A longtime member of Seattle's front office, he's considered one of the top understudies of Seahawks GM John Schneider, moving up from co-director of player personnel prior to this season. Originally an area scout for the team starting in 2001, Fitterer spent five seasons as a regional director of college scouting before ascending the personnel department and helped oversee 14 playoff appearances, including three Super Bowl bids, during his tenure with the organization.
come in for a second interview and I just talked to somebody who said there was a hiring "committee". Rhule and Tepper were on it, as well as a "consultant" and the Directors of their football operations, scouting and staff, Mark Carrier (an original Panthers signee), Jeff Morrow and Matt Allen
Chiefs assistant director of player personnel, Ryan Poles, Titans director of player personnel Monti Ossenfort, and 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters were the others who had 2nd interviews.
I don't think the hire is yet official, but the offer has been made
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
Maybe he does. Did you talk to Rhule? Maybe Kirwan does. I really don't know.
But Kirwan never strikes me as a guy who is into sensationalism and looking to make news.
I did not talk to Rhule. I talked to somebody who told me the details of the committee, which I laid out above.
Like I said - I don't expect anything more than you to discard the information and use whatever best suits whatever ridiculous narrative you want to drive home.
This could have just been a thread about who the Panthers hired - not turned into some fanciful tale about Rhule getting "his guy".
Weird how CAR put out a press release saying he's been "offered"
the job before waiting to put one out saying it's a done deal. I'm sure there's a strategy behind that, but will be messy if it falls apart. Panthers offer Fitterer GM role - ( New Window )
why it's so outrageous to suggest Rhule got his guy.
And it actually makes sense, if you had the ability to step back and evaluate a situation, because this hire isn't a brand name. It's a virtual unknown.
Maybe he does. Did you talk to Rhule? Maybe Kirwan does. I really don't know.
But Kirwan never strikes me as a guy who is into sensationalism and looking to make news.
I did not talk to Rhule. I talked to somebody who told me the details of the committee, which I laid out above.
Like I said - I don't expect anything more than you to discard the information and use whatever best suits whatever ridiculous narrative you want to drive home.
This could have just been a thread about who the Panthers hired - not turned into some fanciful tale about Rhule getting "his guy".
RE: Weird how CAR put out a press release saying he's been
the job before waiting to put one out saying it's a done deal. I'm sure there's a strategy behind that, but will be messy if it falls apart. Panthers offer Fitterer GM role - ( New Window )
I was told it was an offer but there was a very high certainty he would accept it.
By the way - what I also heard is that the teams really like the flexibility they have with interviews now. Instead of wining and dining candidates, they are often doing initial interviews via Zoom or videoconference software. People can join from multiple locations so scheduling and conducting the interviews are much easier.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
Of course you are - that's why you immediately tried to say Rhule hired him.
You didn't have to step in it - but it is what you do!
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
What organization thrives when one person is given almost complete authority? Belichick has close to that in New England, but he earned that.
Letting Matt Rhule or Joe Judge or any other unproven HC hire their own GM is absurd. I think it is equally ludicrous to let the GM hire the coach. They have two different skill sets and should be working together under the direction of someone else.
Having said all that, I have no idea how Carolina hired their GM nor do I care much.
and no matter what talent the GM finds the HC needs to orchestrate the rest - it makes sense to have the HC pick the GM, the old way still works too but it’s hardly something that’s definitive these days.
As for Rhule, no dog in that argument but I suspect people would post differently if this was the Giants.
I know you love the safety and warmth of being in the mainstream, but, and I only say this as a BBI friend, you really need to get out of your comfort zone and learn to think at least a little bit...
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
Let's review.
And I'll keep this simple in deference to you and others.
I know you love the safety and warmth of being in the mainstream, but, and I only say this as a BBI friend, you really need to get out of your comfort zone and learn to think at least a little bit...
Why would I think - when I was given the information. Why would I question it?? Again. This was fairly straightforward - I was just passing along the news and then you had to post something that directly contradicts what I heard happened.
And sadly, I know why. Because you want to drive home how progressive other teams are so you can continue to discuss Jints Central being backwards and The Giants Way derisively.
So it makes me wonder - when you fabricated something you had no need to, what have you tried to spin with the Giants, disingenuously.
If you are told 2+2= 4 and you think about it - you are a fucking moron.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
Literally the most anmoying poster on the board '56...I thought it was a novelty act.
Rhule will have final decisions on the 53-man roster, according to sources with knowledge of the hire, similar to what Andy Reid has with Kansas City and Bill Belichick has with the New England Patriots.
I know you love the safety and warmth of being in the mainstream, but, and I only say this as a BBI friend, you really need to get out of your comfort zone and learn to think at least a little bit...
Why would I think - when I was given the information. Why would I question it?? Again. This was fairly straightforward - I was just passing along the news and then you had to post something that directly contradicts what I heard happened.
And sadly, I know why. Because you want to drive home how progressive other teams are so you can continue to discuss Jints Central being backwards and The Giants Way derisively.
So it makes me wonder - when you fabricated something you had no need to, what have you tried to spin with the Giants, disingenuously.
If you are told 2+2= 4 and you think about it - you are a fucking moron.
I don't doubt there was a process - committee formed, Tepper was involved, they brought in 12-15 candidates, etc.
But I believe Rhule had the final-final say. And that seems to reflected in hiring a virtual unknown.
Fitterer's name has been bandied about in recent years as a GM candidate. The new Panthers GM had been with Seattle since 2001 and worked along respected GM John Schneider since 2010. Schneider, who signed an extension this week through the 2027 draft is going nowhere. The same cannot be said for Fitterer.
Rhule will have final decisions on the 53-man roster, according to sources with knowledge of the hire, similar to what Andy Reid has with Kansas City and Bill Belichick has with the New England Patriots.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
I am with BW on this. I am a big fan of accountability. I loathe situations when there is finger pointing. Is it the Gm? Is it the coach? The GM drafted players that don't fit the system or is it the coach that doesn't find ways to use the players brought in? Fuck all that. Someone needs to be accountable to results and I think it should be the coach.
continue to try and steer the narrative to Rhule making the hire. I'll let people come to their own conclusions and read the articles when they will talk about this being an extensive process that will mirror what I said above.
I have no use for continuing an argument with somebody who has been given facts and willfully ignores them.
Fitterer's name has been bandied about in recent years as a GM candidate. The new Panthers GM had been with Seattle since 2001 and worked along respected GM John Schneider since 2010. Schneider, who signed an extension this week through the 2027 draft is going nowhere. The same cannot be said for Fitterer.
Like you even mentioned in your opening, you didn't know much about him. And neither did I.
And I would guess you and I have a pretty decent understanding of who is who in most front offices and the "hot names" year after year in these searches...
A longtime member of Seattle's front office, he's considered one of the top understudies of Seahawks GM John Schneider, moving up from co-director of player personnel prior to this season. Originally an area scout for the team starting in 2001, Fitterer spent five seasons as a regional director of college scouting before ascending the personnel department and helped oversee 14 playoff appearances, including three Super Bowl bids, during his tenure with the organization.
Seems like a pretty good background...heavy into college scouting. Read he has also interviewed for GM jobs in the past. Also worked for NYG for a bit too.
Also, not sure why what BW in DC posted was so unjustified though that you had to lose your mind over it.
You just really can't stop berating people around here, can you?
continue to try and steer the narrative to Rhule making the hire. I'll let people come to their own conclusions and read the articles when they will talk about this being an extensive process that will mirror what I said above.
I have no use for continuing an argument with somebody who has been given facts and willfully ignores them.
Fair enough.
But it does seem to be fairly common knowledge around the league that Rhule "rules the roost" with the Panthers on basically all things football.
If Judge is not there already, I think it is heading there. Hard to give a first time HC that kind of power. I think Judge likely pounded the table to keep DG. While the former is speculation, I think it fair to say Judge didn't campaign for a new GM because he was satisfied with the relationship. While I would have preferred a new GM like Caserio I am done whining about DG being here because of the way the duo seemed to work together. The draft will interesting to watch this year. I think if a reasonable trade down presents itself, we will be open for business.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
Also, not sure why what BW in DC posted was so unjustified though that you had to lose your mind over it.
He posted that this was Rhule's hire which is incorrect. No wonder you are a contrarian - you apparently like taking the side that isn't factually supported.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
Kansas City, New England Patriots and if you believe ESPN maybe the Panthers too? Parcells had it after he left NYG.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
Kansas City, New England Patriots and if you believe ESPN maybe the Panthers too? Parcells had it after he left NYG.
So Andy Reid reports to Andy Reid and Bill Belichick reports to Bill Belichick?
how this thread turned out and who showed up to torpedo it.
Torpedoed it? Seems a bit strong.
FMiC posts breaking news that the Panthers have a new GM.
Concurrently, I hear Pat Kirwan say Fitterer is Rhule's hire.
So essentially echo that. I don't call FMiC names or berate him. Just take a different view.
Now, I certainly confess I like the HC having the ability to hire their own GM because I think the classic paradigm of GM and HC responsibilities are old and stodgy. So news like this would appeal to me.
is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
The GM has other duties besides player personnel and cap management. The HC isn't involved in those duties. It doesn't make sense for the GM to report to the HC. It may make sense for the GM to let the HC have final say on personnel decisions (up to a point) but not for the GM to report to the HC. It's like having the CEO or COO report to a department head.
If you knew the way Tepper has operated - you wouldn't say that at all.
And he said this is all Rhule.
Chiefs assistant director of player personnel, Ryan Poles, Titans director of player personnel Monti Ossenfort, and 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters were the others who had 2nd interviews.
I don't think the hire is yet official, but the offer has been made
And he said this is all Rhule.
Great. He knows more than a guy in the building.
Likely so you can continue to concoct scenarios where the Giants are doing things backwards.
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And he said this is all Rhule.
Great. He knows more than a guy in the building.
Maybe he does. Did you talk to Rhule? Maybe Kirwan does. I really don't know.
But Kirwan never strikes me as a guy who is into sensationalism and looking to make news.
Likely so you can continue to concoct scenarios where the Giants are doing things backwards.
Okay. Good one.
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And he said this is all Rhule.
Great. He knows more than a guy in the building.
Maybe he does. Did you talk to Rhule? Maybe Kirwan does. I really don't know.
But Kirwan never strikes me as a guy who is into sensationalism and looking to make news.
I did not talk to Rhule. I talked to somebody who told me the details of the committee, which I laid out above.
Like I said - I don't expect anything more than you to discard the information and use whatever best suits whatever ridiculous narrative you want to drive home.
This could have just been a thread about who the Panthers hired - not turned into some fanciful tale about Rhule getting "his guy".
Panthers offer Fitterer GM role - ( New Window )
And it actually makes sense, if you had the ability to step back and evaluate a situation, because this hire isn't a brand name. It's a virtual unknown.
And why do you think that is?
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And he said this is all Rhule.
Great. He knows more than a guy in the building.
Maybe he does. Did you talk to Rhule? Maybe Kirwan does. I really don't know.
But Kirwan never strikes me as a guy who is into sensationalism and looking to make news.
I did not talk to Rhule. I talked to somebody who told me the details of the committee, which I laid out above.
Like I said - I don't expect anything more than you to discard the information and use whatever best suits whatever ridiculous narrative you want to drive home.
This could have just been a thread about who the Panthers hired - not turned into some fanciful tale about Rhule getting "his guy".
I was told it was an offer but there was a very high certainty he would accept it.
By the way - what I also heard is that the teams really like the flexibility they have with interviews now. Instead of wining and dining candidates, they are often doing initial interviews via Zoom or videoconference software. People can join from multiple locations so scheduling and conducting the interviews are much easier.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
Of course you are - that's why you immediately tried to say Rhule hired him.
You didn't have to step in it - but it is what you do!
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
Letting Matt Rhule or Joe Judge or any other unproven HC hire their own GM is absurd. I think it is equally ludicrous to let the GM hire the coach. They have two different skill sets and should be working together under the direction of someone else.
Having said all that, I have no idea how Carolina hired their GM nor do I care much.
As for Rhule, no dog in that argument but I suspect people would post differently if this was the Giants.
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
Let's review.
And I'll keep this simple in deference to you and others.
I basically said what Kirwan said.
Thank you.
Why would I think - when I was given the information. Why would I question it?? Again. This was fairly straightforward - I was just passing along the news and then you had to post something that directly contradicts what I heard happened.
And sadly, I know why. Because you want to drive home how progressive other teams are so you can continue to discuss Jints Central being backwards and The Giants Way derisively.
So it makes me wonder - when you fabricated something you had no need to, what have you tried to spin with the Giants, disingenuously.
If you are told 2+2= 4 and you think about it - you are a fucking moron.
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
So what knowledge do you have about Panthers’ Central?
Literally the most anmoying poster on the board '56...I thought it was a novelty act.
Again - you could have just avoided this by not posting a slanted view immediately
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I know you love the safety and warmth of being in the mainstream, but, and I only say this as a BBI friend, you really need to get out of your comfort zone and learn to think at least a little bit...
Why would I think - when I was given the information. Why would I question it?? Again. This was fairly straightforward - I was just passing along the news and then you had to post something that directly contradicts what I heard happened.
And sadly, I know why. Because you want to drive home how progressive other teams are so you can continue to discuss Jints Central being backwards and The Giants Way derisively.
So it makes me wonder - when you fabricated something you had no need to, what have you tried to spin with the Giants, disingenuously.
If you are told 2+2= 4 and you think about it - you are a fucking moron.
I don't doubt there was a process - committee formed, Tepper was involved, they brought in 12-15 candidates, etc.
But I believe Rhule had the final-final say. And that seems to reflected in hiring a virtual unknown.
Again - you could have just avoided this by not posting a slanted view immediately
You really think ALL NFL teams are structured where coaches have final roster say??
Seriously - did you just write that?
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
I have no use for continuing an argument with somebody who has been given facts and willfully ignores them.
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Fitterer's name has been bandied about in recent years as a GM candidate. The new Panthers GM had been with Seattle since 2001 and worked along respected GM John Schneider since 2010. Schneider, who signed an extension this week through the 2027 draft is going nowhere. The same cannot be said for Fitterer.
Like you even mentioned in your opening, you didn't know much about him. And neither did I.
And I would guess you and I have a pretty decent understanding of who is who in most front offices and the "hot names" year after year in these searches...
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A longtime member of Seattle's front office, he's considered one of the top understudies of Seahawks GM John Schneider, moving up from co-director of player personnel prior to this season. Originally an area scout for the team starting in 2001, Fitterer spent five seasons as a regional director of college scouting before ascending the personnel department and helped oversee 14 playoff appearances, including three Super Bowl bids, during his tenure with the organization.
Seems like a pretty good background...heavy into college scouting. Read he has also interviewed for GM jobs in the past. Also worked for NYG for a bit too.
Also, not sure why what BW in DC posted was so unjustified though that you had to lose your mind over it.
You just really can't stop berating people around here, can you?
I have no use for continuing an argument with somebody who has been given facts and willfully ignores them.
Fair enough.
But it does seem to be fairly common knowledge around the league that Rhule "rules the roost" with the Panthers on basically all things football.
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
He posted that this was Rhule's hire which is incorrect. No wonder you are a contrarian - you apparently like taking the side that isn't factually supported.
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).
In what sport anywhere does the GM report to the HC or manager?
In what business does the GM report to an employee below him?
Kansas City, New England Patriots and if you believe ESPN maybe the Panthers too? Parcells had it after he left NYG.
So Andy Reid reports to Andy Reid and Bill Belichick reports to Bill Belichick?
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
Tag Team Match:
Fatman/Britt vs. LBH15 (Jimmy Googs)/BW
I'd pay to see it.
Torpedoed it? Seems a bit strong.
FMiC posts breaking news that the Panthers have a new GM.
Concurrently, I hear Pat Kirwan say Fitterer is Rhule's hire.
So essentially echo that. I don't call FMiC names or berate him. Just take a different view.
Now, I certainly confess I like the HC having the ability to hire their own GM because I think the classic paradigm of GM and HC responsibilities are old and stodgy. So news like this would appeal to me.
From this, two camps have emerged on what actual power was exerted behind the scenes in this process?
The correct answer is - nobody on BBI knows. If you think you know, you are incorrect.
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is just wrong. The GM is above the HC on the pecking order as far as I know I can see an opinion as to whether or not there would be a conflict, but that is all.
I'm on the other side of this one. I like the GM reporting directly to the HC, or having a dotted line (at a minimum).