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M.S. : 1/15/2021 7:15 am
Ryan Wilson (Jan 13th) has the Giants taking Michigan DL Kwity Paye at #11. Very fine player, only one problem: Why would anyone mock a defensive player going to the Giants when their offense is a first-class disaster?

Chris Trapasso (Jan 13th) has the Giants taking Florida TE Kyle Pitts at #11. Another very fine player. But the Giants need a bona fide 2-way TE who can seal the edge and also act as Daniel Jones' security blanket over the middle securing 10- yard catches in heavy traffic.

Josh Edwards (Jan 7th) has the Giants taking Alabama WR DaVonta Smith at #11. Only one problem: that was a pipe dream even before the national championship.

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RE: I'm confused..  
jvm52106 : 1/15/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15123090 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you say that the offense needs to be fixed and then you dismiss Smith as an option and you shit on the idea Pitts can be a difference maker.

What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??

Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.


Maybe I am reading it wrong but I assumed he meant that Smith would be long gone by our pick.
I don't get exicted over mocks this early  
Biteymax22 : 1/15/2021 8:52 am : link
But I look at the Kwity Paye pick and can say that would be a reach. I don't care about them taking that position, I just think he'll be a faller as this process goes on.

As to who or what to draft given the fact we have 6 picks and a ton of holes we should all hope this is the first year Gettleman actually trades down.
RE: RE: RE: Pitts  
BillT : 1/15/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15123134 M.S. said:
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In comment 15123080 Jolly Blue Giant said:


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Can’t make a 10 yard catch in heavy traffic?


I'm sure he can. Can he block a DE or 255lb OLB. That's the important question because we've just see how a "TE" who can't do that works.


I don't know if Kyle Pitts can be a true 2-way TE in the NFL, but I know the Giants are desperate for one. So, if there's any question marks around Kyle Pitts' in-line blocking or taking a pounding over the middle, then maybe #11 is a bit too rich for selecting him.

My point exactly. Replacing a one dimensional "TE" with another one-dimensional TE would personally drive me a little nuts.
I love Mock Drafts becuase they are fun  
jvm52106 : 1/15/2021 8:54 am : link
and gives you some idea on what rumors might be out there about other teams interests. But, they are pretty worthless prior to FA and probably even more worthless in this Pandemic year offseason. There will be so much projection being done vs actual production that surprises will abound come draft time.

The Giants need a star player on defense and a few very sound borderline stud players on offense.

1981 the Giants offense was crap and our defense wasn't that bad. We took LT and the rest is history. Not saying there is an LT in this crop or even anyone close to that, just that we take the best player available regardless and go from there. FA is about getting guys you want for teh price you are willing to pay. The draft is evaluation, projection and ignoring positions (mostly) and taking the best guy available.
RE: RE: I'm confused..  
M.S. : 1/15/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15123149 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15123090 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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you say that the offense needs to be fixed and then you dismiss Smith as an option and you shit on the idea Pitts can be a difference maker.

What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??

Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.



Maybe I am reading it wrong but I assumed he meant that Smith would be long gone by our pick.

jvm52106 -- you're right. I tried to correct his misreading a few threads up at 8:32am.
Ryan Wilson's mock would be  
barens : 1/15/2021 8:58 am : link
really great for Miami.
Pitts is a weapon  
Justlurking : 1/15/2021 9:10 am : link
Guys he’s a nightmare for defenses. He may be a WR in the NFL. Think Claypool. Sign me up
If it's a clear need  
DavidinBMNY : 1/15/2021 9:18 am : link
Then sign an FA. I think they will. The Giants even with a reduced cap are going to have ways to free up money. Lots of players are probably going to have to be released and there isn't going to be a ton of $ to go around.

From a roster building perspective, the Giants devoted picks last year to OL and defense back 7. This year, with how many picks they have they will likely focus on other position groups. Pretty sure they will draft either a WR or a TE.
Lets wait  
PaulN : 1/15/2021 9:20 am : link
Until after free agency, and I agree, Surtain would be a great pick, him with McKinney healthy for a full season and this would have the potential to be a great secondary.
BPA is key in round 1  
eric2425ny : 1/15/2021 9:21 am : link
but we know teams still slot certain positions above others due to need. To me mock drafts are almost pointless right now because we have no idea how free agency will turn out.
At the risk of coming off  
joeinpa : 1/15/2021 9:30 am : link
Clueless in regards to draft prospects, am I the only one that doesn’t feel Smith would be a slam dunk at 11, because of his slight of build, 175 lbs, yikes!
RE: I'm confused..  
LBH15 : 1/15/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15123090 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you say that the offense needs to be fixed and then you dismiss Smith as an option and you shit on the idea Pitts can be a difference maker.

What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??

Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.


Fat, confused and miserable is no way to go through life, son.
RE: At the risk of coming off  
Saquads26 : 1/15/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15123248 joeinpa said:
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Clueless in regards to draft prospects, am I the only one that doesn’t feel Smith would be a slam dunk at 11, because of his slight of build, 175 lbs, yikes!


Marvin Harrison was tiny too
Just saying BPA doesn't tell you anything  
BillT : 1/15/2021 9:46 am : link
Yes, of course, BPA but even at 11 there will probably be a couple or a maybe few players graded the same or closely enough together that any of them would be considered BPA. There is still a choice to be made position wise.
Mock Draft  
stretch234 : 1/15/2021 10:30 am : link
Smith will not be there. Pitts can't and does not block at all. Paye would be an excellent pick

Despite the offensive woes, odds are the top 3 WR will be gone, as will the LB and likely 1 of the CB.

I could see Paye, whichever CB drops or even the top remaining OL.
Long tails  
Grizz99 : 1/15/2021 10:31 am : link
Dad loved the ponies. I was probably around 10 when he taught me how to read the sheets he would buy did gave all the records for the trotting horses. He'd study that damn thing for hours, go to the track and invest his money. My grandmother and her sister ( this on the maternal or Norwegian side) would hitch a ride with him out to the old Roosevelt Raceway whenever they could talk him into it. He had his sheets and hours of study, they had their own simpler system. Solveig and Tante Gunhilde spent their time (and their fading eyesight) figuring out which nag had the longest tail.
It annoyed Dad no end when their system out performed his.
Last time were in this positionwas was 2014.
The smart money had already taken Blake Bortles and Sammy Watkins. With the 12th pick we were looking at the dregs and had to decide between Aaron Donald, Odell Beckham jr. And Zack Martin.
It is an inexact science and subject 2 as much luck as skill
RE: At the risk of coming off  
Justlurking : 1/15/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15123248 joeinpa said:
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Clueless in regards to draft prospects, am I the only one that doesn’t feel Smith would be a slam dunk at 11, because of his slight of build, 175 lbs, yikes!


he's jerry rice. he has zero chance of being there at 11. He will prob go top 5.
RE: RE: I am truly amazed at the number of Giants fans  
Justlurking : 1/15/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15123133 BillT said:
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Engram was drafted as a pass catching flex TE who was supposed to be a nighmare matchup to defend AS A RECEIVER.

If you draft Pitts as a weapon and view him as (eventually) taking Engram's role... why give an F if he can block?



I give an F if he can block because we've just see 4 years of a "TE" that cant block. And a TE that can't block isn't a TE. (If you can tell me he can play WE I'm all in.)


he is a weapon. He is a mismatch nightmare. Unlike Engram he has great hands and is a tremendous route runner.
It would be hilarious if DG took Matt Jones  
gtt350 : 1/15/2021 10:48 am : link
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RE: Just saying BPA doesn't tell you anything  
JonC : 1/15/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15123274 BillT said:
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Yes, of course, BPA but even at 11 there will probably be a couple or a maybe few players graded the same or closely enough together that any of them would be considered BPA. There is still a choice to be made position wise.


It's often a response to those who seeing the biggest perceived hole on the roster and attempt to plug with the Giants first round pick, despite no idea of UFA additions, etc.
mock drafts are the most inefficient unnecessary and uninforming as  
plato : 1/15/2021 10:56 am : link
almost all political shows on TV. Waste of time and huge amounts of money and bear no resemblance to the real world. better to watch reruns of Giants games, watch players perform in the scheme, and try to learn how to watch football
RE: Pitts is a weapon  
Section331 : 1/15/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15123203 Justlurking said:
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Guys he’s a nightmare for defenses. He may be a WR in the NFL. Think Claypool. Sign me up


The problem with that thinking is that the skillsets for WR's and TE's are different. TE's aren't nearly as reliant on route-running as WR's, who are lined up against quick-twitch DB's. Claypool played WR at ND, you'd be taking a huge risk drafting a guy at 11 hoping he can do the job at WR.

If he's drafted at 11, he's playing TE, which means he won't be drafted at 11.
FA will directly  
MotownGIANTS : 1/15/2021 11:02 am : link
affect what we do @ 11 ... so all this is just darts in the dark at this point.

Considering WR looks to be the deepest FA position of need ... going WR @ 11 maybe fall in the order of things ... however BPA @ 11 is the most prudent want to go since we need a variety of pieces.

Realistically we are going to get a WR in FA with 8 guys under 30 becoming UFAs and the cap falling at least 3 hit the market ... with honorable mentions for Marvin Jones and YT Hilton for the 30+ guys ...

CB being such a need Surtain @ 11 is or R. Weaver who is going to fly up the charts in the combine and has the most consistent track record at DE .... too many 1 yr wonders in this draft


WR..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2021 11:06 am : link
is not a very deep FA class at all.

It is very deep in the draft though.
As long  
darren in pdx : 1/15/2021 11:06 am : link
as they are a plus player I’m happy. Personally I’d go with the best available WR or pass rusher, but I’d also accept a CB or RT as they are also huge needs.
Pitts Highlights  
Thegratefulhead : 1/15/2021 11:13 am : link
Go watch and get back to me. Normally. I don't like highlight reel stuff but for Pitts it is worth it. He makes contested catches. He catches the ball with dominance. If it is in the air, the ball is his and he will prove it. It's 3rd down and everyone is covered, I'm throwing it to him expecting a first down. That good.
We need a home run this off-season  
UberAlias : 1/15/2021 11:15 am : link
Don’t be picky here. Get us a stud, I don’t care what position, we can use it anywhere. Our biggest need is playmakers. Period.
The projections are all over the place.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/15/2021 11:20 am : link
Outside of Lawrence, it's very hard to guess who will be picking (since trades are likely) and what direction they'll go. If the Jets don't want a QB they almost have to trade down, because someone will overpay for that #2 overall pick. If the Jets DO draft a QB, there will probably be a run on QBs and that will push prospects at other positions down the board.

A lot of mock drafts have Smith falling to 11, which seems nuts but isn't impossible. I would be fine with an elite defender at 11; there'll be very good WRs available in the 2nd and even 3rd.

As great as Pitts was this year, TE isn't where I'd use that first rounder, though I wouldn't complain about him in blue.

Random thought: I'd be surprised if the Giants don't pick a RB at some point to replace Lewis/Morris. Barkley/Gallman/rookie.
RE: The projections are all over the place.  
Thegratefulhead : 1/15/2021 11:31 am : link
In comment 15123435 81_Great_Dane said:
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Outside of Lawrence, it's very hard to guess who will be picking (since trades are likely) and what direction they'll go. If the Jets don't want a QB they almost have to trade down, because someone will overpay for that #2 overall pick. If the Jets DO draft a QB, there will probably be a run on QBs and that will push prospects at other positions down the board.

A lot of mock drafts have Smith falling to 11, which seems nuts but isn't impossible. I would be fine with an elite defender at 11; there'll be very good WRs available in the 2nd and even 3rd.

As great as Pitts was this year, TE isn't where I'd use that first rounder, though I wouldn't complain about him in blue.

Random thought: I'd be surprised if the Giants don't pick a RB at some point to replace Lewis/Morris. Barkley/Gallman/rookie.
Where do you think Najee Harris will be drafted?
Pre-FA Mocks  
BradberryGlue : 1/15/2021 11:34 am : link
Are even more worthless than worthless post-FA mocks.
Harris  
Thegratefulhead : 1/15/2021 11:35 am : link
looks like he will go too early. Maybe Williams from NC or Stevenson from OU.
RE: WR..  
MotownGIANTS : 1/15/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15123410 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is not a very deep FA class at all.

It is very deep in the draft though.



Golladay, Fuller, JuJu, Davis, Godwin, Robinson, Samuel, Hilton, Agholor and Jones are all UFAs that is pretty deep UFA selection.
RE: RE: WR..  
BradberryGlue : 1/15/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15123457 MotownGIANTS said:
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is not a very deep FA class at all.

It is very deep in the draft though.




Golladay, Fuller, JuJu, Davis, Godwin, Robinson, Samuel, Hilton, Agholor and Jones are all UFAs that is pretty deep UFA selection.


Will Fuller is the Evan Engram of WRs. If the Giants sign him Butter should be our new sponsor.
RE: RE: WR..  
JonC : 1/15/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15123457 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 15123410 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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is not a very deep FA class at all.

It is very deep in the draft though.




Golladay, Fuller, JuJu, Davis, Godwin, Robinson, Samuel, Hilton, Agholor and Jones are all UFAs that is pretty deep UFA selection.


There's talent/depth there, but you could argue there's no premier player in there worth the open market dollars they could command. There's a lot of warts.
RE: I love Mock Drafts becuase they are fun  
Alamo : 1/15/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15123165 jvm52106 said:
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and gives you some idea on what rumors might be out there about other teams interests. But, they are pretty worthless prior to FA and probably even more worthless in this Pandemic year offseason. There will be so much projection being done vs actual production that surprises will abound come draft time.

I agree with you 100%...If DG & JJ know almost for certain that they can sign a VG receiver in FA,the #11 pick should be for the Bama DB or a Edge rusher which is needed badly..

The Giants need a star player on defense and a few very sound borderline stud players on offense.

1981 the Giants offense was crap and our defense wasn't that bad. We took LT and the rest is history. Not saying there is an LT in this crop or even anyone close to that, just that we take the best player available regardless and go from there. FA is about getting guys you want for teh price you are willing to pay. The draft is evaluation, projection and ignoring positions (mostly) and taking the best guy available.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2021 12:00 pm : link
gun to your head, you think Golladay is a Giant?
I'm not a huge Davonte Smith fan  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/15/2021 12:04 pm : link
and I do think he will drop. I think he'll be there at 11 and there is a good chance the Giants pass on him for Chase or a player like Surtain.
ryan  
JonC : 1/15/2021 12:20 pm : link
I dunno, there's a lot to consider ... his injury in 2020, what's his value on the open market, is his head screwed on right, etc. He's really only had one big NFL season that would be commensurate with the type of money free agency tends to deliver. Does he want to play for a contender now or is the money more important. The fact it leaked the Giants wanted to trade for him would put him the watchlist, but we'll see what begins to leak out.
RE: ryan  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15123503 JonC said:
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I dunno, there's a lot to consider ... his injury in 2020, what's his value on the open market, is his head screwed on right, etc. He's really only had one big NFL season that would be commensurate with the type of money free agency tends to deliver. Does he want to play for a contender now or is the money more important. The fact it leaked the Giants wanted to trade for him would put him the watchlist, but we'll see what begins to leak out.

good stuff, thanks
Paye is a remote thrower...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2021 12:32 pm : link
I just don't see it with him, especially as a top of the first round selection. He seems much more project than stud-to-be. His family story is very interesting, btw...

I am very curious to see where Sy eventually has him ranked.
Paye looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
JonC : 1/15/2021 12:36 pm : link
need to watch more film.
RE: Paye looks like a 4-3 DE to me  
bw in dc : 1/15/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15123530 JonC said:
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need to watch more film.


Have you checked out Azeez Olujari, edge/LB out of Georgia?
no not yet, with a toddler at home not sleeping consistently yet  
JonC : 1/15/2021 12:45 pm : link
and working a consistent 55+ hours a week, my time's been really stretched.
Just somebody worthy of  
MarvelousMike : 1/15/2021 12:51 pm : link
a second contract. We have 3 of the last 6 #1 picks off the team and considered a bust with the 4th, EE maybe another one. This pattern makes building a successful playoff team very difficult. Not going to choose a WR, CB, Edge, or whomever as what is best at 11th pick.
RE: no not yet, with a toddler at home not sleeping consistently yet  
bw in dc : 1/15/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15123548 JonC said:
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and working a consistent 55+ hours a week, my time's been really stretched.


When my kids were young I would make them watch Youtube videos of draft prospects. That usually knocked them out very quickly... ;)
RE: no not yet, with a toddler at home not sleeping consistently yet  
Thegratefulhead : 1/15/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15123548 JonC said:
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and working a consistent 55+ hours a week, my time's been really stretched.
Too much JonC. My father worked that and more to retire early(50's). My mother died that year. He drank himself to death in the years after. Don't ignore the present.
Tyreek Hill  
jacob12 : 1/15/2021 2:14 pm : link
Tyreek Hill is the most explosive player in the NFL. He was 5-8-185 at the NFL Combine.
RE: Paye is a remote thrower...  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/15/2021 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15123525 bw in dc said:
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I just don't see it with him, especially as a top of the first round selection. He seems much more project than stud-to-be. His family story is very interesting, btw...

I am very curious to see where Sy eventually has him ranked.


Him, Rosseau, and Farley are on my do not want list. Can live with anyone else. I think mocks linking us to him is just lazy analysis and essentially linking DG to a guy like him.
FA WR  
stretch234 : 1/15/2021 2:38 pm : link
Robinson and Golliday are No1 guys. No other FA WR is that

Anything will be an upgrade over Tate

I don think they are signing the above 2, but somebody else is surely needed
In my opinion  
3rdnlong : 1/16/2021 10:34 pm : link
You take the best available player at 11. You do not reach or get pigeon holed into a position, or side of the ball.
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