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3rd Round Compensation Picks for Losing an Assistant Coach

M.S. : 1/16/2021 7:05 am

Who becomes a Head Coach or GM. This is based on the new NFL minority hiring initiative.

See second paragraph from GBN Draft Report; here is an excerpt:

GBN Draft Report (January 15, 2021 - 11:49 am): "Lost in the spate of G.M. and coaching signings over the past couple of days is the fact that the LA Rams and San Francisco became the first teams to acquire compensatory 3rd round picks in both 2021 and 2022 as a result of the NFL’s new minority hiring initiative.

If I'm reading this correctly, had our defensive coordinator, Patrick Graham, been hired as an NFL Head Coach, the Giants would have received end of 3rd Round comp picks in successive years!

I'm a big fan of our defensive coordinator, so the NFL can keep their picks. But, wow, could the Giants use those picks!

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False.

robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2021 7:16 am : link

The assistant that gets hired must have been in the organization fir w consecutive years. Graham was only here for one. If we lost him we wouldn't have gotten anything. If he leaves next year then we would get a 3rd round pick in consecutive years. Still seems very racial to me. I am not a fan of the rule.

For 2 consecutive

robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2021 7:16 am : link

...

And probably a reason

johnnyb : 1/16/2021 7:57 am : link

for the Giants keeping Graham off the market this year.

RE: False.

BigBlueShock : 1/16/2021 8:50 am : link

In comment 15124027 robbieballs2003 said:

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I kind of agree with this. I understand what they are doing but I can also see situations where it could hurt a minorities chances. For example, let’s say Dallas fires McCarthy after next season and Graham is a candidate. How motivated would they be to hire Graham and hand the Giants two 3rd round picks? If Graham is head and shoulders above all other candidates, sure they may be willing to take that chance. But if the candidates are close, a division rival getting two 3rd round comp picks just may be the deciding factor and cost Graham a job.

Maybe that won’t be an issue at all, but I can certainly see that happening at some point, though we will never know the truth behind the decisions

I get what you are saying

UConn4523 : 1/16/2021 8:58 am : link

but third round picks shouldnt come between you and the most important hiring decision you make as an owner or GM. That said the rule for me is somewhat unethical and opens the door for a lot of scrutiny. Just seems like an idea that was thrown at the wall without much thinking.

BigBlueShock

M.S. : 1/16/2021 9:17 am : link

I might be wrong, but I don't think teams surrender 3rd round picks.

These are awarded by the NFL as end-of-third-round comp picks!

the generic discussion

fkap : 1/16/2021 9:35 am : link

was here a month or so ago.

in counterpoint to not wanting a division rival to get additional draft picks is the notion that teams are now more likely to hire minority assistants with compensation in mind should those assistants later be hired away.

I believe there are additional compensations should teams lose more than one assistant and/or the lost assistant turn around and poach from the prior team, but can't remember details.

RE: BigBlueShock

BigBlueShock : 1/16/2021 9:46 am : link

In comment 15124069 M.S. said:

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I might be wrong, but I don't think teams surrender 3rd round picks.

These are awarded by the NFL as end-of-third-round comp picks!

Yeah, I know that. They are comp picks. My point was teams may be reluctant to reward a division rival two 3rd round comp picks by hiring a guy if the competition is close with another candidate. I didn’t mean to suggest that the team would be giving up the picks if that’s how you read it. My apologies

The right coach is even

Giantimistic : 1/16/2021 9:48 am : link

more valuable than a 1st round draft pick. A team is not going to not hire a coach because of some 3rd draft picks. However, I do like the incentive approach to teams increasing their amount of minority coaches. This gets teams to look outside of their normal networks and to give consideration to more minority candidates and to develop more minority candidates.

BBS - the disincentive to hire a minority assistant

BelieveJJ : 1/16/2021 9:49 am : link

from a team in your own division might be offset by your desire to potentialy weaken that team by swiping their best AC?

Besides, that affects only 3 of the 31 teams.

Not sure what to think of the plan. The societal goal should be much more simple - like that we all should stop seeing other human beings as anything BUT another human being.

Color shouldn't define a damn thing.

I think it’s only a matter of WHEN

GoDeep13 : 1/16/2021 1:29 pm : link

Not IF Graham gets a HC job. So I think we’ll be getting those picks regardless.

Dont love this rule

cpgiants : 1/16/2021 3:40 pm : link

But it will definitely increase diversity and lead to more minority coordinators.
Two 3rd round picks are a big deal.

The fact we need to bribe teams to hire black coaches

SleepyOwl : 1/16/2021 10:44 pm : link

Makes absolutely ZERO sense to me in a 13 billion dollar industry where winner takes most.
It’s also very patronizing. Now an organization has to wonder if a potential “minority,” candidate has a great recommendation based on merit or return value of draft picks. Just awful all the way round.