and comparable to Peterson. Type of guy I’m fine with being in the mix for the back-end of the rotarion. Mets will have a few years control of him too.
Jonathan Mayo
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#Pirates will be getting Endy Rodriguez from the #Mets in this now 3-team deal, with Lucchesi heading to NY. No. 14 on Mets list: https://atmlb.com/3oRReV3
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Rodriguez lost some time to a hamstring strain last year and it may have masked his real athleticism for a while during an otherwise stellar first summer in the states. This is a very athletic, switch-hitting catcher with advanced feel for contact, and a few of the sources we spoke with about Rodriguez were actually most excited about his defense. The movement, receiving, and catch-and-throw skills are fine, but Rodriguez has also seen time at first base and in the outfield, so he might be a very interesting, multi-positional player. We have him valued where we had Rafael Marchan and Gabriel Moreno at the same stage.
Jacob Resnick
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Endy Rodriguez was pretty close to being a top 10 prospect in the #Mets system after the Lindor trade. That’s an indictment on the system.
Was one of the few guy in the org who could play multiple positions though so his progress was worth following.
was completely fine but Lucchesi despite the k rate is what he is. A back end MLB SP. Nothing wrong with that, they needed depth. I wanted a better SP added (independent of the deal they made).
Ken Rosenthal
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Mets view LHP Joey Lucchesi as a depth starter, possible swing man between rotation and bullpen. Mets’ front five currently is deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson and Matz, with Lugo likely in bullpen.
Anthony DiComo
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I'm told the Mets intend to stretch out Joey Lucchesi as a rotation piece, which makes sense given his recent history as a successful starter (4.14 ERA, 9.3 K/9 over 56 starts from 2018-19) in San Diego.
Swing starter and bullpen option. Provides some elasticity to the staff with Lugo and depth insurance as a lefty for the rotation if Matz can’t hack it again and or Peterson struggles out of gate and before Syndergaard gets back too.
They need the rotation depth. One factor I like on him is he’s not even arbitration eligible until 2022. Could allow them Springer and stay under luxury tax w/o having to shed salary. They wouldn’t be able to do that with a free agent SP
pretty interesting they felt the need to trade for a cheap SP
also interesting that he was in the same division with Porter's former club. Great that he has options left just like Peterson. I was hoping to grab another team's "peterson" for either JDD or Rosario, so this seems even cheaper than that.
Hard to not be more excited about what this might say in terms of finances and what they may be preserving room for under the LTT...
Lucchesi has 2 options left and can pitch out of the pen which would seemingly give Matz an advantage in a rotation battle. However, Matz’s non-guaranteed deal could impact his making the team. #Mets
starter. If they are going to sign Springer, then another depth guy would be fine. Sign Hand, Springer, a utility IF and cheap SP option and we’ll be in good shape to start the season.
There was lots of excitement about Lucchesi after the 2018 season when he posted a 10.0 K/9 in 130 innings. While the strikeouts dropped to 163 in 2019, he was decent with a 4.18 ERA and 1.22 WHIP. Last season, he made just three appearances for a total of five innings.
He’s been a two-pitcher since joining the league with a sinker that doesn’t generate a ton of grounders (51% GB%) and an elite changeup (18% SwStr%). The sinker has lost about 1 mph since 2018 and got crushed last season.
Mostly likely he's just another Dillon Gee but you never know when you can get lucky and get a John Maine (pre-injury version). In 2018 right before he debuted Luchessi was pretty much a consensus top 10 prospect in SD's very strong system. Since debuting he has been a .500 pitcher with neutral numbers relative to league average, which I guess is solid all things considered. Not a great early career but not terrible. Logenhagen's full review right around his debut is linked below but here's a good excerpt on his stuff - sounds a lot like Niese:
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Lucchesi appeared within the honorable-mention section of our top-100 list as a 50 FV prospect. We considered him a No. 4 starter who was pretty likely to realize that outcome relatively soon. His stuff is generic. He sits 89-92, will touch 94, both of his breaking balls are average, and his changeup is slightly above.
What makes Lucchesi unique are his cartoonish on-mound mannerisms, many of which aid his effectiveness. He has a drop-and-drive delivery and extreme overhand arm slot, two opposing forces which create an odd initial look for hitters and cause Lucchesi’s fastball plane to be very flat, which is especially effective when he works up in the zone. Typically, pitchers with this sort of arm slot have a difficult time working east and west within the strike zone, but Lucchesi is athletic enough to maintain his delivery while making subtle variations. It allows him to do things like attack right-handed hitters in on the hands with his fastball. He also has a deep, downward-plunging stab as he loads his arm.
Also here's how Sickels ranked him back then:
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8) Joey Lucchesi, LHP, Grade B: Age 24, fourth round pick in 2016 from Southeast Missouri State University; posted 2.20 ERA with 148/33 K/BB in 139 innings between High-A and Double-A, just 102 hits; 90-94 fastball, sometimes a notch higher, with above-average curveball and change-up; throws strikes despite unconventional delivery, deceptive and confident; possible number three starter. ETA late 2018.
starter. If they are going to sign Springer, then another depth guy would be fine. Sign Hand, Springer, a utility IF and cheap SP option and we’ll be in good shape to start the season.
good luck staying under the luxury tax with that plan
What makes Lucchesi unique are his cartoonish on-mound mannerisms, many of which aid his effectiveness. He has a drop-and-drive delivery and extreme overhand arm slot, two opposing forces which create an odd initial look for hitters and cause Lucchesi’s fastball plane to be very flat, which is especially effective when he works up in the zone. Typically, pitchers with this sort of arm slot have a difficult time working east and west within the strike zone, but Lucchesi is athletic enough to maintain his delivery while making subtle variations. It allows him to do things like attack right-handed hitters in on the hands with his fastball. He also has a deep, downward-plunging stab as he loads his arm.
The flat-planed fastball works well in concert with the changeup, and both of Lucchesi’s breaking balls play up against lefties because of his delivery’s deception. In a vacuum, he’s a 45 fastball, 50 curve, 50 slider, 50 changeup guy with potential plus command. With the mechanical funk thrown in, though, everything plays up a half-grade or so. Fold into that Lucchesi’s ability to control the run game with a great pick-off move and timing variations from the stretch, and you’ve got a big-league ready, 24-year-old arm despite relatively little upper-level experience. I think he can compete at the big-league level right now.
226th best among curveballs by most recent stuff metric I’ve seen. looks like a mediocre curve by numbers alone, at 77 mph with less than average drop for a curve.
have heard he’s difficult to prep for, and the best prepping for him is to not worry about the pitch type names and just bang. I think it’s a unique pitch grouping and that’s worthwhile the first couple of times you see him.
Matz has a plus slider but can’t throw it consistently as a starter without causing his elbow to act up.
Mets tried to teach him to use tlhe curve as his breaking pitch. Didn’t work .
In general ligaments respond
Better with s little work more frequently than a lot of work on
One day,
IGuys often add velocity when
They switch to three pen. If Matz can throw his slider and throw his fastball at 97-98? He could be dominant in the pen
Mets seem to be depleting rather than building the farm system.
Rodriguez is far away and depending on what you think of his upside he is either 10-12 or 19-24 in a weak system. I have no problem doing that trade if we are getting a ML caliber Starting Pitcher who is cheap.
Matz has a plus slider but can’t throw it consistently as a starter without causing his elbow to act up.
Mets tried to teach him to use tlhe curve as his breaking pitch. Didn’t work .
In general ligaments respond
Better with s little work more frequently than a lot of work on
One day,
IGuys often add velocity when
They switch to three pen. If Matz can throw his slider and throw his fastball at 97-98? He could be dominant in the pen
I'd be shocked if Matz is in the BP. Don't see them spending 5 million for a "maybe" BP option when they can save over 4 million to release him if he doesn't make the rotation.
Still waiting on that, waiting to see if this is solid comp for Matz/Peterson or an overpay for a back end "meh" arm.
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Nice move as long as they didn’t give up too much
Still waiting on that, waiting to see if this is solid comp for Matz/Peterson or an overpay for a back end "meh" arm.
He is an upgrade over either of them IMO.
Jonathan Mayo
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#Pirates will be getting Endy Rodriguez from the #Mets in this now 3-team deal, with Lucchesi heading to NY. No. 14 on Mets list: https://atmlb.com/3oRReV3
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Joey Lucchesi's best season came in 2018 when he registered a 4.08 ERA, 4.31 FIP, 1.292 WHIP, 10.0 K/9 and 94 ERA+.
The southpaw's career ERA is 4.21. He only made three appearances (two starts) in 2020.
Jacob Resnick
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1m
Endy Rodriguez was pretty close to being a top 10 prospect in the #Mets system after the Lindor trade. That’s an indictment on the system.
Was one of the few guy in the org who could play multiple positions though so his progress was worth following.
Ken Rosenthal
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Mets view LHP Joey Lucchesi as a depth starter, possible swing man between rotation and bullpen. Mets’ front five currently is deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson and Matz, with Lugo likely in bullpen.
Anthony DiComo
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20s
I'm told the Mets intend to stretch out Joey Lucchesi as a rotation piece, which makes sense given his recent history as a successful starter (4.14 ERA, 9.3 K/9 over 56 starts from 2018-19) in San Diego.
Hard to not be more excited about what this might say in terms of finances and what they may be preserving room for under the LTT...
Hard not to like the move. He’s under control for a long time too. This was a big area of need given the lack of usable guys in AAA.
There was lots of excitement about Lucchesi after the 2018 season when he posted a 10.0 K/9 in 130 innings. While the strikeouts dropped to 163 in 2019, he was decent with a 4.18 ERA and 1.22 WHIP. Last season, he made just three appearances for a total of five innings.
He’s been a two-pitcher since joining the league with a sinker that doesn’t generate a ton of grounders (51% GB%) and an elite changeup (18% SwStr%). The sinker has lost about 1 mph since 2018 and got crushed last season.
What makes Lucchesi unique are his cartoonish on-mound mannerisms, many of which aid his effectiveness. He has a drop-and-drive delivery and extreme overhand arm slot, two opposing forces which create an odd initial look for hitters and cause Lucchesi’s fastball plane to be very flat, which is especially effective when he works up in the zone. Typically, pitchers with this sort of arm slot have a difficult time working east and west within the strike zone, but Lucchesi is athletic enough to maintain his delivery while making subtle variations. It allows him to do things like attack right-handed hitters in on the hands with his fastball. He also has a deep, downward-plunging stab as he loads his arm.
Also here's how Sickels ranked him back then:
What to Expect from the Padres’ Joey Lucchesi - ( New Window )
good luck staying under the luxury tax with that plan
Teheran is the focus for many (he stinks), Sanchez at 37 has been good more recently. Not excited about either but worth attending #Mets
What makes Lucchesi unique are his cartoonish on-mound mannerisms, many of which aid his effectiveness. He has a drop-and-drive delivery and extreme overhand arm slot, two opposing forces which create an odd initial look for hitters and cause Lucchesi’s fastball plane to be very flat, which is especially effective when he works up in the zone. Typically, pitchers with this sort of arm slot have a difficult time working east and west within the strike zone, but Lucchesi is athletic enough to maintain his delivery while making subtle variations. It allows him to do things like attack right-handed hitters in on the hands with his fastball. He also has a deep, downward-plunging stab as he loads his arm.
The flat-planed fastball works well in concert with the changeup, and both of Lucchesi’s breaking balls play up against lefties because of his delivery’s deception. In a vacuum, he’s a 45 fastball, 50 curve, 50 slider, 50 changeup guy with potential plus command. With the mechanical funk thrown in, though, everything plays up a half-grade or so. Fold into that Lucchesi’s ability to control the run game with a great pick-off move and timing variations from the stretch, and you’ve got a big-league ready, 24-year-old arm despite relatively little upper-level experience. I think he can compete at the big-league level right now.
have heard he’s difficult to prep for, and the best prepping for him is to not worry about the pitch type names and just bang. I think it’s a unique pitch grouping and that’s worthwhile the first couple of times you see him.
Mets tried to teach him to use tlhe curve as his breaking pitch. Didn’t work .
In general ligaments respond
Better with s little work more frequently than a lot of work on
One day,
IGuys often add velocity when
They switch to three pen. If Matz can throw his slider and throw his fastball at 97-98? He could be dominant in the pen
Rodriguez is far away and depending on what you think of his upside he is either 10-12 or 19-24 in a weak system. I have no problem doing that trade if we are getting a ML caliber Starting Pitcher who is cheap.
Mets tried to teach him to use tlhe curve as his breaking pitch. Didn’t work .
In general ligaments respond
Better with s little work more frequently than a lot of work on
One day,
IGuys often add velocity when
They switch to three pen. If Matz can throw his slider and throw his fastball at 97-98? He could be dominant in the pen
I'd be shocked if Matz is in the BP. Don't see them spending 5 million for a "maybe" BP option when they can save over 4 million to release him if he doesn't make the rotation.