And build the team through the draft and through bargain bin free agents. We have a QB on rookie deal and we still have no cap space. Let’s trim the fat and release all high priced underperforming players (Tate, Zeitler, Solder, Mayo) and decide between Williams and Tomlinson. We can only sign one. The one that walks can replace through the draft.
If we take this approach, we should be in much better shape going into next year, where we should be able to contend. Signing big name FAs like Kenny Golloday, Allen Robinson, and Joe Thuney is not the smartest way to build up this team IMO, especially when he have no cap space.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
There will be good WRs released by teams
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
I'd sign up for that. Not a 2nd or 3rd.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
I think a first round pick is better spent on a lineman or Edge Rusher. Skill position players can be had later in the draft.
Fortune favors the bold.
Fortune favors the bold.
That approach hasn’t gotten us shit the last 5+ seasons.
Do you need me to list all the big name Free Agents we’ve signed over the last 5 seasons?
It won’t be like last offseason’s spending spree but it will come close when you factor in the inevitable Williams deal. We’re going to sign a pretty pricey vet FA or two. Bank on it. Williams and a WR. I’d bet on it.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
And another solid vet wr that can play on the boundaries? No. Nothing wrong with that.
It won’t be like last offseason’s spending spree but it will come close when you factor in the inevitable Williams deal. We’re going to sign a pretty pricey vet FA or two. Bank on it. Williams and a WR. I’d bet on it.
We don’t have cap space. We can acquire more by cutting guys and have dead cap hits. Next year we’ll be in the same spot. Let’s build a winner long term, and keep the cap space for when we really need it.
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That’s a myth. I’m good with myths around here. We have space. Don’t believe the myth.
It won’t be like last offseason’s spending spree but it will come close when you factor in the inevitable Williams deal. We’re going to sign a pretty pricey vet FA or two. Bank on it. Williams and a WR. I’d bet on it.
We don’t have cap space. We can acquire more by cutting guys and have dead cap hits. Next year we’ll be in the same spot. Let’s build a winner long term, and keep the cap space for when we really need it.
we are fine on cap. We can resign Williams and probably get one more large FA. That will all fit.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
I think a first round pick is better spent on a lineman or Edge Rusher. Skill position players can be had later in the draft.
Care to list what lineman or edge rusher will be there at 11 or worthy of that pick?
I don’t see an edge rusher and only Sewell as an OL worth spending our 1st on, and IMO he’ll be long gone. I think he goes top 5.
The highest rated players there might very well be WR’s and if so I’d rather that than reach for what’s thought of as a greater need.
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That’s a myth. I’m good with myths around here. We have space. Don’t believe the myth.
It won’t be like last offseason’s spending spree but it will come close when you factor in the inevitable Williams deal. We’re going to sign a pretty pricey vet FA or two. Bank on it. Williams and a WR. I’d bet on it.
We don’t have cap space. We can acquire more by cutting guys and have dead cap hits. Next year we’ll be in the same spot. Let’s build a winner long term, and keep the cap space for when we really need it.
Cap space has been discussed on numerous threads, we are fine and can create more by getting rid of guys like Tate. Cap space is not an issue
We're you once an accountant at Enron?
Getting the right FA at the right price is key.
Over paying, reaching and hoping is not the way.
Eventhough, the Giants needs a game wreaking Edge.....signing an OK edge does nothing....just like it would have been a mistake to sign clowney last year.
Second, I think they need to be aggressive this offseason. That doesn’t mean they should be stupid. They shouldn’t be reckless with the salary cap, and obviously they need another strong draft in April, but this team is close to being a contender... especially with the development of some of the young players drafted last year. The main objective of this off-season should be to infuse talent into the roster, especially on the offense of side of the ball. Despite the price.
We aren’t a few pieces away. You don’t sustain success in this league by building your team through Free Agency. We have a built a core of young players through the draft, let’s expand on that. We aren’t ready to compete for a championship just yet. Let’s keep our space and use it when we need it in the future.
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mentality. Our fanbase is content with mediocrity just like the front office. Such a shame.
We aren’t a few pieces away. You don’t sustain success in this league by building your team through Free Agency. We have a built a core of young players through the draft, let’s expand on that. We aren’t ready to compete for a championship just yet. Let’s keep our space and use it when we need it in the future.
If we’re not a few pieces away why are we retaining an awful GM going into his 4th year on the job when it doesn’t take that long to turn things around in today’s NFL. This team is maddening how they operate.
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mentality. Our fanbase is content with mediocrity just like the front office. Such a shame.
We aren’t a few pieces away. You don’t sustain success in this league by building your team through Free Agency. We have a built a core of young players through the draft, let’s expand on that. We aren’t ready to compete for a championship just yet. Let’s keep our space and use it when we need it in the future.
Nobody said to build the team through free agency. As fans we want the best for our team especially in NY. Some free agent signings were crucial to the last two super bowl wins ala Plaxico, AP, Sam Madison, Antrel Rolle, Michael Boley, Chris Canty etc. so you can save this penny pinching bull shit and sell it somewhere else.
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mentality. Our fanbase is content with mediocrity just like the front office. Such a shame.
We aren’t a few pieces away. You don’t sustain success in this league by building your team through Free Agency. We have a built a core of young players through the draft, let’s expand on that. We aren’t ready to compete for a championship just yet. Let’s keep our space and use it when we need it in the future.
If we’re not a few pieces away why are we retaining an awful GM going into his 4th year on the job when it doesn’t take that long to turn things around in today’s NFL. This team is maddening how they operate.
Because the GM and coach finally have this franchise steering in the right direction. We’ve been trying to get quick fixes here now since at least 2014. We have gotten absolutely no where with that. We now have a young core of players who are growing within our system.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
I think a first round pick is better spent on a lineman or Edge Rusher. Skill position players can be had later in the draft.
Care to list what lineman or edge rusher will be there at 11 or worthy of that pick?
I don’t see an edge rusher and only Sewell as an OL worth spending our 1st on, and IMO he’ll be long gone. I think he goes top 5.
The highest rated players there might very well be WR’s and if so I’d rather that than reach for what’s thought of as a greater need.
Roseau, Kwitty Paye, Ojulari, Zaven Collins, even Christian Barmore if you like him enough.
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mentality. Our fanbase is content with mediocrity just like the front office. Such a shame.
We aren’t a few pieces away. You don’t sustain success in this league by building your team through Free Agency. We have a built a core of young players through the draft, let’s expand on that. We aren’t ready to compete for a championship just yet. Let’s keep our space and use it when we need it in the future.
If we’re not a few pieces away why are we retaining an awful GM going into his 4th year on the job when it doesn’t take that long to turn things around in today’s NFL. This team is maddening how they operate.
Because the GM and coach finally have this franchise steering in the right direction. We’ve been trying to get quick fixes here now since at least 2014. We have gotten absolutely no where with that. We now have a young core of players who are growing within our system.
I’ve been hearing about this young core for a few years now. They should be making substantial leaps in progress. This team needs to be a playoff contender next year no matter how you slice it. Bottom line. No more half measures or bargain bin shopping. You make moves to be relevant in this league or get left behind. That’s via the draft, free agency or a trade. Stop accepting mediocrity.
Bingo!
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
No thanks
Having a healthy Barkley, plus a draft replacement of Tate, and the TEs would do wonders for this offense. We aren’t going to be Kansas City just because we add Kenny Golloday or other high priced Free Agent.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
You mean to tell me we don’t have that much cap space and Jerry Reese has been gone for 4 years now? But everyone tells me DG is still cleaning up Jerry’s mess.
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
The cap can always be massaged and manipulated. Cut the dead weight, extend or rework those who are making too much. It’s a cut throat business.
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
The cap can always be massaged and manipulated. Cut the dead weight, extend or rework those who are making too much. It’s a cut throat
business.
There are ways of making more cap space, as mentioned. There are certainly guys that can be cut, like Tate, etc.
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
The cap can always be massaged and manipulated. Cut the dead weight, extend or rework those who are making too much. It’s a cut throat
business.
There are ways of making more cap space, as mentioned. There are certainly guys that can be cut, like Tate, etc.
I swear some of you dudes on this site have no idea how the cap system works in the NFL.
I think it's very reasonable to expect them to make an offer for Golladay. If they are able to land him, they've got the big power forward security blanket for Jones. Then welcoming Barkley back to the mix, they've got some ability around Jones.
Defensively, I think they'll re-sign LW and let Tomlinson walk. The $$$ they could re-sign Tomlinson with will go to a CB opposite Bradberry. I like DT but have full confidence in Dexter Lawrence sliding to NT and B.J. Hill (or someone else) starting. Coach Chaos will get it done.
Looking at the draft, I think they could go OL, WR, TE, ER or CB and wouldn't feel pressured into anything. There will be a great prospect on the board at one of those positions and for the first time in a while, they won't be pressured to take a QB, OL or Hand of God RB.
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
The cap can always be massaged and manipulated. Cut the dead weight, extend or rework those who are making too much. It’s a cut throat
business.
There are ways of making more cap space, as mentioned. There are certainly guys that can be cut, like Tate, etc.
I swear some of you dudes on this site have no idea how the cap system works in the NFL.
And some of y’all act like you worked for nfl teams and know the cap inside and out. Part of being a fan is dreaming about your team adding talent. It’s fun. You guys must be awesome at parties.
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The Giants were very good in FA last year and they need to continue to look at adding FAs like they did last year. You have to be smart about it. They brought in guys that are still young and have had success. They can’t shy away. They need to, at a minimum address WR and the resigning of Williams and possibly Tomlinson. Maybe even consider an Edge, if one available. We only have so many draft picks and they can’t fix all of our issues.
We have 7 million in cap space. We had a ton more money last year. Cutting Zeitler, Tate, and Solder brings up to like maybe 30 million. Where are we getting this money to sign Leonard Williams or Tomlinson and another big name Wide Receiver. And still have money left for draft picks and emergencies?
The cap can always be massaged and manipulated. Cut the dead weight, extend or rework those who are making too much. It’s a cut throat
business.
There are ways of making more cap space, as mentioned. There are certainly guys that can be cut, like Tate, etc.
I swear some of you dudes on this site have no idea how the cap system works in the NFL.
So you know how the giants are going to structure these contracts? Because plenty of money can be pushed to 2022 which we have plenty of room. No one on the outside looking in think we have a bad cap situation. Now or in the future.
Like someone said up top, Fortune favors the brave
Yes the oline needs more help but so doesn't corner, back up running back, and rush end
The presumptive offensive starters on the Giants next year include a majority of players drafted or signed by the Giants as rookies: Thomas, Lemieux, Gates, Peart, Shepard, Slayton, Engram, Jones, Barkley. There is no reason the Giants shouldn’t meaningfully upgrade guard and WR in UFA.
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next season? This has to be addressed.
Slayton, Shepard, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Something wrong with Slayton, Shepard, and a 1st round draft pick?
Bad value to take a WR in the first round, but especially this year in a draft deep with WRs. We can get one in the 2nd.
Unfortunately, that is really difficult if not impossible to pull off.
Surgical strikes at the top and great hard working scouting/coach aided screening to get depth and players rounds 4 and beyond and as UFDA's and as other rosters turn over.
Under Reese and the first two years of DG, I used to have the feeling we picked names out of a hat and press clippings.
Since we changed process and rigor and several scouts, we seem to have done much better beyond the top 3 FA and top 3 draftees.
Do it again this year and depth wins a game and or we get "lucky" developing 1-2 players.
At least now we seem to have added training and development to the sequence (Scouting/coach driven due diligence/ Selecting/Training/Feedback/Preparation) that puts a total team product on the field.
Judge seems centered on a block by block approach which may take a year longer but produces a stronger and more durable team composition.
We shall see.