He’s Also lost yet another home playoff game. He can go away now. But first please celebrate another individual passing record and stop the game for 20 minutes.
I was going to add that. Brees and Payton have lost a lot of playoff games were they were the favorite and he's got 1 playoff road win in his career.
What a journey. From a second round pick for San Diego to a major shoulder injury to the Saints taking a major gamble on him to a SB to...eventually...Canton, OH.
Good career? He’s hanging them up tops in yards, completions, and 2nd in TDs — all time. 58 games over .500, and a ring. He’s had all time career. Unequivocal first ballot HOFer.
Good career? Wouldn't take him over Eli? Come on...
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
Good career? Wouldn't take him over Eli? Come on...
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
I think a lot of fans focus solely on the Giants, and that may have impacted their sense of scale relative to what is going on elsewhere in the NFL...particularly among the top level teams.
Fuck the Eagles. Him and the Saints were the best bet in the NFC 3 years ago to bump them with Rodgers out. Not Case Keenum and some wimpy Vikings defense.
if it's one year too late or if that rib injury killed his season, but the only times I saw him was in the last couple of games and it looks like he could barely throw the ball over 20 yards.
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
What a terrific and on-point post, imo..FMiC has been absolutely correct imv. Some here (do we really need to identify them?) would rather be right, than have us win and prove them wrong. Their mantras? “You guys can’t take objectivity. Instead you’d rather drink the Kook-Aid.”
Giant fans use their objectivity to hide the fact they really just
..it is sort of like alcoholics ... sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to acknowledge ther is a problem. And yes there is a problem. It has to do with Gettle , #6 and #2. Not even close to competing and never will.
And brees better than Eli pff. Who has more rings?
Good career? Wouldn't take him over Eli? Come on...
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
Fans also know what happened under Eli. Two SB wins and 2 SB MVP's. So while there are a lot of great QB's in this Era, people always want to qualify it with Eli being pushed below some of the other QB's rather than just realize there were several accomplished QB's.
What I do know is that despite making the playoffs much more consistently than the Giants did, Eli will have more Lombardi's than several of his contemporaries who are considered much better.
Exactly. And it’s become more common to criticize the Giants based on their last 30 years which is absurd. As I said about, with each passing year I become more impressed with Eli, Coughlin & the organization in how they took advantage of the Eli years.
I think if you went back to 2014 say, and blind polled Giants fans, and asked if they’d rather have Drew Brees or Manning moving forward, Brees would win.
I think retirement and the benching controversy have been kind to Manning’s legacy, and covered up a lot of the the frustrations many fans felt while he was playing.
Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
I’m sure Cowboys fans wouldn’t trade the Aikman years for the Manning years. Just like I wouldn’t trade Manning years for the Brees years.
At any rate, it’s a good barometer to know who’s a serious football fan. If someone thinks Brees had a good, not great career, I know to avoid a serious football conversation with them.
is absurd. So much that it feels more like exaggerating for effect.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
RE: Posters criticizing the Giants based on their last 30 years
is absurd. So much that it feels more like exaggerating for effect.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
I guess for me, I’m able to see that the Giants struggled moving off Eli. I think that is reasonable and not unique to the Giants. It’s hard to move off franchise legends.
I can separate that when looking at what the Giants are trying to build now because Eli is no longer in the building.
The Coughlin era Giants, especially in hindsight were really special. No losing seasons from '05 - '12, 5 playoffs births (and a 10-6 miss), and 2 rings.
For me it really puts into context this era.
RE: RE: Posters criticizing the Giants based on their last 30 years
is absurd. So much that it feels more like exaggerating for effect.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
I guess for me, I’m able to see that the Giants struggled moving off Eli. I think that is reasonable and not unique to the Giants. It’s hard to move off franchise legends.
I can separate that when looking at what the Giants are trying to build now because Eli is no longer in the building.
No question they struggled moving off Eli, so the decision makers opted instead to not do so. With that decision came the ramifications of not taking a different path years ago. But nobody really knows if that path would have been a better one anyway.
The only thing we do know is they are way overdue of finding their way now. Path: Get better decision makers, make better decisions, get better players, win more games.
Exactly. And it’s become more common to criticize the Giants based on their last 30 years which is absurd. As I said about, with each passing year I become more impressed with Eli, Coughlin & the organization in how they took advantage of the Eli years.
What are you talking about? Ernie was totally the man while the roster was better when Eli got there -- it was not really anything special after his 2nd year. Shockey was gone so was Tiki. Ernie had his pass rushers in place but eventually that gravy train and cap space would have to be dialed back.
Cruz came out of nowhere and they had to pay him and he went back to being an undrafted guy from umass. Hakeem nicks was a stud wideout and got hurt. But lets face it the '07 and '11 Giants were all Manning. For them to waste his peak years on perpetual rebuilds when just 30 years old and then to bench him for Daniel Jones. I mean really. Shurmur you don't bench him for Gino Smith but for Daniel jones. I guess they wanted to see what they had but, I don't think the giants did right by Eli at all. Strangely the onle one to say anything was Terry bradshaw. Even at the end with supposed Gettle rebuilding the team around Eli. It looked like he was just jettisoning veterans and making stupid high draft picks like #2 and #6 not really rebulding for a last run at all.
Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
This is a bit off the original topic, but I wanted to add to this. I have been a critic of Eli; however, I absolutely agree he was better than Aikman.
Aikman is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Sure, Aikman had a great arm, was a good athlete, good leader, etc. But his stats were atrocious; and that has to mean something. I get that Dallas was a run first team, but they had a GREAT OL and great offensive weapons. Yet Aikman almost through the ball to the other team as much as he threw TDs.
If I need to win a game for my life, and the choices are Eli and Aikman, I'm taking Eli every single time.
Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
This is a bit off the original topic, but I wanted to add to this. I have been a critic of Eli; however, I absolutely agree he was better than Aikman.
Aikman is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Sure, Aikman had a great arm, was a good athlete, good leader, etc. But his stats were atrocious; and that has to mean something. I get that Dallas was a run first team, but they had a GREAT OL and great offensive weapons. Yet Aikman almost through the ball to the other team as much as he threw TDs.
If I need to win a game for my life, and the choices are Eli and Aikman, I'm taking Eli every single time.
I don't even get the comparison. they were playing in different eras of the league. Aikman is a hall of famer and Eli threw a ton of picks too. But since I have asigned Eli helmet guess who I am going with?
Both guys had a career 3% Int rate. Manning had a career 1.5 to 1 TD:Int, Aikman was 1.2 to 1. Aikman just didn’t produce a lot of points with his arm.
In 2018, (I went to that game) Brees again looked nothing special against the Giants outside of that stupid dome.
It's not really a personal thing with Brees but if you can't see where I'm coming from that they weren't a headache (pick one) in the last decade in a half, I don't know what to say.
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
This is EXACTLY RIGHT.
Sean, didn't you start a thread on Eli and Coughlin deserving more credit last night, or am I misremembering that? What happened to it? Did it get shouted down by the shout everything down crew?
What a crock of shit.
Disingenuous. Different people to different degrees, but disingenuous none the less. That describes a lot of you. You hold the Giants to a different standard than other NFL teams are judged by, period. When Eli had winning records but not putting up the "stats" of his contemporaries. He wasn't good enough. Later in his career, he had the stats but the Giants were 6-10 for three seasons and it was laid at his feet, or even worse, all credited to Odell Beckham "bailing him out", or even more laughably, crediting it to Ben McAdoo becoming OC. NOW... Team record is a QB stat. How convenient. Bullshit. You can't even see your own bullshit. Or you do, and argue around it.
The new cry of the realists is "Well, we're tired of losing". NO SHIT! You think any red blooded Giants fan likes losing? Listen to yourself. As if you're the only one with a clear vision of how to fix this but if they don't listen to you then they've accepted the status quo of losing. I guarantee you losing is not acceptable to them.
But guess what, between 2005 and 2012, I guess the realists were "tired of winning", because they bitched and moaned through no losing seasons 7 years in a ROW, with playoff appearances 5/7 seasons (incluuding missing the playoffs at 10-6 one year), including playoff appearances in 4 strait seasons ('05-'08), and oh yeah, two Superbowl championships. You know what was that era of BBI's realist call to arms before "we're tired of losing"? It was: "Well, outside of the two Superbowls... (insert rip here, most popular targets being Eli and Coughlin for years)". Now we have some posters that will argue tooth and nail that Eli and Coughlin don't belong in the hall of fame, but you'll argue all day long that guys with less are a shoe in first ballot based on stats, even though it didn't translate to multiple championships. But hey, they blew it out of the water in the regular season. Yeah, they lost a lot in the playoffs, or didn't go all the way but once or less, but if you take away Eli and Coughlin's two Superbowl runs, they were 0-3 in the playoffs, right? They shouldn't get in based on "outliers". It's so hypocritical.
You're not a realist. You're a malcontent curmudgeon. And losing makes your playground bigger.
That's nice that some of you have found perspective on that era as a special one, a decade later. Just remember, some of us appreciated every minute of it WHILE it actually happened. But we were bunch of dumb homers, defending Eli, Coughlin, Gilbride. Even then we couldn't see the greatness we were missing out on that you guys saw us as lacking in between championships.
So please, spare me the "we're tired of losing" bullshit. Even the winning you crave wasn't enough for you then. That doesn't apply to all of you. Some of you have grown cynical with age, some have been hardened by losing, some of you I imagine were just kids during that era. Others disappeared once the winning seasons started, and only showed back up once the losing started again so who knows/cares what they think.
Some of you act surprised at the blowback you're getting on threads, after making this board literally miserable all season long (as if Covid wasn't fucking enough along with starting 1-7) about how everything was terrible, everything's going to be terrible, the Giants are shit, the Giants are never winning again as long as they have x/y/z, blah blah fucking blah... all the while moving from thread to thread shouting down any and every single thing deemed as positive, calling people homers and implying that people must LOVE losing and only you don't. Taking victory laps and beating your chests every week about how you are right and everybody else is wrong, all the while accusing other people of doing it which has possibly been the most ironic part of it all. Now you you can't understand why people are giving you blowback when teams you pumped up all season failed?
Whatever. Don't bother rounding up the crew for the shout down, I'll see myself out now.
Yes I did. I ultimately deleted it because I didn’t want it to come across me bashing Brees.
My point stands though, Eli & Coughlin do not get enough recognition for winning TWO Super Bowl titles during their run. That was an enormous accomplishment and I just realize it more and more with each passing year.
They were good I guess but not really anything great
Meanwhile other teams of that time and other qb ‘s had way more interesting things going on.
I honesty have been walking memories of the teamir him. 0 wow factor and fell asleep during one of their mnf games otherwise don’t really remember them except they never seem to win SBs but always in the playoffs
I was going to add that. Brees and Payton have lost a lot of playoff games were they were the favorite and he's got 1 playoff road win in his career.
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
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Good career? Wouldn't take him over Eli? Come on...
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
I think a lot of fans focus solely on the Giants, and that may have impacted their sense of scale relative to what is going on elsewhere in the NFL...particularly among the top level teams.
Yep. Didn't take longer than a day for him to fold like a cheap lawn chair and start groveling for forgiveness
There's one reason I don't like him.
Good enough for me.
Nice take. Totally reasoned and logical. /sarcasm
Fuck the Eagles. Him and the Saints were the best bet in the NFC 3 years ago to bump them with Rodgers out. Not Case Keenum and some wimpy Vikings defense.
Not sarcastic. Fuck em.
There's one reason I don't like him.
Good enough for me.
It was Brees's fault that the NO defense choked to Minnesots in 2017 after he gave them the lead with 25 seconds left?
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
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Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
What a terrific and on-point post, imo..FMiC has been absolutely correct imv. Some here (do we really need to identify them?) would rather be right, than have us win and prove them wrong. Their mantras? “You guys can’t take objectivity. Instead you’d rather drink the Kook-Aid.”
All right then. Good solid way to start a Monday morning.
And brees better than Eli pff. Who has more rings?
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Good career? Wouldn't take him over Eli? Come on...
Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
Fans also know what happened under Eli. Two SB wins and 2 SB MVP's. So while there are a lot of great QB's in this Era, people always want to qualify it with Eli being pushed below some of the other QB's rather than just realize there were several accomplished QB's.
What I do know is that despite making the playoffs much more consistently than the Giants did, Eli will have more Lombardi's than several of his contemporaries who are considered much better.
I think retirement and the benching controversy have been kind to Manning’s legacy, and covered up a lot of the the frustrations many fans felt while he was playing.
Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
I’m sure Cowboys fans wouldn’t trade the Aikman years for the Manning years. Just like I wouldn’t trade Manning years for the Brees years.
At any rate, it’s a good barometer to know who’s a serious football fan. If someone thinks Brees had a good, not great career, I know to avoid a serious football conversation with them.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
I guess for me, I’m able to see that the Giants struggled moving off Eli. I think that is reasonable and not unique to the Giants. It’s hard to move off franchise legends.
I can separate that when looking at what the Giants are trying to build now because Eli is no longer in the building.
The Coughlin era Giants, especially in hindsight were really special. No losing seasons from '05 - '12, 5 playoffs births (and a 10-6 miss), and 2 rings.
For me it really puts into context this era.
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is absurd. So much that it feels more like exaggerating for effect.
Eli and Coughlin accomplished a great deal, and that is safe in Giants lore. Always will be.
Their legends only really grow each passing year though because the Franchise has lost its way and no one is confident when they will get back on track yet.
I guess for me, I’m able to see that the Giants struggled moving off Eli. I think that is reasonable and not unique to the Giants. It’s hard to move off franchise legends.
I can separate that when looking at what the Giants are trying to build now because Eli is no longer in the building.
No question they struggled moving off Eli, so the decision makers opted instead to not do so. With that decision came the ramifications of not taking a different path years ago. But nobody really knows if that path would have been a better one anyway.
The only thing we do know is they are way overdue of finding their way now. Path: Get better decision makers, make better decisions, get better players, win more games.
What are you talking about? Ernie was totally the man while the roster was better when Eli got there -- it was not really anything special after his 2nd year. Shockey was gone so was Tiki. Ernie had his pass rushers in place but eventually that gravy train and cap space would have to be dialed back.
Cruz came out of nowhere and they had to pay him and he went back to being an undrafted guy from umass. Hakeem nicks was a stud wideout and got hurt. But lets face it the '07 and '11 Giants were all Manning. For them to waste his peak years on perpetual rebuilds when just 30 years old and then to bench him for Daniel Jones. I mean really. Shurmur you don't bench him for Gino Smith but for Daniel jones. I guess they wanted to see what they had but, I don't think the giants did right by Eli at all. Strangely the onle one to say anything was Terry bradshaw. Even at the end with supposed Gettle rebuilding the team around Eli. It looked like he was just jettisoning veterans and making stupid high draft picks like #2 and #6 not really rebulding for a last run at all.
He suffered a career-altering injury.
Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
This is a bit off the original topic, but I wanted to add to this. I have been a critic of Eli; however, I absolutely agree he was better than Aikman.
Aikman is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Sure, Aikman had a great arm, was a good athlete, good leader, etc. But his stats were atrocious; and that has to mean something. I get that Dallas was a run first team, but they had a GREAT OL and great offensive weapons. Yet Aikman almost through the ball to the other team as much as he threw TDs.
If I need to win a game for my life, and the choices are Eli and Aikman, I'm taking Eli every single time.
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Cruz came out of nowhere and they had to pay him and he went back to being an undrafted guy from umass.
He suffered a career-altering injury.
Right I remember that now but, the point I was making was he was not like some high draft prospect with star name right from college.
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Rings aren’t the only factor for me. I think Manning had a better career and was a better quarterback than Aikman. Just like I think Drew Brees was a better quarterback and had a better career than Eli Manning.
This is a bit off the original topic, but I wanted to add to this. I have been a critic of Eli; however, I absolutely agree he was better than Aikman.
Aikman is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Sure, Aikman had a great arm, was a good athlete, good leader, etc. But his stats were atrocious; and that has to mean something. I get that Dallas was a run first team, but they had a GREAT OL and great offensive weapons. Yet Aikman almost through the ball to the other team as much as he threw TDs.
If I need to win a game for my life, and the choices are Eli and Aikman, I'm taking Eli every single time.
I don't even get the comparison. they were playing in different eras of the league. Aikman is a hall of famer and Eli threw a ton of picks too. But since I have asigned Eli helmet guess who I am going with?
Underscore the one lucky play.
Fail to mention New Orleans offense (under Brees) didn't put up their first posts of the game until the end of the third quarter.
SWOT.
A different story when the Giants stomped the Saints outside of their precious dome in 2012.
Guy is a great QB and 1st ballot HOF'er.
It's not really a personal thing with Brees but if you can't see where I'm coming from that they weren't a headache (pick one) in the last decade in a half, I don't know what to say.
Kind of an douchey vibe to them.
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Really strange. When the Giants were good, fans were really critical of the team and players. Now that they completely suck, the homerism has gone wild.
You’d think BBI was full of homers reading this, there is a large portion of posters here who are realists and some always negative. A lot of people here won’t even credit Judge or acknowledge any progress made in 2020.
And I agree fully, Eli wasn’t as good as Brees. I also feel more bullish with each passing year about how good Eli & Coughlin were. And if Eli wasn’t as good as Brees (which he wasn’t), what does it say about the Giants organization which built two Super Bowl winning teams around him. It’s been getting more common here to rip on the Giants for the last 30 years because of lack of consistent, playoff success. I feel the opposite, as each year passes and I see elite HC/QB combos fail to get that second title, I appreciate more what the Giants accomplished. People actually think the Giants wasted Eli’s career.
This is EXACTLY RIGHT.
Sean, didn't you start a thread on Eli and Coughlin deserving more credit last night, or am I misremembering that? What happened to it? Did it get shouted down by the shout everything down crew?
What a crock of shit.
Disingenuous. Different people to different degrees, but disingenuous none the less. That describes a lot of you. You hold the Giants to a different standard than other NFL teams are judged by, period. When Eli had winning records but not putting up the "stats" of his contemporaries. He wasn't good enough. Later in his career, he had the stats but the Giants were 6-10 for three seasons and it was laid at his feet, or even worse, all credited to Odell Beckham "bailing him out", or even more laughably, crediting it to Ben McAdoo becoming OC. NOW... Team record is a QB stat. How convenient. Bullshit. You can't even see your own bullshit. Or you do, and argue around it.
The new cry of the realists is "Well, we're tired of losing". NO SHIT! You think any red blooded Giants fan likes losing? Listen to yourself. As if you're the only one with a clear vision of how to fix this but if they don't listen to you then they've accepted the status quo of losing. I guarantee you losing is not acceptable to them.
But guess what, between 2005 and 2012, I guess the realists were "tired of winning", because they bitched and moaned through no losing seasons 7 years in a ROW, with playoff appearances 5/7 seasons (incluuding missing the playoffs at 10-6 one year), including playoff appearances in 4 strait seasons ('05-'08), and oh yeah, two Superbowl championships. You know what was that era of BBI's realist call to arms before "we're tired of losing"? It was: "Well, outside of the two Superbowls... (insert rip here, most popular targets being Eli and Coughlin for years)". Now we have some posters that will argue tooth and nail that Eli and Coughlin don't belong in the hall of fame, but you'll argue all day long that guys with less are a shoe in first ballot based on stats, even though it didn't translate to multiple championships. But hey, they blew it out of the water in the regular season. Yeah, they lost a lot in the playoffs, or didn't go all the way but once or less, but if you take away Eli and Coughlin's two Superbowl runs, they were 0-3 in the playoffs, right? They shouldn't get in based on "outliers". It's so hypocritical.
You're not a realist. You're a malcontent curmudgeon. And losing makes your playground bigger.
That's nice that some of you have found perspective on that era as a special one, a decade later. Just remember, some of us appreciated every minute of it WHILE it actually happened. But we were bunch of dumb homers, defending Eli, Coughlin, Gilbride. Even then we couldn't see the greatness we were missing out on that you guys saw us as lacking in between championships.
So please, spare me the "we're tired of losing" bullshit. Even the winning you crave wasn't enough for you then. That doesn't apply to all of you. Some of you have grown cynical with age, some have been hardened by losing, some of you I imagine were just kids during that era. Others disappeared once the winning seasons started, and only showed back up once the losing started again so who knows/cares what they think.
Some of you act surprised at the blowback you're getting on threads, after making this board literally miserable all season long (as if Covid wasn't fucking enough along with starting 1-7) about how everything was terrible, everything's going to be terrible, the Giants are shit, the Giants are never winning again as long as they have x/y/z, blah blah fucking blah... all the while moving from thread to thread shouting down any and every single thing deemed as positive, calling people homers and implying that people must LOVE losing and only you don't. Taking victory laps and beating your chests every week about how you are right and everybody else is wrong, all the while accusing other people of doing it which has possibly been the most ironic part of it all. Now you you can't understand why people are giving you blowback when teams you pumped up all season failed?
Whatever. Don't bother rounding up the crew for the shout down, I'll see myself out now.
My point stands though, Eli & Coughlin do not get enough recognition for winning TWO Super Bowl titles during their run. That was an enormous accomplishment and I just realize it more and more with each passing year.
I guess that olive branch offered a few weeks ago is officially broken. ;)
For awhile there while reading the post, I thought it was turning into a suicide note.
Came out of Jay Glazer's which is the next best thing.
They were good I guess but not really anything great
Meanwhile other teams of that time and other qb ‘s had way more interesting things going on.
I honesty have been walking memories of the teamir him. 0 wow factor and fell asleep during one of their mnf games otherwise don’t really remember them except they never seem to win SBs but always in the playoffs