they basically have 2 guys - Hill, Kelce, and the rest are JAGs, including the Oline. Then you have Mahomes that can buy the time for Hill and Kelse to work open.
Can Judge put together a similar offense with Jones. They would need Pits and then Waddle. Not sure if Waddle is shifty enough as Hill, but just as fast. Pitts is easily Kelce.
Very doable to pick Pitts at #11, and then trade up if Waddle falls past 25 or so. One can dream.
He has always been an offensive guru
The chiefs have great weapons and a great QB. The Giants don't have either
Hill is a top 5 WR in the NFL.
That covers a ton of deficiencies.
So there's no way Pitts doesn't last till 11 and Waddle doesn't fall abit for his injury history. We'll see.
I disagree. Hardman, Robinson, and Pringle are JAGs. Just because they are on KC does not make them a cut above JAGs. They are JAGs. The target totals tells the story.
The chiefs have great weapons and a great QB. The Giants don't have either
While you are right that Mahomes is beyond the best in football, is it really necessary to say Jones couldn't wipe his ass? There are 26 other QBs in the NFL that couldn't wipe his ass. Right now there are probably 2 HoFers playing that at this point couldn't wipe Mahomes ass.
How about Jones has the same WRs and TE and see how it goes. No Jones is not Mahomes and never will be even with that talent.
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Daniel Jones couldn't wipe Patrick Mahomes ass on his best day, and that's not really a knock on Jones.
The chiefs have great weapons and a great QB. The Giants don't have either
While you are right that Mahomes is beyond the best in football, is it really necessary to say Jones couldn't wipe his ass? There are 26 other QBs in the NFL that couldn't wipe his ass. Right now there are probably 2 HoFers playing that at this point couldn't wipe Mahomes ass.
How about Jones has the same WRs and TE and see how it goes. No Jones is not Mahomes and never will be even with that talent.
Stop pretending to be offended. Jones can’t wipe Mahomes ass realistically and any one can see that. No need to blindly defend your loyalty to the Giants to argue facts.
Oh yea they have this guy Mahomes.
Some people here think Mahomes couldn't do anything with the Giants offense. Uh.. yea he could.
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Daniel Jones couldn't wipe Patrick Mahomes ass on his best day, and that's not really a knock on Jones.
The chiefs have great weapons and a great QB. The Giants don't have either
While you are right that Mahomes is beyond the best in football, is it really necessary to say Jones couldn't wipe his ass? There are 26 other QBs in the NFL that couldn't wipe his ass. Right now there are probably 2 HoFers playing that at this point couldn't wipe Mahomes ass.
How about Jones has the same WRs and TE and see how it goes. No Jones is not Mahomes and never will be even with that talent.
Somehow you just failed to read the part where I said "That's not really a knock on Jones"
If Henne is their QB next Sunday, the Bills will rout the Chiefs.
I think that supports the notion that there's more to the Chiefs than just Mahomes. They went to the playoffs with Smith, the year before Mahomes go there.
It's always that way. You could make the argument that The Pats were more than Brady because they won with a back up during the year.
It takes both to have a quality team and you simply can't win with just one. I also point to Steve Young, a bust, he goes to San Fran and he's an immortal. Mahomes and Rogers are the best I've ever seen and I saw (if it's only dimmly remembered) Otto Graham and Johnie U. But There's guys as potentially good as them who never made it because of poor to ordinary surrounding casts of team and coaching.
If you had to choose Team is more important and a great team can compete with ordinary qb, but a great QB can NOT win without a very good team.
The notion (as expressed here) that Mahomes could go to any team and instantly turn them around is wishful thinking.
Question from thread starter stoneman.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Daniel Jones has neither the pocket presence; flexibility; elusiveness; array of arm angle throws; vision; nor creativeness to re-create what Patrick Mahomes brings to the Kansas City offense. Not close.
Question from thread starter stoneman.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Daniel Jones has neither the pocket presence; flexibility; elusiveness; array of arm angle throws; vision; nor creativeness to re-create what Patrick Mahomes brings to the Kansas City offense. Not close.
Your long answer nails it. Mahomes is a QB savant.
While Reid is an excellent offensive coach and play caller, Mahomes makes that offensive inimitable because of his genius to make plays off script. The word generational should be reserved for guys like him.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
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this thread went about the way I thought.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
stay off it then. The OP posed a question that by its terms involved the qb position. In answer to the question, it’s fair game to point out differences between the KC qb and our own.
Amen Homer!!!
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
Daniel Jones does some good things. He stands tall in the pocket and shows a lot of courage back there. And he throws a nice ball. He can gouge a defense with his legs, and if the Giants secure a true #1 WR next season via the Draft or Free Agency, I expect Daniel Jones' stats to improve.
But I stand by my comparison with Patrick Mahomes for a very simple reason: it's true.
Truly mystifying.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
Never change.
I think a more realistic goal for Jones is throwing For more TD passes in 14 games than guys who missed more than half a season. Let’s start there.
Truly mystifying.
Seriously...put the best NFL QB and TE on the same team along with the most versatile WR in the NFL...it's almost like the other players on the team can just be decent in their roles and look good.
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this thread went about the way I thought.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
stay off it then. The OP posed a question that by its terms involved the qb position. In answer to the question, it’s fair game to point out differences between the KC qb and our own.
I guess the thread didn't go the way you thought afterall.
But wait! Don't tell any of the other teams.. because none of them are thinking all they need is a couple good draft picks.
While they may have the occasional high draft choice sitting on the line (ie., Eric Fisher), the balance is clearly made up of middle to late round picks, average free agent signees or just plain JAGs. Yet they get elite-level performancesout of them.
I don't know whether to be optimistic based on this when thinking about the NYG or just pissed off our guys can't do this too.
Think there may have been a thread questioning that very topic a few days ago.
While they may have the occasional high draft choice sitting on the line (ie., Eric Fisher), the balance is clearly made up of middle to late round picks, average free agent signees or just plain JAGs. Yet they get elite-level performancesout of them.
I don't know whether to be optimistic based on this when thinking about the NYG or just pissed off our guys can't do this too.
This is this biggest factor and great observation. Reid particularly has consistently put together good lines his whole career while maximizing QB's performances. Interestingly the last very good Giants OL was built with mostly lower picks.
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and Green Bay, it is a testament to how those franchises do a good job in both scouting and coaching those players.
While they may have the occasional high draft choice sitting on the line (ie., Eric Fisher), the balance is clearly made up of middle to late round picks, average free agent signees or just plain JAGs. Yet they get elite-level performancesout of them.
I don't know whether to be optimistic based on this when thinking about the NYG or just pissed off our guys can't do this too.
This is this biggest factor and great observation. Reid particularly has consistently put together good lines his whole career while maximizing QB's performances. Interestingly the last very good Giants OL was built with mostly lower picks.
Very good points from both of you. In general, the Giants have done a miserable job scouting and developing Oline talent over the past decade, featuring some high round pick and free agents. Maybe this is changing now, but remains to be seen. I think the qbs also make the lines look very good. Both Mahomes and Rodgers have an elite sense and feel for the pocket and game in general, understanding when/how to navigate the pocket.
It is a tremendous advantage when you can assemble a quality oline from lower round draft picks and unheralded agents.
Keep drafting OL talent. Competition and weed out the older ones. At most only have a couple on big contracts.
Just another chance to pile on Jones to proclaim him as a terrible QB.
People are going to continue to do that until he shows otherwise.
We're stuck in the worst era of Giants football many of us have ever lived through...what do you want?
Keep drafting OL talent. Competition and weed out the older ones. At most only have a couple on big contracts.
Not suggesting spending above value, but I am not typically opposed to giving out second contracts when warranted. Besides, I think the Giants have shown they are that good at identifying OL talent, so why let a good one slip away?