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| Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero · 19m The NFL just informed clubs the 2021 scouting combine officially is changing formats, per source. No in-person workouts (pro days on campus instead), all virtual interviews and psychological testing, limited in-person medical exams (likely in early April) ... a whole new world. |
Those teams that are in transition or that do not have established scouting will be at a disadvantage
But it's just a piece of the jigsaw puzzle. The interviews and medical are usually the most critical piece.
Bad job on my part..I assumed no senior bowl. It is scheduled for Jan 30.
Yeah. Giants are perennial draft losers. They never did it right a single time in 96 years... they stink really bad ...now that the combine is not virtual their double screwed. I heard their current GM doesnt even know how to turn on a computer.
Gettleman will have to use his last resource exclusively now.
Then they have the players and staff sign a waiver. I doubt this is the reason.
Then they have the players and staff sign a waiver. I doubt this is the reason.
Correct, The only benefit is meeting players in person, teams already have all the info they need. It mainly exists to make money for the NFL.
Yea....tell that to Dontari Poe, Montez Sweat, Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, John Ross, Chris Johnson, Taylor Lewan, DK Metcalf, Matt Jones, Rashan Gary, Mekhi Becton,and....Evan Engram.
Just for fantasy....guys have made their careers off of this event, some have flamed out, others have excelled but practically everybody I mentioned was drafted rd. 1, which guarantees them 5 years USUALLY and a few more from moving up in draft spot.
What a dumb comment.
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over rate the combine so much. I guess it's the fantasy dorks who are obsessed with numbers. 95 percent of the draft is done on film work.
Correct, The only benefit is meeting players in person, teams already have all the info they need. It mainly exists to make money for the NFL.
It exists to have medicals done once on players that all 32 teams get and minimize traveling on teams. That is the main purpose of it. It's a huge time saver.
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over rate the combine so much. I guess it's the fantasy dorks who are obsessed with numbers. 95 percent of the draft is done on film work.
Correct, The only benefit is meeting players in person, teams already have all the info they need. It mainly exists to make money for the NFL.
It exists to make money for the NFL?? That's not the key draw - although now that it has popularity on TV, there likely is some revenue coming in. Each team is spending thousands of dollars to spend personnel to Indy. Aside from the drills, there are seminars and venues for several groups to meet, such as the Athletic trainers. It is one of the only times everyone comes together and can network.
That's the main benefit. It is those legal - but more importantly illegal conversations that take place in the bars and hotels. I wonder how that might change this year. The tampering that happens behind the scenes will have to take a different form this year.
I don't know what the fallout of that it - but it will be interesting to see.
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Since they aren’t employees of the NFL yet. If someone gets sick maybe the NFL feels they will be liable in some way.
Then they have the players and staff sign a waiver. I doubt this is the reason.
I really don’t think a waiver would cut it. Lawyers find their way around them. We are talking about multimillion dollar careers. You
May be right, but I still think liability is a factor.
For teams that traditionally draft well, I have no doubts they’ll adapt. For those teams that don’t, like the NYG, it’ll be an even bigger challenge.
If there is an established system and some teams habitually come out on top, and then the system gets scrambled, the logical implication is that this may rearrange who does well, not that it will reinforce the usual outcome.
Sarcasm aside folks, I think that a big reason for the Giants' poor play is their METHOD for evaluating talent.
My basis for this: They have replaced the coaches and GMs who did the selecting. Since that has not dramatically improved the team's play, the only thing left to replace is the method for doing the selecting.
As for the combine, some of you may remember that I used to go to the Giants training camps in Albany and file training camp reports.
Although I have no more football expertise than the average fan, I can tell you from experience, that when you watch rookies side-by-side and in person, running the same routes on the same field, catching from the same QBs, blocking or defending against the same players, it is MUCH easier to compare them, than by watching them on film (or in my case, watching them on TV, or in highlight reels on the computer).
The combine is very useful because it provides that ability to do a side-by-side comparison (even if the players are in their underwear instead of in full pads.) So not having the combine is a significant loss.
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Since they aren’t employees of the NFL yet. If someone gets sick maybe the NFL feels they will be liable in some way.
Then they have the players and staff sign a waiver. I doubt this is the reason.
How many people that are support staff or as yet undrafted and unsigned NFL players going to buy into signing a waiver, Robbie? Already there were a fair number of top profile CFB players this year that opted out. Do you imagine most of them would sign waivers to participate in a combine?
Lastly, lets keep in mind that CFB and colleges in general had many more game cancellations and outbreaks of Covid than the NFL had. I doubt the NFL wanted to put on a grand centralized combine with a ton of player opt outs, cancellations, outbreaks, etc. I think they were afraid thevwhole thing would become an embarrassing super spreader of an event.
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For teams that traditionally draft well, I have no doubts they’ll adapt. For those teams that don’t, like the NYG, it’ll be an even bigger challenge. It puts a lot of pressure on a guy like Dave who needs to have a big offseason. I wish him well.
Bad job on my part..I assumed no senior bowl. It is scheduled for Jan 30.
The Giants have drafted pretty well since DG arrived.
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For teams that traditionally draft well, I have no doubts they’ll adapt. For those teams that don’t, like the NYG, it’ll be an even bigger challenge. It puts a lot of pressure on a guy like Dave who needs to have a big offseason. I wish him well.
Gettleman will have to use his last resource exclusively now.
Gettleman has always said he relies most on film - which is not affected as much (less games). I honestly don't know where some of you get your ideas on DG.
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In comment 15127248 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Since they aren’t employees of the NFL yet. If someone gets sick maybe the NFL feels they will be liable in some way.
Then they have the players and staff sign a waiver. I doubt this is the reason.
How many people that are support staff or as yet undrafted and unsigned NFL players going to buy into signing a waiver, Robbie? Already there were a fair number of top profile CFB players this year that opted out. Do you imagine most of them would sign waivers to participate in a combine?
Lastly, lets keep in mind that CFB and colleges in general had many more game cancellations and outbreaks of Covid than the NFL had. I doubt the NFL wanted to put on a grand centralized combine with a ton of player opt outs, cancellations, outbreaks, etc. I think they were afraid thevwhole thing would become an embarrassing super spreader of an event.
Your first paragraph doesn't make sense to me. If you want to participate in their combine you follow their rules and sign a waiver. I don't see what is wrong with that. But the only reason I brought it up was a counterpoint to someone saying the NFL would be held responsible. That is all.
As for your second paragraph ... yes, that is most likely the reason. They just don't want it spreading and becoming a nightmare scenario. The combine is always jam packed even when it is broken down by positional groups. The whole thing would change. Even being in the field and huddled up for drills would be unacceptable. No way would meetings happen in hotel rooms. I get why the NFL said no to it this year but I don't by the liability aspect of it as one.
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For teams that traditionally draft well, I have no doubts they’ll adapt. For those teams that don’t, like the NYG, it’ll be an even bigger challenge. It puts a lot of pressure on a guy like Dave who needs to have a big offseason. I wish him well.
Bad job on my part..I assumed no senior bowl. It is scheduled for Jan 30.
The Giants have drafted pretty well since DG arrived.
“Pretty well” is a stretch in my opinion. Barkley’s long term viability is a major question. Jones could be the long term answer at QB, but I’m not sold. Lawrence is solid. Slayton was a find. Hill becomes important in 2021 should Tomlinson walk. The rest? “OK” at best. Who is the guy he’s drafted in 3 years who you can say looks like a future standout at his position league wide? Any Pro Bowlers? Any All Pros? I don’t see any 3 years in other than the guy who might not be the same post injury.
I like the draft talk around the combine so it sucks that I won't get to see that. But they will figure out a different way to showcase the talent and there will be plenty of chatter leading up to the draft.