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Matt M. : 1/16/2021 11:35 am
I'm a little late to the game here. I just finished season 3 after binging the entire series over the last month and curious to see what others think.

From a nostalgia perspective, it's fun, especially interweaving the 80s soundtrack. For me, Johnny makes the show and the scens with him and Daniel are good. For the rest, I find it meh. The all out karate brawls with all the students seem ridiculous. And nobody ever calls the cops?

It's been fun to see some of the original cast brought back here and there. I must say, Elizabeth Shue looks amazing. She was a crush in the 80s and still has it.

Martin Cove looks weird to me. He's clearly had some work done and it doesn't really fit the character. But he's good at playing a dick.
Overall, I find it entertaining ing, but could also do without it. I'll at least see where season 4 goes.

Was this born out of an old video or article about Daniel Larusso being a dick?
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One of the best shows going  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2021 11:49 am : link
It checks every box and doesn’t take itself too seriously. Sure, it’s corny and the fights aren’t realistic, but that’s a small gripe for me.

How they brought back the original characters, even the small ones had been so fun to watch. I do think season 4 should end it, and I’m excited to see how that goes. Purposely not posting details as I don’t know if this is a spoiler free thread or not.
Gotta be one of my favorite shows out now  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/16/2021 11:54 am : link
Just knows exactly what it is and plays on that. It’s pretty much a soap opera for men at this point and that’s completely cool with me. Has me constantly cracking up with the ridiculousness and cheese. I think the fight scenes being so corny is part of the charm.
Johnny Lawrence makes the show  
halfback20 : 1/16/2021 11:56 am : link
As good as it is. Its obviously not realistic at all and the huge karate brawl scenes are dumb, but I like the overall story. I hope for another season.
Some of those fights last a little long.  
State Your Name : 1/16/2021 12:01 pm : link
Like Peter Griffin vs Chicken long.

My wife and I binged it......and then watched the movies again  
GiantBlue : 1/16/2021 12:04 pm : link
I recommend watching the movies first...because it gives an interesting perspective to the relationship angle: Daniel & Johnny & Creese.

The karate scenes at the end of Season 2 in the school jump the shark as does the scene at Daniel's house.....but overall it is an interesting look at what became from what was.

I look forward to season 4
It was an over the top idea to begin with (the show)  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2021 12:12 pm : link
and it calls back to the 80s and all of the over the top pop culture (action movies, music, clothing, etc). I think these fight scenes are an extension of that and of course increase the drama. If the tones the fights down I think they would to make the show more serious, which would defeat the purpose.
RE: Gotta be one of my favorite shows out now  
BigBlueShock : 1/16/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15124181 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Just knows exactly what it is and plays on that. It’s pretty much a soap opera for men at this point and that’s completely cool with me. Has me constantly cracking up with the ridiculousness and cheese. I think the fight scenes being so corny is part of the charm.

I agree with this 100%. I’ve found myself cracking up way more than I thought I would. Johnny’s innocent ignorance is hysterical. And anyone that tunes in to see realistic fight scenes is probably watching for the wrong reasons. I never expected anything remotely realistic in that area after seeing the movies years ago. I enjoyed it immensely. Not because it was a masterpiece but moreso because it was a nice flashback to an incredibly popular movie from a time when things were much simpler for most of us
Ali is still a smokeshow for sure  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/16/2021 12:16 pm : link
Question for season 4 - Does Hilary Swank get called up!!!!
RE: It was an over the top idea to begin with (the show)  
BigBlueShock : 1/16/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15124202 UConn4523 said:
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and it calls back to the 80s and all of the over the top pop culture (action movies, music, clothing, etc). I think these fight scenes are an extension of that and of course increase the drama. If the tones the fights down I think they would to make the show more serious, which would defeat the purpose.

Yep. Exactly
it's not about karate  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2021 12:19 pm : link
so yeah the fight scenes are mostly cartoonish choreographed dancing, so if you're watching for the karate you will be disappointed.

it's such a great show, especially for people who watched the original movies, the story of redemption is really amazingly pulled off.
Elizabeth Shue  
ATL_Giants : 1/16/2021 12:30 pm : link
great in The Boys also
I thought it really...  
Ryan : 1/16/2021 1:09 pm : link
...started off well even beyond nostalgia but the season 2 climax was more like a shitty off-Broadway musical with no music. Same with season 3.

Not a fan of some of the casting choices for the kids but probably consciously type-cast for anyone who's go young(er) kids and saw them repeatedly. Peyton List going from Emma Ross to broken badass just didn't work (probably not the best timing getting bolt-ons between season 2 and 3 considering where the story line was as well). Tanner Buchanan is also seared in my mind as Chad Brad Bradley Dance Team Captain from Fuller House too - not badass.

I think my favorite underrated part - to avoid spoilers - is a certain characters ongoing problems being technologically illiterate. The overseas part too.
Agree with the criticisms  
allstarjim : 1/16/2021 1:12 pm : link
Really like the call backs to the original movies. BTW, I always thought Kumiko>Ali, and not a slight to Ali.

I think the storylines of Daniel still trying to learn lessons from Mr. Miyagi and seeking his guidance to help his family and save his business...as well as the storyline in overcoming the friction with Johnny and helping Robbie and Miguel, those storylines are highpoints of the show. But the storylines involving the students' feuds with each other, anything involving Daniel's daughter, and the ridiculous fight scenes...they are the low point.
RE: Agree with the criticisms  
Matt M. : 1/16/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15124245 allstarjim said:
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Really like the call backs to the original movies. BTW, I always thought Kumiko>Ali, and not a slight to Ali.

I think the storylines of Daniel still trying to learn lessons from Mr. Miyagi and seeking his guidance to help his family and save his business...as well as the storyline in overcoming the friction with Johnny and helping Robbie and Miguel, those storylines are highpoints of the show. But the storylines involving the students' feuds with each other, anything involving Daniel's daughter, and the ridiculous fight scenes...they are the low point.
Kumiko is the only old character I still can't recognize, even knowing it'sthe same actress. Her face looks completely different.
It's corny as hell  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2021 2:57 pm : link
but I love this show. Johnny Lawrence is clearly the best character and I look forward to season 4. It was a cool decision to have ALi(Elizabeth Shue) be the person that brings Johnny and Daniel together after she was the main reason why they became enemies to begin with.
looks like they're building towards  
Enzo : 1/16/2021 3:25 pm : link
bringing Terry Silver in for season 4. Hopefully Mike Barnes is involved as well. That said, I'm still waiting for Dutch from the original.

Overall, it's basically a Disney channel teen show....except the teens are actively trying to maim each other. Mix in some 80s nostalgia and you have a show that many adults and kids are watching.
They should fit a cameo for Hillary Swank somewhere  
jnoble : 1/16/2021 3:29 pm : link
She was in 1994's The Next Karate Kid which didn't do well but I think was underrated plus she looked pretty sexy in it. I haven't seen her in much of anything lately
RE: I thought it really...  
BigBlueShock : 1/16/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15124243 Ryan said:
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...Peyton List going from Emma Ross to broken badass just didn't work (probably not the best timing getting bolt-ons between season 2 and 3 considering where the story line was as well).

This explains it! Haha. I’m not even sure at what point is was (likely the minute season 3 started if this is true) but I remember watching an episode at some point and thinking “damn, she’s got some nice tits. How have I not noticed those before? Have they always been that big?”. The bolt ons between seasons makes sense now
Funny this thread was started,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/16/2021 3:41 pm : link
just yesterday, I purchased all of the Karate Kid movies on Youtube. Gonna watch them soon before I start and finish Cobra Kai. I'm really looking forward to it. Have heard great things. I've seen all the movies, but haven't seen them in years, so gonna catch up on them again before I start Cobra Kai. I've had a crush on Elisabeth Shue since Adventures in Babysitting and seeing some photos of her on Cobra Kai recently, she still looks pretty damn good. She was near perfection in the 80's/90's, though, at least for me.
RE: Funny this thread was started,  
Matt M. : 1/16/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15124331 Dave in Hoboken said:
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just yesterday, I purchased all of the Karate Kid movies on Youtube. Gonna watch them soon before I start and finish Cobra Kai. I'm really looking forward to it. Have heard great things. I've seen all the movies, but haven't seen them in years, so gonna catch up on them again before I start Cobra Kai. I've had a crush on Elisabeth Shue since Adventures in Babysitting and seeing some photos of her on Cobra Kai recently, she still looks pretty damn good. She was near perfection in the 80's/90's, though, at least for me.
She looks almost exactly the same
Good fun.  
Beezer : 1/16/2021 8:05 pm : link
Dumb and campy but why not! Agree, Johnnie IS the show, nod to Daniel.

I’m not yet into Season 3 but it’s on my to-do list. Looking forward to it.
Yeah, Lawrence does make the show,  
barens : 1/16/2021 9:56 pm : link
Machio is hard to look at, he’s so goofy. But still an incredibly entertaining and nostalgic show.
I give this series an A  
SomeFan : 1/16/2021 10:02 pm : link
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RE: Yeah, Lawrence does make the show,  
Beezer : 1/16/2021 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15124815 barens said:
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Machio is hard to look at, he’s so goofy. But still an incredibly entertaining and nostalgic show.


True. But it doesn’t work without both together. I knew nothing about the series when I started and it was a really pleasant surprise to find myself naturally liking and rooting for Johnnie.
Absolutely  
Andrew in Austin : 1/16/2021 11:22 pm : link
loved it. Super campy and it knows what it is. They really are trying to make those final fight sequences bigger than the previous seasons. Utterly ridiculous, but therein lies the charm . . .
RE: RE: Yeah, Lawrence does make the show,  
Matt M. : 1/17/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15124963 Beezer said:
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Machio is hard to look at, he’s so goofy. But still an incredibly entertaining and nostalgic show.



True. But it doesn’t work without both together. I knew nothing about the series when I started and it was a really pleasant surprise to find myself naturally liking and rooting for Johnnie.
It's fun to root for Johnny. Like I said in the original post, it reminds me of a video I watched years ago called something like Daniel Larusso is a Dick, making a case that he was the instigator and bully. This kind of does the same by seeing things through Johnny's eyes. And, it is fun.

The all out 20 person fight scenes, to me are too much. The show is campy and then you have these brutally violent and bloody, poorly choreographed all out fights. Nobody called the cops when 10 thugs break into your home and start a brutal fight, breaking shit up? But, the rest of the show is just really enjoyable.
I loved the first two seasons  
Essex : 1/20/2021 9:25 am : link
it is not a good show in any traditional sense in terms of plot and acting and writing, but it is a fun show and that counts. I thought the third season started off slowly and really was a bad season until Daniel got back from Japan and the last four or five episodes really got back to the winning formula that the first two seasons had. It really was a clever idea to do the show (especially the first season) through Johnny's eyes and when the show gets back to that, it really is good. For instance, at first I thought the date between Johnny and Alli was stupid. From the Karate Kid, he abused her and was such an ass, but then again they were each others first loves and we see it from the fallout, we never see it from what it was before they broke up. In other words, there was a true bond and the show tapped into it. I thought maybe the execution of them repeating Daniel and Alli's date at that golfing place was a little clumsy, but overall I though the scene worked because maybe Alli and Johnny had this special bond that when you look it through Johnny's eyes, Daniel was the bad guy. Anyway, besides the first half of season three, it is just a ton of fun and can't wait for more seasons.
RE: looks like they're building towards  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 10:07 am : link
In comment 15124312 Enzo said:
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bringing Terry Silver in for season 4. Hopefully Mike Barnes is involved as well. That said, I'm still waiting for Dutch from the original.


They wanted to include both Dutch and Terry Silver, but Chad McQueen and Thomas Ian Griffith both declined.
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Stu11 : 1/20/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15128773 Greg from LI said:
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bringing Terry Silver in for season 4. Hopefully Mike Barnes is involved as well. That said, I'm still waiting for Dutch from the original.



They wanted to include both Dutch and Terry Silver, but Chad McQueen and Thomas Ian Griffith both declined.

Reading a chat with the creators they wouldn't comment on actors from the movies that haven't been on the series, but you have to figure with they way they ended season 3 Thomas Ian Griffith has to be in the mix for season 4 especially with the Kreese phone call. The reporter interviewing them did bring up Dutch and they were nebulous but did say they have gone through a lot of scenarios, him included. I guess all we're missing are Ally's bitchy obnoxious GF's from HS lol.
May very well be the case for the next season  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 10:29 am : link
But both declined when asked to appear in the past seasons. That's why Dutch was said to be in prison when Johnny went on the road trip with his old Cobra Kai pals.
the phone call  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2021 10:30 am : link
was to the buddy from Viet Nam who owed him. It might be a known actor, but it won't be someone from the original movies most likely.
RE: I loved the first two seasons  
Stu11 : 1/20/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15128706 Essex said:
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it is not a good show in any traditional sense in terms of plot and acting and writing, but it is a fun show and that counts. I thought the third season started off slowly and really was a bad season until Daniel got back from Japan and the last four or five episodes really got back to the winning formula that the first two seasons had. It really was a clever idea to do the show (especially the first season) through Johnny's eyes and when the show gets back to that, it really is good. For instance, at first I thought the date between Johnny and Alli was stupid. From the Karate Kid, he abused her and was such an ass, but then again they were each others first loves and we see it from the fallout, we never see it from what it was before they broke up. In other words, there was a true bond and the show tapped into it. I thought maybe the execution of them repeating Daniel and Alli's date at that golfing place was a little clumsy, but overall I though the scene worked because maybe Alli and Johnny had this special bond that when you look it through Johnny's eyes, Daniel was the bad guy. Anyway, besides the first half of season three, it is just a ton of fun and can't wait for more seasons.

Agree 100% with most of this. Didn't love the end of season 2 and the first few of season 3 but the Okinawa episode was my favorite of the whole series. An interview I saw with the creators they mentioned something that really made me think. They put a ton of thought and work into the Miagi letters to Kumoiko's aunt. They really wanted it to sound like Miagi and they nailed it especially with the "I heard that in a car commercial " joke at the end. That was so Miagi. I agree I wasn't into the Ally/Johnnie date at first but it really worked and the points you brought out were spot on about their relationship. I also thought it was a great touch clarifying the Daniel/Ally UCLA guy breakup story from Ally's side instead of the quick Daniel re-cap we got at the beginning of Karate Kid 2.
RE: the phone call  
Stu11 : 1/20/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15128814 UConn4523 said:
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was to the buddy from Viet Nam who owed him. It might be a known actor, but it won't be someone from the original movies most likely.

It was Silver. The frail scared guy captured with him in his platoon was Silver from karate kid 3. He says to him as they were rescued that he owed Kreese for the rest of his life.
How could you not be into the Ally Johnny  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2021 10:37 am : link
date at Golf n' Stuff?

It WAS the Ally Daniel date, but with Johnny "the loser" instead of Daniel the loser.

It helped show the script flipped.

Even later, showing Johnny with the mini van was sort of reminiscent of Mrs. Larussa and the beat up station wagon and seeing Johnny embarrassed about it lines up too.


RE: RE: I loved the first two seasons  
Essex : 1/20/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15128817 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15128706 Essex said:


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it is not a good show in any traditional sense in terms of plot and acting and writing, but it is a fun show and that counts. I thought the third season started off slowly and really was a bad season until Daniel got back from Japan and the last four or five episodes really got back to the winning formula that the first two seasons had. It really was a clever idea to do the show (especially the first season) through Johnny's eyes and when the show gets back to that, it really is good. For instance, at first I thought the date between Johnny and Alli was stupid. From the Karate Kid, he abused her and was such an ass, but then again they were each others first loves and we see it from the fallout, we never see it from what it was before they broke up. In other words, there was a true bond and the show tapped into it. I thought maybe the execution of them repeating Daniel and Alli's date at that golfing place was a little clumsy, but overall I though the scene worked because maybe Alli and Johnny had this special bond that when you look it through Johnny's eyes, Daniel was the bad guy. Anyway, besides the first half of season three, it is just a ton of fun and can't wait for more seasons.


Agree 100% with most of this. Didn't love the end of season 2 and the first few of season 3 but the Okinawa episode was my favorite of the whole series. An interview I saw with the creators they mentioned something that really made me think. They put a ton of thought and work into the Miagi letters to Kumoiko's aunt. They really wanted it to sound like Miagi and they nailed it especially with the "I heard that in a car commercial " joke at the end. That was so Miagi. I agree I wasn't into the Ally/Johnnie date at first but it really worked and the points you brought out were spot on about their relationship. I also thought it was a great touch clarifying the Daniel/Ally UCLA guy breakup story from Ally's side instead of the quick Daniel re-cap we got at the beginning of Karate Kid 2.


I also thought the story that Alli said made sense because it was so "Daniel"; a hot head who overreacts. Remember his reaction to the Country Club scene and how he would not talk to Alli again until her friend filled her in on what had really happened. So, it was true to the original and Daniel's personality.
RE: How could you not be into the Ally Johnny  
Essex : 1/20/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15128824 pjcas18 said:
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date at Golf n' Stuff?

It WAS the Ally Daniel date, but with Johnny "the loser" instead of Daniel the loser.

It helped show the script flipped.

Even later, showing Johnny with the mini van was sort of reminiscent of Mrs. Larussa and the beat up station wagon and seeing Johnny embarrassed about it lines up too.


I can only speak to myself, but the fact that the did a Lightbox sketch at first seemed really like stepping on sacred ground of the original. You could get the same point across without totally desecrating the source material. However, in the end, I thought it worked because it stayed true to the Johnny POV that Cobra Kai gets at.
RE: RE: the phone call  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15128819 Stu11 said:
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was to the buddy from Viet Nam who owed him. It might be a known actor, but it won't be someone from the original movies most likely.


It was Silver. The frail scared guy captured with him in his platoon was Silver from karate kid 3. He says to him as they were rescued that he owed Kreese for the rest of his life.


Ohhhhhh, I didn't realize that was silver. It will be the original actor (if he changes his mind) or a recast.
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Stu11 : 1/20/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15128827 Essex said:
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I also thought the story that Alli said made sense because it was so "Daniel"; a hot head who overreacts. Remember his reaction to the Country Club scene and how he would not talk to Alli again until her friend filled her in on what had really happened. So, it was true to the original and Daniel's personality.

Yep the country club scene was perfect right up to Johnny coming in dressed in white and right at the second Danirl and Ally were hugging and him almost getting run over by the pasta guy. Perfect reverse of KK1
Huh,  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2021 11:11 am : link
Dutch (Chad McQueen) has a son named Steven R. McQueen, who is also an actor, with his ex-wife who later married NHL HOFer Luc Robitaille.
Johnny was obviously  
Enzo : 1/20/2021 11:23 am : link
an iconic villain, Tommy had the memorable line (body bag), Bobby was conflicted, but Dutch was just full on badass. I hope he comes back at some point. To this day it bugs me that we didn't get more of the Daniel vs. Dutch tournament match. They only showed one point.
show is everything I want it to be  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/20/2021 12:37 pm : link
campy, fun, nostalgic, and hits the right notes. Billy Zabka is great in this role.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on here-- the actress who plays Kumiko aged incredibly well. She is gorgeous.
Plus, Dutch had his nickname on the bracket board  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 12:48 pm : link
Everyone had last names - LaRusso, Lawrence, Brown - but he was just Dutch.

RE: Plus, Dutch had his nickname on the bracket board  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2021 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15128982 Greg from LI said:
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Everyone had last names - LaRusso, Lawrence, Brown - but he was just Dutch.



I always thought that was his last name. He doesn't have a first/last name, it's just Dutch.
RE: show is everything I want it to be  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15128972 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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campy, fun, nostalgic, and hits the right notes. Billy Zabka is great in this role.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on here-- the actress who plays Kumiko aged incredibly well. She is gorgeous.


I was shocked. Spoilers for anyone that haven't watched:





When he goes to Japan I figured he'd run into someone from KK2, but honestly didn't think it would be an original actor. That was the turning point of the season and arguably the best episode of the series (along with the main Ali episode). Just so damn well done. And yes, I was shocked at how good Kumiko looked.
it works better  
Enzo : 1/20/2021 12:55 pm : link
as just "Dutch". If his first name was Phil or whatever it's not nearly as cool.
I suppose it could be his last name  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 12:57 pm : link
But have you ever heard of anyone with Dutch as a last name?
agreed that Kumiko was gorgeous  
LG in NYC : 1/20/2021 1:57 pm : link
and I was further surprised after checking IMDB that she has been an active actress in the US for years... it is not as if they found her working at a Japanese Walmart.

Love this show so much. so campy and so well done.
I think one of the brilliant aspects of the show  
Stu11 : 1/20/2021 2:49 pm : link
Is how they kept Mr. Miyagi's presence alive without him being there. The letters scene was such compelling tv. Really brought out how he himself was kind of lost before he met Daniel. He was such a driving force behind the movie series, like Mick was in the Rocky movies. It's easy to bring back old clips or sayings but it's harder to bring back the actual presence the way they have.
RE: I suppose it could be his last name  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15129003 Greg from LI said:
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But have you ever heard of anyone with Dutch as a last name?
Plus, didn't hawk have just Hawk on the board in season 1, mirroring Dutch in the original movie.
RE: I think one of the brilliant aspects of the show  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15129160 Stu11 said:
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Is how they kept Mr. Miyagi's presence alive without him being there. The letters scene was such compelling tv. Really brought out how he himself was kind of lost before he met Daniel. He was such a driving force behind the movie series, like Mick was in the Rocky movies. It's easy to bring back old clips or sayings but it's harder to bring back the actual presence the way they have.
Excellent point. They have picked the right scenes at the right times and even the retelling of experiences has done an excellent job of keeping Miyagi's spirit to be a big part of the story. It is not an easy task, but they pulled it off.
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