Watching playoff football depresses the heck out of me. I’m so sick of the Giants sucking. I don’t care what the Giants did in past decades. The Giants are now in the company of the dredges of the league in playoff win droughts.
For all the principals to keep their jobs the Giants really need a winning season. I’m so sick of the excuses of what Mara did to Gettleman, what Gettleman did to Manning, what Manning did to Mara’s cat, what Mara’s cat did to Jones.
It’s time to cut the crap and systematically cut out the excuses. The Giants don’t have insane ownership, play in a crap city, play in an ancient stadium, or have a losing legacy. The Giants have zero built-in excuses to suck.
If Jones can’t pair gaining yards, throwing touchdowns, and a low turnover rate — replace him.
If Barkley can’t pair a healthy season, with fewer negative runs, and good productivity, don’t extend him.
Don’t sit on your hands and expect Lemieux, Gates, and Peart to defy the odds and anchor the line, go get a top shelf veteran too.
Don’t expect more miracles at the skill positions, go get a unequivocal no. 1 WR.
Pick where you want to rush the passer — either go get a 3 down outside linebacker who can edge rusher, or sign Williams and Tomlinson.
Wrap up the corner position, and pair Bradberry with a league average counter part.
2003: 4-12 (Fassel fired)
2004: 6-10 (Coughlin’s first year; 2 win improvement)
2005: 11-5 (NFC East title; big jump)
2019: 4-12 (Shurmur fired)
2020: 6-10 (Judge first year; 2 win improvement)
2021: I expect a big jump and division title
I have hopes for Judge, and based on the first year - Judge/DG seem to have had a good year.
But, I agree - there NEEDS to be a big jump next year in wins.
You think adding a WR, guard, linebacker and CB, is too tall of an order?
The Giants added an above average safety, linebacker, and corner in UFA last year. And drafted a day one starter at LT.
Improving four positions shouldn’t require a miracle.
Don't you get it?? Be patient. This will only take 17 years.
Got it.
I agree. The notion you can’t add good players and a get a big jump in wins is nonsense. It happens plenty in the modern NFL.
Especially if you have a well-managed cap and early draft picks.
The reason the Giants have sucked is because the team picked 2 shit coaches in a row, and haven’t added enough good players.
Judge isn’t a shit coach. Now it’s time to add more good players.
And most importantly, if Jones and Barkley can’t prove they are cornerstones of the offense this year, move on from them.
And this is where Mara and Gettleman remain a problem.
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
Now, gun to my head do I think they get to 9-10 wins next year? No I don’t.
If he's not the solution that obviously Jints Central thinks, it's going to be a major setback.
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But, I agree - there NEEDS to be a big jump next year in wins.
I agree. The notion you can’t add good players and a get a big jump in wins is nonsense. It happens plenty in the modern NFL.
Especially if you have a well-managed cap and early draft picks.
The reason the Giants have sucked is because the team picked 2 shit coaches in a row, and haven’t added enough good players.
Judge isn’t a shit coach. Now it’s time to add more good players.
And most importantly, if Jones and Barkley can’t prove they are cornerstones of the offense this year, move on from them.
It’s way to early to say Judge is good, or bad, but don’t blame the Giants Coaches for the Giants sucking the past four years. Bad drafts, and FA signings is the biggest reasons, and will stay that way unless something drastically changes, and I don’t see that with DG in charge. Drafting the wrong QB will set you back for years even if everything else is good, and that is not the case with the Giants. The O Line sucks, and no Peart, and SL are nothing but backups. Barkley needs to go too.
If Gettleman has a couple more good drafts and 1 or 2 key FA signings - we own the East very shortly (relatively speaking).
1) Can Daniel Jones get better or not?
2) Will Saquon be what is expected of him or not?
3) Will the OL get better or is more investment needed?
4) Can the team sign/draft a legit #1 playmaking WR?
5) Are they going to break the bank to keep the DL intact?
6) Does the Defense still need an Edge Rusher or not?
7) Where is the #2 Cornerback coming from?
Answer Key: Yes, No, More, Yes, No, Yes, Draft.
If Gettleman has a couple more good drafts and 1 or 2 key FA signings - we own the East very shortly (relatively speaking).
When has Gettleman had good drafts??
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
I wish the Giants were trying to do the same.
And for those saying the arrow is pointing up, I'm not sure we can say that yet. The flawed methodologies that got us here remain - critical football decisions (hiring Gettleman, sticking with Eli, hiring Garrett) are being informed by things other than trying to win games. It's fair to worry whether that same subjectivity will weigh into the decisions on Barkley and Jones.
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The Jets trading for DeShaun Watson. It’s clear based on reports things are trending towards Watson getting traded and the Jets are well positioned to make a trade.
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
I wish the Giants were trying to do the same.
And for those saying the arrow is pointing up, I'm not sure we can say that yet. The flawed methodologies that got us here remain - critical football decisions (hiring Gettleman, sticking with Eli, hiring Garrett) are being informed by things other than trying to win games. It's fair to worry whether that same subjectivity will weigh into the decisions on Barkley and Jones.
they should be offering whatever it takes to get watson. i'd offer 3 first round picks with zero hesitation
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
If Watson gets traded anywhere, and we could have offered a similar package, it's a big miss.
If he goes to the Jets, it's going to be extra salt on the wound if the Jets suddenly compete and we continue to languish.
So?
And 10-5 and 11-5 the years prior.
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The Texans were 4-12 with Mr. Watson at QB for 16 games.
BBI says it's all on the QB, team quality is no factor. He has clearly regressed.
So?
And 10-5 and 11-5 the years prior.
They were in total disarray down there this year. Off-season turmoil, trades, O'Brien firing, injuries, etc.
Despite that, you can't say Watson didn't do his job:
70%+ completion %, 4800+ yards, 33/7, total QBR 70+.
Spoilers: The team didn't win until the league forced Gorge Young as the GM, and Ray Perkins got the first winning season in 1981.
Jones/Barkley were mistakes but I think you have to ride that out in the short term. Build the rest of the roster up and if Jones/Barkley don’t justify 2nd contracts, move on. If they have to go that way at least the rest of the roster is gtg.
Those two, who won’t be cheap. I would not burn FA dollars at WR. There’s too many pro ready WRs in the draft. I’d focus FA on those two plus a corner or edge depending on who’s available. I wouldn’t be opposed to targeting Dupree coming off the ACL if the injury is baked into his price.
The trenches are almost there. I would focus this off-season on solidifying the OL/DL via FA and adding playmakers on offense through the draft.
I'd pay Williams, let Tomlinson walk, and bargain bin shop in FA. Cheap 1 or 2 year deals. No big commitments.
They need to upgrade these positions, not lock-up the incumbents. The only 2 players not under contract who are worth considering keeping are Williams and Tomlinson. If the Giants determine the defensive line is the cornerstone of their defense, I don’t mind keeping both.
Whether that be the draft, UFA, or trades, and whether those are shorter or longer deals, they need better players.
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Watching the Packers offense yesterday, and today we can see the Chiefs and Saints etc...
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
1. Jones is a fucking baby in conparison to rodgers
2. Adams, a jones, tonyan, lazard. Im not taking a single of our of skill players over theirs.
Get jones some weapons before we judge him
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Watching the Packers offense yesterday, and today we can see the Chiefs and Saints etc...
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
1. Jones is a fucking baby in conparison to rodgers
2. Adams, a jones, tonyan, lazard. Im not taking a single of our of skill players over theirs.
Get jones some weapons before we judge him
The guy that put these skill players in place is still here. He did a bad job. Why should we expect him to do a good job now? Why should we expect he got the quarterback right when he got the other guys wrong?
The approach, the timing, the methods - they don't add up.
Garrett’s offense is a dinosaur and compare his play calling with KC’s calling. Notice a difference? I doubt Judge fires Garrett, so I guess he is willing to live with mediocrity and forsake creativity.
Unless we get a makeover at the receiver position, nothing but mediocrity awaits us.
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What is the core that needs locking up? The Giants have 2 UFAs of note — Tomlinson and Williams. Who else?
I'd pay Williams, let Tomlinson walk, and bargain bin shop in FA. Cheap 1 or 2 year deals. No big commitments.
I said the same thing and I got laughed at.
To answer my own question...how do mechanics that poor get through Cutcliffe AND NFL coaches?
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I would say the same thing if it didn't corroborate everything I've seen for two seasons. That image captures why he fumbles so much, and why he's late so often.
DJ form - ( New Window )
DJ form - ( New Window )
Rodgers - ( New Window )
If you're gonna teach your kid how to throw, this is where you point him.
Look at Elway here. And he tapped the ball before the fired it.
2. He's going to be late on throws outside the numbers
3. He's going to struggle in the red zone, where timing and a quick release are crucial
I can't think of one example where bad mechanics were coached out of a quarterback at the NFL level.
Jones does not have a huge arm. He can't afford to have such poor mechanics.
Jones does not have a huge arm. He can't afford to have such poor mechanics.
There is some truth to that for sure. Which is why I prefer prospects with plus / plus-plus arm talent. Mechanics can always be improved. Look at Rodgers and his delivery when he was at Cal. Allen has had incremental improvement at Buffalo.
I think the tell in the Jones photo might be that he really has to wind up at times to get the ball to a spot...??
1. Ball comes down to belly
2. Taps ball at belly
3. Brings ball back up 1 handed and far out from his body
4. Rotates ball so it's below his arm and pointing behind him
5. Comes up over the top to release
Lots of time. Lots of moving parts. It's really noticeable in the red zone, where the passes are shorter and quicker. The ball takes forever to come out.
2. He's going to be late on throws outside the numbers
3. He's going to struggle in the red zone, where timing and a quick release are crucial
I can't think of one example where bad mechanics were coached out of a quarterback at the NFL level.
Reading this, I keep going back to the 2 point conversion attempt against Tampa.
It is always going to be a problem.
Fumbles - ( New Window )
He's got the C on his jersey, so it's this season.
1. Ball comes down to belly
2. Taps ball at belly
3. Brings ball back up 1 handed and far out from his body
4. Rotates ball so it's below his arm and pointing behind him
5. Comes up over the top to release
Lots of time. Lots of moving parts. It's really noticeable in the red zone, where the passes are shorter and quicker. The ball takes forever to come out.
I'd like to see what Jones's release time is versus contemporaries. Like I said before DJ was drafted, I didn't see anything other ordinary arm talent. And he doesn't seem to possess the ability to effectively change arm angles to make plays either. Very much a QB "by the numbers".
If he really is the guy going forward I believe an awful lot of capital/draft luck is going to be needed to optimize Jones's ability in the pocket.
Which is why you can't help but conclude right now that he's way more game manager than force multiplier.
Some guys practice better than they play.
Judge was a quarterback himself. I find it impossible to believe he isn't fully aware of this problem with Jones. Having been a quarterback himself he is also going to know that coaching bad mechanics out of Jones is extremely difficult and a bad use of time and resources.
I have a hard time believing Judge is completely comfortable with Jones as his quarterback. It doesn't add up.
What needs to be a concern is holding the ball low prior to throwing. He had some issues here last year that he's cleaned up. Low release point is an issue to, both losing power and create opps for batted passes, which isn't an issue. Shit your favorite passer in the NFL, Lamar is a much worse example of this.
And if you knew anything about Cutcliffe, he's all about building QBs from the feet. Doesn't really focus on whats going on uptop and why the guys he trains all looks the same from chest down, but differ up top.
Most QBs are doing this on deep and intermediate routes.
And I don't agree with what you saying about throwing mechanics in general. When you lack great skills like Jones does, you have to be efficient with your movement to get the ball out on time and accurately. Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen... These guys have supernatural arm strength and can get away with a lot. Jones doesn't have that luxury.
The appeal of drafting him was his coaching background and his polish. That hasn't come to pass.
Can it be an issue? Sure, the shorter the pass you need to do this on the, the bigger it opens you to a guy jumping routes. Has it been an issue? Saw a little bit of it when there was more hesitation in his game in beginning of year. Anticipation beats quick release/arm strenght at the end of the day. Everyone sees the arm strength, but they rarely recognize anticipation and its what seperates the good from great QBs. Rivers is going to put on a gold jacket in a decade.
Does he need to show better anticipation at times? Absolutely, but that comes with experience and I thought he did a good job for a 2nd year Pro last year. You either somehow see no good in him, or you don't expect him to take next step. I do and a lot of that is what we know from him mentally and the progress I've seen him make from start of year to beginning (they really broke him down to build him up) make me feel confident he does. All the guy needs are sets and reps. And I'm sure you'll go but so and so did this in his second year. Everyone's situation is different and he has one of the worst. Shit Dak Prescott's anticipation still sucks and he was putting up video game numbers because of the rest of the offense. But between his inconsistent mechanics (not a problem with DJ) and his anticipation keeps him breing a very good QB as merely opposed to a little bit above average.
We're we watching the same thing?
This isn’t some massive ball security issue though, not like what I outlined above, like keeping the ball low. That’s a major problem that he cleaned up this year. I’m not sure what you are getting at with the timing thing, once again it’s about anticipation. And yes I thought he did a pretty good job there for a 2nd year QB.
This is the NFL where split seconds are key. Would anyone say about a WR, “their 4.7 40 is no problem, it’s just a fraction of a second difference from the fastest players”? No. This is the same parameter: getting the ball to the right place at the right time.
I maintained that Jones was persistently late in delivering the balls to receivers. Not always, but a lot more often than good QBs. I think the three defects above provide the physical explanation for the problem. Those are a lot of things to overcome. It all suggests Jones is a project.
I noticed these pics weren't used:
Is this really the level of analysis now?
I noticed these pics weren't used:
Is this really the level of analysis now?
Just when I think a point of absurdity can't be reached, it is taken by storm by a marauding band with red-hot pitchfork tines.
He's fucking doing it again!! Who coaches this schmuck?
Jesus Christ - why don't we get a Lombardi comment to go with that?? Walsh coached predominantly in an era with no salary cap. An era where there was an upper tier of teams from both a talent and coaching standpoint.
Since 2000, there has been turnover of more than 50% of the playoff teams year over year consistently. Those "8 teams" rotate in and out. It's why the NFC South went through an 8 year stretch without a repeat division winner. It's why the NFC East is in a stretch like that now.
Can we get some wisdom from George Halas while you're fucking at it??
Why the fuck does that matter if I can just take a still shot and make comments from that?
Jones and Barkley have a ton to prove moving forward, otherwise it will be time to seek replacements. If Jones winds up not the QB of the future, it potentially sets things back again.
Incredible.
There was too much talk about adding playmakers to the offense after the season was over from front office regarding what they need to do differently. So this was clearly a coordinated message that they have specifically discussed already and shows necessary support for their commitment with Daniel Jones.
I genuinely like discussing football with you. In the minority of time you stick to football you're a pleasant exchange. Your little explosions with little to no value have swung from the minority to the majority of your posts over the years. I miss the 1999 version of you, you peppered more football into your rants then.
Incredible.
It's not the hitch, it's the long motion with lots of moving parts. Spend 15 minutes looking at clips from both years.
This is a guy who's led the league in fumbles per drop back both of his years in the NFL. This isn't mysterious.
Unfortunately, the situation is a bit desperate to score more via the passing game to everyone. And right/wrong/indifferent this front office has shown tendencies in recent past of making mistakes when desperate.
We shall see if happens again.
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Why the fuck does that matter if I can just take a still shot and make comments from that?
I genuinely like discussing football with you. In the minority of time you stick to football you're a pleasant exchange. Your little explosions with little to no value have swung from the minority to the majority of your posts over the years. I miss the 1999 version of you, you peppered more football into your rants then.
C'mon. What is there seriously to discuss when a snapshot of Jones is shown and you have a group of people saying "Yep. There's a problem!!".
We aren't discussing football. We are having a confirmation bias circle jerk taken from a still shot, framed under the guise of there being some "Aha" moment not seen with other QB's.
There are plenty of threads where I'm talking about football. I'm trying to figure out where the football discussion is on this one.
If I'm drawing up a fantasy offseason -- I trim the fat of veterans (Solder, Tate, Zeitler, and the minor characters) and got after:
1) Thuney as the prize of the offseason
2) A Sam Ebukam type, value edge rush linebacker to replace Frackrell
3) A Rashard Higgins type, WR who's arrow is pointing way up
3)
Unfortunately, the situation is a bit desperate to score more via the passing game to everyone. And right/wrong/indifferent this front office has shown tendencies in recent past of making mistakes when desperate.
We shall see if happens again.
Holy shit, I keep forgetting about Golden Tate, and I keep forgetting he's still on the team. Thank you for ruining my morning.
We aren't discussing football. We are having a confirmation bias circle jerk taken from a still shot, framed under the guise of there being some "Aha" moment not seen with other QB's.
There are plenty of threads where I'm talking about football. I'm trying to figure out where the football discussion is on this one.
Jones's throwing motion is something Terps and I have discussed at length over the last few months. I suspect that's why he posted it in this thread.
Jones has led the league in fumbles per drop back now twice. I think it's quite fair to question whether his wind up is a contributor.
If you take a look at the link I posed above, he seems get the ball knocked out of his hands a lot mid-motion.
Unfortunately, the situation is a bit desperate to score more via the passing game to everyone. And right/wrong/indifferent this front office has shown tendencies in recent past of making mistakes when desperate.
We shall see if happens again.
Show me the players to target, there are very few, is the point.
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C'mon. What is there seriously to discuss when a snapshot of Jones is shown and you have a group of people saying "Yep. There's a problem!!".
We aren't discussing football. We are having a confirmation bias circle jerk taken from a still shot, framed under the guise of there being some "Aha" moment not seen with other QB's.
There are plenty of threads where I'm talking about football. I'm trying to figure out where the football discussion is on this one.
Jones's throwing motion is something Terps and I have discussed at length over the last few months. I suspect that's why he posted it in this thread.
Jones has led the league in fumbles per drop back now twice. I think it's quite fair to question whether his wind up is a contributor.
If you take a look at the link I posed above, he seems get the ball knocked out of his hands a lot mid-motion.
And these type of fumbles seemed to disappear once we got some competent LT play. Is he still going to fumble a couple times a year because of this? Probably, but there are 100 things that are more important than this. It's not even Darnold or Jameis level bad.
The big issue with QBs fumbling is keeping the ball low before the throwing motion. Some guys, once the bullets fly the drop back to bad habits. DJ did a good job of cleaning that up this year. I'm more worried about him dropping the ball when he takes off to run. This needs to be cleaned up, but is extremely hard to beat out of guys. One thing at a time though and I feel like this is going to be the next coaching point as far as ball security.
This slightly extended throwing motion is not a big a deal as you are making it out to be and certainly something that doesn't need to be retooled at this point of time. Not even sure its worth it to fuck around with his mechanics. It's not even Darnold or Jameis level bad. It can be a tip on those intermediate or deep routes, but like I said, it's all about anticipation there anyway. Anticipation rules the day and why we need some guys that actually get open outside of Shep. Nothing to anticipate if nothing there. How many interceptions did he throw when going to Shep? My guess would be zero and there's a reason for that.
While I think a lot of fans point to 2020 as an example of a more reasonable shopping period for the Giants, desperation to get better sooner, and determine if Jones is the right piece at QB could tip the scales back to bad habits.
Like I suggested, we shall see.
LOL. I think the fact that Rivers can have a throwing motion like he's shot-putting a bowling ball, and still put up those numbers, is first ballot worthy... ;)
He's sort of the Jim Furyk of QBs. Somehow it worked...
In the last 7 seasons, 6 ended in DOUBLE DIGIT LOSSES.
41-71 over the last 7 years.
That sucks.
Some us are sick of excuses.
The constant defense of the NYG considering the magnitude of the suck is absurd.
To my eye, he's still holding the ball low and away from his body when he gets into his motion, he's tapping, and he's got an elongated delivery. All of those things logically contribute to the ball coming out when he's hit. I group all of those thing together as the problem.
One part of the solution is getting him hit less. For all the optimism about the line progressing, the rate Jones was hit didn't really decrease over the 2nd half of the season (being injured contributes).
Seems like a compounding problem, Jones gets hit a lot, and when he gets hit he gives up the ball. Both those things could stand improvement.
DJ does not have anywhere near that type of stroke in his arsenal. Just too slow off the mark...
That divisional weakness should be more motivation to improve at quarterback if anything.
They should be scouting the QBs in FA and the draft hard.
By my standards?? You pulled a fucking still photo out and are breaking it down like you are a QB coach!!
And you think you've made an astute point!
Daniel Jones's throwing mechanics suck. Combine that with no pocket presence and it's no surprise he finally so much, and he's so often late in the red zone and on throws outside the numbers.
You want to say that's bullshit because I'm not Bill Walsh, fine. But you don't need to be a pilot to know a plane shouldn't be flown into a mountain.
DJ does not have anywhere near that type of stroke in his arsenal. Just too slow off the mark...
This is just not true, shit he showed he could do that in his very first game in the redzone TD to Shephard.
People are focusing way too much on what is going on up top and it's not even poor. Most QBs are bringing the ball down to throw intermediate or deep passes.
What that play really highlights is our need for a fucking WR that can go up and win 1 v 1 battles like that. I'm really hoping Kyle Pitts is there and the pick.
The big deal about mechanics is they generate consistent results. It's really overblown as there are lots of ways to skin a cat. Shit I can show you a ton of throws Mahomes misses because his feet stink. It's not like DJ is consistently missing throws. In fact, he's certainly plus in this category. The problem with this team is opportunites in pass game are absolutely limited because of the talent among our pass catchers so every miss gets blown to kingdom come.
Still needs to pick the ball up once he decideds to run, and certainly an uphill battle here, but one ball security coaching point at a time.
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Go watch that first TD Rodgers threw last week near the goalline to Adams. It is uncanny how quickly he threw that ball, and with speed and mustard.
DJ does not have anywhere near that type of stroke in his arsenal. Just too slow off the mark...
This is just not true, shit he showed he could do that in his very first game in the redzone TD to Shephard.
People are focusing way too much on what is going on up top and it's not even poor. Most QBs are bringing the ball down to throw intermediate or deep passes.
What that play really highlights is our need for a fucking WR that can go up and win 1 v 1 battles like that. I'm really hoping Kyle Pitts is there and the pick.
The ball being low in DJ's windup is less concerning to me than his slower, longer windup. I wonder if Jones can make an adjustment to a shorter, more efficient stroke. It's a very tough thing to alter muscle memory like that. But in my opinion he should consider it...
I seriously doubt you think DJ has the type of throw I was referring to in the Rodgers example. That's just a different level of class.
Look, I'm big into big arm talent. That just provides such a luxury when you can't be mechanically sound. And greater margin for error. Unfortunately, that's just not who Jones is. Which may be fine, but the clock is ticking...
Wow, that is a lot. It sounds like Jones is a project.
I watched that throw Rodgers made and its not like this was a throw 30 yards down the sideline. It was a 12-15 yard back shoulder to sideline. Except it wasn't even a good throw though, Adams made a play and took it to the house. We need a guy that can do that. Go look at the throw DJ makes to Shep in that Bucs game to corner of the endzone. High Difficulty throw with touch that comes out with lighting quick release.
The questions are there on his decision making and reading the field.
The two above were comments from this season.
From Ourlads scouting prior to being drafted:
Outstanding mechanics in both upper and lower body leads to consistently pretty and accurate throws. Creates an excellent throwing base with his legs and is typically squared to the target, maximizing a less-than-elite, but still easily NFL-caliber arm.
CONS
Inconsistent. Rhythm player too easily knocked off rhythm. Prone to questionable decision making in the pocket, including forcing throws into traffic and failing to prioritize ball security
This talk about mechanics is a couple of schmucks on BBI playing the role of QB guru.
"Failing to prioritize ball security"
This is why I'm hopeful, it was obviously the biggest coaching point they went with into offseason and he's improved drastically there. He was higher and stronger with the ball going into the season and pretty much stopped forcing balls into coverage at all as the season went on.
There's a reason that they pretty much announced our intentions for this offseason because its OBVIOUS to the rest of the NFL. This team drastically needs weapons outside Saquon and we can't put all our eggs into that basket. It's hard to exhibit anticipation and reading the field well when nobody gets consistently open. We need to add something to actually understand what we have in DJ so that decision can be made because while I'm optimistic, it still needs to materialize.
Instead we have people here with pitchforks because he missed a backside check down 4th read that you pretty much should only expect out of very seasoned QBs. He keeps his eyes downfield, which at this stage is the most important thing. Problem is we don't have guys that get open down field.
Enjoy Jones's mechanics while you can. Between his limitations and the shortcomings of the people helping him, his days as the starting quarterback are numbered.
Insert any fucking excuse you want.
Results never matter on BBI.
All of that said, I have not given up on the kid.
Next year, the road needs to meet the rubber with Jones.
I am exhausted by the perennial kicking of the can down the road.
Win or GTFO.
With two years of NFL observation, you don't think his pre-throw mechanics have any bearing on how frequently the ball comes out when he's about to throw the ball?