Ryan Wilson (Jan 13th) has the Giants taking Michigan DL Kwity Paye at #11. Very fine player, only one problem: Why would anyone mock a defensive player going to the Giants when their offense is a first-class disaster?
Chris Trapasso (Jan 13th) has the Giants taking Florida TE Kyle Pitts at #11. Another very fine player. But the Giants need a bona fide 2-way TE who can seal the edge and also act as Daniel Jones' security blanket over the middle securing 10- yard catches in heavy traffic.
Josh Edwards (Jan 7th) has the Giants taking Alabama WR DaVonta Smith at #11. Only one problem: that was a pipe dream even before the national championship.
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Getting a defensive player at 11 is likely. The talent is there if we choose to go edge, ILB, or CB and potentially DL as well. Also, people always assume everything is linear. Just because our D played well overall last year doesn't mean they are going to continue to get better. During our losing streak after our winning streak the defense is also to blame for our loses. We played way too passive. Like everything in football teams will eventually figure you out and you have to adjust. We didn't. This team is in desperate need of more over guys and guys that can get to the QB. They don't grow on trees. So, no, the defense isn't some finished product and shouldn't be overlooked at number 11.
I am pretty certain that DG re-signs LW. He did not trade for him, have him show up as the player he though he would be, to let him walk away. 90% certain LW is a Giant next season. Unfortunately DT will be a casualty I believe.
They have BJ Hill and Johnson who played well and can likely sign a wide body in FA at 1/2 of DT cost.
I think Surtain and Farley are very much in play at #11 as are Pitts and one of the WRs. There will be a very good player(s) at #11.
What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??
Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.
I'm sure he can. Can he block a DE or 255lb OLB. That's the important question because we've just see how a "TE" who can't do that works.
I also assume LW will be signed, so I doubt an interior DL in 1st.
But Parson and either corner should be in play.
Do not see a game wreaking edge which is probably greatest need.
WR in 1st possibly but another deep WR class.....i would prefer
1st BPA.....which looks like a defensive player.
2nd ....several 2 way TE. I like the Penn St. Kid
Cluster draft WRs after that....
Hopefully find a gane wreaking Edge in FA. Bud Dupree dominated our game.
Getting a defensive player at 11 is likely. The talent is there if we choose to go edge, ILB, or CB and potentially DL as well. Also, people always assume everything is linear. Just because our D played well overall last year doesn't mean they are going to continue to get better. During our losing streak after our winning streak the defense is also to blame for our loses. We played way too passive. Like everything in football teams will eventually figure you out and you have to adjust. We didn't. This team is in desperate need of more over guys and guys that can get to the QB. They don't grow on trees. So, no, the defense isn't some finished product and shouldn't be overlooked at number 11.
Great post by Robbie shpuld be exhibit 1.
Whatever happened to the BPA litany on BBI, foisted upon all Giants fans ny Jerry Reese? Aside from not drafting an RB at 11 because one assumes Saquon returns in good health, ANY position on O could be considered - including QB (even though the team indicates they're committed to DJ.)
And any position on D, too, aside from safety where the trio of Peppers, Ryan and McKinney is truly set, with Love and pethaps Colbert as decent depth options.
CB and pass rushers are a desperate need, but will there be THE GUY there that warrants selection at 11?
And please, before anyone claims the presence of Evan Engram precludes drafting Kyle Pitts... Well just take a trip to the powder room on that idea.
Kyle Pitts would be a GREAT pick at 11, as would Surtain, or Parsons, or Sewell, or??? Any CB the Giants grade as a lock down guy.
What if DG doesnt sign either Tomlinson or Williams? Ballz, no one believes that can happen, but what if?
Never say "they hafta grab such and such a position", it's pure foolishness.
I will say however the one guy I am leery about is Waddle.
Engram was drafted as a pass catching flex TE who was supposed to be a nighmare matchup to defend AS A RECEIVER.
But he doesn't catch the ball well. Not consistently when wide open, nor better than 50/50 when well covered because of his great hands and "big body" vs a typical DB.
If you draft Pitts as a weapon and view him as (eventually) taking Engram's role... why give an F if he can block?
Seriously, what y'all thinking? Gronks dont grow on trees, I'll happily take a Tony Gonzolas clone at 11!
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Can’t make a 10 yard catch in heavy traffic?
I'm sure he can. Can he block a DE or 255lb OLB. That's the important question because we've just see how a "TE" who can't do that works.
He’s 6’6” and 240 LBs. He’s a physical pass catcher that out muscles coverage. Florida didn’t need him to be an in line TE. If George Kittle can develop I’m confident Pitts can. I certainly wouldn’t dismiss him as a guy that can’t block.
Getting a defensive player at 11 is likely. The talent is there if we choose to go edge, ILB, or CB and potentially DL as well. Also, people always assume everything is linear. Just because our D played well overall last year doesn't mean they are going to continue to get better. During our losing streak after our winning streak the defense is also to blame for our loses. We played way too passive. Like everything in football teams will eventually figure you out and you have to adjust. We didn't. This team is in desperate need of more over guys and guys that can get to the QB. They don't grow on trees. So, no, the defense isn't some finished product and shouldn't be overlooked at number 11.
Yea, if a Patrick Surtain II is still on the Board at 11, I wouldn't mind him at all.
He was at the top of my wish list too, but I just don’t see him getting past Carolina if he doesn’t go earlier. Perfect replacement for Kuechly. I think Dallas will most likely scoop up Surtain right before us, and I think at least 2 WRs go before us as well. I would be thrilled if we get Pitts and add one if ARob or Golladay this off season. Go edge RD 2 hoping a guy like Jones from Pitt is there or perhaps another piece to develop at CB.
What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??
Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.
More than happy to take DaVonta Smith at #11. He won't be there. I would take AMON-RA ST. BROWN, wide receiver out of USC who is taken #15 on Chris Trapasspo's mock draft.
True.
I'm gonna tweak that slightly. Pick the best player that fits your team. Judge has his vision for what he wants his team to look like and if you get a higher rated player but are worried how they will fit in with the team then I don't think Judge wants that and Gettleman would agree. We can look at Baker and say he was probably rated very highly because we traded up for him with other corners on the board but if Judge was the HC with Graham as DC instead of Shurmur and Bettcher would we still have made that move? I say no. I think Jduge values other things besides just what can this guy do for me on the field. And I don't blame Gettleman for what happened with Baker. You can't predict something that crazy but the laziness and ability to be coached were questions prior to the draft and those are things I think Judge will want to know more of before taking a player especially in the climate we are currently in with a lack of tape (video) of these players.
Engram was drafted as a pass catching flex TE who was supposed to be a nighmare matchup to defend AS A RECEIVER.
If you draft Pitts as a weapon and view him as (eventually) taking Engram's role... why give an F if he can block?
I give an F if he can block because we've just see 4 years of a "TE" that cant block. And a TE that can't block isn't a TE. (If you can tell me he can play WE I'm all in.)
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Can’t make a 10 yard catch in heavy traffic?
I'm sure he can. Can he block a DE or 255lb OLB. That's the important question because we've just see how a "TE" who can't do that works.
I don't know if Kyle Pitts can be a true 2-way TE in the NFL, but I know the Giants are desperate for one. So, if there's any question marks around Kyle Pitts' in-line blocking or taking a pounding over the middle, then maybe #11 is a bit too rich for selecting him.
He’s 6’6” and 240 LBs. He’s a physical pass catcher that out muscles coverage. Florida didn’t need him to be an in line TE. If George Kittle can develop I’m confident Pitts can. I certainly wouldn’t dismiss him as a guy that can’t block.
Florida may not have needed him as a blocker but we do. But you think he's going to "develop", huh? Isn't that just what was said about Engram as a blocker. And Kittle is 6'4" and 250lb. Completely different body type than Pitts.
What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??
Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.
Maybe I am reading it wrong but I assumed he meant that Smith would be long gone by our pick.
As to who or what to draft given the fact we have 6 picks and a ton of holes we should all hope this is the first year Gettleman actually trades down.
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Can’t make a 10 yard catch in heavy traffic?
I'm sure he can. Can he block a DE or 255lb OLB. That's the important question because we've just see how a "TE" who can't do that works.
I don't know if Kyle Pitts can be a true 2-way TE in the NFL, but I know the Giants are desperate for one. So, if there's any question marks around Kyle Pitts' in-line blocking or taking a pounding over the middle, then maybe #11 is a bit too rich for selecting him.
My point exactly. Replacing a one dimensional "TE" with another one-dimensional TE would personally drive me a little nuts.
The Giants need a star player on defense and a few very sound borderline stud players on offense.
1981 the Giants offense was crap and our defense wasn't that bad. We took LT and the rest is history. Not saying there is an LT in this crop or even anyone close to that, just that we take the best player available regardless and go from there. FA is about getting guys you want for teh price you are willing to pay. The draft is evaluation, projection and ignoring positions (mostly) and taking the best guy available.
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you say that the offense needs to be fixed and then you dismiss Smith as an option and you shit on the idea Pitts can be a difference maker.
What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??
Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.
Maybe I am reading it wrong but I assumed he meant that Smith would be long gone by our pick.
jvm52106 -- you're right. I tried to correct his misreading a few threads up at 8:32am.
From a roster building perspective, the Giants devoted picks last year to OL and defense back 7. This year, with how many picks they have they will likely focus on other position groups. Pretty sure they will draft either a WR or a TE.
What offensive players in the first round are going to make you happy??
Wait - Let me rephrase that - what offensive player do you want? We know you are fucking miserable so keep the happy designation out of it.
Fat, confused and miserable is no way to go through life, son.
Marvin Harrison was tiny too
Despite the offensive woes, odds are the top 3 WR will be gone, as will the LB and likely 1 of the CB.
I could see Paye, whichever CB drops or even the top remaining OL.
It annoyed Dad no end when their system out performed his.
Last time were in this positionwas was 2014.
The smart money had already taken Blake Bortles and Sammy Watkins. With the 12th pick we were looking at the dregs and had to decide between Aaron Donald, Odell Beckham jr. And Zack Martin.
It is an inexact science and subject 2 as much luck as skill
he's jerry rice. he has zero chance of being there at 11. He will prob go top 5.
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Engram was drafted as a pass catching flex TE who was supposed to be a nighmare matchup to defend AS A RECEIVER.
If you draft Pitts as a weapon and view him as (eventually) taking Engram's role... why give an F if he can block?
I give an F if he can block because we've just see 4 years of a "TE" that cant block. And a TE that can't block isn't a TE. (If you can tell me he can play WE I'm all in.)
he is a weapon. He is a mismatch nightmare. Unlike Engram he has great hands and is a tremendous route runner.
It's often a response to those who seeing the biggest perceived hole on the roster and attempt to plug with the Giants first round pick, despite no idea of UFA additions, etc.
The problem with that thinking is that the skillsets for WR's and TE's are different. TE's aren't nearly as reliant on route-running as WR's, who are lined up against quick-twitch DB's. Claypool played WR at ND, you'd be taking a huge risk drafting a guy at 11 hoping he can do the job at WR.
If he's drafted at 11, he's playing TE, which means he won't be drafted at 11.
Considering WR looks to be the deepest FA position of need ... going WR @ 11 maybe fall in the order of things ... however BPA @ 11 is the most prudent want to go since we need a variety of pieces.
Realistically we are going to get a WR in FA with 8 guys under 30 becoming UFAs and the cap falling at least 3 hit the market ... with honorable mentions for Marvin Jones and YT Hilton for the 30+ guys ...
CB being such a need Surtain @ 11 is or R. Weaver who is going to fly up the charts in the combine and has the most consistent track record at DE .... too many 1 yr wonders in this draft