nutshell, almost all NFL QBs who become great have extreme mental & physical toughness and battled through some sort of marked adversity. Whether it was a bad OLine, having to transfer to keep your career alive, something to show you really want it. As Allen put it: "This is the NFL. You're going to get punched in the mouth. How you respond to that determines how good you are." This was one of the reasons Judge is high on Daniel Jones: he took a beating and never wavered. Always stood tough in the pocket. Respected in the lockerroom. They know how he will respond when things get rough. Lamar Jackson was battle tested in college, as was Mahomes, Mayfield, Drew Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Russell Wilson, etc. Not many silver spoons. Physical and mental toughness.

The opposite of course is Jamarcus Russell and Dwayne Haskins, who had EZ-Boy recliners in the pocket throwing target practice. And maybe now Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence?

Lawrence had a cushy gig running that Clemson O. We'll see how he handles adversity, and the chaotic sh#tshow known as an NFL pocket. Will he keep grinding and maintain his status in the lockerroom when things get tough? Or will he turn into a pumpkin? Because they WILL get extremely tough.
How does..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 9:48 am : link
one decide who was "battle tested" in college?? That's laughable. Using Clemson as an example, Watson wasn't "battle tested" in college and he's doing just fine. Was Cam Newton battle tested? Was Big Ben?

Half the guys you listed as battle tested had very good WR's and skill position players. Not sure what this ridiculous concept of "battle tested" has to do - nor would you know who was or wasn't.
It's more than battle tested.  
mittenedman : 1/15/2021 2:21 pm : link
It's having to battle through adversity.

I've linked the article below. It's a good read about Josh Allen's emergence, and the advice he got from Tony Romo and Ryan Fitzpatrick out to dinner in Miami.

I'm not here to champion the author's premise or try to pick holes in the argument with certain individuals. Obviously it doesn't apply to everyone. At the crux of the point, however, is a guy who has it "easy" in college (annointed day 1, ultra productive environment, huge talent disadvantage) is very difficult to project into the NFL.

When it Clicked for Josh Allen - ( New Window )
The crux..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 2:40 pm : link
of the point should be it is really hard to project QB's from all walks of the NCAA. There have been a lot of QB's who didn't face major adversity in college- notably some of the greats- who had a ton of success in the NFL.
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