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Matt M. : 1/16/2021 11:35 am
I'm a little late to the game here. I just finished season 3 after binging the entire series over the last month and curious to see what others think.

From a nostalgia perspective, it's fun, especially interweaving the 80s soundtrack. For me, Johnny makes the show and the scens with him and Daniel are good. For the rest, I find it meh. The all out karate brawls with all the students seem ridiculous. And nobody ever calls the cops?

It's been fun to see some of the original cast brought back here and there. I must say, Elizabeth Shue looks amazing. She was a crush in the 80s and still has it.

Martin Cove looks weird to me. He's clearly had some work done and it doesn't really fit the character. But he's good at playing a dick.
Overall, I find it entertaining ing, but could also do without it. I'll at least see where season 4 goes.

Was this born out of an old video or article about Daniel Larusso being a dick?
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RE: agreed that Kumiko was gorgeous  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15129103 LG in NYC said:
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and I was further surprised after checking IMDB that she has been an active actress in the US for years... it is not as if they found her working at a Japanese Walmart.

Love this show so much. so campy and so well done.
The actress still looks great; even better now than 30 years ago. I just didn't recognize her at all and had to look up that it was the same actress.

I also thought the guy who played the nemesis in Karate Kid 2 did a good job. It is a campy show. But, it shouldn't be discounted how all the actors really seemed to tap into their cahracters again after all these years. They all seem to have changed just enough with life, but have the essence of their characters also. Johnny and Alli seemed to do this the seamlessly, but they all did it.
Chozen acting all pissed off at first was hilarious  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 3:51 pm : link
I could tell they actually filmed in Oki - I remember those crazy-sharp lava rocks well.
Where do they  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2021 4:02 pm : link
go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?
RE: Where do they  
Enzo : 1/20/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15129242 Pete in MD said:
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go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?

in addition to Dutch, Terry Silver, and Mike Barnes, I'd like to see:
-Freddy Fernandez
-Mike Barnes' buddy snake
-the announcer from the tournament in Part I
Here is the video  
Tom from LI : 1/20/2021 4:14 pm : link
showing Daniel is the real bully.
Daniel the bully - ( New Window )
RE: Where do they  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15129242 Pete in MD said:
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go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?
Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith have no place in this.
RE: RE: Where do they  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15129251 Enzo said:
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go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?


in addition to Dutch, Terry Silver, and Mike Barnes, I'd like to see:
-Freddy Fernandez
-Mike Barnes' buddy snake
-the announcer from the tournament in Part I

What about Darryl Vidal? He was the badass guy Johnny beats in the semi-finals in #1. Kreese mentioned his name already in Cobra Kai.

He was also Pat Moriata's stunt double and a marshal arts consultant in the first movie. He apparently invented the Crane Kick.
as far as unnecessary remakes go  
Enzo : 1/20/2021 4:29 pm : link
the Karate Kid with Jaden Smith was pretty good.
RE: RE: Where do they  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15129277 Matt M. said:
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go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?

Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith have no place in this.

That was a joke.
Although, Will Smith  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2021 4:38 pm : link
Jada Pinkett's brother have executive producer credits for Cobra Kai. It must be some deal they made when the reboot was created.
RE: as far as unnecessary remakes go  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15129281 Enzo said:
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the Karate Kid with Jaden Smith was pretty good.
Seriously?
RE: I think one of the brilliant aspects of the show  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15129160 Stu11 said:
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Is how they kept Mr. Miyagi's presence alive without him being there. The letters scene was such compelling tv. Really brought out how he himself was kind of lost before he met Daniel. He was such a driving force behind the movie series, like Mick was in the Rocky movies. It's easy to bring back old clips or sayings but it's harder to bring back the actual presence the way they have.


Agreed, that whole episode was fantastic but that letter is something A. Miyagi would definitely do (it was believable) and B. was a very effective way of portraying his love for Daniel. So well done.
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Enzo : 1/20/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15129300 Matt M. said:
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the Karate Kid with Jaden Smith was pretty good.

Seriously?

oh Jesus. Is it that hard to believe people liked it? It made a ton of money and critics thought it was ok. Or do you just automatically hate everything?
the Jayden Smith one was solid, IMO  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2021 5:53 pm : link
loved Jackie Chan playing his mentor. And if you liked Jackie Chan in that role check out the Foreigner on Netflix. Its in the realm of Taken, was surprised at how well he fit the role.
RE: RE: RE: as far as unnecessary remakes go  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 7:21 pm : link
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the Karate Kid with Jaden Smith was pretty good.

Seriously?


oh Jesus. Is it that hard to believe people liked it? It made a ton of money and critics thought it was ok. Or do you just automatically hate everything?
To me, it is hard to believe. Chan was not bad. But, Kayden Smith is absoutely horrible and this movie overall was crap. I don't know any adults that actually enjoyed this version and I can tell you my kids were not all that interested in it.
RE: RE: I think one of the brilliant aspects of the show  
Matt M. : 1/20/2021 7:22 pm : link
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Is how they kept Mr. Miyagi's presence alive without him being there. The letters scene was such compelling tv. Really brought out how he himself was kind of lost before he met Daniel. He was such a driving force behind the movie series, like Mick was in the Rocky movies. It's easy to bring back old clips or sayings but it's harder to bring back the actual presence the way they have.



Agreed, that whole episode was fantastic but that letter is something A. Miyagi would definitely do (it was believable) and B. was a very effective way of portraying his love for Daniel. So well done.
Agree on this.
RE: RE: Where do they  
Stu11 : 1/21/2021 8:35 am : link
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go now with the surprise cameos? Hilary Swank? Jackie Chan? Jaden Smith?

Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith have no place in this.
In the interview I keep referencing they asked the creators about Jackie Chan and they all but shut it down. They said that they referenced Jackie Chan at some point as a mythical figure and that it wouldn't be appropriate to have him show up in his character from the re-make.
You can't have characters  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2021 9:45 am : link
from the remake suddenly appear. It would be a circular reference.

They could  
Pete in MD : 1/21/2021 9:47 am : link
honestly make it work. Chan could show up as an old disciple of Miyagi or something like that.
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Enzo : 1/21/2021 10:29 am : link
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the Karate Kid with Jaden Smith was pretty good.

Seriously?


oh Jesus. Is it that hard to believe people liked it? It made a ton of money and critics thought it was ok. Or do you just automatically hate everything?

To me, it is hard to believe. Chan was not bad. But, Kayden Smith is absoutely horrible and this movie overall was crap. I don't know any adults that actually enjoyed this version and I can tell you my kids were not all that interested in it.

I'd be curious to see the results of the poll you took of all the adults you know...lol. So much ridiculous to unpack here but whatever. Not liking the movie is one thing. Being unable to believe others might have liked is just narrow minded. It's not like it was a box office bomb that was savaged by the critics.
Chan would be an unnecessary add  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2021 10:34 am : link
and is also too big of a star to fit, IMO. Part of what makes the show so great is that these are B/C list actors most of which haven't been popular since the 80's.
RE: Chan would be an unnecessary add  
Matt M. : 1/21/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15129685 UConn4523 said:
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and is also too big of a star to fit, IMO. Part of what makes the show so great is that these are B/C list actors most of which haven't been popular since the 80's.
Agree, especially about the unnecessary add. His film was a re-make or re-tooling of the story. His character was not a disciple of Miyagi. He had his own very different style and was Chinese, not Japanese. So, there is no connection to the original films other than the title. And, this show was about revisiting those films and characters.
RE: Chan would be an unnecessary add  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15129685 UConn4523 said:
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and is also too big of a star to fit, IMO. Part of what makes the show so great is that these are B/C list actors most of which haven't been popular since the 80's.


I would have believed most of them were even out of acting completely until this show. I admit I was a laggard - mostly because it was only on hulu plus initially, but easily best show I've seen in a long time.
RE: Chan would be an unnecessary add  
Matt M. : 1/21/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15129685 UConn4523 said:
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and is also too big of a star to fit, IMO. Part of what makes the show so great is that these are B/C list actors most of which haven't been popular since the 80's.
Also, as for not being popular since the 80s, I was thinking about this yesterday. Elizabeth Shue turned out to be the biggest of the original cast and she was never a top tier actress. But, more specifically, outside of My Cousin Vinny, I was really wondering about Macchio. He really never converted the Karate Kid popularity into a robust career. I wonder if this project will end up having a renaissance impact on his and Zabka's careers.
Shue is the biggest star on the show  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2021 10:43 am : link
she's been in a bunch of stuff, most recently the Boys and before that CSI, along with a bunch of campy movies. But that's what, 2 episodes on Cobra Kai? Other than Macchio I don't think most would know the rest of the cast by name, haha.
I did like Shue in the Saint with Val Kilmer  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2021 10:44 am : link
one of those guilty pleasure movies for me since it isn't really all that good.
RE: RE: Chan would be an unnecessary add  
Essex : 1/21/2021 10:45 am : link
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and is also too big of a star to fit, IMO. Part of what makes the show so great is that these are B/C list actors most of which haven't been popular since the 80's.



I would have believed most of them were even out of acting completely until this show. I admit I was a laggard - mostly because it was only on hulu plus initially, but easily best show I've seen in a long time.

I do think that is kinda of the allure of the show as well. These are actors that got typecast as 80s good guy/villain and really did not have much of a post karate kid (besides Elizabeth Shue who became like a B+ as opposed to C star like Ralph Machiao or William Zabka) and as a fan I am really happy they are cashing in (I am sure Netflix is paying a pretty penny for this show).
I think I read Macchio  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2021 11:49 am : link
gets paid 100k per episode, so 1M per season.

Not sure what others get paid.

but based on the popularity I would think that gets adjusted for season 4 if they don't have a contract yet for season 4.
RE: I think I read Macchio  
Essex : 1/21/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15129822 pjcas18 said:
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gets paid 100k per episode, so 1M per season.

Not sure what others get paid.

but based on the popularity I would think that gets adjusted for season 4 if they don't have a contract yet for season 4.

doesn't Zabka and Macchio produce the show, maybe that is an extra source of revenue and points when it was sold to Netflix. I would just find it awesome if they cashed in!
RE: RE: I think I read Macchio  
Matt M. : 1/21/2021 2:22 pm : link
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gets paid 100k per episode, so 1M per season.

Not sure what others get paid.

but based on the popularity I would think that gets adjusted for season 4 if they don't have a contract yet for season 4.


doesn't Zabka and Macchio produce the show, maybe that is an extra source of revenue and points when it was sold to Netflix. I would just find it awesome if they cashed in!
Yes, both are listed as producers in the credits, so that is probably some extra coin for them.
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