Keep the momentum going. Also, pumped that Nets Bucks is on TNT tonight. I want to see this new Nets team in action. I believe Irving is questionable tonight.
Keep the momentum going. Also, pumped that Nets Bucks is on TNT tonight. I want to see this new Nets team in action. I believe Irving is questionable tonight.
They will dominate most teams offensively, i want to see what happens when they go up against a team that will play physical and can score
I wanted them to keep Morris last year and re-sign him - thought he was a good vet leader to build with. Instead we turned him into the Clippers first rounder (Quickley) AND Detroit’s second rounder this year, which could easily be the first pick of the second round. We don’t get many things right, but that was a steal of a trade. Meanwhile Morris was awful after the trade and signed a big contract he won’t live up to.
He is mature and a hard worker and I can see him working hard enough to where he becomes a consistent good shooter. Plus he constantly is looking to take it to the hoop. That's something Frank and Knox still hasn't learned, and RJ is only a handful of games into his second season.
I wanted them to keep Morris last year and re-sign him - thought he was a good vet leader to build with. Instead we turned him into the Clippers first rounder (Quickley) AND Detroit’s second rounder this year, which could easily be the first pick of the second round. We don’t get many things right, but that was a steal of a trade. Meanwhile Morris was awful after the trade and signed a big contract he won’t live up to.
Haven't watched Knicks at all in years, short snips here and there. But BBI was so smitten with IQ I had to take a peek. His extended playing time in the Celts' blowout was a hoot: he is so quick, his shots from deep are all net (dunno his % that game 3s or 2s) and he likes to distribute, very smooth with the ball. Very, very likable, and it seems like he's having fun.
He is mature and a hard worker and I can see him working hard enough to where he becomes a consistent good shooter. Plus he constantly is looking to take it to the hoop. That's something Frank and Knox still hasn't learned, and RJ is only a handful of games into his second season.
Im sure he is a hard worker, but just how much better of a shooter can he become? Hes pretty bad now.
I also dont see him going hard to the net, he starts hesitating once he gets within 5 feet.
This about the worst shooting from two teams that I've ever seen
I wanted them to keep Morris last year and re-sign him - thought he was a good vet leader to build with. Instead we turned him into the Clippers first rounder (Quickley) AND Detroit’s second rounder this year, which could easily be the first pick of the second round. We don’t get many things right, but that was a steal of a trade. Meanwhile Morris was awful after the trade and signed a big contract he won’t live up to.
Haven't watched Knicks at all in years, short snips here and there. But BBI was so smitten with IQ I had to take a peek. His extended playing time in the Celts' blowout was a hoot: he is so quick, his shots from deep are all net (dunno his % that game 3s or 2s) and he likes to distribute, very smooth with the ball. Very, very likable, and it seems like he's having fun.
Off the court, he's very mature and professional as well. A real game-student.
Quickley might be the second best player on the team - no reason to bury him like that when he had it rolling in the second quarter. Play him with Payton for a stretch if you must - Rivers doesn’t need to be the sixth man every night.
Wasn't pretty but an early game on a back to back. I'll take it.
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
Wasn't pretty but an early game on a back to back. I'll take it.
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
Yeah, I think most fans would have taken 7-8 to start the season. Plus they probably would have won a couple more of those had Burks not been out. It will help a lot when he gets back.
Barrett good gsme so much better going downhill, good defense at the end
That was what I like to see from Barrett. Get to the hoop, better looks will come. When he goes strong guys usually have to foul him to stop him from scoring. I really wanna see him slashing much much more like at the end of the game today.
Wasn't pretty but an early game on a back to back. I'll take it.
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
I think aot of fans are made right now because they would rather tank, thats ehy people want to trade randle
gives you a chance at getting lucky, and pushes the opportunity to sign a max FA out another year. If you don't get lucky in the lottery you're screwed.
I think aot of fans are made right now because they would rather tank, thats ehy people want to trade randle
It's not clear Randle is part of the team's future — but the way he's playing now, he might be.
If Knicks fans should have learned anything, it's that tanking doesn't guarantee you the first pick or even the draft position you "earned." It's more important to draft well than to draft early. Quickley wasn't a lottery pick. Robinson was a 2nd-rounder. Knox and Frank, who were lottery picks, look like role players, though I still think they both have some upside.
Yeah, I'm not sweating the lottery too much anymore.
We have two firsts and Detroit's second rounder (likely pick #31), not to mention Charlotte's second rounder. Plenty of opportunities to find Quickleys and Robinsons, or trade up, or trade for a vet. We're in decent shape in terms of assets.
If Knicks fans should have learned anything, it's that tanking doesn't guarantee you the first pick or even the draft position you "earned." It's more important to draft well than to draft early. Quickley wasn't a lottery pick. Robinson was a 2nd-rounder. Knox and Frank, who were lottery picks, look like role players, though I still think they both have some upside.
Having a high pick is no guarantee, and you can find good players later in the draft. But you’re a lot more likely to find one early than late. And the overwhelming majority of the really great players, the guys you NEED to win a championship, we’re drafted within the first few picks.
If we make the playoffs it a great season and we got to witness winning basketball.
If we don't we are in a position for one of the deepest drafts in a while.
Either way, let's hope Dallas doesn't make the playoffs.
2 lottery picks this year would be a huge win.
news, kinda wild that Okongwu can't get off the bench for the Hawks. Capela is a good player but you're telling Okongwu, the top 10 pick, can't get 15 minutes of run?
but are other NBA games more fun to watch or you are more into other NBA games when the Kbicks are competitive?
I honestly hate the NBA and what its become. But I love basketball. I love playing pick up, figuring out my role (usually a pass first poinz who gets in good position for boards and plays good stop the ball D...so everybody likes playing with me, lol) learning off of other players' styles and adjusting on the fly, the camaraderie after a cpuple hours playing with strangers. The NBA of today takes all of that out of the game. Every good player is worried about themselves and their numbers. I miss the warrior mentality in the NBA. I miss that there were once guys that played the game selflessly and to fucking WIN.
But I guess I have to take what I can get, and this Knicks team is playing that way. I would love to see It takes quite a bit for me to watch another game bevause of that. It has to either be a really great match-up between teams that hate each other or a game where I really want someone to lose (basically LeBron, lol).
And a huge clutch defensive play causing that turnover followed by great job pushing the ball and finishing at the rim in the final minute. That's a winning basketball play. He's really becoming a solid all around player. Since the abysmal Charlotte game he's been good.
Quickley's floater game is so good. And he's got a great feel in the PnR. He's been really good. Compare him yesterday to Cole Anthony, picked way ahead of him. Oof. Quickley will be the starter soon, I think. It's painful to watch Payton but I do think that they're letting IQ grow into it.
After pouring in 22 points (on 9-for-19 shooting) and adding 10 rebounds and four assists against Orlando, he’s averaging 20.2 points and 7.5 rebounds his past four games, shooting 49 percent from the floor. His numbers are up across the board, and the one that really stands out is at the free-throw line. He was 4-for-4 Monday, upping his percentage to 75.3, and that’s way up from the 61.4 percent he shot a year ago.
Some are obsessed over his 3pt%. He's 20. He's doing just fine in year 2.
that RJB isn't a flashy athletic 2 who lights up the game like a posterizing Morant can, we will appreciate his game. He's a 3. He's more a tough scoring player than a flashy athletic, high flying type. He rebounds and defends. And he can dish. And if his 3% shooting ever comes around he's an elite scorer. As is he's pretty good already.
I just love watching the Knicks this season and for that I am grateful. Even during the losing streak I never felt like the season was slipping away to 60 loss (over 82) territory.
Need another PG as Payton is not a viable starter but I give him credit for playing OK ball most nights.
Thibs is a blessing. I don't care about subs and minutes and all that stuff, I appreicate him for getting every ounce out of these players. Don't fuck with him. Let him coach. Get him players. The Knicks will win. Simple as that.
It's gonna take more than a few decent games to prove that.
Thx captain obvious. He's still playing better in year 2 no matter what you and others might say.
And even if his shooting $ is about the same as last year, if you watch game after game you can see he's having a bigger impact on winning games this year over last year.
ill say it again, RJB is already a solid defender. That means a lot. More than his 3 ball % in my view. I'd rather have a SF that defends and does the little things than a guy that shoots 37% from 3 land and won't defend.
I am in no way saying we struck gold with RJB, what I am saying is anyone who says we struck coal is speaking prematurely.
ill say it again, RJB is already a solid defender. That means a lot. More than his 3 ball % in my view. I'd rather have a SF that defends and does the little things than a guy that shoots 37% from 3 land and won't defend.
I am in no way saying we struck gold with RJB, what I am saying is anyone who says we struck coal is speaking prematurely.
Cogent points. He also improved his FT% and his form looks good even though the 3 isn't falling for him just yet. A lot to like and maybe year 3 will be the year it all comes together.
He has a very nice stroke that he hasn't learned to control with any consistency--he short-arms it a lot. But, he is a gym rat, and will learn how to use the stroke consistently.
With his elite strength at that age, I cannot imagine that he won't learn to shoot the three at a very high level. If he does, his dashes to the basket will open up and he will be an near-elite scorer. Getting to the point where Quickly or a similar PG is starting will also open up his game in the key, considerably. The kid defends, rebounds, handles the ball, and will become a near-elite scorer. Nothing to complain about, except that he isn't as good as the two players picked before him. Contrast Knox's shooting at 21 from the way it was last year at 20. Why wouldn't Barrett get that good?
He has a very nice stroke that he hasn't learned to control with any consistency--he short-arms it a lot. But, he is a gym rat, and will learn how to use the stroke consistently.
With his elite strength at that age, I cannot imagine that he won't learn to shoot the three at a very high level. If he does, his dashes to the basket will open up and he will be an near-elite scorer. Getting to the point where Quickly or a similar PG is starting will also open up his game in the key, considerably. The kid defends, rebounds, handles the ball, and will become a near-elite scorer. Nothing to complain about, except that he isn't as good as the two players picked before him. Contrast Knox's shooting at 21 from the way it was last year at 20. Why wouldn't Barrett get that good?
you really "cannot imagine" he doesn't become a great shooter? There's taking a glass half full approach but this take is next level.
He doesn't need to be a great shooter to be a very good NBA player, just a credible 3pt shooter is enough. If he can do that, he'll command enough space where his ability to attack off the dribble and pass will make him a tough player to guard.
He's shown much better FT% so far this year so there's a trend in the right direction. I'm still very optimistic about him becoming an average 3pt shooter, too.
RJ becoming an all-star caliber player unless he develops an above average 3 pt shot. Aside from freaks like Dwayne Wade, pre-injury Derrick Rose and maybe a handful of others...the outside shot is key.
could become very good from midrange and average at the 3 point line, i think he is going to make a living in the midrange and at the rim..Hitting 1 or 2 3s a gmae
that 5 game losing streak, Knicks sitting 6th in the east. Not only in the playoff hunt but out of the play-in range.
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Burks is actually a pretty big addition to this line up as he is an excellent complementary scorer. He will also alleviate some of the heavy minutes put on the front line starters.
RJ becoming an all-star caliber player unless he develops an above average 3 pt shot. Aside from freaks like Dwayne Wade, pre-injury Derrick Rose and maybe a handful of others...the outside shot is key.
let's just see where RJB is down the road. He's playing better ball than he did last year. He was the reason why the Knicks won yesterday. One game under 500.
I don't even love his game or the player, but he can't even drink yet. He's doing just fine. If he wasn't better than last year I'd be a little nervous. Thibs is getting the most out of these kids, that's why I am encouraged.
RJ becoming an all-star caliber player unless he develops an above average 3 pt shot. Aside from freaks like Dwayne Wade, pre-injury Derrick Rose and maybe a handful of others...the outside shot is key.
that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
To me it's much more vital that RJB be a good defender. I am so done with these guys that score 18-20 and give up 21 pts a game.
there are encouraging signs that RJB will improve his 3pt shooting. For one thing, he's a hard worker. Two, his FT shooting and drives have improved, meaning, the guy has absorbed the new coaching he's receiving.
I mean guys, cmon, it's 12 fucking games. The kid was playing for a HC that should be a college ASST coach last year. He's 12 games in, playing better, and some of you can't wait to write the book on him. This isn't a sprint.
yeah i dont get why people are so eager to say this is him...
and that he will most likely not get any better. The focus is almost always on his negatives. But yeah most people are just still upset he isnt Zion or Morant. That said if we had Zion people would complain that he is an injury risk who relies solely on his athleticism and that his lack of a 3pt shot will be a problem.
that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
Yea that’s fair. Just want to see his D continue to improve and be a consistent mid range scorer, for now.
that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
Yea that’s fair. Just want to see his D continue to improve and be a consistent mid range scorer, for now.
To be fair, the last ELITE 3 that didnt have a three ball but fits your description was Pippen. For a few years he couldnt shoot from 3 at all. In fact he didnt start consistently start shooting over 30% from 3 until year 7....when he was 30 if my math is right.
Soooo the 3 point shooting small forward, while common now, never held much permanence.
and here's my almost weekly reminder we drafted 9th that year in part because guys like Courtney Lee, Beasley, and Jarret Jack just had to get big minutes.
Vucevic would eat Randle alive. Good game to get Taj in the mix.
They will dominate most teams offensively, i want to see what happens when they go up against a team that will play physical and can score
Its becaise Thibs hurt that refs feelings by yelling at him..
Officiating has been horrid all year
I thought so at first, but he very clearlyhooked the defender's arm while going up.
Randle not only looks like shit but decided not to get back on D that time.
Can we just move on from Payton? Rivers and Quickley can be our rotation
Im sure he is a hard worker, but just how much better of a shooter can he become? Hes pretty bad now.
I also dont see him going hard to the net, he starts hesitating once he gets within 5 feet.
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I wanted them to keep Morris last year and re-sign him - thought he was a good vet leader to build with. Instead we turned him into the Clippers first rounder (Quickley) AND Detroit’s second rounder this year, which could easily be the first pick of the second round. We don’t get many things right, but that was a steal of a trade. Meanwhile Morris was awful after the trade and signed a big contract he won’t live up to.
Haven't watched Knicks at all in years, short snips here and there. But BBI was so smitten with IQ I had to take a peek. His extended playing time in the Celts' blowout was a hoot: he is so quick, his shots from deep are all net (dunno his % that game 3s or 2s) and he likes to distribute, very smooth with the ball. Very, very likable, and it seems like he's having fun.
Off the court, he's very mature and professional as well. A real game-student.
Yeah, that was unwatchable.
I don't mind him giving Payton the 3rd if he expects to give Quickly most of the 4th.
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I don't mind him giving Payton the 3rd if he expects to give Quickly most of the 4th.
He needs to mix and match more, and i know it is early and he is still learning the team but they were struggling and needed a jolt
You got to mix and match, this is terrible
Barrett and Randle both with a double-double.
7-8 after 15 games. Well overachieving.
Tough west coast swing coming hopefully Burks is back.
Yeah, not pretty. But I'll take a win.
Randle in the postgame: "I couldn't throw a rock in the ocean today."
Two days off then three games in four days on the road - GS, Sacramento and Portland.
Randle bad shooting night but 21 and 18 1 assist 5 of 19..
Barrett good gsme so much better going downhill, good defense at the end
It wasn't his best game and ended with -13 in 15 minutes.
Shot 4 for 10
Peyton outplayed him today.
6 for 11 and a +20
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
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Wasn't pretty but an early game on a back to back. I'll take it.
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
Yeah, I think most fans would have taken 7-8 to start the season. Plus they probably would have won a couple more of those had Burks not been out. It will help a lot when he gets back.
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Barrett good gsme so much better going downhill, good defense at the end
That was what I like to see from Barrett. Get to the hoop, better looks will come. When he goes strong guys usually have to foul him to stop him from scoring. I really wanna see him slashing much much more like at the end of the game today.
Gutsy, ugly win.
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Wasn't pretty but an early game on a back to back. I'll take it.
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This was a little 90s-esque Knicks type win. Played really ugly at times, but solid defense and made just enough plays in the last 5 minutes to pull it out
Barrett has moments that make you want to throw the remote, but he also made big plays in this one.
This has been brought up before, but one of the biggest positive coaching effects so far this year is Mitch doesn't get into foul trouble anymore. Having him out there for his defense down the stretch was big.
7-8 after 15 games aint bad, for a team still short on talent like this squad. 2-0 this weekend was big.
I think aot of fans are made right now because they would rather tank, thats ehy people want to trade randle
If Knicks fans should have learned anything, it's that tanking doesn't guarantee you the first pick or even the draft position you "earned." It's more important to draft well than to draft early. Quickley wasn't a lottery pick. Robinson was a 2nd-rounder. Knox and Frank, who were lottery picks, look like role players, though I still think they both have some upside.
Pre-ACL Porzingod had a career high 38 in the second of the two wins.
The rest of the NYK starting five: THJ Jr, Kanter, 34 yo Jarrett Jack and 32 yo Courtney Lee.
Shocker that group didn't turn into anything.
If Knicks fans should have learned anything, it's that tanking doesn't guarantee you the first pick or even the draft position you "earned." It's more important to draft well than to draft early. Quickley wasn't a lottery pick. Robinson was a 2nd-rounder. Knox and Frank, who were lottery picks, look like role players, though I still think they both have some upside.
Having a high pick is no guarantee, and you can find good players later in the draft. But you’re a lot more likely to find one early than late. And the overwhelming majority of the really great players, the guys you NEED to win a championship, we’re drafted within the first few picks.
If we don't we are in a position for one of the deepest drafts in a while.
Either way, let's hope Dallas doesn't make the playoffs.
2 lottery picks this year would be a huge win.
100%. Partially because there are standings implications.
I joined a fairly competitive fantasy basketball league which also helps
I honestly hate the NBA and what its become. But I love basketball. I love playing pick up, figuring out my role (usually a pass first poinz who gets in good position for boards and plays good stop the ball D...so everybody likes playing with me, lol) learning off of other players' styles and adjusting on the fly, the camaraderie after a cpuple hours playing with strangers. The NBA of today takes all of that out of the game. Every good player is worried about themselves and their numbers. I miss the warrior mentality in the NBA. I miss that there were once guys that played the game selflessly and to fucking WIN.
But I guess I have to take what I can get, and this Knicks team is playing that way. I would love to see It takes quite a bit for me to watch another game bevause of that. It has to either be a really great match-up between teams that hate each other or a game where I really want someone to lose (basically LeBron, lol).
Was following the play-by-play and wondering about Luka being so quiet (4-10 in 34 minutes).
Comment on Mavs board is that the Raptors doubled-teamed him all night and dared rest of team to beat them 4 on 3.
Which they couldn't, evidently.
It's going to be "why trade youth for him when you can sign him in the offseason" pt. 2.
It's going to be "why trade youth for him when you can sign him in the offseason" pt. 2.
If there was a way to get him without giving up Rj i would, i dont think i would give up Rj tho
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It's going to be "why trade youth for him when you can sign him in the offseason" pt. 2.
If there was a way to get him without giving up Rj i would, i dont think i would give up Rj tho
Almost certainly wouldn't give up RJ either way, but especially without an extension first.
Knox, Frank, Burks or something like that. Rockets are going to lose him for nothing either way.
haha glad to see I'm not the only one that still enjoys watching him chuck and fail still
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Michigan Man! Hahahahaha
haha glad to see I'm not the only one that still enjoys watching him chuck and fail still
What a terrible decision that guy was....TWICE!
Quickley's floater game is so good. And he's got a great feel in the PnR. He's been really good. Compare him yesterday to Cole Anthony, picked way ahead of him. Oof. Quickley will be the starter soon, I think. It's painful to watch Payton but I do think that they're letting IQ grow into it.
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Some are obsessed over his 3pt%. He's 20. He's doing just fine in year 2.
I just love watching the Knicks this season and for that I am grateful. Even during the losing streak I never felt like the season was slipping away to 60 loss (over 82) territory.
Need another PG as Payton is not a viable starter but I give him credit for playing OK ball most nights.
Thibs is a blessing. I don't care about subs and minutes and all that stuff, I appreicate him for getting every ounce out of these players. Don't fuck with him. Let him coach. Get him players. The Knicks will win. Simple as that.
I'd rather watch a random Wizards Heat game in December than 49ers Seahawks Week 14 so...Haha.
Thx captain obvious. He's still playing better in year 2 no matter what you and others might say.
And even if his shooting $ is about the same as last year, if you watch game after game you can see he's having a bigger impact on winning games this year over last year.
Also, maybe this streak of his continues?
I am in no way saying we struck gold with RJB, what I am saying is anyone who says we struck coal is speaking prematurely.
I am in no way saying we struck gold with RJB, what I am saying is anyone who says we struck coal is speaking prematurely.
Cogent points. He also improved his FT% and his form looks good even though the 3 isn't falling for him just yet. A lot to like and maybe year 3 will be the year it all comes together.
With his elite strength at that age, I cannot imagine that he won't learn to shoot the three at a very high level. If he does, his dashes to the basket will open up and he will be an near-elite scorer. Getting to the point where Quickly or a similar PG is starting will also open up his game in the key, considerably. The kid defends, rebounds, handles the ball, and will become a near-elite scorer. Nothing to complain about, except that he isn't as good as the two players picked before him. Contrast Knox's shooting at 21 from the way it was last year at 20. Why wouldn't Barrett get that good?
With his elite strength at that age, I cannot imagine that he won't learn to shoot the three at a very high level. If he does, his dashes to the basket will open up and he will be an near-elite scorer. Getting to the point where Quickly or a similar PG is starting will also open up his game in the key, considerably. The kid defends, rebounds, handles the ball, and will become a near-elite scorer. Nothing to complain about, except that he isn't as good as the two players picked before him. Contrast Knox's shooting at 21 from the way it was last year at 20. Why wouldn't Barrett get that good?
you really "cannot imagine" he doesn't become a great shooter? There's taking a glass half full approach but this take is next level.
He's shown much better FT% so far this year so there's a trend in the right direction. I'm still very optimistic about him becoming an average 3pt shooter, too.
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that 5 game losing streak, Knicks sitting 6th in the east. Not only in the playoff hunt but out of the play-in range.
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Burks is actually a pretty big addition to this line up as he is an excellent complementary scorer. He will also alleviate some of the heavy minutes put on the front line starters.
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I don't even love his game or the player, but he can't even drink yet. He's doing just fine. If he wasn't better than last year I'd be a little nervous. Thibs is getting the most out of these kids, that's why I am encouraged.
Things are growing here finally.
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Butler still isnt a very good 3 point shooter
To me it's much more vital that RJB be a good defender. I am so done with these guys that score 18-20 and give up 21 pts a game.
I mean guys, cmon, it's 12 fucking games. The kid was playing for a HC that should be a college ASST coach last year. He's 12 games in, playing better, and some of you can't wait to write the book on him. This isn't a sprint.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
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that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
Yea that’s fair. Just want to see his D continue to improve and be a consistent mid range scorer, for now.
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that you have to be a good 3 pt shooter in order to be an elite player. The team needs 3 pt shooting yes, but not every player needs to be elite from outside the arch.
well it's not a theory that MOST elite wings are in fact good 3 pt shooters, it's kind of a fact. Of course there are exceptions...but not a lot. Maybe he becomes lethal from mid-range, but that's a lot easier said than done.
Yea that’s fair. Just want to see his D continue to improve and be a consistent mid range scorer, for now.
To be fair, the last ELITE 3 that didnt have a three ball but fits your description was Pippen. For a few years he couldnt shoot from 3 at all. In fact he didnt start consistently start shooting over 30% from 3 until year 7....when he was 30 if my math is right.
Soooo the 3 point shooting small forward, while common now, never held much permanence.
He won't be Pippen. But he doesn't have to be that great. Pippen was probably the best defending wing ever.
Jimmy Butler is a guy that comes to mind.
and here's my almost weekly reminder we drafted 9th that year in part because guys like Courtney Lee, Beasley, and Jarret Jack just had to get big minutes.