Hope Giants go after Curtis Samuel

He is from Brooklyn. He is a good friend of mine's nephew. It would be cool to see him as a Giant

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so I'm looking at his size and stats and I do have questions as it seems like a redundancy to what we have. Again, this is my limited knowledge of him so these questions aren't doubting but trying to understand better.

- As a 3rd down back, is he that much of an improvement pass blocking to Saquon. We need to expect Saquon to come back close to healthy and I'm hoping that we keep Galman. Galman should get enough carries in early downs to keep Saquon fresh and I want Saquon to be used in the open fields. I know the popular narrative is that Saquon can't pass protect but it wasn't an issue at all in his rookie year. Was an issue in his injured year and in limited time this year. If Samuel isn't a significant upgrade pass blocking, I'd prefer to have Saquon out there.

- What is his best wide receiver position? From a size standpoint it would appear to be slot. He is definite a speed upgrade and I don't think Sheppard is amazing but I don't think that is our position of need. I do think we need more speed at WR but we also need more size and ability to catch contested balls. So the next question is how good is he on the outside?

In comment 15124019 ripdumaine said:

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He is from Brooklyn. He is a good friend of mine's nephew. It would be cool to see him as a Giant

My friend was his teacher and raved about this kid. Makes sense if we had interest.

And now I suspect he looks for another team where he’s got a much better shot at being the starter, or at least would share more of the workload than he will with Saquon back. He’s earned it

Thusly, I think RB is more of a need than we’ve maybe considered this off-season. Samuel fits well as you guys state, and we probably look both mid round of draft and free agency for more depth

Player you drafted at #2.
He has the potential to be the best receiving back in the sport. Let him prove it. He isn’t going to earn a mega contract if he can’t pass block and play on 3rd down.

Samuel may be a nice backup, like Gallman is, if Barkley is out again, but he shouldn’t get much playing time if Barkley is upright.

Barkley can be healthy all year? What makes you believe that? Look at his resume......

He has to be a top target with the way this team works

-Versatile
-need position
-Gettleman connection
-NY connection

Has he played RB in the NFL? From my understanding he is a WR and not a 3rd down back.

He can be a very valuable part of the offense, in the role where Tate mostly failed. That’s only one of several holes in a terrible offense, and might not be the best use of limited resources; but yes, he is an obvious target.

As for the idea of Samuel as a third-down back, I guess the fact that they signed Lewis while Barkley was healthy suggests that the role exists as a complement to Saquon. It is not, however, a high-value role that calls for a significant investment, unless Barkley’s post-surgery role will be scaled back substantially. So a big contract for Samuel would mostly reflect his value at WR, with a bit extra for his capabilities as a runner and third-down back.

A mediocre slot receiver with ties to DG. Aim higher.

You ever heard of guys like Steve Smith Victor Cruz and Sterling Sheppard.. Samuel ain’t anything special I don’t see what’s the obsession with obtaining him, I rather go in another direction

And its not like they aren't warranted, but the sentiments sound desperate indeed.

And that also tells you something about the guys putting together this roster in such a cohesive manner.

DJ needs more playmakers, starting with a true #1 WR that doesn't have the drops. Need to also draft a WR capable of being a #2 to acquire some depth. Tired of seeing mediocre WRs out there that can't get separation and drop the ball. A real #1 threat will make WRs #2 (Shep) and #3 (Slayton/draft pick) more impactful as well.

is a huge hole on this team. We need to start separating what Barkley really is from what we hope(d). Barkley was a poor pass blocker and that was before the knee injury, which he will be worked back slowly from.

Dion Lewis is cooked. The Giants need to find a reliable pass block RB to shoulder the load (no pun intended) until Barkley's ready to resume his bell cow status.

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"I think he's gone from being sort of an outside receiver to an all-purpose, all over the field type of guy. As I've said all year, he makes all the blocks, catches the ball, controls the middle of the field, runs the football, catches the ball out of the backfield. He's so tremendously versatile that people have a hard time distinguishing what personnel we are in. Are they in three receivers or two backs because of his ability to do both. I just think he's a dynamic player and is really dependable as well. I think he's tremendously reliable for us."

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He is one of there top FA targets. He was drafted by the panthers and I believe DG was the GM then. If he liked him then, he'd like him now! Samuel is an explosive player.

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....but my concern is that this team needs a traditional WR, which he is not. Samuel might be more of a luxury.

I think Samuel would be ideal if they already had a #1 receiver on the roster. It seems like Shepard and Samuel have overlapping skill sets, and they would be used in a redundant way.

One of Jones strengths is throwing the ball down field. They didn’t do that as much of that last season because they didn’t have the players to complete those types of passes. Instead they try to work underneath, and it limited them. For as much as I like Samuel as a player, I’m just not sure he would help with that weakness.

Giants need a legit #1.

on a #1 WR like ARob, Godwin or Golladay. I think the Giants will either use a mid round pick on a RB or bring in a low-tier FA to fill the back up role this year.

In comment 15124059 robbieballs2003 said:

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Has he played RB in the NFL? From my understanding he is a WR and not a 3rd down back.

Don’t be confused you’re exactly right.

May not love him, but he’s yet to establish himself as a star and he’s a bigger, physical outside WR that fits a need here. DG supposedly showed interest. This is the guy the giants go after and they will draft a WR relatively early even if they land the FA.

Size isn’t everything but Samuel seems more a shepard type than an outside type. We have those guys already.

likely is moving on from the Panthers. But he's not a 3rd down back. He's a slot/inside WR more than anything else. He's been used as a #1, a #2 and the slot in his time in Carolina and has done best in the slot. They will run him on reverses and inside handoffs, but he's not a RB at all.

as a RB. So that's why the Panthers have used him more and more on running plays.

In comment 15124059 robbieballs2003 said:

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Has he played RB in the NFL? From my understanding he is a WR and not a 3rd down back.

You are not confused. Most everyone posting above you is.

In comment 15124059 robbieballs2003 said:

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Has he played RB in the NFL? From my understanding he is a WR and not a 3rd down back.

I was thinking the same thing. He’s a wide receiver who was drafted in the second round. His best season was 2020 with 851 yards and 3 TD’s. He did run the ball 41 times this year vs his previous season high of 19 rushes. I am assuming they played him more at RB due to CMC missing most of the season. Especially when you consider how much they like to throw it to RB’s in that offense. It is tailored toward CMC’s strengths.

That being said he’s not a third down back. He is a WR who can run some reverses and gadget plays. I’d sign him for the right price, but let’s not confuse his impact with that of signing a true #1 WR.

of a traditional WR, one w size.

I'd rank the FA targets as:

Top Tier:
Allen Robinson
Chris Godwin
Kenny Goliday

2nd tier:
Corey Davis

3rd tier:
Tim Patrick
Kendrick Bourne
Damiere Byrd
Rashad Higgins
Cam Sims

The Patriots have always had that kind of player.. James White, Danny Woodhead, Dion Lewis..

I dont think he is the answer at WR.. but he could be a piece.

In comment 15124185 NYG22 said:

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of a traditional WR, one w size. I'd rank the FA targets as: Top Tier: Allen Robinson Chris Godwin Kenny Goliday 2nd tier: Corey Davis 3rd tier: Tim Patrick Kendrick Bourne Damiere Byrd Rashad Higgins Cam Sims

Agree with you. However, if those top tier guys don’t work for us $$ wise, I have no issue picking up Samuel and then drafting a guy like Smith or Chase in round 1. Smith is a pipe dream at 11, but Chase could be there. I’m concerned with the cap reduction that signing LW and possibly Tomlinson will eat up everything we have. I know a lot on here are like just cut Solder and his 16.5 cap hit. The problem is they would eat 10.5 million of dead money and would only save $6 million. If they had a RT waiting to take over that would be ok. But unless they think Peart is ready for prime time next year they would have to sign someone else for less than 6 million to realize any cap savings. I have a feeling Solder will be back at RT.

He lined up as a WR 90% of his snaps. He's better than any WRs we have now. We should try to address our #1 WR in the draft, but he'd be a great signing.

Limited inexpensive free agent another mediocre piece to add to the bunch

In comment 15124044 Ivan15 said:

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Player you drafted at #2. He has the potential to be the best receiving back in the sport. Let him prove it. He isn’t going to earn a mega contract if he can’t pass block and play on 3rd down. Samuel may be a nice backup, like Gallman is, if Barkley is out again, but he shouldn’t get much playing time if Barkley is upright.

Every time Barkley is asked to block is a waste of his talents. Right now a health Barkley is the best receiver on the team. How many times does Julio jones block on a pass play?

It's why I want Jason Garrett gone. He has no idea how to use Barkley. Yes it was a small sample size but I saw nothing to suggest that he does.

Putting him opposite Slayton will force teams to play their safeties back which will help Saquon.
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In comment 15124063 MtDizzle said:

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A mediocre slot receiver with ties to DG. Aim higher.

I'm with you. You can talk yourself into liking him because of the speed and versatility, but he doesn't really do anything to address the real need at WR.

Shepard should be the slot guy. That's where he's best, and he's a good player there. This team needs boundary receivers, and Samuel isn't that.

In comment 15124197 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 15124185 NYG22 said: Quote: of a traditional WR, one w size. I'd rank the FA targets as: Top Tier: Allen Robinson Chris Godwin Kenny Goliday 2nd tier: Corey Davis 3rd tier: Tim Patrick Kendrick Bourne Damiere Byrd Rashad Higgins Cam Sims Agree with you. However, if those top tier guys don’t work for us $$ wise, I have no issue picking up Samuel and then drafting a guy like Smith or Chase in round 1. Smith is a pipe dream at 11, but Chase could be there. I’m concerned with the cap reduction that signing LW and possibly Tomlinson will eat up everything we have. I know a lot on here are like just cut Solder and his 16.5 cap hit. The problem is they would eat 10.5 million of dead money and would only save $6 million. If they had a RT waiting to take over that would be ok. But unless they think Peart is ready for prime time next year they would have to sign someone else for less than 6 million to realize any cap savings. I have a feeling Solder will be back at RT.

High probability Chase goes before Smith. I think they are both gone by 11, but if I'm a betting man, I'd bet Smith would make it to 11 before Chase.

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In comment 15124299 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15124197 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 15124185 NYG22 said: Quote: of a traditional WR, one w size. I'd rank the FA targets as: Top Tier: Allen Robinson Chris Godwin Kenny Goliday 2nd tier: Corey Davis 3rd tier: Tim Patrick Kendrick Bourne Damiere Byrd Rashad Higgins Cam Sims Agree with you. However, if those top tier guys don’t work for us $$ wise, I have no issue picking up Samuel and then drafting a guy like Smith or Chase in round 1. Smith is a pipe dream at 11, but Chase could be there. I’m concerned with the cap reduction that signing LW and possibly Tomlinson will eat up everything we have. I know a lot on here are like just cut Solder and his 16.5 cap hit. The problem is they would eat 10.5 million of dead money and would only save $6 million. If they had a RT waiting to take over that would be ok. But unless they think Peart is ready for prime time next year they would have to sign someone else for less than 6 million to realize any cap savings. I have a feeling Solder will be back at RT. High probability Chase goes before Smith. I think they are both gone by 11, but if I'm a betting man, I'd bet Smith would make it to 11 before Chase.

I’d take either honestly. I figured Smith would go super high after that blowup first half against OSU. I kind of see two different paths at WR. We either sign Robinson or Golladay and go with the speedster Waddle in the draft. Or we pick up a guy like Samuel to be the speedster in FA and aim for Smith or Chase in round 1 to be the #1 WR type. We’ll see what they end up doing, I’m sure it will be neither one of those scenarios lol.

with Samuel being the #1 for us.

i'm all about Samuels. i think he just makes sense for us.

but i don't think Samuels is a #1.

i also don't think Robinson, Golladay, etc aren't guys we should throw the bank at.

Get samuels, draft a WR AND a RB. use the rest of the cap to lock up current giants.

In comment 15124236 DannyDimes8 said:

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Limited inexpensive free agent another mediocre piece to add to the bunch

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Are you just a dupe?

You are the most miserable person on here and should and enjoy like some

In comment 15124376 Platos said:

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with Samuel being the #1 for us. i'm all about Samuels. i think he just makes sense for us. but i don't think Samuels is a #1. i also don't think Robinson, Golladay, etc aren't guys we should throw the bank at. Get samuels, draft a WR AND a RB. use the rest of the cap to lock up current giants.

I don't think he's a #1 anywhere and also don't think he's a good fit for us. Why would you bring in a slot receiver when you already have a BETTER slot receiver in Sterling Shepard. And Shepard is a better slot receiver than Samuel. The Giants need to be looking for solutions to keep Shep in the slot where he belongs, not players that would push him back to the outside. And no, I don't think it makes the Giants better to have Samuel out of the backfield for a half-dozen plays or so a game, taking Saquon out of there. I'm sure you can devise plays with both of them on the field, but why would you pay a guy good free agent money for this kind of role? You can draft a guy in the 5th round or something and try to put him in that kind of situation, sure. But you're not going to pay Curtis Samuel $6 or $7M per year to do that.

It's a square peg in a round hole.

I think the whole “Giants need to avoid guys like Samuel/Godwin and sign a traditional WR” take is blown out of proportion

Tyreek Hill scored more TD’s than any other WR did and he’s not tthe traditional 6 foot plus X WR.

At the end of the day it comes down to can the WR get open/beat the guy lining up across from him and can he make things happen after the catch. Samuel produced at a great mark in the final 8 games of the year and seems to be an ascending talent that would definitely provide the Giants a major boost.

Aim higher fellas. No more pedestrian WRs. We need an alpha.

In comment 15126260 Breeze_94 said:

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I think the whole “Giants need to avoid guys like Samuel/Godwin and sign a traditional WR” take is blown out of proportion Tyreek Hill scored more TD’s than any other WR did and he’s not tthe traditional 6 foot plus X WR. At the end of the day it comes down to can the WR get open/beat the guy lining up across from him and can he make things happen after the catch. Samuel produced at a great mark in the final 8 games of the year and seems to be an ascending talent that would definitely provide the Giants a major boost.

Samuel has 19 TDs in 53 career games. This was his best season and he scored 3 times on 77 catches, and twice on 41 rushes. Last year he received 105 targets and caught 54 of them. I suppose if you've been terrible the previous 3 years and had a respectable season this year, that's an "ascending" talent. I do not believe he would provide the Giants a major boost, though.