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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:36 am
Dan Federico
@DanJFederico
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Asking around about SP asking prices, I’ve heard Corey Kluber is at $6M-$8M (plus incentives), James Paxton is around $12M and Tanaka’s is about $15M. Continue to hear the Yankees won’t go past the luxury tax so we’ll see how they address the rotation

-Dom Smith 2.55 arbitration reward

-Mets talking to Hand and Wilson per Heyman

-IFA's can officially sign today. The Mets are not expected to sign any of the top 50. IFA pool room they don't use is lost and does not roll over to 2022. 2022 IFA signing date will remain January 15
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:45 am : link
Terrible 2020 so the cost would presumably be very low but a guy like Carlos Estevez would be worth a flier via trade. 10+ k/9 the last 2 seasons. 97.4 MPH on his FB career dayum
Brad  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:46 am : link
Hand a Met, per Ken Rosenthal. Nice.
a lefty is all they really need in the pen  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 8:50 am : link
would be happy with either Wilson or Hand. That would leave the bullpen with Diaz, May, Lugo?, Wilson/Hand, Familia, Betances, Wilson, Barnes, Brach, Castro, and McWilliams. Obviously they won't be able to keep them all. I don't want to rehash things again today, but it makes the Castro for Kevin Smith swap all the more perplexing.

RE: Brad  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15123141 DanMetroMan said:
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Hand a Met, per Ken Rosenthal. Nice.


Nice! Wonder if they got him cheaper than the $10 million if they got him off waivers.
Hopefully  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:51 am : link
Hand is 1+1 or 2 years.
RE: a lefty is all they really need in the pen  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15123152 KDavies said:
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would be happy with either Wilson or Hand. That would leave the bullpen with Diaz, May, Lugo?, Wilson/Hand, Familia, Betances, Wilson, Barnes, Brach, Castro, and McWilliams. Obviously they won't be able to keep them all. I don't want to rehash things again today, but it makes the Castro for Kevin Smith swap all the more perplexing.


McWilliams likely opens in AAA. Obviously a huge spring changes things.
RE: Brad  
Metnut : 1/15/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15123141 DanMetroMan said:
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Hand a Met, per Ken Rosenthal. Nice.


Awesome. Some concern with him declining, but he was still pretty good last year (over 1 WAR as a reliever in a shortened season).

Makes our pen better.

So far I’m a fan of the new ownership if for no other reason to see Dan excited and making daily Mets posts in January. I was worried we were going to lost him if Brodie kept trading the farm away in stupid deals.
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:53 am : link

Britt Ghiroli
@Britt_Ghiroli
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5m
Is it possible "that's so Mets" is becoming a positive thing?
RE: Hopefully  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15123154 DanMetroMan said:
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Hand is 1+1 or 2 years.


Other than the volatility of relievers, what is the concern with giving Hand more than 2 years? I know you've mentioned this before with him. Is there a particular issue with him?
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pjcas18 : 1/15/2021 8:54 am : link
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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If completed, deal expected to be for two years.
Deal is two years per Rosenthal  
Metnut : 1/15/2021 8:55 am : link
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RE: Brad  
debo_GIANTS : 1/15/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15123141 DanMetroMan said:
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Hand a Met, per Ken Rosenthal. Nice.


I like the move, Hand fits like a glove!
RE: RE: Brad  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15123162 Metnut said:
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In comment 15123141 DanMetroMan said:


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Hand a Met, per Ken Rosenthal. Nice.



Awesome. Some concern with him declining, but he was still pretty good last year (over 1 WAR as a reliever in a shortened season).

Makes our pen better.

So far I’m a fan of the new ownership if for no other reason to see Dan excited and making daily Mets posts in January. I was worried we were going to lost him if Brodie kept trading the farm away in stupid deals.


I truly lost my interest in the Mets at the end. It became "reflex" to read about them etc but it wasn't much fun. I would never root for another team but I drifted toward just enjoying the league overall. So exciting to have that excitement back. I have zero doubt in this FO/ownership.
Some  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:56 am : link
(such as Olney) are suggesting the Jays may ramp up their Springer pursuit thanks to DJL coming back to NYY. I bet we have a Springer resolution within the next 10 or so days.
Good  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 8:59 am : link
piece on the pros and cons of Hand
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Good  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15123179 DanMetroMan said:
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piece on the pros and cons of Hand Link - ( New Window )


good read. Thanks. Interesting even with those issues, he still had a 2.05 ERA and .77 WHIP last year
Welp  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:09 am : link

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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4m
Correction: Mets engaged on Hand and in discussions, but two other sources say my initial report is inaccurate and the two sides are not close to a deal at this time. Mets have been interested in Hand since Indians declined his option.
Rare fuck up  
Metnut : 1/15/2021 9:12 am : link
from Rosenthal
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:12 am : link

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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4m
The #WhiteSox pick up a couple of outfielders: Sign Cuban outfielder Yoelqui Cespedes, the half brother of Yoenis Cespedes, to a $2.05 million deal, per
@JesseSanchezMLB
. They also sign former #Phillies outfielder Nick Williams to a minor-league deal worth $900K if in big leagues
RE: Welp  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15123196 DanMetroMan said:
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Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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4m
Correction: Mets engaged on Hand and in discussions, but two other sources say my initial report is inaccurate and the two sides are not close to a deal at this time. Mets have been interested in Hand since Indians declined his option.


Well, it was an exciting two minutes.
Athletic banner said Hand is close  
jpkmets : 1/15/2021 9:16 am : link
Gotta think this means springer is likely out (sadly, as I really liked him).

Anyway, Mets desperately need one more starter before the season. There’s just not enough to go all year with SP’s coming off 80inning seasons, IMO.

Obviously want Bauer, but kluber is an interesting choice as well.


Anyone with general thoughts on innings limits this year? Ar SP’s gonna be targeted for their usual load after 30% of normal last year? Can’t see that there isn’t some attempt to aim for 160 rather than 200.

Adding May and Hand (and hopefully getting Wilson back) is a great hedge.

Still need a starter tho.

Of course Cohen could say F’it and target springer and Bauer and just become a 105 win projected team.
some times  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2021 9:16 am : link
these premature stories have a way of pushing the two sides together to get something done.

well done Rosenthal.
Olney  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:17 am : link
confirms "not close"
If there’s no DH, we really need another OF  
Metnut : 1/15/2021 9:20 am : link
Smith/Nimmo/Conforto is a really bad defensive OF and starting Davis at 3B compounds the defense problem.

Mets have as much high-end talent as anyone at the moment, but we don’t want to have huge gaping holes that could threaten to sink the whole operation.
DJL  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:25 am : link
got 5 or 6 years, no way the Mets were really involved there.
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:53 am : link
Sounds like @mets are not in on Oscar Colas should he sign during the current (2020-2021) signing period #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 9:59 am : link
Due to position?? I was less obsessed with Colas as some other recent big-name IFA's the best sat out but he would have been a solid add. Would love to see them engage Arias in the upcoming period. Strongly rumored he's headed to NYY
Braves  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 10:23 am : link
are seemingly in on a bunch of decent pieces, they were in on DJL and are speaking to a few others.
DJ contract is interesting  
JB_in_DC : 1/15/2021 10:32 am : link
more years than expected but AAV seems very low. Wonder what this means (if anything) for a Springer contract.
RE: DJ contract is interesting  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15123345 JB_in_DC said:
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more years than expected but AAV seems very low. Wonder what this means (if anything) for a Springer contract.


Hard to say given the fact it was clear he wanted to stay with NYY
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Named Later : 1/15/2021 10:38 am : link
I'm unclear as to how the Mets missed out entirely on the IFA signing period. Is it because MLB moved the window ?? Or did the previous front office just drop the ball ?? It's not like you save money by not signing players -- Use it or Lose it.

There's talent to be found in this market.
RE: ..  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 10:44 am : link
In comment 15123356 Named Later said:
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I'm unclear as to how the Mets missed out entirely on the IFA signing period. Is it because MLB moved the window ?? Or did the previous front office just drop the ball ?? It's not like you save money by not signing players -- Use it or Lose it.

There's talent to be found in this market.


It's not the first one. The period was moved BACK 6 months so agreements were made, just not announced. The pool money not spent as you said, is simply lost. This seems to be a Brodie/Wilpon final gift.
Walker's  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 10:55 am : link
2020 was UGLY in terms of his percentile rankings, even lower on him than before
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Kluber  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:08 am : link
expected to sign with someeone by Monday per Morosi
RE: Walker's  
Eric on Li : 1/15/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15123391 DanMetroMan said:
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2020 was UGLY in terms of his percentile rankings, even lower on him than before Link - ( New Window )


Check out Zack Wheeler's 2017 (first year back from 2 year TJS) numbers compared to 2018.

Walker threw 14 innings in the 2 full seasons prior to this past season. Making 11 starts and posting semi-comparable numbers to his prior best (2017) is what's meaningful. And honestly his statcast #'s in 2017 weren't particularly better then either.

no 2 players have the same talent or respond the same way to injury, but it's possible Walker has upside beyond what he showed this past year if his body continues responding as it gets further from the surgery. Some guys come back from TJS right away and others need more time. He's still only 28 so I think he's a worthy dice roll depending on cost.

He's only 3 years older than Peterson and was pretty much better across the board last year. He'd be a nice fit to bring to ST to compete with both Matz/Peterson and would have at least even up odds to beat out both.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/zack-wheeler-554430?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb - ( New Window )
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:31 am : link
Walker's stats nearly across the board were worse in 2020 than even his career Marks. Other than getting very lucky (BABIP) what could you point to? Higher BB/9, higher HR/9, worse GB% than his career marks. I know you keep coming back to Wheeler for some reason but Walker has ONE season in his career where he was league average. What in the numbers suggests he should be a target? His age is the only positive he has against the rest of the field.
PS  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:34 am : link
his velocity was in line with his 2017 season (his one good season), as was his slider. He very clearly "is what he is". A low upside backend SP. Steamer, ZIPS, Bats all "hate" him FWIW. He was 2 years out from his April 2018 TJ, so not sure why he'd suddenly show more.
any theories on what happened to Matz?  
Dr. D : 1/15/2021 11:35 am : link
well thought of and showed promise at one time. I don't know jack, but seems to me some of it is in his head. The way he gets so rattled when things don't go well, as compared to deGrom who becomes a ferocious bulldog w RISP. Thoughts?
RE: any theories on what happened to Matz?  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15123453 Dr. D said:
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well thought of and showed promise at one time. I don't know jack, but seems to me some of it is in his head. The way he gets so rattled when things don't go well, as compared to deGrom who becomes a ferocious bulldog w RISP. Thoughts?


Part of it is likely mental as he completely unravels whenever something goes against him. But he also did a far better job keeping the ball in the park earlier in his career. First 183 innings pitched (6+22) he allowed less than 1 HR/9, since that time he's closer to 1.5./9. His FB was above average by pitch value his first 2 seasons, it's been below the last 4.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 1/15/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15123443 DanMetroMan said:
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Walker's stats nearly across the board were worse in 2020 than even his career Marks. Other than getting very lucky (BABIP) what could you point to? Higher BB/9, higher HR/9, worse GB% than his career marks. I know you keep coming back to Wheeler for some reason but Walker has ONE season in his career where he was league average. What in the numbers suggests he should be a target? His age is the only positive he has against the rest of the field.


He posted his best K rate (8.44 k/9). That's not nothing and that's a fairly solid number.

Random meaningless fact - it's actually the exact same K-rate Wheeler posted in 2017 (though that wasn't Wheeler's best to that point).

Again, not trying to beat this horse to death or anything, but that K rate and his decent walk rates tell me his stuff isn't terrible and he has decent control. Add in a little upside due to his age and more time removed from the injuries and of all the options out there he's just more appealing if they can get him on a creative deal of some kind. He is a full year younger than Matz.
Gsellman  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:42 am : link
settles for 1.3
Subway Series  
BradberryGlue : 1/15/2021 11:44 am : link
Excellent shot at a Subway Series this year. Over the next 5 years I'll be shocked if it does not happen at least once.

Mets have more competition, NL has some pretty top notch teams in the Dodgers, Padres, and Braves, but I think they will be right on that level if DeGrom and Syndegard are healthy come October.

They should really pay Trevor Bauer over George Springer if both are not an option.
RE: RE: Eric  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15123460 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15123443 DanMetroMan said:


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Walker's stats nearly across the board were worse in 2020 than even his career Marks. Other than getting very lucky (BABIP) what could you point to? Higher BB/9, higher HR/9, worse GB% than his career marks. I know you keep coming back to Wheeler for some reason but Walker has ONE season in his career where he was league average. What in the numbers suggests he should be a target? His age is the only positive he has against the rest of the field.



He posted his best K rate (8.44 k/9). That's not nothing and that's a fairly solid number.

Random meaningless fact - it's actually the exact same K-rate Wheeler posted in 2017 (though that wasn't Wheeler's best to that point).

Again, not trying to beat this horse to death or anything, but that K rate and his decent walk rates tell me his stuff isn't terrible and he has decent control. Add in a little upside due to his age and more time removed from the injuries and of all the options out there he's just more appealing if they can get him on a creative deal of some kind. He is a full year younger than Matz.


Eric.. he posted 8.44... career 8.17, given the shortened season... that's not exactly something that gives much hope. I have a very hard time giving credit for upside for players who have both "okay" stuff and have never shown themselves to flash this upside. In his "best" season his FIP was still mediocre (4.04). If that's his "upside" vs. his floor.. not particularly good.
btw I'd 100% take Hand over Walker (and obviously Springer too)  
Eric on Li : 1/15/2021 11:45 am : link
and probably Kike Hernandez or Wong as well. so he's not exactly high on the priority list.

He's just at the top of the FA SP options that will presumably be taking low risk deals because he's got youth and I see some potential upside. Sort of like Wacha last year.
IFA  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:45 am : link
signings rolling in, as expected the Mets did not sign any big bonus IFA's, none in the top 40 expected per Badler.
Waiting  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 11:54 am : link
on the Lindor arb figure
40  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 12:21 pm : link
minutes to go
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 12:25 pm : link
confirmed IN on Kluber.
Going  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 12:32 pm : link
to arbitration with Lindor wouldn't be a great way to start off the relationship. Hopefully something gets done.
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 12:33 pm : link

Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Multiple sources maintain that the Mets are still a ways off from a deal with lefty reliever Brad Hand. Clearly there is mutual interest here, and the Mets could use some left-handed balance for their bullpen. But we will have to wait to see what unfolds.
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DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 2:03 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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Sources: The #BlueJays remain in contact with multiple top free agents -- Trevor Bauer, J.T. Realmuto, and George Springer -- after failing to lure DJ LeMahieu from the #Yankees.
@MLBNetwork

@MLB
Hoping the blue jays  
CMicks3110 : 1/15/2021 2:10 pm : link
Pay a boatload for Realmuto
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 2:33 pm : link
likely to pass on Kluber
7  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 2:45 pm : link
million for Diaz
RE: Mets  
Rory : 1/15/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15123630 DanMetroMan said:
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likely to pass on Kluber


Not advocating they do this but would be fun to watch the Mets and Yankees get in bidding war on Kluber and this time Mets win.
RE: RE: Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15123663 Rory said:
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likely to pass on Kluber



Not advocating they do this but would be fun to watch the Mets and Yankees get in bidding war on Kluber and this time Mets win.


Oh that’s coming up. Maybe not this off-season and likely not this player but it is
avoided arbitration with Lindor  
KDavies : 1/15/2021 7:04 pm : link
$22.3 million
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