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NFT: Knicks at Celtics 1pm, Same starters

nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 11:39 am
Thibs stubborness continues, i dont know how he cant see the starters are killing this team...Another 10 point hole incoming
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RE: RE: Why  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 2:48 pm : link
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do you think his name is Reuben? lmao



Am I misspelling it? Or is Earl? Apologies if its me.


Holy shit, I was talking about Rueben Randle with my Dad as I was posting and got caught in the vortex. Lol! Thats not good.

RE: RE: RE: I agree RE Thibs  
djm : 1/17/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15125547 Earl the goat said:
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This lineup is killing the team

As much as this isn’t going to sit well with BBI knick fans I feel dealing Randle ASAP before his value tanks

Getting Obi into starting lineup along with IQ is key

Robinson
Obi
Knox
RJ
IQ

Have Rivers Burke Noel coming off Bench

Further. I may be dreaming but hopefully Leon can work a deal to get Beal



Why are you assuming that an excellent player right now is going to regress? Why? Here’s the facts about Randle.

— he’s always been a talent

— he’s always been a productive scorer

— always been a productive rebounder

— always had the ability to bring the ball up

— always has the ability to pass

— never played for a good HC in the nba

If every GM dealt players away out of a fear that the player was going to regress, we’d have one weird league.

We finally might have stepped in shit and fans want to get rid of the guy. Unbelievable.




Because a high first rounder is more valuable than giving this guy a huge contract and keeping Obi out of lineup


Oh is it now? Can you guarantee that? Nope.

Also, why can’t we have two good forwards here in obi and Randle? This is of course predicated on the assumption that Obi is in fact a good player one day and not another Kenny sky walker....
RE: I'm  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15125561 Jon in NYC said:
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not sure if I'm missing some joke or something but his name is Julius Randle.


No, total brain fart by me. Thanks for the heads up!
RE: RE: RE: Why  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2021 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15125564 chopperhatch said:
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do you think his name is Reuben? lmao



Am I misspelling it? Or is Earl? Apologies if its me.



Holy shit, I was talking about Rueben Randle with my Dad as I was posting and got caught in the vortex. Lol! Thats not good.




hahaha all good. I managed to completely block Reuben Randle out of my mind which is probably for the best.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I agree RE Thibs  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15125565 djm said:
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This lineup is killing the team

As much as this isn’t going to sit well with BBI knick fans I feel dealing Randle ASAP before his value tanks

Getting Obi into starting lineup along with IQ is key

Robinson
Obi
Knox
RJ
IQ

Have Rivers Burke Noel coming off Bench

Further. I may be dreaming but hopefully Leon can work a deal to get Beal



Why are you assuming that an excellent player right now is going to regress? Why? Here’s the facts about Randle.

— he’s always been a talent

— he’s always been a productive scorer

— always been a productive rebounder

— always had the ability to bring the ball up

— always has the ability to pass

— never played for a good HC in the nba

If every GM dealt players away out of a fear that the player was going to regress, we’d have one weird league.

We finally might have stepped in shit and fans want to get rid of the guy. Unbelievable.




Because a high first rounder is more valuable than giving this guy a huge contract and keeping Obi out of lineup



Oh is it now? Can you guarantee that? Nope.

Also, why can’t we have two good forwards here in obi and Randle? This is of course predicated on the assumption that Obi is in fact a good player one day and not another Kenny sky walker....


I would argue that because we cant guard true 3s with either let alone both those guys on the floor.

They both bring different elements I guess, but both are below avg on D. Randle (Julius) is better as of now, but Obi is not evaluated as of yet, but projected to be poor
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15125568 Jon in NYC said:
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do you think his name is Reuben? lmao



Am I misspelling it? Or is Earl? Apologies if its me.



Holy shit, I was talking about Rueben Randle with my Dad as I was posting and got caught in the vortex. Lol! Thats not good.






hahaha all good. I managed to completely block Reuben Randle out of my mind which is probably for the best.


So Rueben Randle is not Reuben Randle? Lol
Didn't see this coming  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2021 2:53 pm : link
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Obi  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2021 2:56 pm : link
seems much more comfortable post injury. Probably not surprising as he's getting more accustomed to the speed of everything. His defense looks not bad too.
Refs going to let celtics get physical now  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 2:56 pm : link
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how is that continuation?  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 3:01 pm : link
give me a fucking break
RE: how is that continuation?  
Stu11 : 1/17/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15125586 nygiants16 said:
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give me a fucking break

Lol I swear NBA officials make shit up as the go along. Tim Donaghy was no outlier.
Even the homer Celtic announcers admit that wasn't a foul  
Greg from LI : 1/17/2021 3:07 pm : link
Knox got hosed
So celtics are allowed to be ohysical now  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 3:08 pm : link
but not the Knicks?
Well, this was a throughly enjoyable ass-kicking  
Anakim : 1/17/2021 3:11 pm : link
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I know Nerlens Noel didn't #1 overall, but I remember he  
Anakim : 1/17/2021 3:25 pm : link
was the favorite to be #1 overall before he went to Kentucky. Did he ever possess any kind of offensive skill or was he always a Thabeet-like player?
I mean look, would I deal Randle  
djm : 1/17/2021 3:26 pm : link
If it brought back a blue chip prospect? I’m talking stud prospect not the 7th pick in a 4 player draft, yeah I’d have to consider it.

You ain’t getting that kind of draft pick back for Randle because no team picking 1-2-3 is looking for a player like Randle.
That was a great way to break out of a losing streak. And it was  
Ira : 1/17/2021 3:27 pm : link
especially good to see the rookies play well.
Of course this is the game I miss.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2021 3:36 pm : link
I’ll check the MSG replay later. Nice to see Obi got rolling a bit.
You see what minus one star is?  
Carl in CT : 1/17/2021 3:48 pm : link
If we had a player like Tatum everyone out there is better. Kids played well. Great game. Why not all the time. How about IQ with 8 assists also in 20 min.
Holy Mackerel! Just catching up with this.  
Del Shofner : 1/17/2021 3:56 pm : link
The starters all had p-m's over 20. RJ's plus-minus was 32 in 29 minutes! Thibs must have had some kind of talk with the starters.
RE: I mean look, would I deal Randle  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15125638 djm said:
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If it brought back a blue chip prospect? I’m talking stud prospect not the 7th pick in a 4 player draft, yeah I’d have to consider it.

You ain’t getting that kind of draft pick back for Randle because no team picking 1-2-3 is looking for a player like Randle.



So the next discussion is, what do you consider a "stud prospect"? Because the last 3 years, Randle is averaging over 20 pts per game, 9 boards and 3 assists (almost 7 this year). That is better than Zach Randolph who was a big part of two perennial playoff teams in Portland and Memphis. He also is a slightly better defender. Lets also mention that JR has missed no more than 9 games in a season since he started playing.

Right now, would you trade Randle for say, LaMelo Ball? Because I wouldnt. I would trade him and a 1st for Jayson Tatum.
Should read 2  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 4:05 pm : link
Firsts for Tatum.

Point is Randle is a huge value and is playing out of his skull.
RE: I know Nerlens Noel didn't #1 overall, but I remember he  
chopperhatch : 1/17/2021 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15125633 Anakim said:
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was the favorite to be #1 overall before he went to Kentucky. Did he ever possess any kind of offensive skill or was he always a Thabeet-like player?


He was like Camby at UMass. Camby didnt really develop his shot until he got to NYK. But Noel doesnt run as well as Camby did. Camby in transition was something to watch.
RE: RJ  
djm : 1/17/2021 4:15 pm : link
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Barrett sucks. He has no handle, no finishing ability, no shooting ability. Awful.


He went 19-10-3 today. Slow down on writing the RJB nba career book please.
RE: RE: RE: Why  
djm : 1/17/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15125564 chopperhatch said:
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do you think his name is Reuben? lmao



Am I misspelling it? Or is Earl? Apologies if its me.



Holy shit, I was talking about Rueben Randle with my Dad as I was posting and got caught in the vortex. Lol! Thats not good.



This is the best.
RE: Should read 2  
djm : 1/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15125744 chopperhatch said:
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Firsts for Tatum.

Point is Randle is a huge value and is playing out of his skull.


We’re on the same page. We got lucky with Randle. Maybe it wasn’t luck. The guy always had hard to teach nba talents. I’m not giving that away.
RE: RE: RJ  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2021 4:37 pm : link
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Barrett sucks. He has no handle, no finishing ability, no shooting ability. Awful.



He went 19-10-3 today. Slow down on writing the RJB nba career book please.
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Read my next post after that one.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 1/17/2021 4:41 pm : link
Really nice win today. If you are advocating trading Randle than you haven’t watched the Knicks this season. He’s been great all season long and deserves a ton of credit for making a major leap from last year. He will probably fall off but he’s played at an all nba level this year.

Just for arguments sake what are you looking for in a return for dealing Randle?
RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15125870 TyreeHelmet said:
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Really nice win today. If you are advocating trading Randle than you haven’t watched the Knicks this season. He’s been great all season long and deserves a ton of credit for making a major leap from last year. He will probably fall off but he’s played at an all nba level this year.

Just for arguments sake what are you looking for in a return for dealing Randle?


I dont see him falling off, its not like he is shooting crazy numbers from 3, the assists might fall a little bit but i dont think the scoring will..

and with Obi back hopefully Randles minutes start to come down
Randle is a whole different player this year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
Playing team ball. Not sure why you would get rid of him if this is who he can be.

Love IQ. Kid is just so smart on the court. Going to be really special.
To play .500 ball the Knicks need  
PhilSimms15 : 1/17/2021 5:00 pm : link
To start Q and play him 25-30 minutes a game, get Burks healthy and play Toppin with Q rather than Payton. And then hope Julius can continue this play.

But even if they play .400, as long as the young guys are progressing, and adding another lottery pick, the Knicks might be on to so something.

Toppin, Q, RJ, Robinson is their young core and the average age is 21 1/4.
Mavs about to lose to Chicago  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2021 5:23 pm : link
and drop to 6-6 on the year. Every little bit helps.
Didn’t tune in until garbage time  
mfsd : 1/17/2021 5:28 pm : link
But man I can’t remember the last time we ran the Celtics out of their building like that. Caught them on an awful shooting day, but who cares

Nice to see Obi get his mojo going a bit today. And Quickley continues to completely change the pace when he’s out there
RE: Mavs about to lose to Chicago  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2021 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15125998 bceagle05 said:
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and drop to 6-6 on the year. Every little bit helps.


They're not that good. Doncic has to carry them every night for them to have a chance. 36-16-15 tonight and they still got blown out by the Bulls.
RE: RE: Mavs about to lose to Chicago  
BigBlueShock : 1/17/2021 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15126232 Jon in NYC said:
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and drop to 6-6 on the year. Every little bit helps.



They're not that good. Doncic has to carry them every night for them to have a chance. 36-16-15 tonight and they still got blown out by the Bulls.

Looking at the box score, their roster is absolute trash. KP is back but went 0-7 from 3. If anything were. To happen to Doncic this season, that pick will become a very good asset
Just need  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2021 6:41 pm : link
Dallas to miss the playoffs so we can get a chance at moving up in the lottery. IQ needs to start
RE: RE: Mavs about to lose to Chicago  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2021 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15126232 Jon in NYC said:
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and drop to 6-6 on the year. Every little bit helps.



They're not that good. Doncic has to carry them every night for them to have a chance. 36-16-15 tonight and they still got blown out by the Bulls.


They really didnt do much because they were saving up for Giannis and then Giannis resigned
Thibs press conference  
Ira : 1/17/2021 7:50 pm : link
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RE: Thibs press conference  
Del Shofner : 1/17/2021 8:10 pm : link
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Thanks for posting. Mr. Personality!
RE: RJ  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/18/2021 7:12 am : link
In comment 15125551 Jon in NYC said:
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Barrett sucks. He has no handle, no finishing ability, no shooting ability. Awful.


I’ve been saying the same thing. He literally does nothing great. Not a great shooter, not a great passer, not a great defender. Hopefully that changes but I just don’t see it.
We couldn’t get Tatum  
Carl in CT : 1/18/2021 7:29 am : link
For all our draft picks and our whole team. No way Boston ever moves him. But, nice try!!
RJ Barrett filling up a box score as he's getting starter minutes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2021 8:16 am : link
doesn't really demonstrate anything that changes my opinion.

I think he'll be a solid pro and nothing close to being worth a 3 overall.

It's fine. The NBA is full of top 10 pick guys who never came close to justifying it. Look at Noel. It's just how the league works. Barrett's useful.
yeah RJ is 100% trending to...  
Italianju : 1/18/2021 9:07 am : link
solid pro and not all star. It sucks, but as others have mentioned his lack of an elite skill combined with ehh shooting will keep him from the next level. That said getting to the basket and finishing is a skill and he does that really well, its not an easy thing to do in the nba. I know he doesnt do it with highlight reel dunks so you dont say "whoa look at the athleticism" but he still does it. He can 100% be a starter on a contender, but he just isnt going to be your lead or second guy.
thing is looking back...  
Italianju : 1/18/2021 9:10 am : link
im prolly still taking him. Maybe im taking deandre hunter, but thats it. People will point out herro and thats fine, but i guarantee you that Herro doesnt look like this if he gets drafted by the Knicks. If anything he looks more like this year Herro where he has been asked to do more as the Heat have been missing guys left and right, and this year Herro has numbers pretty close to RJ's.
Just a random RJ thought  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2021 9:14 am : link
but he can carve out a really nice career for himself if he can continue to improve on defense. He has the size and body to do some damage defensively, although I don't know about his lateral quickness to say he can be a great defender.
You guys know RJ Barrett is 20, right?  
Eli Wilson : 1/18/2021 9:20 am : link
He won't even be 21 until after the season.

He greatly improved his free throw shooting and it's possible he may develop other areas of his game over the next few years.
Kevin Porter Jr.  
DanMetroMan : 1/18/2021 11:58 am : link
... worth a cheap look?
RE: You guys know RJ Barrett is 20, right?  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2021 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15126722 Eli Wilson said:
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He won't even be 21 until after the season.

He greatly improved his free throw shooting and it's possible he may develop other areas of his game over the next few years.


That would be great. Anything is possible. The odds of a 20% 3 pt shooter becoming a 40% 3 pt shooter are slim. If they can package him for an established scorer (Beal, Lavine) you make that move without hesitation.
RE: Kevin Porter Jr.  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15126902 DanMetroMan said:
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... worth a cheap look?


Stay far away. Culture killer and he's just not that good.
RE: Kevin Porter Jr.  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15126902 DanMetroMan said:
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... worth a cheap look?


Probably not
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