seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
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Seems like a trade off, the extra year for a lower AAV,
I want to see the actual details myself.
I was thinking 4/85, with a vesting option for a 5th year.
that offer from Toronto but I guess being on a winning team means something to him. Or it could be he didn’t think he would land a nice contract once the four years were up. Looks like a great deal though. Seems like teams are still willing to spend quite a bit for the right players.
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
that offer from Toronto but I guess being on a winning team means something to him. Or it could be he didn’t think he would land a nice contract once the four years were up. Looks like a great deal though. Seems like teams are still willing to spend quite a bit for the right players.
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
Likely wanted to stay and questioned if he would "find" enough money post 4 years to risk the extra 12.
They can go out and get a starting pitcher, Tanaka?
Maybe a Odorizzi, he's not bad. They won't bring in a Bauer, he is not the Yanks type of player.
With this AAV of DJ at 15 mill. per (helps w/luxury tax too)...Maybe a relief pitcher as well, to replace Kahnle.
seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
I hear you but he's getting $10m and being paid until he's 38/39. Sure, that 4 year deal leaves open the opportunity for more money at 36, but probably not much more.
was just on MLBN, he was reporting that the Jays had
offered 4/78, and the Yanks originally were at 4/80.
That's what he is 'reporting', of course we don't know.
that offer from Toronto but I guess being on a winning team means something to him. Or it could be he didn’t think he would land a nice contract once the four years were up. Looks like a great deal though. Seems like teams are still willing to spend quite a bit for the right players.
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
It’s actually a smart deal on both sides. While I am not in favor of long deals for players approaching their mid 30’s, as history tells us that the decline is rapid for INF after 35, the low average value of the deal makes up for it.
From DJLM’s perspective, he gets an additional $30M over the prior offers- more money, but to get it he had to agree to less money annually. However, that in turn is offset by the fact that he will be 38 at the end of the deal and likely looking at year-to-year deals at that age. His agent likely pointed out that older vets are getting beat up in FA and that if he took a 4 year deal, he’d likely be looking at low dollar yearly deals.
DJLM probably gets more at age 36, 37 and 38 than he gets on one year deals, but sacrificed being a $20M a year guy to instead be a $15M a year guy.
For the Yanks it makes sense because the average value of the deal is what is used for luxury tax purposes, not the actual payout. To illustrate, Stanton is going to be paid $29M in 2021, but for luxury tax purposes, he only counts for $22M. That is because the average value of his deal is $25M, but MLB determined that because the Marlins will pay the Yanks $30M (with 10 years left on his deal when traded to the Yanks) that $20M was spread over the remaining 10 years to offset the average value, thus reducing it from $25M to $22M annually.
Thus, the Yanks original offer and the Jays offer would have amounted to around $20M per, but now they are only counted as $15M annually, saving another $5M to spend elsewhere for tax purposes. That may be important this offseason if Hal is really requiring the team to stay below the luxury tax limit.
Both sides appear to benefit. Not perfect for either, but that’s the way compromise works.
seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
he decided to take extra guaranteed money instead of becoming a free agent earlier. Might end up being a smart move if he's washed up in 4 years.
for a guy who will be 32/33 in his 1st year of the deal. But that's what happens when you try to negotiate a lower AAV, which the Yanks successfully did.
If we get 3 more years of roughly the same performance that we've seen over the past 2 years, then this deal will be worth it. Over the last 2 years he has been 12th in fWAR, 1st in BA, 10th in wRC+. Just a complete stud and the most consistent player on the team. I'm glad to have him back, hopefully he keeps on killing it in pinstripes.
he may be anticipating the owners getting concessions from the MLPA from playing in front of empty stands. With the lower AAV and extra years it affects him less.
Hans Montero got $1.4 or $1.7, depending on who you ask. Kiley had him as his #9, BA had him at 21. SS who does a little bit of everything, light on power at least at present.
seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
I didn't want to go there, but I also thought a 4 year deal was going to cost them $80. So, a little more term at a substantially lower AAV is fine with me.
He'll probably be at 1st base in a few years with Torres moving to 2nd where he belongs. I'd take a flier on Didi if he would go 1 or 2 yrs. I like his lefty bat as well.
seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
boohoo. I hope he can pay the rent LOL
I get that, but if someone is going to get rich our an outlandish contract (which there are some in baseball that do although it is becoming less and less), I wish it was a guy that I think the world of.
Seems like a trade off, the extra year for a lower AAV,
I want to see the actual details myself.
I was thinking 4/85, with a vesting option for a 5th year.
Underpaid for the first few years for sure. We'll see about the last few years. I love it though. Love having that guy on the team.
LOL. So this is what you takeaway from it?? Jesus
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
Likely wanted to stay and questioned if he would "find" enough money post 4 years to risk the extra 12.
Maybe a Odorizzi, he's not bad. They won't bring in a Bauer, he is not the Yanks type of player.
With this AAV of DJ at 15 mill. per (helps w/luxury tax too)...Maybe a relief pitcher as well, to replace Kahnle.
I hear you but he's getting $10m and being paid until he's 38/39. Sure, that 4 year deal leaves open the opportunity for more money at 36, but probably not much more.
offered 4/78, and the Yanks originally were at 4/80.
That's what he is 'reporting', of course we don't know.
Hopefully they can land at least a couple good pitchers now.
It’s actually a smart deal on both sides. While I am not in favor of long deals for players approaching their mid 30’s, as history tells us that the decline is rapid for INF after 35, the low average value of the deal makes up for it.
From DJLM’s perspective, he gets an additional $30M over the prior offers- more money, but to get it he had to agree to less money annually. However, that in turn is offset by the fact that he will be 38 at the end of the deal and likely looking at year-to-year deals at that age. His agent likely pointed out that older vets are getting beat up in FA and that if he took a 4 year deal, he’d likely be looking at low dollar yearly deals.
DJLM probably gets more at age 36, 37 and 38 than he gets on one year deals, but sacrificed being a $20M a year guy to instead be a $15M a year guy.
For the Yanks it makes sense because the average value of the deal is what is used for luxury tax purposes, not the actual payout. To illustrate, Stanton is going to be paid $29M in 2021, but for luxury tax purposes, he only counts for $22M. That is because the average value of his deal is $25M, but MLB determined that because the Marlins will pay the Yanks $30M (with 10 years left on his deal when traded to the Yanks) that $20M was spread over the remaining 10 years to offset the average value, thus reducing it from $25M to $22M annually.
Thus, the Yanks original offer and the Jays offer would have amounted to around $20M per, but now they are only counted as $15M annually, saving another $5M to spend elsewhere for tax purposes. That may be important this offseason if Hal is really requiring the team to stay below the luxury tax limit.
Both sides appear to benefit. Not perfect for either, but that’s the way compromise works.
he decided to take extra guaranteed money instead of becoming a free agent earlier. Might end up being a smart move if he's washed up in 4 years.
If we get 3 more years of roughly the same performance that we've seen over the past 2 years, then this deal will be worth it. Over the last 2 years he has been 12th in fWAR, 1st in BA, 10th in wRC+. Just a complete stud and the most consistent player on the team. I'm glad to have him back, hopefully he keeps on killing it in pinstripes.
Any word on whether he negotiated an opt-out ?
boohoo. I hope he can pay the rent LOL
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seems ridiculously low, I actually feel bad for DJ; he is one of my favorite players and deserves a lot more than that (I was thinking 19-20 over 4 would have been fair).
boohoo. I hope he can pay the rent LOL
I get that, but if someone is going to get rich our an outlandish contract (which there are some in baseball that do although it is becoming less and less), I wish it was a guy that I think the world of.
If the rumors on Corey Kluber are true, this will be a good day.
If the rumors on Corey Kluber are true, this will be a good day.
DJ's style of hitting ages well IMO because he's not a power guy
So what does this mean, essentially the same line-up as last year?