That's a player you aren't considering at 11. Frankly, I wouldn't draft Pitts until the 2nd round if I'm any team, and if I'm the Giants I wouldn't take him until the 3rd at earliest, and probably not even then. He is not SO great of a TE that you take him at 11 overall. He doesn't do much to move the needle on this team, either.
The good news is that Gettleman is not Reese so this won't happen.
Throw in the fact he’s not a good blocker and he’s a guy I’ve now come to realize I can’t count on . I’d feel differently if he excelled in one of the areas we need a TE to but he doesn’t.
I can see with all the other weapons listed, Engram being a guy who could benefit. Then running open only to see another pass hit him right in the hands and either be dropped or popped into the air for an int.
Here’s hoping he hits the jugs machine this off season and somehow improves his catching.
Hunter Henry = 10-15M/yr
Golladay/Robinson etc... = 17-20M/yr
That's just an example, not what I would do.
There will be a lot of talent in round #2, but someone I'd have my eye on and suspect will have just as good career as Pitts at a much cheaper cost would be...2nd Round = TE Pat Freiermuth.
Hunter Henry = 10-15M/yr
Golladay/Robinson etc... = 17-20M/yr
That's just an example, not what I would do.
There will be a lot of talent in round #2, but someone I'd have my eye on and suspect will have just as good career as Pitts at a much cheaper cost would be...2nd Round = TE Pat Freiermuth.
I don't see having Henry and Engram. I like this if we trade Engram for something, maybe a draft pick
I hope they get rid of Engram. His stats look decent but he’s isn’t a winning player. He seems to make plays when they Giants are out of the game and the other team is playing a soft defense. He isn’t an impact player in a good way.
maybe Engram can learn to tip it up to Pitts, kind of
Of this this once their rookie contracts expire. Engram simply sucks and causes more negative plays the positive ones. And no smart rebuilding organization invests big cap dollars into a running back. We made a mistake drafting him at 2 and we can’t afford to exacerbate the issue by investing substantial resources into a non prime position. Would love grouping Golladay and Pitts with the rest of our WR’s. Then either sign Gallman or draft a starting RB in one of the middle rounds.
In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
Fair point but he got hurt earlier in the season if I remember correctly and he basically sucked as he played through injury. I’m not going to knock him for that so in my eyes he barely played.
another major knock on Barkley is that his pass blocking is beyond horrendous. With someone like Jones at QB who doesn’t have great pocket presence and can’t feel the rush, that’s just not a good combination.
another major knock on Barkley is that his pass blocking is beyond horrendous. With someone like Jones at QB who doesn’t have great pocket presence and can’t feel the rush, that’s just not a good combination.
No it's not. Seriously, how do you just state something blatantly false with such confidence?
It isn't his strongest attribute. It could get better, but it's far from "beyond horrible." He's more than capable of standing rushers up, and he's done it in the past. Like anything, his mistakes are just so much more amplified on this board as opposed to when he does his job well.
In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
At least 4 of those games he was seriously hobbled with a high-ankle sprain, but he played anyway. Everyone watching the Giants knows that
Barkley had a great 1st year, and basically played healthy for
Barkley will be on IR, Engram will be dropping more passes than he catches, Shepard will get hurt again. Slayton is decent but did not have a great sophomore year.
Better draft some football players.
but if he is back, we're not drafting Pitts. And if we draft Pitts, Engram is gone. I am pretty sure Judge is going to want a 2-way TE on the field for most plays, and I suspect we will try to add at least one via draft or FA.
Evan Engram. Pitts is a fundamentally different player. Whether he will be a game changer in the NFL is hard to know until he gets there. There are some talent evaluators comparing him to Shannon Sharpe.
That means they're spending big FA money on a wideout coming off a series of injuries who may not fit the coaches vision (some typical contract griping on social media. Nothing huge but absolutely worth consideration with a big deal).
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
play without viewing coaches film and a great understanding of the game, play call, goal of play etc. which i admit i don’t have.
Nevertheless the Giants seemed to be playing well as a run first or power run team. If SB returns from injury how does he potentially or realistically fit that offense? The Giant o line could use back ups but not necessarily high draft picks.
I think we can and must keep Tomlinson and 99 on the d line, draft CB’s and edge/lbs high if they deserve it to make the defense more formidable. A scary tough defense combined with a great running game is not a bad way to go and we are close to that. A lot depends on keeping our 2 d line stars and hoping Barkley can be healed and fit a power game.
then get a TE who can block and separate and two WRs who can separate better than outs and are tall. I think you take highest who is most likely to become an impact player and draft or FA rest which i think you can do. So much depends on SB returning to form that it’s scary.
Give Jones another year with a good tough running offense, better receivers, and TE and he will bloom as well. Build up the “d” at lb/rush and cb first and then fill in at offense and we should continue to be more competitive.
I know the league is a “passing” league and it’s why i think the above points are valid, and going in a different direction can make for a team that’s harder to prepare for.
If McDaniels becomes the Eagles coach, I think it is a good bet they pick Pitts. McDaniels has the creativity to use Pitts well.
Don’t the Eagles have two TEs that are already respectable? Ertz and Goeddert?!
Ertz is gone. But I think they're going OL or WR.
They have a lot of holes and I can see them going Parsons too if he’s there.
To me they’re a wild card and really no telling which way they go. I would be surprised if they went WR though as they went there last year in rd 1. Then again Smith or Chase may be graded too high to pass on. Lol. Like I said, a wild card to me.
Having even one much less two players like Engram and Pitts is a mistake. Neither has a legitimate position on an NFL field. Neither is a TE nor are they WR. Paying huge FA dollars to Golliday is also a questionable decision. Other than that....
Barkley will be on IR, Engram will be dropping more passes than he catches, Shepard will get hurt again. Slayton is decent but did not have a great sophomore year.
Better draft some football players.
That means they're spending big FA money on a wideout coming off a series of injuries who may not fit the coaches vision (some typical contract griping on social media. Nothing huge but absolutely worth consideration with a big deal).
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
Exactly how is Pitts considered more athlete than football player. He’s a good route runner, willing blocker, sticky hands, makes sideline catches, contested catches, and high-point catches, crazy catch radius, run after the catch ability, defeats press easily...
Engram is an athlete, PItts is a TE... If Pitts isn’t a TE then neither is Hunter Henry and the majority of TE’s in the league.
That's a player you aren't considering at 11. Frankly, I wouldn't draft Pitts until the 2nd round if I'm any team, and if I'm the Giants I wouldn't take him until the 3rd at earliest, and probably not even then. He is not SO great of a TE that you take him at 11 overall. He doesn't do much to move the needle on this team, either.
You wouldn’t take Kyle pitts in the third round? Congrats, you’re in the driver’s seat for the dumbest comment of the year on BBI. No small feat
The good news is that Gettleman is not Reese so this won't happen.
another major knock on Barkley is that his pass blocking is beyond horrendous. With someone like Jones at QB who doesn’t have great pocket presence and can’t feel the rush, that’s just not a good combination.
I've often thought criticizing Barkley for his blocking is like marrying a super model and complaining about her cooking.
no thanks on Pitts. Seems to me 11 is a rich pick for another
That means they're spending big FA money on a wideout coming off a series of injuries who may not fit the coaches vision (some typical contract griping on social media. Nothing huge but absolutely worth consideration with a big deal).
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
Exactly how is Pitts considered more athlete than football player. He’s a good route runner, willing blocker, sticky hands, makes sideline catches, contested catches, and high-point catches, crazy catch radius, run after the catch ability, defeats press easily...
Engram is an athlete, PItts is a TE... If Pitts isn’t a TE then neither is Hunter Henry and the majority of TE’s in the league.
Fair point on the athlete comments, he does do a lot of things very well. Exceptionally really. Id be more accurate to say his skill set is more that of a WR than a TE.
As for his game, I think we use the term "willing blocker" as a compliment (which it really isnt), especially when we want to gloss over a deficiency bc of playmaker potential. Essentially it means the guy doesnt mind trying it but isn't very good at it. Case in point: Engram is a willing blocker. He absolutely makes an effort in that department, despite being fairly poor in that regard. For all his warts effort is not one of them. But hes still not good at it.
To be clear I dont dislike Pitts. I just dont like him for the Giants. I feel like there are more complete players likely to be available. And I could easily be wrong. If Im taking a TE at 11 he better be able to go in-line and stand someone up a few times a game on short to-go scenarios. Thats not Pitts.
and go after Friermuth in the 2nd. Pitts is another Engram waiting to happen.
The way I see it, I think it would be a big mistake to take Pitts if a guy like Waddle or Parsons in available when we are up. Why? IMO I think we can get by another year with EE as our TE but we need to upgrade both WR and LB this year which are bigger needs. Even if we sign a top WR in FA, I still go LB over TE.
Because I'm not convinced we have solved that problem yet, either.
And not, Saquon at 2 isn't worse.
That's a player you aren't considering at 11. Frankly, I wouldn't draft Pitts until the 2nd round if I'm any team, and if I'm the Giants I wouldn't take him until the 3rd at earliest, and probably not even then. He is not SO great of a TE that you take him at 11 overall. He doesn't do much to move the needle on this team, either.
The good news is that Gettleman is not Reese so this won't happen.
I can see with all the other weapons listed, Engram being a guy who could benefit. Then running open only to see another pass hit him right in the hands and either be dropped or popped into the air for an int.
Here’s hoping he hits the jugs machine this off season and somehow improves his catching.
Golladay/Robinson etc... = 17-20M/yr
That's just an example, not what I would do.
There will be a lot of talent in round #2, but someone I'd have my eye on and suspect will have just as good career as Pitts at a much cheaper cost would be...2nd Round = TE Pat Freiermuth.
And the less that Evan Engram is on the field, the better.
Golladay/Robinson etc... = 17-20M/yr
That's just an example, not what I would do.
There will be a lot of talent in round #2, but someone I'd have my eye on and suspect will have just as good career as Pitts at a much cheaper cost would be...2nd Round = TE Pat Freiermuth.
I don't see having Henry and Engram. I like this if we trade Engram for something, maybe a draft pick
I hope they get rid of Engram. His stats look decent but he’s isn’t a winning player. He seems to make plays when they Giants are out of the game and the other team is playing a soft defense. He isn’t an impact player in a good way.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
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In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
Fair point but he got hurt earlier in the season if I remember correctly and he basically sucked as he played through injury. I’m not going to knock him for that so in my eyes he barely played.
No it's not. Seriously, how do you just state something blatantly false with such confidence?
It isn't his strongest attribute. It could get better, but it's far from "beyond horrible." He's more than capable of standing rushers up, and he's done it in the past. Like anything, his mistakes are just so much more amplified on this board as opposed to when he does his job well.
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In comment 15125952 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Of our best offensive player. Makes sense.
Don’t be so simple minded. He barely played the past 2 season and when he did play he was average at best. He had a great rookie yr but it doesn’t matter how great Barkley is. You don’t invest substantial resources into the RB position if you want to build a team to sustain long term success. It’s been proven over and over again that you can find plenty of talent at the RB position in the middle rounds of the draft. To invest $10+ million per yr would be an absolute travesty and set this team back half a decade.
Barely played? I’ve seen this posted here before but he played in 13 games his 2nd year. 16 as a rookie before getting hurt this last year in the 2nd game.
Saying he barely played in his 2nd season is just flat out wrong. 13 games isn’t barely playing.
At least 4 of those games he was seriously hobbled with a high-ankle sprain, but he played anyway. Everyone watching the Giants knows that
If the GM and HC were in agreement on this pick, firing both for organizational chaos should have been considered.
And I have no problem with some organizations taking Engram where we took him.
If the GM and HC were in agreement on this pick, firing both for organizational chaos should have been considered.
And I have no problem with some organizations taking Engram where we took him.
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I have seen years of "duh, don't know why Engram can't be a base TE."
If the GM and HC were in agreement on this pick, firing both for organizational chaos should have been considered.
And I have no problem with some organizations taking Engram where we took him.
not sure Pitt’s is really a TE so much as a receiver that can be moved all over the field.
From what I've seen of him, he moves pretty well for a TE and not that well for a WR.
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I have seen years of "duh, don't know why Engram can't be a base TE."
If the GM and HC were in agreement on this pick, firing both for organizational chaos should have been considered.
And I have no problem with some organizations taking Engram where we took him.
not sure Pitt’s is really a TE so much as a receiver that can be moved all over the field.
We don’t need another Evan Engram. We need a real WR.
Better draft some football players.
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
Don’t the Eagles have two TEs that are already respectable? Ertz and Goeddert?!
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If McDaniels becomes the Eagles coach, I think it is a good bet they pick Pitts. McDaniels has the creativity to use Pitts well.
Don’t the Eagles have two TEs that are already respectable? Ertz and Goeddert?!
Ertz is gone. But I think they're going OL or WR.
Nevertheless the Giants seemed to be playing well as a run first or power run team. If SB returns from injury how does he potentially or realistically fit that offense? The Giant o line could use back ups but not necessarily high draft picks.
I think we can and must keep Tomlinson and 99 on the d line, draft CB’s and edge/lbs high if they deserve it to make the defense more formidable. A scary tough defense combined with a great running game is not a bad way to go and we are close to that. A lot depends on keeping our 2 d line stars and hoping Barkley can be healed and fit a power game.
then get a TE who can block and separate and two WRs who can separate better than outs and are tall. I think you take highest who is most likely to become an impact player and draft or FA rest which i think you can do. So much depends on SB returning to form that it’s scary.
Give Jones another year with a good tough running offense, better receivers, and TE and he will bloom as well. Build up the “d” at lb/rush and cb first and then fill in at offense and we should continue to be more competitive.
I know the league is a “passing” league and it’s why i think the above points are valid, and going in a different direction can make for a team that’s harder to prepare for.
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If McDaniels becomes the Eagles coach, I think it is a good bet they pick Pitts. McDaniels has the creativity to use Pitts well.
Don’t the Eagles have two TEs that are already respectable? Ertz and Goeddert?!
Ertz is gone. But I think they're going OL or WR.
They have a lot of holes and I can see them going Parsons too if he’s there.
To me they’re a wild card and really no telling which way they go. I would be surprised if they went WR though as they went there last year in rd 1. Then again Smith or Chase may be graded too high to pass on. Lol. Like I said, a wild card to me.
Better draft some football players.
Go back to your Mom's basement
Barkley won't be in the IR but be an ass
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
Exactly how is Pitts considered more athlete than football player. He’s a good route runner, willing blocker, sticky hands, makes sideline catches, contested catches, and high-point catches, crazy catch radius, run after the catch ability, defeats press easily...
Engram is an athlete, PItts is a TE... If Pitts isn’t a TE then neither is Hunter Henry and the majority of TE’s in the league.
And not, Saquon at 2 isn't worse.
That's a player you aren't considering at 11. Frankly, I wouldn't draft Pitts until the 2nd round if I'm any team, and if I'm the Giants I wouldn't take him until the 3rd at earliest, and probably not even then. He is not SO great of a TE that you take him at 11 overall. He doesn't do much to move the needle on this team, either.
You wouldn’t take Kyle pitts in the third round? Congrats, you’re in the driver’s seat for the dumbest comment of the year on BBI. No small feat
The good news is that Gettleman is not Reese so this won't happen.
I've often thought criticizing Barkley for his blocking is like marrying a super model and complaining about her cooking.
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That means they're spending big FA money on a wideout coming off a series of injuries who may not fit the coaches vision (some typical contract griping on social media. Nothing huge but absolutely worth consideration with a big deal).
They'd also be investing a near-top 10 pick on an guy who is more athlete/match up nightmare potential than he is football player. Its a bit of a luxury pick, and Im not even convinced they're currently creative enough to maximize his potential.
And as for the Barkley discussion, as much as I like the guy its really its really hard to envision a scenario where a 2nd contract actually works out in everyones favor. If youre making him the highest paid RB in the league, which he will very likely be, he'd better be the engine of an offense thats competing for titles.
Exactly how is Pitts considered more athlete than football player. He’s a good route runner, willing blocker, sticky hands, makes sideline catches, contested catches, and high-point catches, crazy catch radius, run after the catch ability, defeats press easily...
Engram is an athlete, PItts is a TE... If Pitts isn’t a TE then neither is Hunter Henry and the majority of TE’s in the league.
Fair point on the athlete comments, he does do a lot of things very well. Exceptionally really. Id be more accurate to say his skill set is more that of a WR than a TE.
As for his game, I think we use the term "willing blocker" as a compliment (which it really isnt), especially when we want to gloss over a deficiency bc of playmaker potential. Essentially it means the guy doesnt mind trying it but isn't very good at it. Case in point: Engram is a willing blocker. He absolutely makes an effort in that department, despite being fairly poor in that regard. For all his warts effort is not one of them. But hes still not good at it.
To be clear I dont dislike Pitts. I just dont like him for the Giants. I feel like there are more complete players likely to be available. And I could easily be wrong. If Im taking a TE at 11 he better be able to go in-line and stand someone up a few times a game on short to-go scenarios. Thats not Pitts.
The way I see it, I think it would be a big mistake to take Pitts if a guy like Waddle or Parsons in available when we are up. Why? IMO I think we can get by another year with EE as our TE but we need to upgrade both WR and LB this year which are bigger needs. Even if we sign a top WR in FA, I still go LB over TE.