has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
I really like the Rams in this one. Love it when Rodgers goes home.
I see no way in hell Goff with a broken finger can be effective enough in freezing temps to come away with a win. He’s bad in cold weather without the broken finger...Rodgers rolls today
Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
let's see what they do today
RE: I don't think Goff is going to have to do that much to win
Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
RE: RE: I don't think Goff is going to have to do that much to win
Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
Not saying they win but I think they keep it close. Sometime all it takes is a special teams touchdown or defensive TD paired with a productive run game and no turnovers when you have a great defense like the Rams
RE: RE: RE: I don't think Goff is going to have to do that much to win
Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
Not saying they win but I think they keep it close. Sometime all it takes is a special teams touchdown or defensive TD paired with a productive run game and no turnovers when you have a great defense like the Rams
Quite frankly, Goff is one of the most overrated QBs in the NFL.
The Rams "D" will keep it reasonably close.
Yeah Goff is thoroughly mediocre and thats my position
has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
Amazing what a FO's eyes for talent post-Day 1 can do for a team. Giants' fans wouldn't know.
has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
Wow great job building that OL, Giants should take lessons
Watch his hands on some of his hard counts. He’ll try the hard count more than once on some plays and on the second one he thrusts his hands forward while in shotgun. Not sure how that’s not a penalty for simulating a snap.
I’ve seen him do that before and he’s already done it once today, on one of those red zone plays.
has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
In his sit when he trailed him. Than gets caught sleeping other way. Not sure what Ramsey is bitching about, that’s not a play you needed to switch at all. Just cuz he made you look terrible on national atage is no reason to atage up your teammate. What a bitch. Also moose is the fucking worst.
and your oline just goes out and pushes the #1 defense around like it’s another day at the park?
Well coached, well disciplined, tough Offensive Line unit.
It is incredible.
I can't prove this, but I think there Rodgers is an intangible factor in this. I would imagine players just want to dig and player better because they realize who they are blocking for one of the all-time greats...
Aaron Donald ain't no LT. Shouldn't hear that comparison ever again.
He now has a target on his back because of that comparison by Clay Aikman.. he's no where close. LT didn't even prepare for games, he showed up and just dominated. Once in a century player.
So far, this Rams Packers game has exemplified the importance
of having bullies along your DL from tackle to tackle.
It seems the defenses want to play at most 5 in the box to keep plenty of people back in coverage.
And neither team has been able to control their opponent's rushing attack with so few bodies in the box, something the Giants were usually pretty good at this past year.
another example of a guy who simply does not know how to catch a football. He should be reaching out and catching with his hands.. NOT trying to trap the ball against his chest
Aaron Donald ain't no LT. Shouldn't hear that comparison ever again.
He now has a target on his back because of that comparison by Clay Aikman.. he's no where close. LT didn't even prepare for games, he showed up and just dominated. Once in a century player.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
Floyd isn’t very good when he’s the only guy to account fot.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Dude, do you ever fucking quit? Jesus Christ you are exhausting.
The Pack has t has t had a rest OL years. Rodgers is easily one of the top 5 QB of all time. Not giving DG a total pass but Reese is the architect of this teams failure to find OL for 11 years. lol. Don't come here much anymore but a stupid comment by bw. Some things never change
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
The Packers going for 2 on their last TD was so stupid
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
Smart play by the O
Definitely. Saved the pick and knowing it won’t get called, it was a smart play.
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
I get that it's hard to win Super Bowls, but it sometimes amazes me that the Packers have had 2 HOF QBs as starters since '92 & only 2 Lombardis to show for it. You'd think between Favre & Rodgers they'd have more, but alas.
I get that it's hard to win Super Bowls, but it sometimes amazes me that the Packers have had 2 HOF QBs as starters since '92 & only 2 Lombardis to show for it. You'd think between Favre & Rodgers they'd have more, but alas.
I get that it's hard to win Super Bowls, but it sometimes amazes me that the Packers have had 2 HOF QBs as starters since '92 & only 2 Lombardis to show for it. You'd think between Favre & Rodgers they'd have more, but alas.
GB vs KC is going to be a great game
Based on GB's defense, I think KC rolls them. Bad.
I think the only hope to beat KC is Buffalo at this point. Josh Allen's game just creates so many problems now that his accuracy issues are under control.
How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
I get that it's hard to win Super Bowls, but it sometimes amazes me that the Packers have had 2 HOF QBs as starters since '92 & only 2 Lombardis to show for it. You'd think between Favre & Rodgers they'd have more, but alas.
Just goes to show that it’s a team game. The packers have had decent defenses but rarely one that you would elite ..... and that’s one of the necessary elements.
How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
Have you watched them the last two years?
I guess I overestimated the Rams run D vs. that matchup. I knew the Packs ground game was good but thought LA could do more
RE: RE: RE: I really thought the Rams D had a chance
How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
Have you watched them the last two years?
I guess I overestimated the Rams run D vs. that matchup. I knew the Packs ground game was good but thought LA could do more
tale for those who opine that run stufing DTs grown on trees.
Drafted out of Bama in 2016 in the second round, pick 46 overall, he never panned out for the Lions and came to the Rams this year.
A year later the Giants drafted a similar type player (but with a much better work ethic?) to Robinson from the 'Tide, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Dalvin developed into a much better player than Robinson ever was.
There's no guarantee at all that Tomlinson will be easily replaced.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You look at the Green Bay...
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
RE: Rams' DT A'shawn Robinson could be a cautionary
tale for those who opine that run stufing DTs grown on trees.
Drafted out of Bama in 2016 in the second round, pick 46 overall, he never panned out for the Lions and came to the Rams this year.
A year later the Giants drafted a similar type player (but with a much better work ethic?) to Robinson from the 'Tide, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Dalvin developed into a much better player than Robinson ever was.
There's no guarantee at all that Tomlinson will be easily replaced.
Ashawn was VERY highly regarded. I kinda liked him...he had a better combine I believe than Jarran Reed who was mentioned in the same breath as A Rob. But cautionary tale or not,I dont think we need to replace Dalvin with another run stuffing lineman. I think just another well-rounded DL will do it because our other two guys play the run plenty well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You look at the Green Bay...
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
I would applaud if you simply stopped.
Just STFU and stop bothering to get involved in shot that doesnt involve you Googs. You post a million times a day and 99% of it is vapid and tedious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You look at the Green Bay...
OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
Agree, this thread should be about the games and not everybody’s Giants “agenda.” Let’s hope we get a good game tonight.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
Was a douche for bringing up DG in an unrelated game thread, but whatever, ready to move on and enjoy the discussion on tonight’s game. BW included if he’s so inclined!
RE: Chop- i like when you post about football. When you
blast guys and do it so vehemently, you sound like a crazy drunk. Let it go with bw. It’s not a big deal.
How bout this....I havent had a drink since the 2nd, stop being my BBI mother Googs. You post all day and offer nothing. Why dont you let this handle go and start with another one. You pile on to other people's posts and stalk other posters looking to provoke. Just dont bother.
RE: Chop- i like when you post about football. When you
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
Oh it was noticeable. The first time I thought what the hell and gave her a pass thinking it was the cold. The next two times I thought either the bottle or she’s having a stroke like problem.
RE: Watch yourself on being critical for entering threads
with an agenda. I can show plenty of your own as we both know.
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
RE: RE: Chop- i like when you post about football. When you
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
Oh it was noticeable. The first time I thought what the hell and gave her a pass thinking it was the cold. The next two times I thought either the bottle or she’s having a stroke like problem.
with an agenda. I can show plenty of your own as we both know.
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
Good call, earlier btw, on the Bills LBs being soft on the run...
They aren’t as bad against run as they look. Not good no doubt, but a large part of that is scheme. Should be interesting how they attack a team like Ravens.
with an agenda. I can show plenty of your own as we both know.
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
I wouldn’t say that yet. Bills have some explosive plays in them, not sure the Ravens do unfortunately. Allen has strong arm but he’s gotta do better job adjusting to wind on those intermediate and long balls. Hit or miss so far.
I wouldn’t say that yet. Bills have some explosive plays in them, not sure the Ravens do unfortunately. Allen has strong arm but he’s gotta do better job adjusting to wind on those intermediate and long balls. Hit or miss so far.
The wind here is too unpredictable, everyone on field is struggling with it. I think this benefits Ravens much more considering they just want to attack middle of field and Bills literally don’t run the ball. Bills built a team that doesn’t have a home field advantage in Buffalo.
46 yards. Well within his range but maybe the wind is a bigger factor? Tucker is going to be hard to trust the rest of the game on longer ones. Interesting to see how coaches change their strategy after three misses.
Has to start connecting on some of these intermediate-long throws. Seems like all of them are open.
This is why I’m not sure some people here watch other teams around the league. All QBs miss throws, but our guy needs to be almost damn perfect to put up points and than we nit pick. Bills are still capable of putting up 30 if Allen starts to get hot. It’s certainly there.
Except Allen is airmailing everything. He's probably closer to throwing a deep pick to a safety than connecting on a TD.
I stick with the girl that brought me to dance than all of a sudden try to become a running football team against one of the most physical defenses in league that just shut down Henry.
He is great scrambling for yards but he seems incapable of reading the field in the pocket.
The crazy part is that to me is the biggest question about him being a SB winning QB, but if Chiefs win tomorrow, there’s a chance he won’t have to answer that question unless Bucs/Saints make SB. Chiefs are super soft against run to, but they may need to go one dimensional to catch up. This Ravens D really ringing bell and Maryindale namely. He should certainly be in talks for HC job, but he’s an old white defensive guy so he wont.
He is great scrambling for yards but he seems incapable of reading the field in the pocket.
Incapable?
Well, he's not Peyton Manning, but he can read a defense. His problem is mechanics and delivery. And I think in these elements, he doesn't throw a ball that can cut through the wind (when he's into it).
But think it’s more because of the weather. Did anyone else notice on the Ravens timeout someone ran out to throw a jacket on Jackson? On one minute timeout? Maybe it’s just habit from the kid with the job, but not sure if the weather is really getting to Jackson or not.
not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
He is great scrambling for yards but he seems incapable of reading the field in the pocket.
Incapable?
Well, he's not Peyton Manning, but he can read a defense. His problem is mechanics and delivery. And I think in these elements, he doesn't throw a ball that can cut through the wind (when he's into it).
Disagree. But he won MVP so know I have a minority position but feel league caught up with him and will allow him his rushing yards knowing he can’t read or throw against coverages
I really don’t understand people wanting them to run the ball
Their run game isn’t good and it’s unnecessary for balance reasons. They are protecting him fine considering you just have to do enough so he can beat guys 1 v 1. As a Bills SB ticket holder I want them to continue with gameplan. Allen has to adjust though. No excuses now, got a half under your belt out there. Like I said, windy, but not a hurricane.
thing a team can become is one-dimensional because it allows the D to attack you that much easier. Right now, Baltimore is able to double cover the deep routes.
Buffalo doesn't have to pound the ball - but in windy conditions, to not even run the ball every once in awhile is criminal.
I think you'll see some more runs in the 2nd half, even if just to open up downfield a little more. Buffalo will certainly be 2nd guessed if Allen overthrows another WR and gets picked. It isn't like he's missed high once or twice. It is nearly every throw
RE: RE: People are going to Monday morning QB bills
not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
What adjustments can they make? Run the ball for minimal gains? Plays are there, players need to go make them.
thing a team can become is one-dimensional because it allows the D to attack you that much easier. Right now, Baltimore is able to double cover the deep routes.
Buffalo doesn't have to pound the ball - but in windy conditions, to not even run the ball every once in awhile is criminal.
I think you'll see some more runs in the 2nd half, even if just to open up downfield a little more. Buffalo will certainly be 2nd guessed if Allen overthrows another WR and gets picked. It isn't like he's missed high once or twice. It is nearly every throw
The Ravens aren’t bringing another safety to stop the run, they don’t have to. Only reason to run ball is if pass rush becomes too much.
not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
6-3. Adjust and try something less dep.
Yep use Diggs and get Beasley more involved to attack the intermediate and short routes.
That's probably the game. Lamar never saw Johnson undercut the receiver. Terrible mistake. Two missed field goals and a 101 yard INT return for a TD make it hard to win.
and supplementing that with Dobbins/Edwards. You stop their run by committing people, make Jackson stay in the pocket with a shadow, and suddenly they look pedestrian. Their passing attack will not beat you.
NFL defenses can shut any one thing down, in this case the run. Offenses need to be able to adapt and beat you in other ways.
It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
RE: After they gave that roughing the passer to Allen...
He hit his head on the ground falling back after a routine hit. The Bills player didn’t cheap shot him or drive his head into the ground. That’s why there was no penalty.
RE: With Lamar out they may have a chance to come back
Ravens have been able to tailor the offense to Jackson. That being said, I think there’s plenty of evidence at this point to suggest that it has a low likelihood of working in the playoffs. Unless you are playing in a snow storm or sub degree weather you simply have to be able to throw the ball down the field, or even 20-30 yards accurately. He can’t do it yet. Not saying he won’t be able to....but everyone celebrating last week because he won a playoff game (in which he didn’t really even need to throw the ball much, or with any success) needs to relax a bit.
Great player, great athlete. Just not sure he’s a championship QB.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
He's more like a guy who was bitten by a radioactive Dep and now has the antagonistic powers of 10 ordinary men.
The guy shoved him 3 seconds after he let go of the ball. Allen acted but he had no business putting his hands on him. By rule it was called correctly.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
It seems like there are numerous new dupes rolling out on a monthly basis
RE: RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Holy shit that's it. Thanks. I am in your debt.
HAHAHAHA you are full blown crazy. No comment on Lamar tonight? Pathetic choke artist that will never be anything more than a RB. 🤣🤣
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Bizarre and half amusing, don’t let it bother you dude.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
Yeah after Bradberry Glue, Saquads is the slowest and most repetitive of the dupes.
RE: RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Holy shit that's it. Thanks. I am in your debt.
Easy way to verify. Say something bad about Eli and see how he reacts.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
This game felt like it was anyone’s until that pick 6
I wonder if he realizes that Jackson throwing that pick doesn't make Daniel Jones a good quarterback. Probably not...dep was a REALLY stupid, shitty poster.
RE: RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Both of these guys are proven studs and they both look terrible tonight.. bc of the wind. Most of Allen's yards and the TD were a result of screen passes. Lamar also had the oline issues, backing them up to the goalline multiple times. Both will be in the pro bowl for years to come.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
I’ve heard McAfee talk about this. He’s not even sure why they have flags on the goal posts because that almost never tells you picture what’s going on field. These guys do their best to figure it out pregame but things can change on a dime when it’s like tonight. It’s why you saw both Brady and DJ struggle first half in that game and then settle in. I will say Allen was way way off on a couple throws. Gotta be a bit better than that when you have a canon anc play in a Buffalo.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Dan Marino is not shit but super overrated by Fins fans.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Try again...
You said it’s all about Lombardis. Do you get those for winning championship games now?
based upon tonight's performances. It merely shows that no QB is perfect and getting one of these guys does not guarantee anything.
It is clear that both guys are able to help their teams win regular season games.
I will point out that if this was a Giants' playoff game tonight and Jones delivered the same performance as Jackson, the talk would be how he sucks and we need to find a new QB.
What should not be lost in this game is my belief that defense wins championships. The Buffalo defense should get the MVP tonight.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham
Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.
Vick didn’t have personnel and a crackerjack offense designed specifically for him like Lamar does. When Vick went to the Eagles Reid actually developed him and designed an offense that got the best out of him. He was just old at that point.
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
I just heard from dep and he assures me he is not Saquads.
dep and I fought it out pretty hard here at BBI but he reached out to me when he was banned. He's actually a good guy, so I believe him on this...
Saquads likes to tell people how great he is at investing in Bitcoin, which wasn't something dep did. I thought he was Denny. dep would be on the other sports threads if he were here regularly too especially the NBA
Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Try again...
You said it’s all about Lombardis. Do you get those for winning championship games now?
Way to double down on the stupid.
And yet, Jackson hasn’t even reached the championship game. So people should stop with the bullshit that he’s all that. I never said those two were shit, but Jackson is 1-3 in playoff games. At least those guys made the SB
To Canton his summer? What's a shame is he's lol seems to be a good kid and he's gotten better as a QB but another example of hypogn a kid way beyond his achievements.
He's it a great QB. Doesn't mean he can't become one but right now Mahones is the only guy who's proven he's great out of the younger QBs.
Neither Jackson or Allen should be evaluated on a single game. Neither should Jones. Every player should be evaluated on the full body of work.
The whole “he never won a Super Bowl” is idiocy. No one player has ever won a Super Bowl. Jackson couldn’t win in the playoffs until he did last week. Eli couldn’t win the big one until he did. It’s a stupid barometer for people who hate thinking.
Not sure the reason for their (curious) vitriol, but they will go to bed happy. Lamar has had one of most remarkable careers to date for a 24 year old — Heisman, NFL MVP, playoff win — but questions of course remain about him until he makes a deep run and wins it all.
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
It doesn’t seem you have any idea what you are saying. All we know is that it isn’t “all about Lombardis” or whatever other nonsense you are spewing tonight.
QBs - like every other player - should be evaluated on all of their play, not the games you randomly select.
Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.
Vick didn’t have personnel and a crackerjack offense designed specifically for him like Lamar does. When Vick went to the Eagles Reid actually developed him and designed an offense that got the best out of him. He was just old at that point.
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
Not sure the reason for their (curious) vitriol, but they will go to bed happy. Lamar has had one of most remarkable careers to date for a 24 year old — Heisman, NFL MVP, playoff win — but questions of course remain about him until he makes a deep run and wins it all.
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
Normally I would agree. But with his playing style he probably has 3-4 good seasons left.
I hear you. He does have a Gumby element to his game and always seems to pop back up. Until tonight...but that could have happened to anyone on the botched snap.
But he definitely needs to improve his mechanics and pocket skills.
Let's be honest. He's so unusual with this style that he's an easy target when he struggles in these games.
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?
And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
That’s a reasonable assessment. Jackson has also won an NFL MVP and a playoff game.
Can you apply the same standard to Daniel Jones? If he sucks next year with a hopefully improved supporting cast and a healthy saquon i hope we don’t hear a list of excuses and head into year four in the same qb purgatory were in now
RE: We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
What? Mr. Ultimate QB himself? The model of "Todays NFL" needs off season throwing lessons?
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
Any half decent NFL QB ties the game there. He cost his team the game and season. He's terrible.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
Maybe but I don’t think that solves the problem. The game sealing pick tonight wasn’t an inaccurate throw or mechanics. It was a terrible decision. It was terrible decisions all night if you look at the sacks he took.
The book is out on Lamar. Keep him in the pocket and let him hang himself.
RE: RE: We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3
team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
No, I wouldn't. Getting this far in the playoffs would feel like a miracle.
You think I'd rip Jones for losing in the divisional round on the road in his third season? You've got a short memory...I was here sticking up for Eli when that wasnt a popular thing to do.
When Jones earns some backing and some faith, I'll be right there giving it to him.
For Jones thus far getting to 20 points is a chore - let alone a divisional playoff game. Let him get us there next year, and he can throw ten picks in the game and I won't give him a tough time over it.
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
If the Bills lose by scoring 3 points and Allen throws a terrible pick, he'll get criticized. Just like he was criticized when he blew the end of the Texans game last year.
ANY QB will.
Look - replace the Ravens with the Giants tonight - what would BBI say about the QB play? They'd want Jones cut tommorrow and you damn well know it. Terps would be ranting and raving - not saying "oh, we lost to a great Buffalo team".
And that's the hypocrisy of the post - some people don't want their minds changed - you included.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
I doubt Jordan Palmer takes him on, he has a reputation to protect. He’s a massive fix and at this point a lost cause.
I give Lamar credit though, these young athlete QBs are understanding it earlier. We are seeing more and more of these guys that can actually play QB at an NFL level. He went up Louisville and worked on being a actual QB. With his athletic ability he could of easily just ran the ball and won a fuckton of games like these guys used to. More anc more you are seeing these really athletic QBs try to be throw first.
The real question is, I’m not sure you can ever develop to get to that elite level making decisions and reading defenses that all the greats have that as soon as it gets hard you can take off a run. Obviously Lamar could do better with his mechanics and getting ball to sidelines, but it’s not all that.
Decision making, especially in big spots, is something that evolves for many quarterbacks.
For guys that consistently do it in the pocket under pressure. The problem is Lamar doesn’t get that experience because against all the mediocre and bad defenses he can rely on his legs to make plays for him when push comes to shove. Go up against disciplined defenses and we saw the results. The Bills D isn’t even good.
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
I’m not sure Giants fans would be critical of Jones if he’d notched an MVP, won a playoff game, and was 23 games over .500,
Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.
I’m not sure Giants fans would be critical of Jones if he’d notched an MVP, won a playoff game, and was 23 games over .500,
Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.
That's what's amazing to me. It's like the Giants have been good, and we've just been stuck in the Matrix or something. In the world I live in, they're 15-33 the last three seasons.
That's not worthy of criticism? If that isn't, what is?
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The real question is, I’m not sure you can ever develop to get to that elite level making decisions and reading defenses that all the greats have that as soon as it gets hard you can take off a run. Obviously Lamar could do better with his mechanics and getting ball to sidelines, but it’s not all that.
He's got 68 career TD passes and only 18 INTs. That's a 3.8 ration, which is pretty damn good. And some pretty good decisions...
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
That's what's amazing to me. It's like the Giants have been good, and we've just been stuck in the Matrix or something. In the world I live in, they're 15-33 the last three seasons.
That's not worthy of criticism? If that isn't, what is?
It’s really weird. Personally, I’m stupid optimistic about the Giants. I can find positivity in almost anything.
If Jones won a playoff game, I’d be on here finding ways to prove his trajectory was Super Bowl bound.
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
Comparing the Giants and Ravens right now is apples to oranges. But FMIC is the ultimate Giants Shill so he’s taking this as a victory lap.
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
Comparing the Giants and Ravens right now is apples to oranges. But FMIC is the ultimate Giants Shill so he’s taking this as a victory lap. [/quote
Lamar has proven he’s good enough to shepherd a team to 13-3, and good enough to win at least one playoff game. We haven’t sniffed .500 and I’m not even sure if Jones has ever beaten a .500 plus team (it was McCoy who won the Seattle game, our sad little high point the past 4 years). Maybe next year Jones can start to move to some sort of relevance where if he loses, opposing fans can call him a choker like Lamar. Fingers crossed.
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
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Has he really? Doesn't surprise me at all. Pathetic
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
So has everyone else, up to and including Accorsi, who said he played scared. That's not made up.
And no, I don't think LJ is anywhere near the passer Kurt was at this point in his career, but that can change. Lamar is still only 24, he has the tools to develop into a better passer if he puts the work in and if the team gets better players around him.
Baltimore wouldn't be in the playoffs without him. He had to throw to Dez Bryant (who was running around with a fork in his back), working with a poor OL that can't pass block, and without any real threats at WR, and still carried the team on his back.
Oh, and I don't think it helps to "taylor" the offense around him, either...I think that has hurt his development as an NFL QB. I think you'd see a much more complete player if his head coach was Andy Reid, for example.
If you want to give him credit for getting over the hump and winning a playoff game, fine I guess. But the Ravens defense really carried that team last week and was the primary reason they defeated the Titans.
I mean, they won 20-17 and shut down Henry. Lamar is 1-3, and hasn't played well in any playoff game. He's one-dimensional, and yes, he has gaudy regular season numbers, mainly because he gets more than his fair share of wide open receivers, which, to be fair, is because of the immense respect he demands as a runner.
To me, this was never a Daniel Jones vs Lamar argument. Not sure what the relevance of Jones is. I wasn't a fan of the DJ pick at the time either. But the Lamar worship has gone on and on, including the narrative that Gettleman should've drafted him, and yet, I'll stand by my eval of him from back then. Tremendous athlete, bad QB. This will continue to happen with him year after year until he can't escape and rip off those 50 yard runs anymore, and then he'll be finished.
So, the Center is hiking the ball all over the place all night
...and the kicker misses two kicks, but the Ravens lost solely because of Jackson? Ok...
If you ask me, I thought their play calling was crap. They were moving the ball with ease on their first drive, and then just completely changed their plan.
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
You remember at the end of last year you called me out because I was critical of Daniel Jones's performance? You said I was more or less doing my contrarian schtick when most were feeling good about his rookie season. Remember that? How are you feeling now?
Not sure the reason for their (curious) vitriol, but they will go to bed happy. Lamar has had one of most remarkable careers to date for a 24 year old — Heisman, NFL MVP, playoff win — but questions of course remain about him until he makes a deep run and wins it all.
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
Oh boo hoo! Poor Lamar Jackson. Spare us your same old lecture on this guy. We are just coming off a stellar career of a 15 year starting QB who never missed a game and won us 2 Super Bowl titles along the way and guess what? He was pretty much taken for granted all 15 years. Eli could never measure in the eyes of many a Giant fan, I read it right here on this board his entire career. Eli also happens to be white so maybe you should stop insinuating foul play as well.
It boils down to the fact that Lamar Jackson gets his ass kissed by many of the same people here who refuse to acknowledge even an ounce of anything positive related to Jones or the franchise overall. Of course people will snicker when he sucks in the playoffs. Many quarterbacks have had to answer for a drop off in their postseason play. He’s not the first. Won’t be the last.
RE: RE: We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3
team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
May I add, Josh Allen and his approx. 5.5 YPA? Oh and he fumbled. The kid had arguably an MVP year and certainly appears to be the goods, but on here? A one-legged DJ, who had been making a lot of progress with Garrett for 3 1/2 errorless, moving the chains (with Arm AND legs) games, then had his ups and downs post-injury, would have been killed on here..
Josh Allen had a good game against a very good defense.
His pocket presence is something to behold. He was bailing his OL out all night long. If Jones can put together a game like that ever, I’ll be a believer.
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
If the Bills lose by scoring 3 points and Allen throws a terrible pick, he'll get criticized. Just like he was criticized when he blew the end of the Texans game last year.
ANY QB will.
Look - replace the Ravens with the Giants tonight - what would BBI say about the QB play? They'd want Jones cut tommorrow and you damn well know it. Terps would be ranting and raving - not saying "oh, we lost to a great Buffalo team".
And that's the hypocrisy of the post - some people don't want their minds changed - you included.
Had Jones won the MVP this year and played like this in a playoff game, there would be no massive call to cut him tomorrow. That is ridiculously naive and biased.
And what opinion is it am I staunchly defending? Jackson is a good QB? That is an opinion shared by most everyone who watches NFL football.
RE: So, the Center is hiking the ball all over the place all night
...and the kicker misses two kicks, but the Ravens lost solely because of Jackson? Ok...
If you ask me, I thought their play calling was crap. They were moving the ball with ease on their first drive, and then just completely changed their plan.
Thank you for this, pretty simple. The Lamar hot takes also ignore that Dobbins dropped a couple of key balls, the OL had one of their worst games and the wind neutralized their 2nd biggest weapon - the kicker. But just like Eli, until Lamar carries a team to the Championship game / Super Bowl, he is garbage.
RE: Josh Allen had a good game against a very good defense.
His pocket presence is something to behold. He was bailing his OL out all night long. If Jones can put together a game like that ever, I’ll be a believer.
Not sure how a 5.5 ypa can be considered a “good game.” A managed game? Sure. DJ “managed” some pretty nice games pre-injury..I think too many people are already dug in about DJ (not necessarily you). I’ll wait for SB to return (assuming he’s good to go as I expect him to be) as a big aid to DJ.
A thread on here talks about how Garrett has been assessed depending on the AVAILABLE talent he has at his disposal. Should JG return, I look forward to all the options he’ll hopefully have available with a healthy SB and an improved receiving corps.
If DJ shows no progress, I’ll be one of the first to negatively assess his play. I am not dug in. Just trying to be fair.
had a big loss when their LT went down early in the season. They have very little at the WR position and are trotting out Dez Bryant. Over the many years they have put more resources into the defense.
Will be interesting to see if Jackson's representatives push for a contract and if the Ravens commit long term. If they feel Jackson can develop still as a pocket passer then they probably need to give him more help. As others stated, winning a championship requires teams to be balanced and be able to do things that are outside their strengths.
Looks similar to Allen’s last night in many respects. YPA was about the same and Eli also fumbled, with it being recovered by the Giants, but significantly threw no INTs. Key differences are that the 49ers defense was better than the 2020 Ravens and Eli had a lot more pass attempts and threw 2 TDS instead of Allen’s 1.
I don’t think Allen’s performance was in the same stratosphere as Eli’s but i’d say that we need to use our eyes in attention to the stats. The Bills OL was breaking down under a very intense Ravens pass rush, yet Allen was constantly preventing that from turning into negative yardage, and meanwhile completed about 66% of his passes, a good ratio, with no INTs. He was also using that cannon of an arm to force the Ravens to defend the whole field.
I wouldn’t call what he did being a game manager. It was more like playing winning football in a tough playoff context.
Quarterbacks that win awards and teams that make the playoffs
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Ummm yes u would.
RE: Eli’s incredible 2011 NFC Championship stat line
Looks similar to Allen’s last night in many respects. YPA was about the same and Eli also fumbled, with it being recovered by the Giants, but significantly threw no INTs. Key differences are that the 49ers defense was better than the 2020 Ravens and Eli had a lot more pass attempts and threw 2 TDS instead of Allen’s 1.
I don’t think Allen’s performance was in the same stratosphere as Eli’s but i’d say that we need to use our eyes in attention to the stats. The Bills OL was breaking down under a very intense Ravens pass rush, yet Allen was constantly preventing that from turning into negative yardage, and meanwhile completed about 66% of his passes, a good ratio, with no INTs. He was also using that cannon of an arm to force the Ravens to defend the whole field.
I wouldn’t call what he did being a game manager. It was more like playing winning football in a tough playoff context.
That’s EXACTLY how I try to look at games..I simply noted the “5.5” and the “game manager” points as examples of what flucking goes on here. I only care about how the QB runs his team, regardless of stats or cliches. Yes, Eli is the perfect example. DJ has begun to learn how to win after the 0-5/1-7 starts, but needs better complements. He needs to continue to show improvement. Mistakes are going to happen no matter how much he hopefully improves..
Bottom line? DJ was moving this team when he had his legs. He was moving the chains and I’m not going to cite Engrams multiple TD drops to prop up DJ. That shit happens to all. But pre-injury he was doing a good job, but his lack of stats were constantly cited here, regardless of talent around him, health and so on..
So, all I, as a fan care about, is can this guy take charge of this team to help them ascend? Can he move the chains..I believe he can and has shown that. can he be more consistent moving forward with better personnel to work with? He better, or else he’s not our answer long term.
RE: Quarterbacks that win awards and teams that make the playoffs
Oh how I wish we could be so critical of our guys reaching these heights.
You’d still be pissing and moaning every step of the way. It’s in your nature. I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls and even in those seasons the whining never stopped from this miserable fan base. There’s a large portion of Giants fans that absolutely deserve to be going through this extended drought. And you’re on top of the list. You don’t deserve a championship.
without showing hate for NY Giant fans no matter what they say. No matter what. Read your post here basically calling everybody a "miserable fan base".
You hate everybody on here and my guess is everybody who isn't even on here too.
RE: RE: Quarterbacks that win awards and teams that make the playoffs
Oh how I wish we could be so critical of our guys reaching these heights.
You’d still be pissing and moaning every step of the way. It’s in your nature. I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls and even in those seasons the whining never stopped from this miserable fan base. There’s a large portion of Giants fans that absolutely deserve to be going through this extended drought. And you’re on top of the list. You don’t deserve a championship.
I completely agree with you that you need to watch the players perform to supplement the stats, and think almost every BBIer would agree. The problem is that when you watch Jones play, the issues jump off the screen. That’s why I’m skeptical of the “he needs better weapons” argument. My response is that Darius Slayton sure could use a better QB throwing to him.
Good discussion. The AFC Championship will be a humdinger. Peace out.
RE: What Big Blue Shock says is not necessarily wrong
I completely agree with you that you need to watch the players perform to supplement the stats, and think almost every BBIer would agree. The problem is that when you watch Jones play, the issues jump off the screen. That’s why I’m skeptical of the “he needs better weapons” argument. My response is that Darius Slayton sure could use a better QB throwing to him.
Good discussion. The AFC Championship will be a humdinger. Peace out.
team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
May I add, Josh Allen and his approx. 5.5 YPA? Oh and he fumbled. The kid had arguably an MVP year and certainly appears to be the goods, but on here? A one-legged DJ, who had been making a lot of progress with Garrett for 3 1/2 errorless, moving the chains (with Arm AND legs) games, then had his ups and downs post-injury, would have been killed on here..
Out of curiosity, did you watch the game?
Did you see Buffalo’s very strange game plan in the first half where they ran just 2X? The fewest rushing attempts ever in a playoff game for a half. Daboll seemed to be unaware of the wind conditions and cold. And still had Allen cutting it loose and throwing deep way too many times.
Allen’s second half was much better than his first, btw.
It’s funny, too, how Allen has one off game, in a season of very few, and you bring up Jones who had very few good games the entire season...
a thread from the archives last week that was ripping Eli. And this was after he had already won a SB MVP.
There's no doubt in my mind that any giants QB would get ripped for the same performance that happened last night.
Just look at what Terps said above. He stands by the idea Collins played scared in the SB and ripped him continually after that game, nevermind that he was playing against a historic defense.
When Jackson shit the bed, it is due to a tip of the cap to Buffalo and kudos for making it that far.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
Jackson is an extremely productive QB. But it is clearly showing
though that he may not be a QB that can get his team to the promised land. Harbaugh and the other Raven coaches have to do something to raise up the part of his game that doesn't come with taking off and running.
That was a bad pick 6 and any QB in the league, including New York Giant QBs, should take some criticism for throwing it.
And, Kerry Collins absolutely played like a deer in headlights versus Ravens. And its not an excuse it was against a historic defense. He could have and needed to play better.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
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RE: Jackson is an extremely productive QB. But it is clearly showing
though that he may not be a QB that can get his team to the promised land. Harbaugh and the other Raven coaches have to do something to raise up the part of his game that doesn't come with taking off and running.
That was a bad pick 6 and any QB in the league, including New York Giant QBs, should take some criticism for throwing it.
And, Kerry Collins absolutely played like a deer in headlights versus Ravens. And its not an excuse it was against a historic defense. He could have and needed to play better.
He does not have the arm talent. He doesn't. I know he's young, but that's not likely fixable. I'm telling you, when his mobility is degraded to the level of someone like, say, a Ryan Tannehill (who is pretty mobile), the wheels are going to completely fall off. It's going to get ugly.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
Where are the excuses exactly? LJax made a major mistake that basically killed the game. That play had nothing to do with arm talent - which you recently cite - but a poor decision where he didn't see the safety.
A lot of QBs have made the mistake - average ones, good ones, great ones.
It gets highlighted because of LJax's post-season struggles. Not saying this isn't fair, but his regular season passing numbers, despite his unorthodox style, are absolutely nothing to sneeze at...
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
Where are the excuses exactly? LJax made a major mistake that basically killed the game. That play had nothing to do with arm talent - which you recently cite - but a poor decision where he didn't see the safety.
A lot of QBs have made the mistake - average ones, good ones, great ones.
It gets highlighted because of LJax's post-season struggles. Not saying this isn't fair, but his regular season passing numbers, despite his unorthodox style, are absolutely nothing to sneeze at...
I'm sorry, did I say that the INT was due to arm talent? No, no I did not. I said he's not going to get significantly better because of arm talent.
Him not seeing the defender IS a mistake that a lot of QBs make, yes. Him not getting his team a TD in 3 quarters, though...that doesn't happen with most championship caliber QBs. I do question whether or not he is a great decision maker as a passer, but that's very hard to evaluate because he's not a guy that is going to go through his progressions often. And his passing numbers are a function of his ability to hurt a team running with the football. It is not a function of his arm talent. That's why I said when his running ability is degraded, he won't be successful, and that's when you will see the passing numbers fall off a cliff, when defenses can play more traditional coverage packages.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
I see no way in hell Goff with a broken finger can be effective enough in freezing temps to come away with a win. He’s bad in cold weather without the broken finger...Rodgers rolls today
Me too but I don't see the Rams not getting their asses handed to them like 37-7 or similar
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
let's see what they do today
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
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Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
Not saying they win but I think they keep it close. Sometime all it takes is a special teams touchdown or defensive TD paired with a productive run game and no turnovers when you have a great defense like the Rams
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Rams offensive line is completely different when Whitworth is in the lineup. That Rams defense is for real and their secondary can cover throughout. Rodgers had multiple decisions against the bears should have resulted in interceptions but they didn't make him pay for it. Rams secondary will.
I guess we shall find out. For now we will agree to disagree. I don’t see the Rams being able to do near enough offensively. The Packers will score. Can the Rams? I don’t think so but weirder things have happened.
Not saying they win but I think they keep it close. Sometime all it takes is a special teams touchdown or defensive TD paired with a productive run game and no turnovers when you have a great defense like the Rams
Quite frankly, Goff is one of the most overrated QBs in the NFL.
The Rams "D" will keep it reasonably close.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
I almost never watch these pregame shows. And that skit reminded me why.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
Wow great job building that OL, Giants should take lessons
You expect more from people who live in Wisconsin?
Why? Ever since he went over the 50,000 passing yard mark, I think he has been fine.
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I almost never watch these pregame shows. And that skit reminded me why.
I was just about to post on this . Anyone remember the last time any of the FOX pregame comedy sketches were remotely funny? I can't.
Watch his hands on some of his hard counts. He’ll try the hard count more than once on some plays and on the second one he thrusts his hands forward while in shotgun. Not sure how that’s not a penalty for simulating a snap.
I’ve seen him do that before and he’s already done it once today, on one of those red zone plays.
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Can you imagine if he had Evan Engram on his team?
:-)
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Haha, funny how I didn’t see his WR say throw it lower on the high pass in the end zone that would’ve been a TD if it was a better pass.
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Agreed. Not a good look as the TV camera caught him.
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It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Can you imagine if he had Evan Engram on his team?
:-)
he has three Engram's on his team.
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Is for him saying “catch the fucking ball” after that 3rd down play
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Can you imagine if he had Evan Engram on his team?
:-)
he has three Engram's on his team.
I'll agree to that as soon as one of them not only drops a pass but bats it up in the air for an easy turnover
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
If he was on the Giants he would be your favorite player ever.. dude is soooo good.
I kind of wish Eli would have done it once on a while.
Good blend of team speed and hustle.
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It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
If he was on the Giants he would be your favorite player ever.. dude is soooo good.
I know he’s great. But I hate him.
I hated Shockey and Odell too
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Is for him saying “catch the fucking ball” after that 3rd down play
It was just good defense. You don’t show up your teammates. I don’t care who you are or how many yards you’ve thrown for.
Can you imagine if he had Evan Engram on his team?
:-)
he has three Engram's on his team.
I'll agree to that as soon as one of them not only drops a pass but bats it up in the air for an easy turnover
MVS, for instance has atrocious hands. Believe me, Engram is no worse than him.
yea overall i would agree. he is way steadier. AR makes him much better than he really is, but he seems to have reliable hands.
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has been impressive. These guys have supported one of the best and most productive offenses in the league. And now they go today without All-Pro LT Bakhtiari who tore his ACL at the end of the season.
LT - Billy Turner (2014 Rd3 pick of MIA, 2019 free agent addition)
LG - Elgton Jenkins (2019 Rd2 pick of GB)
C - Corey Linsley (2014 Rd5 pick of GB)
RG - Lucas Patrick (2016 UDFA of GB)
RT - Rick Wagner (2013 Rd5 pick of BAL, 2020 free agent addition)
Not exactly first rounders or the highest paid Offensive lineman in league history. Even Bakhtiari was a 4th rd pick himself.
let's see what they do today
I think they’re holding up pretty well.
:- )
Can you spell "overrated?"
my feeling as well
Dude, do you ever fucking quit? Jesus Christ you are exhausting.
Well coached, well disciplined, tough Offensive Line unit.
Can you spell "overrated?"
Dudes playing with torn rib cartilage. Can’t imagine playing DL with that, play after play.
Well coached, well disciplined, tough Offensive Line unit.
It is incredible.
I can't prove this, but I think there Rodgers is an intangible factor in this. I would imagine players just want to dig and player better because they realize who they are blocking for one of the all-time greats...
And Aaron Rodgers is just simply great.
The guy is fucking great.
Beat me to the punch...or the O/U...
My favorite commentator.
He now has a target on his back because of that comparison by Clay Aikman.. he's no where close. LT didn't even prepare for games, he showed up and just dominated. Once in a century player.
It seems the defenses want to play at most 5 in the box to keep plenty of people back in coverage.
And neither team has been able to control their opponent's rushing attack with so few bodies in the box, something the Giants were usually pretty good at this past year.
another example of a guy who simply does not know how to catch a football. He should be reaching out and catching with his hands.. NOT trying to trap the ball against his chest
The mystique of Rodgers did it.
But he's been good, smart and patient.
She seems a bit... tipsy.
She seems a bit... tipsy.
I haven't noticed
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Aaron Donald ain't no LT. Shouldn't hear that comparison ever again.
He now has a target on his back because of that comparison by Clay Aikman.. he's no where close. LT didn't even prepare for games, he showed up and just dominated. Once in a century player.
I agree with both of these comments!
The mystique of Rodgers did it.
But he's been good, smart and patient.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
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Easy ones really.
The mystique of Rodgers did it.
But he's been good, smart and patient.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
Point taken.
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Easy ones really.
The mystique of Rodgers did it.
But he's been good, smart and patient.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
Smart play by the O
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Dude, do you ever fucking quit? Jesus Christ you are exhausting.
The Pack has t has t had a rest OL years. Rodgers is easily one of the top 5 QB of all time. Not giving DG a total pass but Reese is the architect of this teams failure to find OL for 11 years. lol. Don't come here much anymore but a stupid comment by bw. Some things never change
Yeh I hope she’s not having a stroke seriously.
Lets go RAMS!
Lol
She seems a bit... tipsy.
I thought the same thing. I was hoping she wasn’t having a stroke on Natl TV and might’ve just been hitting the bottle a little bit.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
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I hope Pam Oliver is OK.
She seems a bit... tipsy.
I thought the same thing. I was hoping she wasn’t having a stroke on Natl TV and might’ve just been hitting the bottle a little bit.
What did she do?
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
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Easy ones really.
The mystique of Rodgers did it.
But he's been good, smart and patient.
The first one for sure was easy but the second the DB had a legit gripe. The WR grabbed and held onto his one arm before the ball got there. He would’ve had to make that pick with one hand.
They never call that on the O but they should.
Smart play by the O
Definitely. Saved the pick and knowing it won’t get called, it was a smart play.
I wish Aaron Rodgers was our c-nt!!
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
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Is a c-nt
I wish Aaron Rodgers was our c-nt!!
Ew
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Is a c-nt
I wish Aaron Rodgers was our c-nt!!
You are a weirdo. The clown is looking for a c-nt now?
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Burkhart had a great education.
Willy P in the house
I guess I'm rooting for GB, though I have no love for either team. McVay though...I really don't like him.
And of course the ball rolled back right into Rogers hands lol
If that was us it wouldve rolled free back ten yards holding up a "Pick me up and score an easy TD!" sign
GB vs KC is going to be a great game
Great QB > Great Def
What's the big deal with the Rams? What's the personal connection with them?
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I get that it's hard to win Super Bowls, but it sometimes amazes me that the Packers have had 2 HOF QBs as starters since '92 & only 2 Lombardis to show for it. You'd think between Favre & Rodgers they'd have more, but alas.
GB vs KC is going to be a great game
Based on GB's defense, I think KC rolls them. Bad.
I think the only hope to beat KC is Buffalo at this point. Josh Allen's game just creates so many problems now that his accuracy issues are under control.
ugh.. leave Jones out of it. He can't sniff Rodgers' jock strap.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
Have you watched them the last two years?
Just goes to show that it’s a team game. The packers have had decent defenses but rarely one that you would elite ..... and that’s one of the necessary elements.
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How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
Have you watched them the last two years?
I guess I overestimated the Rams run D vs. that matchup. I knew the Packs ground game was good but thought LA could do more
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How wrong I was. Green Bay’s precision tonight was unreal. I underestimated their running game. Bigtime win for them and they solidify themselves as the favorite in the NFC unless one of TB/NO steamroll the other.
you underestimated Aaron Jones - J. Williams - and Dillon?
Have you watched them the last two years?
I guess I overestimated the Rams run D vs. that matchup. I knew the Packs ground game was good but thought LA could do more
Packers offense is a headache, no doubt
F the Ravens. Also, I want Lamar to have a bad game so GoTerps vs. ryanmkeane go into the ring for like the 7559th time.
F the Ravens. Also, I want Lamar to have a bad game so GoTerps vs. ryanmkeane go into the ring for like the 7559th time.
I like your style guy....
Drafted out of Bama in 2016 in the second round, pick 46 overall, he never panned out for the Lions and came to the Rams this year.
A year later the Giants drafted a similar type player (but with a much better work ethic?) to Robinson from the 'Tide, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Dalvin developed into a much better player than Robinson ever was.
There's no guarantee at all that Tomlinson will be easily replaced.
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
Drafted out of Bama in 2016 in the second round, pick 46 overall, he never panned out for the Lions and came to the Rams this year.
A year later the Giants drafted a similar type player (but with a much better work ethic?) to Robinson from the 'Tide, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Dalvin developed into a much better player than Robinson ever was.
There's no guarantee at all that Tomlinson will be easily replaced.
Ashawn was VERY highly regarded. I kinda liked him...he had a better combine I believe than Jarran Reed who was mentioned in the same breath as A Rob. But cautionary tale or not,I dont think we need to replace Dalvin with another run stuffing lineman. I think just another well-rounded DL will do it because our other two guys play the run plenty well.
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
F the Ravens. Also, I want Lamar to have a bad game so GoTerps vs. ryanmkeane go into the ring for like the 7559th time.
Then tying it to Daniel Jones
Donald probably shouldn't have even suited up
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
I would applaud if you simply stopped.
Just STFU and stop bothering to get involved in shot that doesnt involve you Googs. You post a million times a day and 99% of it is vapid and tedious.
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OL, and how they were selected/added, and it just adds fuel to just how poor DG has been at building ours.
Wow, can you put the freaking schtick down for one evening and enjoy some playoff football. Pick your exhausting bloviating back up again on Monday. So annoying. Also looking forward to your normal annoying response to this with your normal jab at “Jints Central” intertwined. God life must suck being so negative all the time.
👍. There are more than a few posters who manage to integrate their narrative into every post, especially game posts
I applaud your effort to call them out.
Thank you!!!!! And yes, there is a difference in Terps' approach and that of bw. Just enjoy the game and go back to being a Skins fan in a month.
like you two sanctimonious assholes don’t have agendas and narratives that you aren’t working all the time. Look in the mirror when you are through jerking each other off
I certainly dont but even if I did, Im not talking about the Giants on a thread that has nothing to do with them.
Btw, literally nobody cares what you have to say HandJob45.
Homer, I don’t think having a narrative was the point. I think it was about the need to interject it as often as they do.
I suppose I do have a narrative, that wasn’t the pt.
I would applaud if what you all started simply stopped.
Agree, this thread should be about the games and not everybody’s Giants “agenda.” Let’s hope we get a good game tonight.
Did she finally accept that date request from Michale Irvin? Could be an explanation.
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Or is she bombed?
Did she finally accept that date request from Michale Irvin? Could be an explanation.
A bit vapid.
Allowed practically zero pass rush and opened the way for, what, 200 rushing yards?
On a scale of 1 to 10, let's say Green Bay's offensive line is a 10.
What is the New York Giants'?
4, 5, 6?
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Or is she bombed?
Did she finally accept that date request from Michale Irvin? Could be an explanation.
A bit vapid.
You tried using the word "vapid"....
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
He went 21 of 27 for 174 yards and one TD. Maybe he would have put up better stats had his defense not been destroyed and humiliated all day long.
How bout this....I havent had a drink since the 2nd, stop being my BBI mother Googs. You post all day and offer nothing. Why dont you let this handle go and start with another one. You pile on to other people's posts and stalk other posters looking to provoke. Just dont bother.
Btw, I never like you.
Go Bills.
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In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
Oh it was noticeable. The first time I thought what the hell and gave her a pass thinking it was the cold. The next two times I thought either the bottle or she’s having a stroke like problem.
Go Bills.
This I can agree with. Go Bills!
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
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blast guys and do it so vehemently, you sound like a crazy drunk. Let it go with bw. It’s not a big deal.
Btw, I never like you.
Apologies as I can tell I hit it too close to home with my comment.
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In all seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if Oliver-due to the cold-took a few shots of whiskey to warm herself up, no matter how unprofessional that might be. If I was standing out in the cold for hours, I'd probably do the same, Haha.
As a waiter? Sure. As a sideline reporter, she shpuld be fired on the spot if it was that noticeable. I honestly didnt see any of her sideline reports.
Oh it was noticeable. The first time I thought what the hell and gave her a pass thinking it was the cold. The next two times I thought either the bottle or she’s having a stroke like problem.
Yea, I saw it. Holy SHIT! She was banged up for sure!
I think I may have had tee many martoonis - ( New Window )
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with an agenda. I can show plenty of your own as we both know.
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
That wasn’t to you. It was to the bubba guy.
Are u ok?
He’s not a spandex top guy
Good call, earlier btw, on the Bills LBs being soft on the run...
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Good call, earlier btw, on the Bills LBs being soft on the run...
They aren’t as bad against run as they look. Not good no doubt, but a large part of that is scheme. Should be interesting how they attack a team like Ravens.
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with an agenda. I can show plenty of your own as we both know.
Go Bills.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...at all, but I truly hope you don't eat something this weekend that u have a severe allergy to. And I mean that dickhead.
🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn’t say that yet. Bills have some explosive plays in them, not sure the Ravens do unfortunately. Allen has strong arm but he’s gotta do better job adjusting to wind on those intermediate and long balls. Hit or miss so far.
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I wouldn’t say that yet. Bills have some explosive plays in them, not sure the Ravens do unfortunately. Allen has strong arm but he’s gotta do better job adjusting to wind on those intermediate and long balls. Hit or miss so far.
Hope you are right!
46 yards. Well within his range but maybe the wind is a bigger factor? Tucker is going to be hard to trust the rest of the game on longer ones. Interesting to see how coaches change their strategy after three misses.
Allen is either throwing 20 yards downfield or scrambling and going to the outlet on the sidelines. He may end up hitting one, but he's missing badly.
This is why I’m not sure some people here watch other teams around the league. All QBs miss throws, but our guy needs to be almost damn perfect to put up points and than we nit pick. Bills are still capable of putting up 30 if Allen starts to get hot. It’s certainly there.
Allen is either throwing 20 yards downfield or scrambling and going to the outlet on the sidelines. He may end up hitting one, but he's missing badly.
Honestly I’d stick with what they are doing. They are going to connect here in a bunch soon. Blink and 20 pts up on board Chiefs style.
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should at least have a couple of runs to keep the D honest.
Allen is either throwing 20 yards downfield or scrambling and going to the outlet on the sidelines. He may end up hitting one, but he's missing badly.
Honestly I’d stick with what they are doing. They are going to connect here in a bunch soon. Blink and 20 pts up on board Chiefs style.
Except Allen is airmailing everything. He's probably closer to throwing a deep pick to a safety than connecting on a TD.
Except Allen is airmailing everything. He's probably closer to throwing a deep pick to a safety than connecting on a TD.
I stick with the girl that brought me to dance than all of a sudden try to become a running football team against one of the most physical defenses in league that just shut down Henry.
The crazy part is that to me is the biggest question about him being a SB winning QB, but if Chiefs win tomorrow, there’s a chance he won’t have to answer that question unless Bucs/Saints make SB. Chiefs are super soft against run to, but they may need to go one dimensional to catch up. This Ravens D really ringing bell and Maryindale namely. He should certainly be in talks for HC job, but he’s an old white defensive guy so he wont.
Usually snowing iirc.
Hope all is well. Miss those days.
Incapable?
Well, he's not Peyton Manning, but he can read a defense. His problem is mechanics and delivery. And I think in these elements, he doesn't throw a ball that can cut through the wind (when he's into it).
So does Jackson
Barely made it.
Oh, well. Tie game.
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So does Jackson
Tough to throw anything dep tonight.
Yes, he does.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
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He is great scrambling for yards but he seems incapable of reading the field in the pocket.
Incapable?
Well, he's not Peyton Manning, but he can read a defense. His problem is mechanics and delivery. And I think in these elements, he doesn't throw a ball that can cut through the wind (when he's into it).
Disagree. But he won MVP so know I have a minority position but feel league caught up with him and will allow him his rushing yards knowing he can’t read or throw against coverages
Buffalo doesn't have to pound the ball - but in windy conditions, to not even run the ball every once in awhile is criminal.
I think you'll see some more runs in the 2nd half, even if just to open up downfield a little more. Buffalo will certainly be 2nd guessed if Allen overthrows another WR and gets picked. It isn't like he's missed high once or twice. It is nearly every throw
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not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
What adjustments can they make? Run the ball for minimal gains? Plays are there, players need to go make them.
Buffalo doesn't have to pound the ball - but in windy conditions, to not even run the ball every once in awhile is criminal.
I think you'll see some more runs in the 2nd half, even if just to open up downfield a little more. Buffalo will certainly be 2nd guessed if Allen overthrows another WR and gets picked. It isn't like he's missed high once or twice. It is nearly every throw
The Ravens aren’t bringing another safety to stop the run, they don’t have to. Only reason to run ball is if pass rush becomes too much.
He never could
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not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
6-3. Adjust and try something less dep.
We’ll see. It’s two plays , I could have told you first play out of half is gonna be run.
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like McDermott is making an adjustment
We’ll see. It’s two plays , I could have told you first play out of half is gonna be run.
But that's all they need. Just threaten to run
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not running, but if they think they can protect Allen enough, why run the ball? The run game isn’t good and it’s a strength of Ravens D. No reason for them to run it. They aren’t scoring points because of a drop in end zone , missed figs, and Allen struggling with wind. Generally QBs get that ironed out at halftime once they get a feel. It’s windy, but it’s not a hurricane.
Even with that's it's what 10-3? They need to make some adjustments.
6-3. Adjust and try something less dep.
Yep use Diggs and get Beasley more involved to attack the intermediate and short routes.
Adjusting play calls, and not looking to throw it dep all the time worked well.
Looked like a sequence we've been all too familiar with
What did he see?
Response: "yea but has Jones ever been in a position to throw a red zone pick six in the playoffs?"
And then, ::crickets::
C'mon man
Not cool.
Lamar didn’t throw it dep enough. And those usually get picked.
Bummer....
It's right on edge...But I think they can.
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Still the best pick in that draft? LOL
Not cool.
Not cool? He's crickets when Lamar chokes. And bashes Jones ever time he struggles. If he can't take it he shouldn't dish it. I'm enjoying this
What did he see?
More like what he didn’t see and why?
He read the defense well, all right.
He threw it right to them.
Safety?
Case closed
Nope he will NEVER win it all. Hope he's ok though.
I've been consistent on this since he was a prospect coming out of Louisville.
But good QBs improvise!! And throw guys open!! I heard it here...
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He simply can't read a defense or make throws when he needs to. It's been shown in the playoffs the last 3 years
He read the defense well, all right.
He threw it right to them.
Safety?
I think he was at the 2. They might prefer a safety!
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He simply can't read a defense or make throws when he needs to. It's been shown in the playoffs the last 3 years
I've been consistent on this since he was a prospect coming out of Louisville.
Yep he beats up on crappy teams in the regular season and people think he's great 🤣
NFL defenses can shut any one thing down, in this case the run. Offenses need to be able to adapt and beat you in other ways.
I thought he was in the endzone
Eli Apple on the field?
Lol they weren't even comparable
He does struggle with reading a defense. So does our QB. Maybe one day they will both learn.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
Dep?
He hit his head on the ground falling back after a routine hit. The Bills player didn’t cheap shot him or drive his head into the ground. That’s why there was no penalty.
I don't know why you hate the guy so much, but my guess is it's just because you're an asshole.
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He's on SB winning team....if he gets that far : )
Nope he will NEVER win it all. Hope he's ok though.
That snap went dep over Lamar’s head. Not his fault at all.
Still haven't seen it. Was it roughing?
You could argue he's a runner at the point...??
Lol
Fitting in Buffalo. It used to be JimKellyitis
That would suck.
Great player, great athlete. Just not sure he’s a championship QB.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
He's more like a guy who was bitten by a radioactive Dep and now has the antagonistic powers of 10 ordinary men.
Yup, I said this on a different post earlier. His style of play at QB leads to injuries.
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Nothing for that hit on Lamar is surprising..
Still haven't seen it. Was it roughing?
You could argue he's a runner at the point...??
The guy shoved him 3 seconds after he let go of the ball. Allen acted but he had no business putting his hands on him. By rule it was called correctly.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Holy shit that's it. Thanks. I am in your debt.
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Would be a disaster.
Yup, I said this on a different post earlier. His style of play at QB leads to injuries.
And going 1-3 in the playoffs
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
It seems like there are numerous new dupes rolling out on a monthly basis
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Holy shit that's it. Thanks. I am in your debt.
HAHAHAHA you are full blown crazy. No comment on Lamar tonight? Pathetic choke artist that will never be anything more than a RB. 🤣🤣
A playoff game thread
And a bicker thread
Why?
Bizarre and half amusing, don’t let it bother you dude.
Yea, the oline stayed home. Multiple bad snaps and pressure through the middle. Lamar had no chance tonight.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dupes all over the place right now - and some really annoying ones.
Yeah after Bradberry Glue, Saquads is the slowest and most repetitive of the dupes.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Holy shit that's it. Thanks. I am in your debt.
Easy way to verify. Say something bad about Eli and see how he reacts.
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Baltimore OL has not been able to pass block the whole night. That was almost a safety. I wonder if Jackson has a concussion after that last hit.
Yea, the oline stayed home. Multiple bad snaps and pressure through the middle. Lamar had no chance tonight.
Lamar had a chance to tie the game and threw a pick 6. End of discussion
No. That was one of the simo dupes.
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Baltimore OL has not been able to pass block the whole night. That was almost a safety. I wonder if Jackson has a concussion after that last hit.
Yea, the oline stayed home. Multiple bad snaps and pressure through the middle. Lamar had no chance tonight.
Lamar had a chance to tie the game and threw a pick 6. End of discussion
shh
Why the need to tell us any of that? Some waste of time thread telling us about his big family.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
Dep?
Hundo percent dep...just by the posting frequency alone....good call.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know right!!!!
::eye roll::
Different eras, but LJax is more accurate than Cunningham.
And Cunningham, while a good runner, isn't in the same stratoshere as a runner...
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Not a Knicks fan if that helps
If Baltimore extends Jackson they will eject win a Super Bowl with him. After the last 3 years he's proven he's a TERRIBLE QB.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Rough night to kick.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Vick had an unbelievable arm. But he has a long, funky motion and struggled with touch and accuracy.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Allen is a definite.
Baltimore has a lot of thinking to do...
I’ve heard McAfee talk about this. He’s not even sure why they have flags on the goal posts because that almost never tells you picture what’s going on field. These guys do their best to figure it out pregame but things can change on a dime when it’s like tonight. It’s why you saw both Brady and DJ struggle first half in that game and then settle in. I will say Allen was way way off on a couple throws. Gotta be a bit better than that when you have a canon anc play in a Buffalo.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Dan Marino is not shit but super overrated by Fins fans.
Teams win Lombardi trophies, not individuals.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Teams win Lombardi trophies, not individuals.
Should be “Pure passer”, not “our passer”.
Dan Marino is not shit but super overrated by Fins fans.
How old are you? Eighteen?
Marino was nothing short of great.
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In NFL history. He was not overrated by Fin fans.
Teams win Lombardi trophies, not individuals.
Should be “Pure passer”, not “our passer”.
Don't think anyone is going to question Marino's talents lol. GOAT discussion caliber QB.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.
Kyle Pitts catches that ball.
I think people really need to start getting some fresh air again.
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Kyle Pitts catches that ball.
Usually Andrews does, too.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Try again...
No... I don't think so. Dep e-mailed me last year
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Try again...
You said it’s all about Lombardis. Do you get those for winning championship games now?
Way to double down on the stupid.
dep and I fought it out pretty hard here at BBI but he reached out to me when he was banned. He's actually a good guy, so I believe him on this...
It is clear that both guys are able to help their teams win regular season games.
I will point out that if this was a Giants' playoff game tonight and Jones delivered the same performance as Jackson, the talk would be how he sucks and we need to find a new QB.
What should not be lost in this game is my belief that defense wins championships. The Buffalo defense should get the MVP tonight.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.
Vick didn’t have personnel and a crackerjack offense designed specifically for him like Lamar does. When Vick went to the Eagles Reid actually developed him and designed an offense that got the best out of him. He was just old at that point.
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
Seattle vs philly last year was ZZZZZZZZZZ
dep and I fought it out pretty hard here at BBI but he reached out to me when he was banned. He's actually a good guy, so I believe him on this...
Lots of members with egg on their face in here. Especially TERPS 🤣
Too many damn Zoomers here
dep and I fought it out pretty hard here at BBI but he reached out to me when he was banned. He's actually a good guy, so I believe him on this...
Saquads likes to tell people how great he is at investing in Bitcoin, which wasn't something dep did. I thought he was Denny. dep would be on the other sports threads if he were here regularly too especially the NBA
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?
And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...
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congrats to buffalo. I don’t like either of those teams but buffalo hasn’t had a playoff win since before I was born.
Too many damn Zoomers here
I try to know NFL history but aside from teams like 80s niners only Giants stuff sticks in my head!
The new Texans.
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.
I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.
Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.
Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.
Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...
Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!
Unbelievably dumb hot take.
Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.
Try again...
You said it’s all about Lombardis. Do you get those for winning championship games now?
Way to double down on the stupid.
And yet, Jackson hasn’t even reached the championship game. So people should stop with the bullshit that he’s all that. I never said those two were shit, but Jackson is 1-3 in playoff games. At least those guys made the SB
He's it a great QB. Doesn't mean he can't become one but right now Mahones is the only guy who's proven he's great out of the younger QBs.
This BBI dupe hunt is more entertaining than this boring game.
The whole “he never won a Super Bowl” is idiocy. No one player has ever won a Super Bowl. Jackson couldn’t win in the playoffs until he did last week. Eli couldn’t win the big one until he did. It’s a stupid barometer for people who hate thinking.
Well, he's only 24, so there is time.
But it's a fair criticism.
Still, he's getting to the playoffs and made a great run late this season to get the Ravens there.
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Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?
And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...
Normally I would agree. But with his playing style he probably has 3-4 good seasons left.
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
QBs - like every other player - should be evaluated on all of their play, not the games you randomly select.
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.
Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.
You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.
Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.
Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.
Vick didn’t have personnel and a crackerjack offense designed specifically for him like Lamar does. When Vick went to the Eagles Reid actually developed him and designed an offense that got the best out of him. He was just old at that point.
Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
Exactly, a good RB and that's it.
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
The heisman award is incredibly sus
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
They won more without him and had a sucky offense anyway.
Normally I would agree. But with his playing style he probably has 3-4 good seasons left.
I hear you. He does have a Gumby element to his game and always seems to pop back up. Until tonight...but that could have happened to anyone on the botched snap.
But he definitely needs to improve his mechanics and pocket skills.
Let's be honest. He's so unusual with this style that he's an easy target when he struggles in these games.
Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.
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Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.
I meant this century. My b.
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are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship
Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.
and as a matter of fact, they have been to 8 of them. More than any AFCE team other than the Pats.
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Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.
You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?
And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
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Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.
I meant this century. My b.
Gotcha
Did Eli Manning not become a better passer after 2005, or was that the peek for him as a passer and the rest of his career was just at that plateau?
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
That’s a reasonable assessment. Jackson has also won an NFL MVP and a playoff game.
Can you apply the same standard to Daniel Jones? If he sucks next year with a hopefully improved supporting cast and a healthy saquon i hope we don’t hear a list of excuses and head into year four in the same qb purgatory were in now
There is when the QB does nothing all night, throws a pick 6 to seal the game, and the backup QB comes off the bench cold and throws the ball better.
The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
What? Mr. Ultimate QB himself? The model of "Todays NFL" needs off season throwing lessons?
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
Any half decent NFL QB ties the game there. He cost his team the game and season. He's terrible.
What? Mr. Ultimate QB himself? The model of "Todays NFL" needs off season throwing lessons?
LJax needs to get better as a passer - yes.
But let's not act like he's Nathan Peterman. This guy is an immensely talented football player who can score points by land and air.
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
Maybe but I don’t think that solves the problem. The game sealing pick tonight wasn’t an inaccurate throw or mechanics. It was a terrible decision. It was terrible decisions all night if you look at the sacks he took.
The book is out on Lamar. Keep him in the pocket and let him hang himself.
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
There is when the QB does nothing all night, throws a pick 6 to seal the game, and the backup QB comes off the bench cold and throws the ball better.
Yep and when you score a 7 on the Wonderlic and prove time and time again you can't read a defense.
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
No, I wouldn't. Getting this far in the playoffs would feel like a miracle.
You think I'd rip Jones for losing in the divisional round on the road in his third season? You've got a short memory...I was here sticking up for Eli when that wasnt a popular thing to do.
When Jones earns some backing and some faith, I'll be right there giving it to him.
For Jones thus far getting to 20 points is a chore - let alone a divisional playoff game. Let him get us there next year, and he can throw ten picks in the game and I won't give him a tough time over it.
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
If the Bills lose by scoring 3 points and Allen throws a terrible pick, he'll get criticized. Just like he was criticized when he blew the end of the Texans game last year.
ANY QB will.
Look - replace the Ravens with the Giants tonight - what would BBI say about the QB play? They'd want Jones cut tommorrow and you damn well know it. Terps would be ranting and raving - not saying "oh, we lost to a great Buffalo team".
And that's the hypocrisy of the post - some people don't want their minds changed - you included.
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.
This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
I doubt Jordan Palmer takes him on, he has a reputation to protect. He’s a massive fix and at this point a lost cause.
I give Lamar credit though, these young athlete QBs are understanding it earlier. We are seeing more and more of these guys that can actually play QB at an NFL level. He went up Louisville and worked on being a actual QB. With his athletic ability he could of easily just ran the ball and won a fuckton of games like these guys used to. More anc more you are seeing these really athletic QBs try to be throw first.
The real question is, I’m not sure you can ever develop to get to that elite level making decisions and reading defenses that all the greats have that as soon as it gets hard you can take off a run. Obviously Lamar could do better with his mechanics and getting ball to sidelines, but it’s not all that.
For guys that consistently do it in the pocket under pressure. The problem is Lamar doesn’t get that experience because against all the mediocre and bad defenses he can rely on his legs to make plays for him when push comes to shove. Go up against disciplined defenses and we saw the results. The Bills D isn’t even good.
Not for ones that look to run first and don't have the mental capacity to learn and adjust. He is what he is, he will never be any better.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.
Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.
That's what's amazing to me. It's like the Giants have been good, and we've just been stuck in the Matrix or something. In the world I live in, they're 15-33 the last three seasons.
That's not worthy of criticism? If that isn't, what is?
The real question is, I’m not sure you can ever develop to get to that elite level making decisions and reading defenses that all the greats have that as soon as it gets hard you can take off a run. Obviously Lamar could do better with his mechanics and getting ball to sidelines, but it’s not all that.
He's got 68 career TD passes and only 18 INTs. That's a 3.8 ration, which is pretty damn good. And some pretty good decisions...
Was typing way too fast.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
That's not worthy of criticism? If that isn't, what is?
It’s really weird. Personally, I’m stupid optimistic about the Giants. I can find positivity in almost anything.
If Jones won a playoff game, I’d be on here finding ways to prove his trajectory was Super Bowl bound.
But the Giants just keep freaking losing.
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
Comparing the Giants and Ravens right now is apples to oranges. But FMIC is the ultimate Giants Shill so he’s taking this as a victory lap.
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Jones turns 24 next year. If he won a playoff game, and then shit the bed in round 2, we’d all still be besides ourselves with joy. The idea of him winning even one playoff game next year is a glorious pipe dream at this point. Completely different expectations.
Comparing the Giants and Ravens right now is apples to oranges. But FMIC is the ultimate Giants Shill so he’s taking this as a victory lap. [/quote
Lamar has proven he’s good enough to shepherd a team to 13-3, and good enough to win at least one playoff game. We haven’t sniffed .500 and I’m not even sure if Jones has ever beaten a .500 plus team (it was McCoy who won the Seattle game, our sad little high point the past 4 years). Maybe next year Jones can start to move to some sort of relevance where if he loses, opposing fans can call him a choker like Lamar. Fingers crossed.
Hell, they went undefeated one season and won it all. Only team to do so. But he meant this century. That post caught my eye too though.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
Has he really? Doesn't surprise me at all. Pathetic
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
So has everyone else, up to and including Accorsi, who said he played scared. That's not made up.
James Harrison intercepted Kurt Warner for 100 yards
And no, I don't think LJ is anywhere near the passer Kurt was at this point in his career, but that can change. Lamar is still only 24, he has the tools to develop into a better passer if he puts the work in and if the team gets better players around him.
Baltimore wouldn't be in the playoffs without him. He had to throw to Dez Bryant (who was running around with a fork in his back), working with a poor OL that can't pass block, and without any real threats at WR, and still carried the team on his back.
Oh, and I don't think it helps to "taylor" the offense around him, either...I think that has hurt his development as an NFL QB. I think you'd see a much more complete player if his head coach was Andy Reid, for example.
I mean, they won 20-17 and shut down Henry. Lamar is 1-3, and hasn't played well in any playoff game. He's one-dimensional, and yes, he has gaudy regular season numbers, mainly because he gets more than his fair share of wide open receivers, which, to be fair, is because of the immense respect he demands as a runner.
To me, this was never a Daniel Jones vs Lamar argument. Not sure what the relevance of Jones is. I wasn't a fan of the DJ pick at the time either. But the Lamar worship has gone on and on, including the narrative that Gettleman should've drafted him, and yet, I'll stand by my eval of him from back then. Tremendous athlete, bad QB. This will continue to happen with him year after year until he can't escape and rip off those 50 yard runs anymore, and then he'll be finished.
If you ask me, I thought their play calling was crap. They were moving the ball with ease on their first drive, and then just completely changed their plan.
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It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
To be fair, you’ve knocked Collins for as long as I can remember for his performance in the Superbowl of all games, against one of the best defenses in nfl history.
You remember at the end of last year you called me out because I was critical of Daniel Jones's performance? You said I was more or less doing my contrarian schtick when most were feeling good about his rookie season. Remember that? How are you feeling now?
Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.
Oh boo hoo! Poor Lamar Jackson. Spare us your same old lecture on this guy. We are just coming off a stellar career of a 15 year starting QB who never missed a game and won us 2 Super Bowl titles along the way and guess what? He was pretty much taken for granted all 15 years. Eli could never measure in the eyes of many a Giant fan, I read it right here on this board his entire career. Eli also happens to be white so maybe you should stop insinuating foul play as well.
It boils down to the fact that Lamar Jackson gets his ass kissed by many of the same people here who refuse to acknowledge even an ounce of anything positive related to Jones or the franchise overall. Of course people will snicker when he sucks in the playoffs. Many quarterbacks have had to answer for a drop off in their postseason play. He’s not the first. Won’t be the last.
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
May I add, Josh Allen and his approx. 5.5 YPA? Oh and he fumbled. The kid had arguably an MVP year and certainly appears to be the goods, but on here? A one-legged DJ, who had been making a lot of progress with Garrett for 3 1/2 errorless, moving the chains (with Arm AND legs) games, then had his ups and downs post-injury, would have been killed on here..
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.
They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.
Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
If the Bills lose by scoring 3 points and Allen throws a terrible pick, he'll get criticized. Just like he was criticized when he blew the end of the Texans game last year.
ANY QB will.
Look - replace the Ravens with the Giants tonight - what would BBI say about the QB play? They'd want Jones cut tommorrow and you damn well know it. Terps would be ranting and raving - not saying "oh, we lost to a great Buffalo team".
And that's the hypocrisy of the post - some people don't want their minds changed - you included.
Had Jones won the MVP this year and played like this in a playoff game, there would be no massive call to cut him tomorrow. That is ridiculously naive and biased.
And what opinion is it am I staunchly defending? Jackson is a good QB? That is an opinion shared by most everyone who watches NFL football.
If you ask me, I thought their play calling was crap. They were moving the ball with ease on their first drive, and then just completely changed their plan.
Thank you for this, pretty simple. The Lamar hot takes also ignore that Dobbins dropped a couple of key balls, the OL had one of their worst games and the wind neutralized their 2nd biggest weapon - the kicker. But just like Eli, until Lamar carries a team to the Championship game / Super Bowl, he is garbage.
Not sure how a 5.5 ypa can be considered a “good game.” A managed game? Sure. DJ “managed” some pretty nice games pre-injury..I think too many people are already dug in about DJ (not necessarily you). I’ll wait for SB to return (assuming he’s good to go as I expect him to be) as a big aid to DJ.
A thread on here talks about how Garrett has been assessed depending on the AVAILABLE talent he has at his disposal. Should JG return, I look forward to all the options he’ll hopefully have available with a healthy SB and an improved receiving corps.
If DJ shows no progress, I’ll be one of the first to negatively assess his play. I am not dug in. Just trying to be fair.
Will be interesting to see if Jackson's representatives push for a contract and if the Ravens commit long term. If they feel Jackson can develop still as a pocket passer then they probably need to give him more help. As others stated, winning a championship requires teams to be balanced and be able to do things that are outside their strengths.
I don’t think Allen’s performance was in the same stratosphere as Eli’s but i’d say that we need to use our eyes in attention to the stats. The Bills OL was breaking down under a very intense Ravens pass rush, yet Allen was constantly preventing that from turning into negative yardage, and meanwhile completed about 66% of his passes, a good ratio, with no INTs. He was also using that cannon of an arm to force the Ravens to defend the whole field.
I wouldn’t call what he did being a game manager. It was more like playing winning football in a tough playoff context.
I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.
How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
Ummm yes u would.
I don’t think Allen’s performance was in the same stratosphere as Eli’s but i’d say that we need to use our eyes in attention to the stats. The Bills OL was breaking down under a very intense Ravens pass rush, yet Allen was constantly preventing that from turning into negative yardage, and meanwhile completed about 66% of his passes, a good ratio, with no INTs. He was also using that cannon of an arm to force the Ravens to defend the whole field.
I wouldn’t call what he did being a game manager. It was more like playing winning football in a tough playoff context.
That’s EXACTLY how I try to look at games..I simply noted the “5.5” and the “game manager” points as examples of what flucking goes on here. I only care about how the QB runs his team, regardless of stats or cliches. Yes, Eli is the perfect example. DJ has begun to learn how to win after the 0-5/1-7 starts, but needs better complements. He needs to continue to show improvement. Mistakes are going to happen no matter how much he hopefully improves..
Bottom line? DJ was moving this team when he had his legs. He was moving the chains and I’m not going to cite Engrams multiple TD drops to prop up DJ. That shit happens to all. But pre-injury he was doing a good job, but his lack of stats were constantly cited here, regardless of talent around him, health and so on..
So, all I, as a fan care about, is can this guy take charge of this team to help them ascend? Can he move the chains..I believe he can and has shown that. can he be more consistent moving forward with better personnel to work with? He better, or else he’s not our answer long term.
You’d still be pissing and moaning every step of the way. It’s in your nature. I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls and even in those seasons the whining never stopped from this miserable fan base. There’s a large portion of Giants fans that absolutely deserve to be going through this extended drought. And you’re on top of the list. You don’t deserve a championship.
You hate everybody on here and my guess is everybody who isn't even on here too.
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Oh how I wish we could be so critical of our guys reaching these heights.
You’d still be pissing and moaning every step of the way. It’s in your nature. I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls and even in those seasons the whining never stopped from this miserable fan base. There’s a large portion of Giants fans that absolutely deserve to be going through this extended drought. And you’re on top of the list. You don’t deserve a championship.
And you do?
If you polled a bunch of Giants and Eagles fans I’d be willing to bet Foles is more beloved by Eagles fans than Ei is here.
Good discussion. The AFC Championship will be a humdinger. Peace out.
If you polled a bunch of Giants and Eagles fans I’d be willing to bet Foles is more beloved by Eagles fans than Ei is here.
Every fan base has a similar faction. It's like you guys think all sports fans go singing and riding around on the good ship Lollipop all day.
And the comment on Eli is out of bounds wrong.
Good discussion. The AFC Championship will be a humdinger. Peace out.
Back atcha my friend.
Mental attributes and intangibles continue to be the most important traits for a QB.
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.
There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.
You'd be leading the charge!
May I add, Josh Allen and his approx. 5.5 YPA? Oh and he fumbled. The kid had arguably an MVP year and certainly appears to be the goods, but on here? A one-legged DJ, who had been making a lot of progress with Garrett for 3 1/2 errorless, moving the chains (with Arm AND legs) games, then had his ups and downs post-injury, would have been killed on here..
Out of curiosity, did you watch the game?
Did you see Buffalo’s very strange game plan in the first half where they ran just 2X? The fewest rushing attempts ever in a playoff game for a half. Daboll seemed to be unaware of the wind conditions and cold. And still had Allen cutting it loose and throwing deep way too many times.
Allen’s second half was much better than his first, btw.
It’s funny, too, how Allen has one off game, in a season of very few, and you bring up Jones who had very few good games the entire season...
There's no doubt in my mind that any giants QB would get ripped for the same performance that happened last night.
Just look at what Terps said above. He stands by the idea Collins played scared in the SB and ripped him continually after that game, nevermind that he was playing against a historic defense.
When Jackson shit the bed, it is due to a tip of the cap to Buffalo and kudos for making it that far.
It is almost a long troll job at this point.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
That was a bad pick 6 and any QB in the league, including New York Giant QBs, should take some criticism for throwing it.
And, Kerry Collins absolutely played like a deer in headlights versus Ravens. And its not an excuse it was against a historic defense. He could have and needed to play better.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
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That was a bad pick 6 and any QB in the league, including New York Giant QBs, should take some criticism for throwing it.
And, Kerry Collins absolutely played like a deer in headlights versus Ravens. And its not an excuse it was against a historic defense. He could have and needed to play better.
He does not have the arm talent. He doesn't. I know he's young, but that's not likely fixable. I'm telling you, when his mobility is degraded to the level of someone like, say, a Ryan Tannehill (who is pretty mobile), the wheels are going to completely fall off. It's going to get ugly.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
Where are the excuses exactly? LJax made a major mistake that basically killed the game. That play had nothing to do with arm talent - which you recently cite - but a poor decision where he didn't see the safety.
A lot of QBs have made the mistake - average ones, good ones, great ones.
It gets highlighted because of LJax's post-season struggles. Not saying this isn't fair, but his regular season passing numbers, despite his unorthodox style, are absolutely nothing to sneeze at...
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For why Lamar couldn't get it done again.
He's not a championship QB. Rodgers lost his LT also. He got it done.
Lamar laid a fat egg and threw a pick 6 in the red zone. An INT where he didn't see the defender. His kicker missed a FG or two. So what. You don't play for field goals. They lose the game making those FGs too.
Lamar is a great runner. Electric. He is not a good QB. I look forward to re-hashing this argument again next season. But I don't get the fascination with regular season accomplishments and stats and awards when your QB doesn't give you a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl. And he doesn't.
Where are the excuses exactly? LJax made a major mistake that basically killed the game. That play had nothing to do with arm talent - which you recently cite - but a poor decision where he didn't see the safety.
A lot of QBs have made the mistake - average ones, good ones, great ones.
It gets highlighted because of LJax's post-season struggles. Not saying this isn't fair, but his regular season passing numbers, despite his unorthodox style, are absolutely nothing to sneeze at...
I'm sorry, did I say that the INT was due to arm talent? No, no I did not. I said he's not going to get significantly better because of arm talent.
Him not seeing the defender IS a mistake that a lot of QBs make, yes. Him not getting his team a TD in 3 quarters, though...that doesn't happen with most championship caliber QBs. I do question whether or not he is a great decision maker as a passer, but that's very hard to evaluate because he's not a guy that is going to go through his progressions often. And his passing numbers are a function of his ability to hurt a team running with the football. It is not a function of his arm talent. That's why I said when his running ability is degraded, he won't be successful, and that's when you will see the passing numbers fall off a cliff, when defenses can play more traditional coverage packages.