Dallas trades Amari Cooper(age 26), Ezekiel Elliott(age 25) and two number ones for Watson.
Dallas then places the non exclusive tag on Prescott. Prescott can then shop around and with all the QB openings this year he will be able to get the deal he wants and Dallas will recoup their two number ones.
Or Dallas can do a sign and trade with Houston for Prescott, Elliott, and Cooper for Watson.
Dallas has 10 draft picks this year, including two 3rds, two 4ths, and two 5ths. With that draft capital they could start to restructure their roster.
Not enough IMHO. It would likely take Prescott, Zeke, and multiple #1’s for Dallas to have a shot because 10th overall isn’t getting a QB who can start as a rookie. Cooper really doesn’t move the needle because if they wanted to pay that price for a WR they would have kept Hopkins.
Go Terps one more chance to bash Jones. He can't do it with a Lamar thread right now since its the postseason and Lamar's limitations get exposed then so now we use Watson to do it.
As far as why he wants out he hasn't said anything directly so it is speculation. It started with O'Brien trading Hopkins and getting back David Johnson. It was also tied to O'Brien not getting the Oline right either. Then add in McNairs inmates running the asylum comment a few years back and now the wholly unqualified Jack Easterby having influence on the GM choice after Watson was told he would have input and you are where things are at right now.
Miami has picks and can throw in Tua, the Jets have picks and can throw in Darnold (that seems like a good option) and Jacksonville has the picks to make a splash. Jax will not be doing it. Watson in NY is an NFL marketing dream but if I am the Jets I don't mortgage everything for one guy.
Other out there possibilities, San Fran but they don't have the draft choices or top players to do it, Detroit, New England - but again what players do they have that they could move, philadelphia if Pedersen ends up there but Eagles strapped to Wentz's contract, Denver- Lock, Fant, 1st, 3rd and 1st next year (maybe), Arizona- Murray, and a pick or two and reunite Watson with Hopkins.
Gmen will not be involved and shouldn't be. Watson would strughle mightily as Gmen have no receivers now and would have less talent with picks gone and SB also gone.
CAP space that is close to winning. Miami, Jets, Jags and WFT all have CAP space. Jags are taking Lawrence, they do not need Watson. The Jets could take Wilson or Fields and save picks. WFT has plenty of CAP, picks 6th so HOU would have a shot at one of the QBs. Plus WFT has a pretty decent team.
Houston has about $21 mill in dead money with the trade. Which is big but with proper return I suppose is doable.
If you're the Jets with the 2nd pick do you trade it for a guy that is an established player with a big cap hit or go for a college guy that will be on a rookie contract so you can upgrade other parts of the team?
The last time a 25 year old STUD QB was being shopped around. I can’t recall this ever happening but maybe I’m wrong. If I’m the Giants, I’m putting together a robust package for Watson. Chances are we’ll be using next years 1st on a QB and maybe more if they need to move up in the draft to get one. Give the Texans 2 firsts, Barkley, and Jones. Wont need a QB for the next 8-10 years. If they don’t want Barkley, try 2 2nds.
Why would we do that when we can get Mahomes and Kelce for Jones? After all, Jones is on a rookie deal and he's the goods, going to be a perennial top-10 QB.
Anyone who has seen your posts this season knows your true intent by starting the thread was to basically create another anti-Jones discussion.
It is not even fun to watch you do it anymore. So predictable. It was funny at first.
Holy moly. The Texans absoeprb a $67mm - 67! —cap hit if they trade him. They will basically be non competitive next year. Watson is owed $35mm in base salary next season so it’s not like the acquiring team gets a bargain either.
The team to watch as a trade partner is the Colts. They can easily afford Watson, need a QB and he could go to a team that, with him at QB, will be a championship contender. This lines up perfectly.
Why would we do that when we can get Mahomes and Kelce for Jones? After all, Jones is on a rookie deal and he's the goods, going to be a perennial top-10 QB.
Anyone who has seen your posts this season knows your true intent by starting the thread was to basically create another anti-Jones discussion.
It is not even fun to watch you do it anymore. So predictable. It was funny at first.
This is a major story in the NFL. It will dominate the offseason.
A player of Watson’s stature trying to leverage a massive trade ala an NBA superstar. And he just might pull it off.
I'm probably wide of the mark, but New Orleans would be an interesting one. They have Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill to trade back.
If you're Houston, which would be the most enticing QB to recruit: Tua, Darnold or Winston?
The Saints are in the worst cap position of any team in the
I'm probably wide of the mark, but New Orleans would be an interesting one. They have Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill to trade back.
If you're Houston, which would be the most enticing QB to recruit: Tua, Darnold or Winston?
Winston is a free agent and Hill is over 30 years old. The answer to this questions is clearly Tua.
they can offer multiple 1sts including #3 plus Tua.
I could see Belichek going all in too but I don't think they have the draft ammo.
Miami wouldn't do that. They'll end up better with Tua and the multiple firsts anyway. The people thinking Tua isn't going to succeed, I find it waaay premature.
I agree with the notion that it is strange to think Miami is down on Tua.
There are at least 25 to 27 teams that would benefit from adding Watson. And Watson holds many of the cards.
I don't think we will be in on it but I think we should.
How about the Raiders? That is a significant upgrade to a team that is on the cusp of the playoffs. The Raiders play in a division with Mahomes and Herbert. If they don't upgrade that position they are going to be division bridesmaids for a decade.
RE: Have you guys taken a look at Watson’s contract?
Holy moly. The Texans absoeprb a $67mm - 67! —cap hit if they trade him. They will basically be non competitive next year. Watson is owed $35mm in base salary next season so it’s not like the acquiring team gets a bargain either.
The team to watch as a trade partner is the Colts. They can easily afford Watson, need a QB and he could go to a team that, with him at QB, will be a championship contender. This lines up perfectly.
Yeah you are basically buying a few high picks. Not sure who they can take back and fit, or if they'd even want to.
their cap w Covid lowering it and no idea what looms in the future . Bad enough the NBA has allowed players to reneg on valid contracts. Kid was paid a ransom and now thinks he should have last say in the GM and HC decisions. .
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
For the team that gets him, it's a favorable 5-year deal worth $146.5M (averaging 29.3M/year) with the first three years guaranteed at $82.5M ($27.5M/year). So it really comes down to need and assets to be sacrificed. The Giants fit into neither of those categories (I'm not convinced Jones is the answer, but that doesn't make QB a need, and the Giants don't have the trade capital to both acquire Watson and put talent around him for sustainable success).
In any case, I'm very curious to see how this unfolds. So may different possibilities, many of which aren't at all far fetched.
I will predict there will be no franchise tags used this year
It uses up to much cap space and most teams will struggle with the cap.
I could very easily see the Giants using the franchise tag on Williams if he's asking for outrageous money. They can absorb the $19.4M cap hit and still make a big move or two in free agency. It's not like Williams has all the leverage. And good for him if he has enough confidence to play another year on the tag. If he can duplicate the season he had in 2020, he will deserve every penny they give him in 2022.
I don't get it. Why does BBI assume Miami wants to move on from Tua?
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
It’s really hard to imagine a trade working for any
franchise QB in his prime. The cost is going to be prohibitive. You are paying a guy a ton of money then are going to kill your chances to add any young cost controlled talent. It’s the ultimate win the SB in the next two years are you are toast. Dolphins are pretty much only team in league that makes an iota of success and Flores comes from the BB way of doing things of consistent success leads to SBs.
their cap w Covid lowering it and no idea what looms in the future . Bad enough the NBA has allowed players to reneg on valid contracts. Kid was paid a ransom and now thinks he should have last say in the GM and HC decisions. .
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Seriously? He already has won a playoff game with a completely inept head coach and supporting staff on defense. The guy is a TOP QB in this league and is 25 years old. He has a winning pedigree and while it’s impossible to guarantee a super bowl, he will absolutely be a stud with the right team in the playoffs. Every team that is someone skeptical with their QB should be putting an offer together for him.
their cap w Covid lowering it and no idea what looms in the future . Bad enough the NBA has allowed players to reneg on valid contracts. Kid was paid a ransom and now thinks he should have last say in the GM and HC decisions. .
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
I don't get it. Why does BBI assume Miami wants to move on from Tua?
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
Tua never had a plus plus arm. What he has is insane accuracy. I don't think Miami treating him with kid gloves this season means very much. If it persists into next season then yes, I would think that's a problem.
their cap w Covid lowering it and no idea what looms in the future . Bad enough the NBA has allowed players to reneg on valid contracts. Kid was paid a ransom and now thinks he should have last say in the GM and HC decisions. .
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
Do you watch him? It sounds like, not much. He had a brilliant season. He was second to Rodgers in QB Rate. He's a fucking stud and there will be 20 teams wondering how they can get him because they know how good he is.
A season with no training camp, or preseason really, with Tua coming off a major injury as a rookie in the NFL, that's reason enough to keep things simple for him year 1. Doesn't mean they've lost faith after 9 games.
You have to trust your eval you made when you drafted him and allow him to grow. They have a unique opportunity with all their premium picks to set him up for success early.
But the Texans would need to make a tough decision to pay him a year in. Jones & Darnold are pretty much the same, it’s about the draft picks that would come with it.
It's still really early in their careers, but I don't agree with this. I don't think Jones is any world beater, but thus far I have seen more from him than Darnold. I do admit, however, to not liking Darnold before the draft and I may be blindly overrating Jones as a Giants fan.
But the Texans would need to make a tough decision to pay him a year in. Jones & Darnold are pretty much the same, it’s about the draft picks that would come with it.
It's still really early in their careers, but I don't agree with this. I don't think Jones is any world beater, but thus far I have seen more from him than Darnold. I do admit, however, to not liking Darnold before the draft and I may be blindly overrating Jones as a Giants fan.
well Darnold has an extra year of failure. That's what separates them, imo.
Having just signed the contract in the fall, the dead cap to the Texans on this kind of trade is both exorbitant and prohibitive. With cap dropping some $25m in 2021 it just doesn't make sense to offload Watson unless they get a ton of immediate draft value (think Ricky Williams trade) to offset the dead cap.
A trade partner needs 2 specific qualities: 1) Excessive cap space, 2) Win now mode. The Jets are not in win now mode. Neither are the Jags. For either team to give up multiple R1s would basically be to just rehash the quagmire the Texans are in. The teams that best fit the 2 criteria are the Colts and the Patriots. Miami and and Washington do not have the cap space to take on this contract and at the same time stay competitive without offloading a bunch of players.
2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022.
Not true in reality, because the $35M due in 2023 becomes guaranteed in March of 2022, so in practical terms, consider that money guaranteed, because something would have to seriously go wrong for him to be released after just one year.[/quote]
2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022.
Not true in reality, because the $35M due in 2023 becomes guaranteed in March of 2022, so in practical terms, consider that money guaranteed, because something would have to seriously go wrong for him to be released after just one year.
But that hasn’t happened yet, and while likely, it’s a leverage point in the acquiring team’s favor. Much of that money can be turned into a restructure bonus and put in his hands ASAP.
I don't get it. Why does BBI assume Miami wants to move on from Tua?
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
In his early games he was only throwing short. Very unambitious. Miami are close to competing for the play-offs, Flores has been doing a good job down there. Acquiring Watson would give them such a boost and the point is they arguably have the draft picks plus a young QB to make the trade. The Texans above all need a quarterback, but also draft picks.
For Flores, read Ron Rivera on Haskins a year ago. Rivera gave Haskins the mildest of endorsement.
As for the Jets, with the #2 pick they can run the rule over Fields and Wilson. Trading for Watson is going to hurt their rebuild.
Miami has a lot to think about because they also have the #3 pick this year. Which gives them great access to some very talented QBs. Maybe Fields, Wilson, Lance (I can't see MJones this high).
And, like you said, they have the draft capital to make a run at Watson if they don't want to deal with the unknown of a 2021 QB prospect or the uncertainty they may have around Tua.
Grier and Flores seem to know exactly what they want and have made some very good choices setting this team up for success.
So it's nice definitely nice to have choices. But they really need to get their QB solution right.
It’s going to take either someone that has a very high
pick this year and Houston is sold on the QB plus a couple more firsts and seconds, or four firsts plus. That’s probably the floor considering the Texans are on hook for money.
You can talk about Watson restructuring his contract favorably but that’s never happening unlesss he has some massive injuries. Way too much leverage.
to guarantee the quarterback they want in this draft.
Otherwise I could maybe see a team like the Rams packaging Goff + picks. McVay/Goff rumors are swirling.
Goff has warts for sure but he's a young, viable starting QB that the Texans new coach might want to work with.
Hard to find another team without the high draft pick that has a solid young starter on the block.
Miami has a lot to think about because they also have the #3 pick this year. Which gives them great access to some very talented QBs. Maybe Fields, Wilson, Lance (I can't see MJones this high).
And, like you said, they have the draft capital to make a run at Watson if they don't want to deal with the unknown of a 2021 QB prospect or the uncertainty they may have around Tua.
Grier and Flores seem to know exactly what they want and have made some very good choices setting this team up for success.
So it's nice definitely nice to have choices. But they really need to get their QB solution right.
Yup this is a make or break offseason for Miami, they are in an excellent position (as you point out) to nail their QB situation for years to come, and their options are many. I can't recall a team having more highly regarded young QBs to choose from including the one already on their roster.
A very simple restructure of the first three years, turning some salary and the roster bonus into a restructure bonus would leave:
21 - 10.5M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 18 Cap hit
22 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
23 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
24 - 32M/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
25 - 32M /salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
That's a plenty good deal for a very good QB who won't turn 30 until the last year of the contract.
Good job here.
BTW, I wonder if DW's team will do a state tax impact presentation to DW - assuming a trade can be pulled off - on the income reduction he'll take going to another team outside Texas. It could be rather significant...
^ I moved from New York City to Austin 13 months ago, and tax-wise I’d advise strongly against the inverse. Not paying city and state income tax, and literally everything being cheaper was startling.
But if Watson wants to be a Giant, I’m all for it!
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it's a dereliction of duty by Gettleman.
Watson is a great QB who is only 25. Daniel Jones is about to turn 24.
I would give up Jones, Barkley, and at least one first.
That ain't getting it done. If it did, run to the phone before Houston changes their minds.
Always start a bit low... ;)
Then go BAFO.
Seriously, what else would you add in?
Jones, Barkley, 2 firsts maybe gets it done. Given Gettleman's track record with first round picks I'm fine making that deal.
LMAO you've lost it, man. Get a hold of yourself.
Dallas then places the non exclusive tag on Prescott. Prescott can then shop around and with all the QB openings this year he will be able to get the deal he wants and Dallas will recoup their two number ones.
Or Dallas can do a sign and trade with Houston for Prescott, Elliott, and Cooper for Watson.
Dallas has 10 draft picks this year, including two 3rds, two 4ths, and two 5ths. With that draft capital they could start to restructure their roster.
Not enough IMHO. It would likely take Prescott, Zeke, and multiple #1’s for Dallas to have a shot because 10th overall isn’t getting a QB who can start as a rookie. Cooper really doesn’t move the needle because if they wanted to pay that price for a WR they would have kept Hopkins.
As far as why he wants out he hasn't said anything directly so it is speculation. It started with O'Brien trading Hopkins and getting back David Johnson. It was also tied to O'Brien not getting the Oline right either. Then add in McNairs inmates running the asylum comment a few years back and now the wholly unqualified Jack Easterby having influence on the GM choice after Watson was told he would have input and you are where things are at right now.
Miami has picks and can throw in Tua, the Jets have picks and can throw in Darnold (that seems like a good option) and Jacksonville has the picks to make a splash. Jax will not be doing it. Watson in NY is an NFL marketing dream but if I am the Jets I don't mortgage everything for one guy.
Other out there possibilities, San Fran but they don't have the draft choices or top players to do it, Detroit, New England - but again what players do they have that they could move, philadelphia if Pedersen ends up there but Eagles strapped to Wentz's contract, Denver- Lock, Fant, 1st, 3rd and 1st next year (maybe), Arizona- Murray, and a pick or two and reunite Watson with Hopkins.
Gmen will not be involved and shouldn't be. Watson would strughle mightily as Gmen have no receivers now and would have less talent with picks gone and SB also gone.
Houston has about $21 mill in dead money with the trade. Which is big but with proper return I suppose is doable.
Why would we do that when we can get Mahomes and Kelce for Jones? After all, Jones is on a rookie deal and he's the goods, going to be a perennial top-10 QB.
Anyone who has seen your posts this season knows your true intent by starting the thread was to basically create another anti-Jones discussion.
It is not even fun to watch you do it anymore. So predictable. It was funny at first.
The team to watch as a trade partner is the Colts. They can easily afford Watson, need a QB and he could go to a team that, with him at QB, will be a championship contender. This lines up perfectly.
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Why would we do that when we can get Mahomes and Kelce for Jones? After all, Jones is on a rookie deal and he's the goods, going to be a perennial top-10 QB.
Anyone who has seen your posts this season knows your true intent by starting the thread was to basically create another anti-Jones discussion.
It is not even fun to watch you do it anymore. So predictable. It was funny at first.
This is a major story in the NFL. It will dominate the offseason.
A player of Watson’s stature trying to leverage a massive trade ala an NBA superstar. And he just might pull it off.
Not sure why this isn’t post-worthy...
If you're Houston, which would be the most enticing QB to recruit: Tua, Darnold or Winston?
If you're Houston, which would be the most enticing QB to recruit: Tua, Darnold or Winston?
Winston is a free agent and Hill is over 30 years old. The answer to this questions is clearly Tua.
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they can offer multiple 1sts including #3 plus Tua.
I could see Belichek going all in too but I don't think they have the draft ammo.
Miami wouldn't do that. They'll end up better with Tua and the multiple firsts anyway. The people thinking Tua isn't going to succeed, I find it waaay premature.
I agree with the notion that it is strange to think Miami is down on Tua.
I don't think we will be in on it but I think we should.
How about the Raiders? That is a significant upgrade to a team that is on the cusp of the playoffs. The Raiders play in a division with Mahomes and Herbert. If they don't upgrade that position they are going to be division bridesmaids for a decade.
The team to watch as a trade partner is the Colts. They can easily afford Watson, need a QB and he could go to a team that, with him at QB, will be a championship contender. This lines up perfectly.
Yeah you are basically buying a few high picks. Not sure who they can take back and fit, or if they'd even want to.
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
In any case, I'm very curious to see how this unfolds. So may different possibilities, many of which aren't at all far fetched.
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Seriously? He already has won a playoff game with a completely inept head coach and supporting staff on defense. The guy is a TOP QB in this league and is 25 years old. He has a winning pedigree and while it’s impossible to guarantee a super bowl, he will absolutely be a stud with the right team in the playoffs. Every team that is someone skeptical with their QB should be putting an offer together for him.
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
The irony here is hilarious
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I don't get it. Why does BBI assume Miami wants to move on from Tua?
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
Tua never had a plus plus arm. What he has is insane accuracy. I don't think Miami treating him with kid gloves this season means very much. If it persists into next season then yes, I would think that's a problem.
. Jones may never get any better but calling Watson a star QB shows how diluted that phrase now is.
If your can't have '65% -70% completion rate on today's joke of an NFL you won't start any where for long.
He may become great but he's just another fan favorite who hasnt won
He might become Matt Stafford. Another "great" QB who couldn't win shit. Kid is never going to do anything in the NFL
Do you watch him? It sounds like, not much. He had a brilliant season. He was second to Rodgers in QB Rate. He's a fucking stud and there will be 20 teams wondering how they can get him because they know how good he is.
You have to trust your eval you made when you drafted him and allow him to grow. They have a unique opportunity with all their premium picks to set him up for success early.
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But the Texans would need to make a tough decision to pay him a year in. Jones & Darnold are pretty much the same, it’s about the draft picks that would come with it.
It's still really early in their careers, but I don't agree with this. I don't think Jones is any world beater, but thus far I have seen more from him than Darnold. I do admit, however, to not liking Darnold before the draft and I may be blindly overrating Jones as a Giants fan.
well Darnold has an extra year of failure. That's what separates them, imo.
U r persistent I’ll give you that.
I’m convinced DJ stole your lunch money in grade school.
A trade partner needs 2 specific qualities: 1) Excessive cap space, 2) Win now mode. The Jets are not in win now mode. Neither are the Jags. For either team to give up multiple R1s would basically be to just rehash the quagmire the Texans are in. The teams that best fit the 2 criteria are the Colts and the Patriots. Miami and and Washington do not have the cap space to take on this contract and at the same time stay competitive without offloading a bunch of players.
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There's nothing on the roster that shouldn't be considered.
U r persistent I’ll give you that.
I’m convinced DJ stole your lunch money in grade school.
No, he's just had a big hand in ruining several football Sundays.
1) Houston has paid and is responsible for the 27M signing bonus. Factor number one in a acquiring team's favor.
2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022. Factor number two in acquiring team's favor. The acquiring team would easily redo this deal.
If he were traded, this is the contract a team would acquire:
21 - $10.5M salary (GTD)
22 - $35M salary (GTD)
23 - $20M salary/$17M roster bonus (Neither GTD)
24 - $32M salary (Not GTD)
25 - $32 salary (Not GTD)
A very simple restructure of the first three years, turning some salary and the roster bonus into a restructure bonus would leave:
21 - 10.5M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 18 Cap hit
22 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
23 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
24 - 32M/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
25 - 32M /salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
That's a plenty good deal for a very good QB who won't turn 30 until the last year of the contract.
2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022.
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2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022.
Not true in reality, because the $35M due in 2023 becomes guaranteed in March of 2022, so in practical terms, consider that money guaranteed, because something would have to seriously go wrong for him to be released after just one year.
But that hasn’t happened yet, and while likely, it’s a leverage point in the acquiring team’s favor. Much of that money can be turned into a restructure bonus and put in his hands ASAP.
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I don't get it. Why does BBI assume Miami wants to move on from Tua?
I watched a piece with Greg Cosell and he broke down Tua's season. He said Miami really dumbed-down their offense to limit Tua's downfield throws and decisions. In effect, he said it looked like an offense for a back-up QB who has limited arm talent. And Cosell is not a guy looking to make news...
So I could see Miami not being sold on what they have seen in Tua and simply don't think he is the solution.
I know Flores is saying they believe in him. But that's right now...
In his early games he was only throwing short. Very unambitious. Miami are close to competing for the play-offs, Flores has been doing a good job down there. Acquiring Watson would give them such a boost and the point is they arguably have the draft picks plus a young QB to make the trade. The Texans above all need a quarterback, but also draft picks.
For Flores, read Ron Rivera on Haskins a year ago. Rivera gave Haskins the mildest of endorsement.
As for the Jets, with the #2 pick they can run the rule over Fields and Wilson. Trading for Watson is going to hurt their rebuild.
And, like you said, they have the draft capital to make a run at Watson if they don't want to deal with the unknown of a 2021 QB prospect or the uncertainty they may have around Tua.
Grier and Flores seem to know exactly what they want and have made some very good choices setting this team up for success.
So it's nice definitely nice to have choices. But they really need to get their QB solution right.
You can talk about Watson restructuring his contract favorably but that’s never happening unlesss he has some massive injuries. Way too much leverage.
Turns out he was full of shit all along. The arrogant genius act was just a mask for fanboy temper tantrums directed at the Giants.
Turns out he was full of shit all along. The arrogant genius act was just a mask for fanboy temper tantrums directed at the Giants.
Except he isn't high priced, dipshit.
Otherwise I could maybe see a team like the Rams packaging Goff + picks. McVay/Goff rumors are swirling.
Goff has warts for sure but he's a young, viable starting QB that the Texans new coach might want to work with.
Hard to find another team without the high draft pick that has a solid young starter on the block.
And, like you said, they have the draft capital to make a run at Watson if they don't want to deal with the unknown of a 2021 QB prospect or the uncertainty they may have around Tua.
Grier and Flores seem to know exactly what they want and have made some very good choices setting this team up for success.
So it's nice definitely nice to have choices. But they really need to get their QB solution right.
1) Houston has paid and is responsible for the 27M signing bonus. Factor number one in a acquiring team's favor.
2) The contract has no guaranteed money after 2022. Factor number two in acquiring team's favor. The acquiring team would easily redo this deal.
If he were traded, this is the contract a team would acquire:
21 - $10.5M salary (GTD)
22 - $35M salary (GTD)
23 - $20M salary/$17M roster bonus (Neither GTD)
24 - $32M salary (Not GTD)
25 - $32 salary (Not GTD)
A very simple restructure of the first three years, turning some salary and the roster bonus into a restructure bonus would leave:
21 - 10.5M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 18 Cap hit
22 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Both GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
23 - 17.25M salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 24.75M Cap hit
24 - 32M/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
25 - 32M /salary/7.5 bonus (Bonus GTD) - 39.5 Cap hit
That's a plenty good deal for a very good QB who won't turn 30 until the last year of the contract.
Good job here.
BTW, I wonder if DW's team will do a state tax impact presentation to DW - assuming a trade can be pulled off - on the income reduction he'll take going to another team outside Texas. It could be rather significant...
But if Watson wants to be a Giant, I’m all for it!