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Gregory Rousseau 2019 Season Highlights

Stan in LA : 1/18/2021 6:10 pm
Should be there at 11. He reminds me a bit of JPP.
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I’ve said it several times, he is pretty raw and not a ton of tape  
Ben in Tampa : 1/18/2021 6:33 pm : link
But a guy with his attributes is probably very enticing for this coaching staff.

A chance to mold a guy into an absolute game wrecker.

... but this team has a lot of issues, and using a 1st round pick on a developmental player may not be a luxury they can afford.
11 is way too high to draft him  
cosmicj : 1/18/2021 6:36 pm : link
He’s an incredibly difficult evaluation for the scouts.

Let me start with a basic question: what is Rousseau’s NFL position? I don’t think the answer is obvious.
Guy Looks Like an NFL Player  
OntheRoad : 1/18/2021 7:40 pm : link
260 now and could most likely play at 270. Can manhandle offensive linemen. Comparison to JPP was apt.
Mixed feelings  
Don Said : 1/18/2021 7:47 pm : link
He’s definitely one of the most interesting players in the draft.

A typical low floor, very high ceiling guy.

I don’t think we’ll draft him. But if we did, there aren’t many coaches you would want during his developmental rookie year than Graham.
I will saw this about JPP.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2021 7:49 pm : link
People always use the word raw but it means different things for different players. JPP wasn't raw in the typical sense. When people started saying he was raw I watched all I could of him. He had great hand placement. He played the run extremely well. He had great technique. He was a monster on chasing plays down the line of scrimmage. He was raw in 2 areas. One, he was raw in his pass rush moves. Two, he was raw in experience since he didn't play that much. So when people called JPP raw it had more to do with the fact he could be an NFL all pro type of player. In my opinion, his floor was a great run defender so not a bust meaning he has a high floor.

Some of these other prospects are raw for different reasons where they are boom or bust.
Say not saw  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2021 7:50 pm : link
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There will be a good player available with 11th pick  
Milton : 1/18/2021 8:01 pm : link
It very easily could be Rousseau and I would be happy with the selection. I would feel the same if it's Farley or Pitts. Great Blue North has those three prospects ranked 10, 11, and 12 on their board, so the Giants could be in position to land one of the three.
11 is actually a very good spot to be.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2021 8:06 pm : link
I am one that would always like to entertain a trade down but I feel if you go more than a couple of spots down there is a gap in the talent level. That is just my opinion. But I feel like we will be in a great spot come 11 and odds are it'll be a defensive player. I know most will argue we need offensive help and we definitely do. I'm just playing the odds. There are a couple of good corners, Parsons, and some edge players. In terms of O I see a handful of WRs and Pitts. Do we go OL again? I doubt it but it is still possible. It will be a fun spot to be at this draft especially with the thought that 3 QBs will go before our pick and possibly 4 if I am not mistaken.
If we draft Rousseau after letting Tomlinson go, Dexter Lawrence could  
Ira : 1/18/2021 8:12 pm : link
move over to nose tackle - his natural position.
I like his replacement, Jalen Phillips, better  
jeff57 : 1/18/2021 8:14 pm : link
Phillips is more polished, and has more experience playing standing up.
RE: I will saw this about JPP.  
RomanWH : 1/18/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15127313 robbieballs2003 said:
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People always use the word raw but it means different things for different players. JPP wasn't raw in the typical sense. When people started saying he was raw I watched all I could of him. He had great hand placement. He played the run extremely well. He had great technique. He was a monster on chasing plays down the line of scrimmage. He was raw in 2 areas. One, he was raw in his pass rush moves. Two, he was raw in experience since he didn't play that much. So when people called JPP raw it had more to do with the fact he could be an NFL all pro type of player. In my opinion, his floor was a great run defender so not a bust meaning he has a high floor.


Some might say perhaps not great.
Or too good  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2021 8:20 pm : link
Haha
From what I see he fits the Giants prototype build  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/18/2021 8:22 pm : link
For edge and he even succeeded at rushing inside. For a first year redshirt freshman that is extremely impressive. He jumps off the screen when you watch him.

Get the WR in FA. Take this kid if Parsons doesn't ultimately fall (unlikely).
RE: Mixed feelings  
chopperhatch : 1/18/2021 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15127310 Don Said said:
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He’s definitely one of the most interesting players in the draft.

A typical low floor, very high ceiling guy.

I don’t think we’ll draft him. But if we did, there aren’t many coaches you would want during his developmental rookie year than Graham.


It would be coach Chaos that is hands on with him....not Graham.
And yes I realize that Coach Chaos is his real name  
chopperhatch : 1/18/2021 8:31 pm : link
But I choose to call him Coach Chaos.

Coach Chaos.
^^^^ NOT his real name  
chopperhatch : 1/18/2021 8:32 pm : link
I suck at posting lately.
RE: I like his replacement, Jalen Phillips, better  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/18/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15127333 jeff57 said:
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Phillips is more polished, and has more experience playing standing up.


Better now and/or better long term?
I trust this coaching staff  
SleepyOwl : 1/18/2021 9:05 pm : link
To do their homework. He’s better than anything we have on the roster thats obvious... is he better than Kwity Paye or Zaven Collins? That’s what the GM and scouts get paid to evaluate... scouts in particular; it’s literally their only job; a ton of us do it on a daily basis for free.
RE: RE: I like his replacement, Jalen Phillips, better  
jeff57 : 1/18/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15127352 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15127333 jeff57 said:


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Phillips is more polished, and has more experience playing standing up.



Better now and/or better long term?

Both. And Phillips fits the Giants 3-4 better.
RE: 11 is way too high to draft him  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/18/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15127249 cosmicj said:
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He’s an incredibly difficult evaluation for the scouts.

Let me start with a basic question: what is Rousseau’s NFL position? I don’t think the answer is obvious.
There are players where that is a question because it's not obvious that they can play any pro position. And there are players where that is a question because they can play multiple pro positions. He looks like the latter not the former. His bend and hand "awareness" looks special. May take a year or two but he looks like a guy that could impact at multiple places.
RE: RE: 11 is way too high to draft him  
chopperhatch : 1/18/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15127371 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15127249 cosmicj said:


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He’s an incredibly difficult evaluation for the scouts.

Let me start with a basic question: what is Rousseau’s NFL position? I don’t think the answer is obvious.

There are players where that is a question because it's not obvious that they can play any pro position. And there are players where that is a question because they can play multiple pro positions. He looks like the latter not the former. His bend and hand "awareness" looks special. May take a year or two but he looks like a guy that could impact at multiple places.


Judging just from that highlight reel....holy shit, he is slippery and big. I didnt realize how stout he was at the PoA. He reminds me of a cross between JPP and Leonard Floyd.

Sucks there is no combine, but I could see Chaos molding him into a major beast.
RE: If we draft Rousseau after letting Tomlinson go, Dexter Lawrence could  
BelieveJJ : 1/19/2021 1:45 am : link
In comment 15127332 Ira said:
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move over to nose tackle - his natural position.


A lot of people covering the Giants on podcasts and what have you do not feel NT is Lawrence's "natural position" or the one he plays best. I tend to ageee with them comparing Lawrence's vs Tomlinson's play at NT.

We fall into pre-biased thinking about Dex and the nose because of his size, but he typically diesn't play with leverage like Dalvin does, and is not as proficient at two gapping IMO.

Just something to consider.
I'm a big fan.  
mittenedman : 1/19/2021 7:22 am : link
I see a mix of Chandler Jones and JPP. Elite closing speed. Can line up all over the place - played ER from a 2 pt. and 3 pt. stance, 3T and even NT on passing downs.

He's my favorite for pick #11. Anyone's guess if he's still there.
RE: I’ve said it several times, he is pretty raw and not a ton of tape  
Jesse B : 1/19/2021 7:38 am : link
In comment 15127242 Ben in Tampa said:
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But a guy with his attributes is probably very enticing for this coaching staff.

A chance to mold a guy into an absolute game wrecker.

... but this team has a lot of issues, and using a 1st round pick on a developmental player may not be a luxury they can afford.


two things:
contrary to media speak, They are all developmental players:


#2) Talent rich defensive line with little production at least have some history of developing into absolute Studs in the NFL

Ezekiel Ansah, Jason Pierre Paul, J.J. Watt, I think Joey Bosa had just okay numbers, and Aldon Smith are all guys off the top of my head who had pedestrian production in college and absolutely dominated for periods in the NFL


You never know who that guy will be, but it's not unprecedented to find great success with tools rich Defensive line in the NFL once these guys learn some technique.
Rousseau's highlights are a bit reminiscent  
BelieveJJ : 1/19/2021 7:48 am : link
of JPP'S. He has natural power and a great closing "spring" and long gumby like limbs. But he spends a lot of time on the ground there, for a highlights reel, and quite often it appears his sacks and TFLs were clean up plays after one of his teammates burst the dam...

If the choice came down to him or Surtain or Farley I don't have any idea how I'd hope the Giants would choose, all 3 are billed as impact defenders.

Not worried about Rousseau's position in a Pat Graham D. Call him "passing down front line defender" for all I care. PG would figure something out.

Would Rousseau be in the DL group under coach Spencer or the Edge group under whoever replaced Bielema?

Who replaced Bielema, any official notice of that? Bielema appeared to be a helluva coach for a position coach, really liked what he pulled out of his room of guys.
Zaven  
King Quis : 1/19/2021 8:04 am : link
Collins should be the pick. He’s a beast and will only be there because there won’t be a combine.
Keep in mind  
Professor Falken : 1/19/2021 8:19 am : link
that he was 19 in those highlights. By the time he plays another game, two years of strength, conditioning and technique work will be added to the mix.
Here's What Colin Lindsay...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/19/2021 8:29 am : link
from Great Blue North Draft Report thinks of Rousseau:

"So what about the pass rush? Would someone like Greg Rousseau be a good fit? When we made our Giants’ selection for that latest mock, the choice came down to Rousseau or Pitts. And Rousseau was tempting because it can be really difficult to find a quality edge rusher with the potential to post 10-12 sacks a year. Indeed, other than QB, DE maybe the hardest position to fill in the draft because again you need a really good player. Rousseau, who reminds one of former Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, certainly looks the part with the length teams are always looking for; he has long legs, long arms and is a long strider with excellent closing speed. However, what you see on tape is a guy who’s very raw and has a very limited arsenal of pass rush moves. In fact, its not clear he has any legit pass rush moves at all. Indeed, if one was asked which of this year’s elite prospects was most likely to fall, you’d have to point the first finger at Rousseau, although it is still hard to outright dismiss a 15.5 sack season like he had in 2019 with the Hurricanes."

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R. Weaver is going to be the best DE in this draft on the pro level  
MotownGIANTS : 1/19/2021 8:52 am : link
He has the best consistency of the WHOLE lot ...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4036076/rashad-weaver

We cant not afford a swing and miss on potential ... What we need in the draft is some teams to be in love with some of these boom-buts DEs so we can get a few players to fall ...
RE: Here's What Colin Lindsay...  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/19/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15127570 Jim in Tampa said:
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from Great Blue North Draft Report thinks of Rousseau:

"So what about the pass rush? Would someone like Greg Rousseau be a good fit? When we made our Giants’ selection for that latest mock, the choice came down to Rousseau or Pitts. And Rousseau was tempting because it can be really difficult to find a quality edge rusher with the potential to post 10-12 sacks a year. Indeed, other than QB, DE maybe the hardest position to fill in the draft because again you need a really good player. Rousseau, who reminds one of former Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul, certainly looks the part with the length teams are always looking for; he has long legs, long arms and is a long strider with excellent closing speed. However, what you see on tape is a guy who’s very raw and has a very limited arsenal of pass rush moves. In fact, its not clear he has any legit pass rush moves at all. Indeed, if one was asked which of this year’s elite prospects was most likely to fall, you’d have to point the first finger at Rousseau, although it is still hard to outright dismiss a 15.5 sack season like he had in 2019 with the Hurricanes." Colin - ( New Window )


I trust Jeremiah's report. To come in without much experience yet still get 15.5 sacks as a redhsirt freshman while also rushing from the inside is extremely impressive and is a strong indicator that the upside is massive.






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Local article from before his true freshman season  
shyster : 1/19/2021 9:19 am : link
He was getting sacks and dominating from the time he showed up at UM for his first spring practice as a 220 pound 3-star recruit.

His body has filled out quite a bit. Bulkier Leonard Floyd? Plausible at 11.



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If hes there  
SleepyOwl : 1/19/2021 10:00 am : link
at 11 you run up and make the pick. That simple. Sometimes we want to overthink and over analyze,,, this guy is 6 6 260 and is athletic beyond belief at that size. He is a superior athlete to Zaven and Kwity... able to rush from the inside-outside and contain the edge. Not to mention track down players from behind. He would instantly make the Giant's defense top 10. All the technique stuff; that's why you pay coaches.
When you're as freakishly  
mittenedman : 1/19/2021 10:07 am : link
long & athletic as Rousseau, you don't really need "moves". You just lean into the blocker, lock out, disengage and fly to the ball.

Like JPP. Or look at how Montez Sweat plays for the Skins.

That's why teams like to get guys like Rousseau isolated against G's on passing downs. G's tend to be shorter and stubbier, and the above lock & flow works well.
RE: If hes there  
BelieveJJ : 1/19/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15127653 SleepyOwl said:
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at 11 you run up and make the pick. That simple. Sometimes we want to overthink and over analyze,,, this guy is 6 6 260 and is athletic beyond belief at that size. He is a superior athlete to Zaven and Kwity... able to rush from the inside-outside and contain the edge. Not to mention track down players from behind. He would instantly make the Giant's defense top 10. All the technique stuff; that's why you pay coaches.


I guess I'll add him to my "Magnificent Seven" to make it a "Great Eight" list of players I'd be happy with at 11.

11 looks like a GREAT spot to be at for this draft, to me. Love the cheaper 5th year club option, too.
I think he'll be on the short list at #11  
JonC : 1/19/2021 10:13 am : link
but I do wonder if they will put more weight on a WR or CB.
RE: I'm a big fan.  
bw in dc : 1/19/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15127538 mittenedman said:
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I see a mix of Chandler Jones and JPP. Elite closing speed. Can line up all over the place - played ER from a 2 pt. and 3 pt. stance, 3T and even NT on passing downs.

He's my favorite for pick #11. Anyone's guess if he's still there.


Chandler Jones is a very interesting comp. I see that more than JPP.

When thinking about drafts now, we have to always think about the Jude philosophy - versatility. So a guy like Rousseau seems to fits the Judge prototype - can fill a variety of roles. I could see him standing up, down as a DE, and maybe even inside on some downs.
if he pans out  
ryanmkeane : 1/19/2021 11:16 am : link
he's probably an annual pro bowler, but i keep thinking that he's a low floor guy
Sleepy  
ryanmkeane : 1/19/2021 11:18 am : link
I agree his measurables are off the charts, but ya gotta figure out if the dude is a football player or not. For every Von Miller there's a Vernon Gholston
RE: Zaven  
jeff57 : 1/19/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15127556 King Quis said:
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Collins should be the pick. He’s a beast and will only be there because there won’t be a combine.


He certainly should be under serious consideration. Can line him outside and inside at LB. Can rush the passer and cover. At 6-4 260.
If Rousseau played this year  
Amtoft : 1/19/2021 11:47 am : link
He is being compared to Chase Young and a top 5 pick. If he is at 11 and Devonta Smith and Jamarr Chase are gone I am running to pick him.
RE: If Rousseau played this year  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/19/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15127836 Amtoft said:
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He is being compared to Chase Young and a top 5 pick. If he is at 11 and Devonta Smith and Jamarr Chase are gone I am running to pick him.


I agree. But do Waddle or Surtain muddle this argument?

This class is so loaded, I think NYG can get a very, very good WR in the second round. Lets see what FA bears out. If we end up with a playmaker WR in FA this changes the equation drastically.
RE: If Rousseau played this year  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/19/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15127836 Amtoft said:
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He is being compared to Chase Young and a top 5 pick. If he is at 11 and Devonta Smith and Jamarr Chase are gone I am running to pick him.


Assuming Parsons is gone too.
RE: I think he'll be on the short list at #11  
Thegratefulhead : 1/19/2021 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15127671 JonC said:
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but I do wonder if they will put more weight on a WR or CB.
I would be very tempted at 11. I think that he goes right around there. I think he is a better pass rusher than Leonard Floyd was and we were high on him.
RE: RE: I think he'll be on the short list at #11  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/19/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15127933 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15127671 JonC said:


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but I do wonder if they will put more weight on a WR or CB.

I would be very tempted at 11. I think that he goes right around there. I think he is a better pass rusher than Leonard Floyd was and we were high on him.


Great point on Floyd. This kid has a sturdier build than Floyd too.
Miami players do not get  
BigBlueCane : 1/19/2021 1:51 pm : link
great strength and Conditioning. inside or outside of the programing.

I don't think he fits the mold of a Judge-type player. He's definitely more of a Jerry Reese type.
My gut is that he's not on the short list.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/19/2021 1:55 pm : link
unless they trade back (ala Kiwanuka).

I think they will go CB or WR at 11.
I'd probably even take Pitts  
ryanmkeane : 1/19/2021 3:40 pm : link
over Rousseau if the WR targets are gone
RE: I'd probably even take Pitts  
jeff57 : 1/19/2021 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15128118 ryanmkeane said:
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over Rousseau if the WR targets are gone


Definitely.
He is a way better prospect then JPP  
AdamBrag : 1/19/2021 4:06 pm : link
He was completely dominant his first real year playing college football. Yes, he's raw, but he doesn't have much experience. He played WR in highschool until his senior year.

He'd be a great selection in the first.
RE: He is a way better prospect then JPP  
Judge_and_Jury : 1/19/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15128154 AdamBrag said:
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He was completely dominant his first real year playing college football. Yes, he's raw, but he doesn't have much experience. He played WR in highschool until his senior year.

He'd be a great selection in the first.


And exactly the type of build the Giants like with potential versatility to inside rush on pass downs. Graham likes to play multiple fronts especially on third down. This kid is oozing with potential.
One  
TommyWiseau : 1/19/2021 10:14 pm : link
thing I do know, there will be a damn good prospect or two available at 11 for us to pick. Everyone always want's to trade down but it may be too good to pass up. Someone will fall out of the top 10 with no combine and all of that
RE: Mixed feelings  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/21/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15127310 Don Said said:
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He’s definitely one of the most interesting players in the draft.

A typical low floor, very high ceiling guy.

I don’t think we’ll draft him. But if we did, there aren’t many coaches you would want during his developmental rookie year than Graham.

And Coach Chaos, assuming the Giants would view Rousseau as primarily a DE.
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