Quarterback - it's becoming *somewhat* clear that they are going to stick with Jones as the guy in 2021. Unless they have an incredibly high opinion of Justin Fields, Trey Lance, or Zach Wilson, and 1 of these guys were to fall to 11, that they said hey, we absolutely, unequivocally, cannot pass up this opportunity (which I don't believe they would think that about these prospects outside of Lawrence), it looks like Jones is our guy for the immediate future.
Result - we won't be taking QB
Skill players - here's where it gets interesting, as you could have as many as 3-4 skill guys already gone by the time we pick, or, you could argue they could all be there based on how the draft is going (a run on QB, defense, and OL). Based on prior DG drafts, and the recent partnership with Judge and how the 2020 draft went, I'd imagine the board looks like this, in order of preference: Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, Kyle Pitts, Jaylen Waddle, Reshod Bateman. I do not expect Bateman to be in the discussion at 11.
Result - draft Chase or Smith (if either are available, in that order) and then seriously consider Pitts or Waddle if the first two are off the board. Gun to my head, I think Judge would want a #1 outside caliber receiver at 11, if the grade takes you there. If Judge gets some good intel on Waddle and they think he can be a Tyreek Hill type weapon, decent chance he's the guy if the other two are gone. Pitts is a wildcard for me. He's probably going to end up being a great playmaker in the NFL, just depends on if we want to draft a hybrid TE that high.
OL: Sewell will be gone, but there's a decent chance Rashawn Slater is available, along with Alija Vera-Tucker out of USC. Christian Darrisaw is in the mix as well, but not sure he screams 11th pick for me.
Result: Seriously consider Slater if he's there, otherwise you pass on OL at 11.
DB: Patrick Surtain II and Caleb Farley are the only options you consider at 11 if you're picking a DB. I still think that if Surtain is sitting there and their top WR target is gone, that they'd have a really hard time passing on him. This would make it easy for Gettleman.
Result: Draft Surtain II if available, do your homework on Farley but ultimately pass on him
DL: It seems to be Paye or bust for the DL with the 11th pick. I don't think Rousseau is a guy that DG would take, he seems like too much of a project, and I expect DG to go bargain shopping for edge rushers in FA. Paye would immediately make this DL a force, but in a way he might be too similar to Leonard Williams. Great against the run, stout all around, can rush the passer a bit, but is not a true edge rusher in that sense. He does kinda seem like a man among boys out there, which I could see DG going nuts over.
Result: Draft Paye if WR and DB targets are gone, take Paye over OL
At the end of the day, I think there's 6 players that Giants will have circled. Chase, Smith, Surtain, Pitts, Waddle, and Paye. I didn't include Parsons as I imagine he will be gone. If he's somehow there you don't think twice about it.
My early prediction is that Patrick Surtain II will be in Giant blue come April.
I think we can replace and possibly upgrade Zeitler and Tomlinson on day 2 by going OG and DT with our 2nd and 3rd round picks.
In FA re-sign Leo, go after J.C. Jackson, Kenny Golladay or Allen Robinson AND maybe a edge guy too if we can... I mean DG might as well go for the gusto this offseason... this rebuild can't keep crawling toward the finish line eventually it has to take off running. It's probably now or neve
r for DG, his time is running out, swing for the fences Getty!
Curious. Who in the past 8 years have the Giants drafted at 2nd or 3rd rounds who would have been replacements or upgrades to what Tomlinson and Zeitler have shown other than Tomlinson himself? Hernandez? Hill? You are overvaluing draft picks and devaluing current players.
WR Chase (likely gone)
WR Smith (might not make it)
WR Waddle
TE Pitts (not a WR but a playmaker in the passing game)
EDGE Ojulari
CB Surtain
Maybes:
EDGE Paye
CB Farley
Don't like:
EDGE Rousseau (not bendy enough, looks more like a 4-3 DE)
Sleeper:
EDGE Joseph Ossai
I'd take the best WR at #11.
Yes 100%....Our defence played well enough to win 3 or 4 other games..We lost them because of no points..I know Barkley was missing..But with a true #1 WR and Barkley back like new,that might give us 14 pts per game more then 2020's points per game total..I also think we canmot
afford a WR free agent..A FA for the defence money wise might be good..
Why? I am thinking that due to his contract and our desire to rebuild with youth, the cap implications this year with a reduced $$$; and the need to protect D. Jones, an upgrade interior (say a 3rd year guy) to replace Zeitler cheap?
My logic is with the 2nd you can still get a WR and with the 4th a RB perhaps as we need to upgrade skill positions and depth.
I dunno, it just came to mind as a possibility: a trade that is.
Patrick Surtain ..probably top ten, certainly never makes it past Dallas.
Four qb, 5 position players likely gone: Sewell, Chase, Smith, Patrick Surtain, Parsons...
Remembering it never goes the way you think, the following talent might be available less one...
Calab Farley, Kyle Pitt (my favorites) Zareen Collins, Jaycee Horn, Rousseau, Christiab Barmae, Ojular, Jaylon Waddle.PLUS...
Last time we picked near here (2014 #12) OBJ, Aaron Donald and Zack Martin were waiting .....one way or another there is going to be superb Talent available at number 11
I have some Twisted logic it keeps me from a wide receiver. I think the return of saquon is almost like getting a superb wide receiver and I think judge/ Garrett will exploit that Talent. I also think will pick up someone in free agency. And my perversion extends 2 Evan Ephraim, because I think _Sans the pressure to be their Chief threat - that he will settle into a more productive role and even provide nightmares for defensive coordinators.
I think the offensive line can be very good without any additions. I think Jones will play very well. So my thought is, and maybe it's wishful thinking, that this offense can be very good next year. Provided saquon stays healthy.
First of all, "potentially fragile"? Every player in the NFL is potentially fragile. You wouldn't want Marvin Harrison on your team? Tyreek Hill? Deontay Harris?
Then you talk about Saquon Barkley. He is not potentially fragile. He IS fragile. He has missed almost half of the games in his three seasons.
Finally, the OL is not settled, and I will be very surprised if the Giants do not sign a vet FA with talent or draft more OL in one of the top four rounds.
what's the joe judge quote? tell me what he can do not what he can't. and this guy can be darren waller
Why? I am thinking that due to his contract and our desire to rebuild with youth, the cap implications this year with a reduced $$$; and the need to protect D. Jones, an upgrade interior (say a 3rd year guy) to replace Zeitler cheap?
My logic is with the 2nd you can still get a WR and with the 4th a RB perhaps as we need to upgrade skill positions and depth.
I dunno, it just came to mind as a possibility: a trade that is.
i will believe DG will trade down when i see it. he NEVER has