Seems to be the #1 FA TE on the market this year. He’s only 26 years old. How would you feel if he was targeted by the Giants prior to the draft? According to Spotrac his market value is about 9M/year. Worth it? Link - ( New Window )
You'd pass up on a 2 year, $18m with say $12m guaranteed? What's the risk?
Not going to give this guy $40m guaranteed but there's tons of wiggle room I imagine, especially with the decreased cap hitting these new contract pretty hard I would imagine.
For comparison Austin Hooper got $42m over 4 years with $23m guaranteed and that was pre-covid.
Problem is we have bigger needs at #1 WR and EDGE. Expect one to be a FA splash like WR Robinson or EDGE Dupree. The other our first rounder. And of course the team may well want to keep both Williams and Tomlinson. So it's unlikely we would 'shoot our wad' on a TE, which is less of a necessity than those other positions. Just my take.
Would fit easily into Engram's $6m cap slot. I like him but folks saying he's not a good blocker. Anyone have something to back that up. He's got the size (Unlike Engram.)
Would fit easily into Engram's $6m cap slot. I like him but folks saying he's not a good blocker. Anyone have something to back that up. He's got the size (Unlike Engram.)
I think he's probably in the same realm but he's bigger so I guess more potential. But i'd be on board if he just makes those catches, its a 2 game swing easy.
Ertz is expecting to be released for the Eagles. Its a dream season if you have cap space. Jags will load up with their owner and the arrival of Lawrence and Urban Meyer
he's also more of the athletic pass catcher/weaker blocker type, but I think he's overall higher upside
Although I suspect he'll be similar price range to Henry
I realize the masses want to not only dump Engram, but take him out back and shoot him, but the reality is unless we find a trade partner for him, we're probably looking at 1 more year of him, since he's affordable.
And the next Bavaro isn't growing on a tree nearby
Better size than Engram, better red zone threat, not a speedster but not slow at all and with good explosive cuts. He is a also a more savvy football player (than EE) that has played numerous positions in developing thru high school and college before landing at TE.
Plenty of reports you can find that describe him a pretty sturdy blocker so not sure why the comments above saying otherwise.
Giants need to lay out some strategies for Free Agency to add playmakers to the offense in the event the draft doesn't fall their way. Henry could be one of those despite a higher price tag.
if you sign HH - I think the Giants are already on the hook for EE next year at 6 mil (even if you trade him..correct? + you have Toilolo at $3 mil for next year. IF you add the market price of HH at $9 mill...
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
so that most of his money comes from game bonuses, so if he's hurt he doesn't get paid.
You might as well just say no. That proposal (and many others here) is laughable.
Hunter isn’t much better than Engram if he’s any better at all. We have bigger fish to fry.
Also, if you’re going to eliminate any player that has suffered an injury or two you’re not signing anyone. And guys that never got hurt can still get hurt. Need to be wary of the chronically injured knee or back but these guys that suffer an injury here or there and then play a full seaaon are just as risky as any “healthy” player. When will some of you learn that?
if you sign HH - I think the Giants are already on the hook for EE next year at 6 mil (even if you trade him..correct? + you have Toilolo at $3 mil for next year. IF you add the market price of HH at $9 mill...
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
Engram can be cut or traded before sometime in March and the Giants are rid of his salary.
would suggest TE is right up there as well. You may want to build the team differently which is fine but TE is not a bad spot for some more focus.
Toilolo is ridiculously overpaid for his value and will be cut. Smith's blocking was insanely bad when reviewing those Weekly OL videos. And Engram is simply not a football player and most likely needs a change of venue.
If (and i say if) you can trade Engram then Henry should be a clear target in free agency.
if you sign HH - I think the Giants are already on the hook for EE next year at 6 mil (even if you trade him..correct? + you have Toilolo at $3 mil for next year. IF you add the market price of HH at $9 mill...
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
Engram can be cut or traded before sometime in March and the Giants are rid of his salary.
spend our FA $ on trying to re-sign both LW and DT. Iknow it will be difficult but I would like to keep our DL together moving forward. Get it done Kevin Abrams....
so that most of his money comes from game bonuses, so if he's hurt he doesn't get paid.
You might as well just say no. That proposal (and many others here) is laughable.
Hunter isn’t much better than Engram if he’s any better at all. We have bigger fish to fry.
Also, if you’re going to eliminate any player that has suffered an injury or two you’re not signing anyone. And guys that never got hurt can still get hurt. Need to be wary of the chronically injured knee or back but these guys that suffer an injury here or there and then play a full seaaon are just as risky as any “healthy” player. When will some of you learn that?
If Henry says no, I'm cool with that, I'm with you on bigger fish to fry. However if the Giants offered the most money (structured if he's available for games) he might decide to bet on himself and say yes.
I also agree you've got to risk injuries with any player you sign but some players are more injury prone than others. I think the best offseason move the Giants made was not signing Clowney, and Henry's injury history mirror's Clowney's.
1 - Big cat $$$$
2 - FA WR (low end 1st tier, or 2nd tier) $$$
3 - Tomlinson if possible $$$
( at this point we are probably out of cap space, considering the cuts we are likely to make, no restructures, lower cap number, and needing still to resign our own FA's )
Then we get to a FA TE.
So, IF we can fit a TE, it would have to be a low end guy.
As much as I HATE the move, they will probably extend EE to lower his cap number for 2021 but in a way that they can cut him next year with lesser impact.
Look for the Giants to make KG an offer and add a TE in the draft.
A 3rd down RB is also a priority.
Galloway has played with an Absolute Gunslinger...and He looks great in a football Uniform---but he's not a star. Why?! He has much lower luster than he did at the beginning of the year.
But no question he'd be perfect for this team as far as skillset. And if we cut Engram for him it would be around a $3m difference which is worth it.
Depends on the years/guarantees though.
You'd pass up on a 2 year, $18m with say $12m guaranteed? What's the risk?
Not going to give this guy $40m guaranteed but there's tons of wiggle room I imagine, especially with the decreased cap hitting these new contract pretty hard I would imagine.
For comparison Austin Hooper got $42m over 4 years with $23m guaranteed and that was pre-covid.
I think we address the passrush in the mid rounds of the draft and some savy vet signings at OLB.
I think he's probably in the same realm but he's bigger so I guess more potential. But i'd be on board if he just makes those catches, its a 2 game swing easy.
Jon, replacing Engram with Henry is cap neutral. Would that make a difference for you.
Although I suspect he'll be similar price range to Henry
I realize the masses want to not only dump Engram, but take him out back and shoot him, but the reality is unless we find a trade partner for him, we're probably looking at 1 more year of him, since he's affordable.
And the next Bavaro isn't growing on a tree nearby
If they're hellbent on getting a UFA receiver, go get Allen Robinson.
I'm curious to see how a reduced salary cap will trickle down to individual contracts.
Plenty of reports you can find that describe him a pretty sturdy blocker so not sure why the comments above saying otherwise.
Giants need to lay out some strategies for Free Agency to add playmakers to the offense in the event the draft doesn't fall their way. Henry could be one of those despite a higher price tag.
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especially considering the cap picture.
Jon, replacing Engram with Henry is cap neutral. Would that make a difference for you.
It's not though
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especially considering the cap picture.
Jon, replacing Engram with Henry is cap neutral. Would that make a difference for you.
It's not though
Actually it is. You can fit the first year of a even a average backloaded $10/12m/per contract into a $6m slot quite easily. It basic cap structuring.
I like Jonnu Smith too. Not the big playmaker but good enough and a good blocker.
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
You might as well just say no. That proposal (and many others here) is laughable.
Hunter isn’t much better than Engram if he’s any better at all. We have bigger fish to fry.
Also, if you’re going to eliminate any player that has suffered an injury or two you’re not signing anyone. And guys that never got hurt can still get hurt. Need to be wary of the chronically injured knee or back but these guys that suffer an injury here or there and then play a full seaaon are just as risky as any “healthy” player. When will some of you learn that?
I like Henry, but his injury would make #1 TE free agent $$ risky.
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
Engram can be cut or traded before sometime in March and the Giants are rid of his salary.
Toilolo is ridiculously overpaid for his value and will be cut. Smith's blocking was insanely bad when reviewing those Weekly OL videos. And Engram is simply not a football player and most likely needs a change of venue.
If (and i say if) you can trade Engram then Henry should be a clear target in free agency.
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if you sign HH - I think the Giants are already on the hook for EE next year at 6 mil (even if you trade him..correct? + you have Toilolo at $3 mil for next year. IF you add the market price of HH at $9 mill...
At that price - you're allocating $18 mil to your TEs.
Granted - it's only for one year...but still...
The most reliable of the bunch, Kaden Smith, is gonna cost you 675k by the way.
Engram can be cut or traded before sometime in March and the Giants are rid of his salary.
Thank you BillT!
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so that most of his money comes from game bonuses, so if he's hurt he doesn't get paid.
You might as well just say no. That proposal (and many others here) is laughable.
Hunter isn’t much better than Engram if he’s any better at all. We have bigger fish to fry.
Also, if you’re going to eliminate any player that has suffered an injury or two you’re not signing anyone. And guys that never got hurt can still get hurt. Need to be wary of the chronically injured knee or back but these guys that suffer an injury here or there and then play a full seaaon are just as risky as any “healthy” player. When will some of you learn that?
If Henry says no, I'm cool with that, I'm with you on bigger fish to fry. However if the Giants offered the most money (structured if he's available for games) he might decide to bet on himself and say yes.
I also agree you've got to risk injuries with any player you sign but some players are more injury prone than others. I think the best offseason move the Giants made was not signing Clowney, and Henry's injury history mirror's Clowney's.
A 3rd down RB is also a priority.
2 - FA WR (low end 1st tier, or 2nd tier) $$$
3 - Tomlinson if possible $$$
( at this point we are probably out of cap space, considering the cuts we are likely to make, no restructures, lower cap number, and needing still to resign our own FA's )
Then we get to a FA TE.
So, IF we can fit a TE, it would have to be a low end guy.
As much as I HATE the move, they will probably extend EE to lower his cap number for 2021 but in a way that they can cut him next year with lesser impact.
A 3rd down RB is also a priority.
Yeah - Dion Lewis looks to be done. He was a liability out there this season.
Really good point.
A 3rd down RB is also a priority.
Galloway has played with an Absolute Gunslinger...and He looks great in a football Uniform---but he's not a star. Why?! He has much lower luster than he did at the beginning of the year.