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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/16/2021 1:50 pm


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Lamar Jackson is now 1-3 in the playoffs  
Saquads26 : 1/16/2021 11:20 pm : link
With 3TDs and 5INTs
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:20 pm : link
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Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.


You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?

And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...
RE: RE: Terrible game but…  
stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:21 pm : link
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congrats to buffalo. I don’t like either of those teams but buffalo hasn’t had a playoff win since before I was born.



Too many damn Zoomers here

I try to know NFL history but aside from teams like 80s niners only Giants stuff sticks in my head!
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stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:22 pm : link
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Another crushing playoff embarrassment for the Ravens and their admirers. It really is a shame.

The new Texans.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's amazing the influence I seem to have on other posters  
speedywheels : 1/16/2021 11:22 pm : link
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Can anyone tell me whose dupe Saquads is? He is very, very familiar, and clearly hasn't looked me for a while. It's been killing me... Right on the tip of my tongue but I can't spot it.



I mean, you HAVE been Lamar's biggest vocal cheerleader since the 2018 draft. And I'm not saying this mockingly at all, I admire your commitment to your conviction and I think it's been a good debate. And I do respect your arguments in favor of this player. I do not, however, agree that he is a QB you can win a championship with, because his limitations I don't believe are fixable. Notably, his arm talent and accuracy.



Terps has been adamant that NO ONE deserves a 2nd contract. But just last week, he began his backtrack during the Ravens win, well, if anyone deserves 40 million per...”.

Until he gets to a championship game - nevermind a SB - he’s completely overrated. And anyone singing his praises deserves to get shit for that stance.

Regular season MVP’s are swell, but it’s all about the Lombardi’s...



Great point. Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were shit too!

Unbelievably dumb hot take.



Did you even even read my message post? I referenced championship games, which both Marino and Kelly reached.

Try again...



You said it’s all about Lombardis. Do you get those for winning championship games now?

Way to double down on the stupid.


And yet, Jackson hasn’t even reached the championship game. So people should stop with the bullshit that he’s all that. I never said those two were shit, but Jackson is 1-3 in playoff games. At least those guys made the SB
So does this mean Jackson isn't going  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/16/2021 11:22 pm : link
To Canton his summer? What's a shame is he's lol seems to be a good kid and he's gotten better as a QB but another example of hypogn a kid way beyond his achievements.

He's it a great QB. Doesn't mean he can't become one but right now Mahones is the only guy who's proven he's great out of the younger QBs.
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Route 9 : 1/16/2021 11:22 pm : link
Tell dep I said HELLO.

This BBI dupe hunt is more entertaining than this boring game.
No one game should define a QB  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2021 11:23 pm : link
Neither Jackson or Allen should be evaluated on a single game. Neither should Jones. Every player should be evaluated on the full body of work.

The whole “he never won a Super Bowl” is idiocy. No one player has ever won a Super Bowl. Jackson couldn’t win in the playoffs until he did last week. Eli couldn’t win the big one until he did. It’s a stupid barometer for people who hate thinking.
RE: Lamar Jackson is now 1-3 in the playoffs  
bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15125024 Saquads26 said:
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With 3TDs and 5INTs


Well, he's only 24, so there is time.

But it's a fair criticism.

Still, he's getting to the playoffs and made a great run late this season to get the Ravens there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
eric2425ny : 1/16/2021 11:24 pm : link
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Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.



You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?

And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...


Normally I would agree. But with his playing style he probably has 3-4 good seasons left.
Man...  
bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:25 pm : link
that was such a great trade by the Bills to acquire Diggs.
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GiantEgo : 1/16/2021 11:26 pm : link
I guess somebody has to be this decades Donovan McNabb.
Big night for the Lamar haters  
Jim from Katonah : 1/16/2021 11:26 pm : link
Not sure the reason for their (curious) vitriol, but they will go to bed happy. Lamar has had one of most remarkable careers to date for a 24 year old — Heisman, NFL MVP, playoff win — but questions of course remain about him until he makes a deep run and wins it all.

Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.

Dolphins  
stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:26 pm : link
are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship
Speedy  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2021 11:27 pm : link
It doesn’t seem you have any idea what you are saying. All we know is that it isn’t “all about Lombardis” or whatever other nonsense you are spewing tonight.

QBs - like every other player - should be evaluated on all of their play, not the games you randomly select.
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Go Terps : 1/16/2021 11:27 pm : link
If Jones ends up sucking as much as Jackson does, we'll be very lucky.
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Saquads26 : 1/16/2021 11:27 pm : link
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Who disagrees? Cunningham would have been MVP in this era of the NFL. That guy was unreal.



Lamar isn’t anywhere near the QB Cunningham was. He’s Vick but dumber and a shittier passer.



You’ve never seen Mike Vick throw a football, have you? Jackson is not a worse passer than Vick.



Go look at Vick as a passer under Andy Reid with the Eagles. Look at Cunningham with the Vikings. Lamar will never be the passer they were.



Vick had a cannon for an arm. He had no touch at all, and his accuracy was poor. One of the worst passers of all time.



Vick didn’t have personnel and a crackerjack offense designed specifically for him like Lamar does. When Vick went to the Eagles Reid actually developed him and designed an offense that got the best out of him. He was just old at that point.

Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.


Exactly, a good RB and that's it.
RE: Big night for the Lamar haters  
stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:27 pm : link
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Not sure the reason for their (curious) vitriol, but they will go to bed happy. Lamar has had one of most remarkable careers to date for a 24 year old — Heisman, NFL MVP, playoff win — but questions of course remain about him until he makes a deep run and wins it all.

Fingers crossed that one day fans of other teams will give a shit enough about our guy that they’ll be this gleeful when he fails. Fingers crossed that some day soon that our guy will be in a position to be called a “pathetic choker” like Lamar. Teddy Roosevelt has the best quote on this, but too tired to type any more.

The heisman award is incredibly sus
The problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:29 pm : link
Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.
Know who's even more overrated than Jackson?  
stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:29 pm : link
Burrow.
They won more without him and had a sucky offense anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:29 pm : link
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Normally I would agree. But with his playing style he probably has 3-4 good seasons left.


I hear you. He does have a Gumby element to his game and always seems to pop back up. Until tonight...but that could have happened to anyone on the botched snap.

But he definitely needs to improve his mechanics and pocket skills.

Let's be honest. He's so unusual with this style that he's an easy target when he struggles in these games.
RE: Dolphins  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:30 pm : link
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are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship


Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.
RE: RE: Dolphins  
stevemc : 1/16/2021 11:31 pm : link
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are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship



Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.

I meant this century. My b.
Dolphins  
JohnG in Albany : 1/16/2021 11:31 pm : link
What am I missing? Haven't the Dolphins won Super Bowls?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:32 pm : link
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are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship



Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.


and as a matter of fact, they have been to 8 of them. More than any AFCE team other than the Pats.
We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3  
Go Terps : 1/16/2021 11:32 pm : link
team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
WillVAB : 1/16/2021 11:32 pm : link
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Lamar right now is the best Lamar there is. There’s nothing else that can be done to hide his weaknesses.



You do realize LJax just turned 24, right?

And he's had two historic seasons. Yes, he's very unorthodox, but to suggest he can't get better at 24 is odd to me...


The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.

This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.
No wonder...  
JohnG in Albany : 1/16/2021 11:32 pm : link
Marino is overrated. *grin*
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:33 pm : link
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are now the only AFCE teams to not make a conference championship



Huh?? I think you are leaving out the end of the sentence. The Dolphins have been to several AFC championships.


I meant this century. My b.


Gotcha
Wait a second...  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2021 11:34 pm : link
A QB who is 24 probably can’t become a better passer?

Did Eli Manning not become a better passer after 2005, or was that the peek for him as a passer and the rest of his career was just at that plateau?
RE: We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:34 pm : link
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.


We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.

There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.

You'd be leading the charge!
RE: The problem..  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/16/2021 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15125049 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.



That’s a reasonable assessment. Jackson has also won an NFL MVP and a playoff game.

Can you apply the same standard to Daniel Jones? If he sucks next year with a hopefully improved supporting cast and a healthy saquon i hope we don’t hear a list of excuses and head into year four in the same qb purgatory were in now
RE: We're also talking about a divisional round loss on the road to a 13-3  
WillVAB : 1/16/2021 11:35 pm : link
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.


There is when the QB does nothing all night, throws a pick 6 to seal the game, and the backup QB comes off the bench cold and throws the ball better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:37 pm : link
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.

This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.


I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.
RE: The problem..  
Jim from Katonah : 1/16/2021 11:39 pm : link
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.


You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
GiantEgo : 1/16/2021 11:40 pm : link
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.

This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.



I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.


What? Mr. Ultimate QB himself? The model of "Todays NFL" needs off season throwing lessons?
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Saquads26 : 1/16/2021 11:41 pm : link
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.



You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.


Any half decent NFL QB ties the game there. He cost his team the game and season. He's terrible.
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bw in dc : 1/16/2021 11:44 pm : link
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What? Mr. Ultimate QB himself? The model of "Todays NFL" needs off season throwing lessons?


LJax needs to get better as a passer - yes.

But let's not act like he's Nathan Peterman. This guy is an immensely talented football player who can score points by land and air.
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Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2021 11:44 pm : link
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.



You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.


No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.

Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
WillVAB : 1/16/2021 11:46 pm : link
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.

This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.



I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.


Maybe but I don’t think that solves the problem. The game sealing pick tonight wasn’t an inaccurate throw or mechanics. It was a terrible decision. It was terrible decisions all night if you look at the sacks he took.

The book is out on Lamar. Keep him in the pocket and let him hang himself.
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Saquads26 : 1/16/2021 11:49 pm : link
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.



There is when the QB does nothing all night, throws a pick 6 to seal the game, and the backup QB comes off the bench cold and throws the ball better.


Yep and when you score a 7 on the Wonderlic and prove time and time again you can't read a defense.
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Go Terps : 1/16/2021 11:49 pm : link
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team. Buffalo is good, and they played their asses off tonight. There's no shame in losing this game.



We are also talking about a game that if we played similarly, the QB would be getting ripped up and down.

There would most certainly be shame to score 3 points in a playoff loss with a chance to tie the game and end up with a pick 6.

You'd be leading the charge!


No, I wouldn't. Getting this far in the playoffs would feel like a miracle.

You think I'd rip Jones for losing in the divisional round on the road in his third season? You've got a short memory...I was here sticking up for Eli when that wasnt a popular thing to do.

When Jones earns some backing and some faith, I'll be right there giving it to him.

For Jones thus far getting to 20 points is a chore - let alone a divisional playoff game. Let him get us there next year, and he can throw ten picks in the game and I won't give him a tough time over it.
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christian : 1/16/2021 11:50 pm : link
Decision making, especially in big spots, is something that evolves for many quarterbacks.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2021 11:51 pm : link
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Jackson faces and will continue to face is that in the playoffs, the good teams can make you one-dimensional. They can force you to have to pass. We've seen it all 3 of his losses.

They way to overcome that is to get better as a passer so making you one-dimensional isn't possible. I don't think he can do that. He doesn't have the mechanics, the footwork or the vision. Being only 24 may not matter in those areas.



You might be right on that one. Maybe we’ve seen his ceiling. Regular season MVP but playoff chump. He could have changed some minds tonight, but didn’t.



No, it seems at least on BBI, he can’t change minds. Some people desperately don’t want their minds changed.

Next week when Josh Allen loses he will also suck. Anything that challenges the pre conceived notion will be rejected.


If the Bills lose by scoring 3 points and Allen throws a terrible pick, he'll get criticized. Just like he was criticized when he blew the end of the Texans game last year.

ANY QB will.

Look - replace the Ravens with the Giants tonight - what would BBI say about the QB play? They'd want Jones cut tommorrow and you damn well know it. Terps would be ranting and raving - not saying "oh, we lost to a great Buffalo team".

And that's the hypocrisy of the post - some people don't want their minds changed - you included.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lamar = less accurate Randall Cunningham  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/16/2021 11:53 pm : link
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The things he needs to get better at aren’t solved with some elbow grease in the off-season. His issues are the same issues as when he came into the league.

This is the best possible scheme for him. He is who he is. Really he has no where to go but down as the injuries pile up and his legs become less of a factor.



I don't know what LJax does in the offseason, but there are some very good QB coaches out there - Jordan Palmer, for example - who could help.


I doubt Jordan Palmer takes him on, he has a reputation to protect. He’s a massive fix and at this point a lost cause.

I give Lamar credit though, these young athlete QBs are understanding it earlier. We are seeing more and more of these guys that can actually play QB at an NFL level. He went up Louisville and worked on being a actual QB. With his athletic ability he could of easily just ran the ball and won a fuckton of games like these guys used to. More anc more you are seeing these really athletic QBs try to be throw first.

The real question is, I’m not sure you can ever develop to get to that elite level making decisions and reading defenses that all the greats have that as soon as it gets hard you can take off a run. Obviously Lamar could do better with his mechanics and getting ball to sidelines, but it’s not all that.
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Zeke's Alibi : 1/16/2021 11:55 pm : link
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Decision making, especially in big spots, is something that evolves for many quarterbacks.


For guys that consistently do it in the pocket under pressure. The problem is Lamar doesn’t get that experience because against all the mediocre and bad defenses he can rely on his legs to make plays for him when push comes to shove. Go up against disciplined defenses and we saw the results. The Bills D isn’t even good.
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Saquads26 : 1/16/2021 11:57 pm : link
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Decision making, especially in big spots, is something that evolves for many quarterbacks.


Not for ones that look to run first and don't have the mental capacity to learn and adjust. He is what he is, he will never be any better.
FMIC  
Go Terps : 1/16/2021 11:58 pm : link
It is complete bullshit that I'd be killing Jones for losing here. These are big boy games with no bad teams.

I knock Jones and the Giants because they've shown themselves to be a million miles from the standard we see in the playoffs.

How about we let the Giants get there instead of giving them respect they haven't earned? In case you haven't noticed they are one of the worst teams in the league over the last three seasons.
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christian : 1/17/2021 12:00 am : link
I’m not sure Giants fans would be critical of Jones if he’d notched an MVP, won a playoff game, and was 23 games over .500,

Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.
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Go Terps : 1/17/2021 12:02 am : link
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I’m not sure Giants fans would be critical of Jones if he’d notched an MVP, won a playoff game, and was 23 games over .500,

Hell, if Jones is the league MVP next year, the Giants win 10 games, a playoff game, and he shits the bed in the divisional round, I’d celebrate all offseason.


That's what's amazing to me. It's like the Giants have been good, and we've just been stuck in the Matrix or something. In the world I live in, they're 15-33 the last three seasons.

That's not worthy of criticism? If that isn't, what is?
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