Watching playoff football depresses the heck out of me. I’m so sick of the Giants sucking. I don’t care what the Giants did in past decades. The Giants are now in the company of the dredges of the league in playoff win droughts.
For all the principals to keep their jobs the Giants really need a winning season. I’m so sick of the excuses of what Mara did to Gettleman, what Gettleman did to Manning, what Manning did to Mara’s cat, what Mara’s cat did to Jones.
It’s time to cut the crap and systematically cut out the excuses. The Giants don’t have insane ownership, play in a crap city, play in an ancient stadium, or have a losing legacy. The Giants have zero built-in excuses to suck.
If Jones can’t pair gaining yards, throwing touchdowns, and a low turnover rate — replace him.
If Barkley can’t pair a healthy season, with fewer negative runs, and good productivity, don’t extend him.
Don’t sit on your hands and expect Lemieux, Gates, and Peart to defy the odds and anchor the line, go get a top shelf veteran too.
Don’t expect more miracles at the skill positions, go get a unequivocal no. 1 WR.
Pick where you want to rush the passer — either go get a 3 down outside linebacker who can edge rusher, or sign Williams and Tomlinson.
Wrap up the corner position, and pair Bradberry with a league average counter part.
2003: 4-12 (Fassel fired)
2004: 6-10 (Coughlin’s first year; 2 win improvement)
2005: 11-5 (NFC East title; big jump)
2019: 4-12 (Shurmur fired)
2020: 6-10 (Judge first year; 2 win improvement)
2021: I expect a big jump and division title
I have hopes for Judge, and based on the first year - Judge/DG seem to have had a good year.
But, I agree - there NEEDS to be a big jump next year in wins.
You think adding a WR, guard, linebacker and CB, is too tall of an order?
The Giants added an above average safety, linebacker, and corner in UFA last year. And drafted a day one starter at LT.
Improving four positions shouldn’t require a miracle.
Don't you get it?? Be patient. This will only take 17 years.
Got it.
I agree. The notion you can’t add good players and a get a big jump in wins is nonsense. It happens plenty in the modern NFL.
Especially if you have a well-managed cap and early draft picks.
The reason the Giants have sucked is because the team picked 2 shit coaches in a row, and haven’t added enough good players.
Judge isn’t a shit coach. Now it’s time to add more good players.
And most importantly, if Jones and Barkley can’t prove they are cornerstones of the offense this year, move on from them.
And this is where Mara and Gettleman remain a problem.
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
Now, gun to my head do I think they get to 9-10 wins next year? No I don’t.
If he's not the solution that obviously Jints Central thinks, it's going to be a major setback.
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But, I agree - there NEEDS to be a big jump next year in wins.
I agree. The notion you can’t add good players and a get a big jump in wins is nonsense. It happens plenty in the modern NFL.
Especially if you have a well-managed cap and early draft picks.
The reason the Giants have sucked is because the team picked 2 shit coaches in a row, and haven’t added enough good players.
Judge isn’t a shit coach. Now it’s time to add more good players.
And most importantly, if Jones and Barkley can’t prove they are cornerstones of the offense this year, move on from them.
It’s way to early to say Judge is good, or bad, but don’t blame the Giants Coaches for the Giants sucking the past four years. Bad drafts, and FA signings is the biggest reasons, and will stay that way unless something drastically changes, and I don’t see that with DG in charge. Drafting the wrong QB will set you back for years even if everything else is good, and that is not the case with the Giants. The O Line sucks, and no Peart, and SL are nothing but backups. Barkley needs to go too.
If Gettleman has a couple more good drafts and 1 or 2 key FA signings - we own the East very shortly (relatively speaking).
1) Can Daniel Jones get better or not?
2) Will Saquon be what is expected of him or not?
3) Will the OL get better or is more investment needed?
4) Can the team sign/draft a legit #1 playmaking WR?
5) Are they going to break the bank to keep the DL intact?
6) Does the Defense still need an Edge Rusher or not?
7) Where is the #2 Cornerback coming from?
Answer Key: Yes, No, More, Yes, No, Yes, Draft.
If Gettleman has a couple more good drafts and 1 or 2 key FA signings - we own the East very shortly (relatively speaking).
When has Gettleman had good drafts??
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
I wish the Giants were trying to do the same.
And for those saying the arrow is pointing up, I'm not sure we can say that yet. The flawed methodologies that got us here remain - critical football decisions (hiring Gettleman, sticking with Eli, hiring Garrett) are being informed by things other than trying to win games. It's fair to worry whether that same subjectivity will weigh into the decisions on Barkley and Jones.
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The Jets trading for DeShaun Watson. It’s clear based on reports things are trending towards Watson getting traded and the Jets are well positioned to make a trade.
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
I wish the Giants were trying to do the same.
And for those saying the arrow is pointing up, I'm not sure we can say that yet. The flawed methodologies that got us here remain - critical football decisions (hiring Gettleman, sticking with Eli, hiring Garrett) are being informed by things other than trying to win games. It's fair to worry whether that same subjectivity will weigh into the decisions on Barkley and Jones.
they should be offering whatever it takes to get watson. i'd offer 3 first round picks with zero hesitation
The Jets winning would definitely impact Mara if the Giants are still floundering.
If Watson gets traded anywhere, and we could have offered a similar package, it's a big miss.
If he goes to the Jets, it's going to be extra salt on the wound if the Jets suddenly compete and we continue to languish.
So?
And 10-5 and 11-5 the years prior.
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The Texans were 4-12 with Mr. Watson at QB for 16 games.
BBI says it's all on the QB, team quality is no factor. He has clearly regressed.
So?
And 10-5 and 11-5 the years prior.
They were in total disarray down there this year. Off-season turmoil, trades, O'Brien firing, injuries, etc.
Despite that, you can't say Watson didn't do his job:
70%+ completion %, 4800+ yards, 33/7, total QBR 70+.
Spoilers: The team didn't win until the league forced Gorge Young as the GM, and Ray Perkins got the first winning season in 1981.
Jones/Barkley were mistakes but I think you have to ride that out in the short term. Build the rest of the roster up and if Jones/Barkley don’t justify 2nd contracts, move on. If they have to go that way at least the rest of the roster is gtg.
Those two, who won’t be cheap. I would not burn FA dollars at WR. There’s too many pro ready WRs in the draft. I’d focus FA on those two plus a corner or edge depending on who’s available. I wouldn’t be opposed to targeting Dupree coming off the ACL if the injury is baked into his price.
The trenches are almost there. I would focus this off-season on solidifying the OL/DL via FA and adding playmakers on offense through the draft.
I'd pay Williams, let Tomlinson walk, and bargain bin shop in FA. Cheap 1 or 2 year deals. No big commitments.
They need to upgrade these positions, not lock-up the incumbents. The only 2 players not under contract who are worth considering keeping are Williams and Tomlinson. If the Giants determine the defensive line is the cornerstone of their defense, I don’t mind keeping both.
Whether that be the draft, UFA, or trades, and whether those are shorter or longer deals, they need better players.
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Watching the Packers offense yesterday, and today we can see the Chiefs and Saints etc...
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
1. Jones is a fucking baby in conparison to rodgers
2. Adams, a jones, tonyan, lazard. Im not taking a single of our of skill players over theirs.
Get jones some weapons before we judge him
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Watching the Packers offense yesterday, and today we can see the Chiefs and Saints etc...
Shows you how wide the talent gap is on that side of the ball
Rodgers threw 48 touchdowns this season. Jones threw 11.
Two different sports. Joe Judge can be the best coach on earth, but he's bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
1. Jones is a fucking baby in conparison to rodgers
2. Adams, a jones, tonyan, lazard. Im not taking a single of our of skill players over theirs.
Get jones some weapons before we judge him
The guy that put these skill players in place is still here. He did a bad job. Why should we expect him to do a good job now? Why should we expect he got the quarterback right when he got the other guys wrong?
The approach, the timing, the methods - they don't add up.
Garrett’s offense is a dinosaur and compare his play calling with KC’s calling. Notice a difference? I doubt Judge fires Garrett, so I guess he is willing to live with mediocrity and forsake creativity.
Unless we get a makeover at the receiver position, nothing but mediocrity awaits us.
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What is the core that needs locking up? The Giants have 2 UFAs of note — Tomlinson and Williams. Who else?
I'd pay Williams, let Tomlinson walk, and bargain bin shop in FA. Cheap 1 or 2 year deals. No big commitments.
I said the same thing and I got laughed at.