I just watched the replay a few times and I cant for the life of me see how he got a concussion on this play. It doesnt even look like his head got hit at all.
... not concussed. That's my theory. His head did not hit anything that I could see. But the arm wrapped around his neck seemed to bother him going down.
... not concussed. That's my theory. His head did not hit anything that I could see. But the arm wrapped around his neck seemed to bother him going down.
Except he was checked for a concussion and placed into the protocol
Said he believes it was more of a choke out than a concussion, and thinks he will pass protocol easily.
I don’t know about that, a solid minute after he could barely walk, the chiefs are 100% going to float stories that he’s fine until kickoff. Let the bills prep for both
or even a combination of the two. I'm not sure how much stock I put into him going into the concussion protocol - its a precaution and something all players have to do if a concussion is suspected. We will know soon enough, its not something they can hide.
His head hit the turf pretty hard. If you look at the slow motion replay, you can clearly see his head hitting the turf, and if you look at the replay in real time, you can get an idea of how forceful it was.
I've never seen someone get choked out for a dynamic event. What I mean by that is choking someone out takes a prolonged (I"m talking seconds not immediate like Mahomes) restriction of blood to the brain. This did not happen.
His head hit the turf pretty hard. If you look at the slow motion replay, you can clearly see his head hitting the turf, and if you look at the replay in real time, you can get an idea of how forceful it was.
Disagree.
It looks like the turf hit is going to happen, but putting the replay at slowest speed and freeze framing, there is always space between turf and helmet.
His head is being pulled awkwardly forward by the tackler, which prevents it from going all the way down to the turf.
The pull forward could have accelerated the brain into the skull when it "caught up." utube - ( New Window )
about how he was concussed, but I think that it’s obvious that he was concussed, and pretty severely. The notion that he was “choked out” is pretty ridiculous.
about how he was concussed, but I think that it’s obvious that he was concussed, and pretty severely. The notion that he was “choked out” is pretty ridiculous.
lol... who says, you?
He may or may not have a concussion from whiplash, who knows it's all speculation. As for the choking, you know that you can pass yourself out in a couple of seconds just by holding your fingers on your carotid arteries... right?
He may or may not have a concussion from whiplash, who knows it's all speculation. As for the choking, you know that you can pass yourself out in a couple of seconds just by holding your fingers on your carotid arteries... right?
But he clearly didn't have pressure applied to his neck for a few seconds.
I'm not a doctor, but this doctor on youtube explains it.....makes sense to me. Link - ( New Window )
Also, from the comment section of the video he address the chocking theory....
"For those saying he was choked out, first of all loss of consciousness from low blood flow would not cause fencing response. And second, the compression isn't long enough to cause LOC imo. Think of UFC fights. It takes a good 5+ seconds of a choke for a guy to go out. This was a second or two, maybe. Third, the angle of contact from the defenders arm is more straight down onto shoulder pads, not into the neck directly."
Said he believes it was more of a choke out than a concussion, and thinks he will pass protocol easily.
How does that explain his staggering as he tried to regain his feet?
Things are still a little woozy when you get choked out. There’s no way that happened though. That takes time to do it’s bullshit the Chiefs are trying to get out there so the perception isn’t bad when he’s cleared because he looked on another planet.
Said he believes it was more of a choke out than a concussion, and thinks he will pass protocol easily.
How does that explain his staggering as he tried to regain his feet?
Things are still a little woozy when you get choked out. There’s no way that happened though. That takes time to do it’s bullshit the Chiefs are trying to get out there so the perception isn’t bad when he’s cleared because he looked on another planet.
Glazer does the chiefs a solid and floats this story, in turn they feed him a real story in the future. I’ve never seen someone get choked out so quickly then have trouble walking 60 seconds later.
The crown of his helmet slammed into the turf at the same time his face mask got buried into the ball. That’s a ton of energy coming from both sides of the helmet.
...without even banging helmuts, but instead from the jarring act of propelling themselves into each other and the head snapping back abruptly. It's why some (myself included) favor doing away with the three point stance.
It is a misunderstanding that the head needs to be hit directly to be concussed. He does not appear to be hit on the head by the defender. His head, however, was slammed face first into the turf, which could have shifted his brain, slamming it into the skull. Additionally, a violent enough perfectly clean hit can cause the brain to slam hard enough into the skull. At the very least, its can jostle the brain enough to do minor damage. The cumulative impact of these hits can lessen the degree of violence required to cause a full concussion over time.
helmets do nothing to prevent what happens to the brain inside the skull, regardless of the nature of the hit. That goes for hits to the head and perfectly clean hits.
It is a misunderstanding that the head needs to be hit directly to be concussed. He does not appear to be hit on the head by the defender. His head, however, was slammed face first into the turf, which could have shifted his brain, slamming it into the skull. Additionally, a violent enough perfectly clean hit can cause the brain to slam hard enough into the skull. At the very least, its can jostle the brain enough to do minor damage. The cumulative impact of these hits can lessen the degree of violence required to cause a full concussion over time.
Matt, I agree w/most of what you say, but I don't think there is any concept of 'full concussion': TBI is TBI, whether minor or major. And, yes, the cumulative effect of a series of TBIs produces worse outcomes. Key to healing if time, esp. time between TBIs.
It is a misunderstanding that the head needs to be hit directly to be concussed. He does not appear to be hit on the head by the defender. His head, however, was slammed face first into the turf, which could have shifted his brain, slamming it into the skull. Additionally, a violent enough perfectly clean hit can cause the brain to slam hard enough into the skull. At the very least, its can jostle the brain enough to do minor damage. The cumulative impact of these hits can lessen the degree of violence required to cause a full concussion over time.
Matt, I agree w/most of what you say, but I don't think there is any concept of 'full concussion': TBI is TBI, whether minor or major. And, yes, the cumulative effect of a series of TBIs produces worse outcomes. Key to healing if time, esp. time between TBIs.
Good point. I would agree with that. I used that term more as a "layman" term to put it in perspective for many that really don't get concussions, but you are correct.
saw nothing that would cause a concussion. My original thought was his neck got torqued. But I did not see a head slam. There was certainly nothing wrong with the tackle except it seemed he was whipped around by the neck.
In this case, Mahomes head was pulled forward forcibly by the tackler.
Except he was checked for a concussion and placed into the protocol
In this case, Mahomes head was pulled forward forcibly by the tackler.
Most concussions are due to that, the neck is a pretty decent shock absorber but the brain has movement in the skull.
I don’t know about that, a solid minute after he could barely walk, the chiefs are 100% going to float stories that he’s fine until kickoff. Let the bills prep for both
But since Mahomes was placed into the concussion protocol, ultimately he'll have to be cleared by the independent test to play.
Disagree.
It looks like the turf hit is going to happen, but putting the replay at slowest speed and freeze framing, there is always space between turf and helmet.
His head is being pulled awkwardly forward by the tackler, which prevents it from going all the way down to the turf.
The pull forward could have accelerated the brain into the skull when it "caught up."
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lol... who says, you?
He may or may not have a concussion from whiplash, who knows it's all speculation. As for the choking, you know that you can pass yourself out in a couple of seconds just by holding your fingers on your carotid arteries... right?
But he clearly didn't have pressure applied to his neck for a few seconds.
Link - ( New Window )
Also, from the comment section of the video he address the chocking theory....
"For those saying he was choked out, first of all loss of consciousness from low blood flow would not cause fencing response. And second, the compression isn't long enough to cause LOC imo. Think of UFC fights. It takes a good 5+ seconds of a choke for a guy to go out. This was a second or two, maybe. Third, the angle of contact from the defenders arm is more straight down onto shoulder pads, not into the neck directly."
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Said he believes it was more of a choke out than a concussion, and thinks he will pass protocol easily.
How does that explain his staggering as he tried to regain his feet?
Things are still a little woozy when you get choked out. There’s no way that happened though. That takes time to do it’s bullshit the Chiefs are trying to get out there so the perception isn’t bad when he’s cleared because he looked on another planet.
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Said he believes it was more of a choke out than a concussion, and thinks he will pass protocol easily.
How does that explain his staggering as he tried to regain his feet?
Things are still a little woozy when you get choked out. There’s no way that happened though. That takes time to do it’s bullshit the Chiefs are trying to get out there so the perception isn’t bad when he’s cleared because he looked on another planet.
Glazer does the chiefs a solid and floats this story, in turn they feed him a real story in the future. I’ve never seen someone get choked out so quickly then have trouble walking 60 seconds later.
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Good point by poster Lurts about the face guard and the ball.
As the doctor points out, the helmet does not contact turf.
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It is a misunderstanding that the head needs to be hit directly to be concussed. He does not appear to be hit on the head by the defender. His head, however, was slammed face first into the turf, which could have shifted his brain, slamming it into the skull. Additionally, a violent enough perfectly clean hit can cause the brain to slam hard enough into the skull. At the very least, its can jostle the brain enough to do minor damage. The cumulative impact of these hits can lessen the degree of violence required to cause a full concussion over time.
Matt, I agree w/most of what you say, but I don't think there is any concept of 'full concussion': TBI is TBI, whether minor or major. And, yes, the cumulative effect of a series of TBIs produces worse outcomes. Key to healing if time, esp. time between TBIs.
Yet he was clearly out of it.