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NFT: Mets New GM Porter sent naughty pics to reporter in 2016

BeckShepEli : 1/18/2021 11:10 pm
Per ESPN report.
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look  
Platos : 1/19/2021 1:33 pm : link
if she put him on blast years ago all this wouldn't of happened. He wouldn't of gotten an interview probably.

RE: RE: RE: Good grief  
BubbaMojo : 1/19/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15127995 Kyle in NY said:
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quit while you're behind


Waaay too late for that.



Seriously, I would have thought maybe a good night's sleep after last night's horror show of victim shaming and oversharing might have changed the mindset. But here we are, doubling down on a losing hand and blaming literally everybody but the scumbag who committed the act. Incredible.


+1. He’s clueless.
I really think it's hilarious  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 1:50 pm : link
that you guys think I care about your opinion of my opinion.
Also  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 1:55 pm : link
I'm not afraid to talk about anecdotes from my past. It's a personal story from almost 25 years ago. It's relevance is in the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior.

Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.

Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.

And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.
Do dick pics ever work with the ladies?  
Pete in MD : 1/19/2021 2:19 pm : link
I'm not super old but I've been in a relationship since the late '90s. We didn't do stuff like that back then, probably just for technological reasons. But did anyone ever send a dick pic to a woman and get a positive response? Maybe flowers are too cheesy but there has to be an in-between, right?
The irony  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2021 2:23 pm : link
Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.

And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
I mean.....look at it this way  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2021 2:32 pm : link
If he flashed her in person, he could be prosecuted for it. Why should this be treated so differently?

We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.
RE: Also  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2021 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15128032 allstarjim said:
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I'm not afraid to talk about anecdotes from my past. It's a personal story from almost 25 years ago. It's relevance is in the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior.

Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.

Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.

And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.


Porter has admitted it is true, and apologized for it.
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JonC : 1/19/2021 2:36 pm : link
Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.

No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
just sifted through so much stupid  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2021 2:36 pm : link
entertaining but sad. Was wondering why this thread had so much action.
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allstarjim : 1/19/2021 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15128057 JonC said:
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Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.

No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".


Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
RE: I mean.....look at it this way  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15128053 Greg from LI said:
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If he flashed her in person, he could be prosecuted for it. Why should this be treated so differently?

We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.


Because the former is a crime, the latter isn't. I actually agree with the rest of your post, though. No issue with any of that.
at the bare minimum what Porter did  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2021 2:43 pm : link
was unethical and definitively harassment. Bare minimum. Someone with judgement this poor shouldn't be responsible for running a sports organization.

"Harassment, under the laws of the United States, is defined as any repeated or continuing uninvited contact that serves no useful purpose beyond creating alarm, annoyance, or emotional distress."

Outrage of the outrage doesn't balance things out. There are certain cases where I'd take pause and think that "things have gone too far here" but this isn't one of them.
In other ESPN news  
JohnF : 1/19/2021 2:45 pm : link
At his press conference today announcing the firing of GM Porter, Mr. Steve Cohen also announced he is replacing all of the Mets front office cell phones with the following:



Per Mr. Cohen:

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"The Mets won their last championship using this phone, and we feel confident going forward Nokia, an established leader in their field."


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JonC : 1/19/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15128059 allstarjim said:
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Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.

No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".



Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.


Maybe you'll figure it out eventually.
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving  
Dang Man : 1/19/2021 2:54 pm : link
I hope it never ends.
This is a Hall of Fame...  
Chris in Philly : 1/19/2021 3:06 pm : link
thread right here.
RE: In other ESPN news  
Carson53 : 1/19/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15128069 JohnF said:
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At his press conference today announcing the firing of GM Porter, Mr. Steve Cohen also announced he is replacing all of the Mets front office cell phones with the following:



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"The Mets won their last championship using this phone, and we feel confident going forward Nokia, an established leader in their field."


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LOL.
RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15128089 Chris in Philly said:
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thread right here.


It's taken usual turns for sure.
Porter  
stretch234 : 1/19/2021 3:14 pm : link
How in 2016 did he think this was appropriate

How in 2016 did he not think this would be saved

I, as well as many parents, every day remind our kids not to send anything that they may regret later This guy was 36 at the time

If this came out 4 years ago he would have been gone then. You are in a high level position in a high level business that is extremely public
RE: The irony  
Amtoft : 1/19/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15128049 Kyle in NY said:
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Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.

And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.


Curious what the 17 year old would say about this. They always say there are 3 sides to the story, his side, her side, and the truth. She may not have seen things the same way you were seeing them and you didn't even realize it.
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mfsd : 1/19/2021 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15128095 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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thread right here.



It's taken usual turns for sure.


You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
Mentioned on the other thread  
mitch300 : 1/19/2021 4:24 pm : link
Supposedly she went to someone in the Cubs organization who did not want to get in the middle of it. I wonder ifTheo knew?
RE: Mentioned on the other thread  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15128181 mitch300 said:
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Supposedly she went to someone in the Cubs organization who did not want to get in the middle of it. I wonder ifTheo knew?


Theo was recently hired by MLB, could be a little bit ugly if they find out he knew.
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mitch300 : 1/19/2021 5:09 pm : link
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Supposedly she went to someone in the Cubs organization who did not want to get in the middle of it. I wonder ifTheo knew?



Theo was recently hired by MLB, could be a little bit ugly if they find out he knew.

Yeah, not a good look.
RE: RE: RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15128113 mfsd said:
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thread right here.



It's taken usual turns for sure.



You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill


I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."

Totally agree and I love my wife.
RE: The irony  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15128049 Kyle in NY said:
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Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.

And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.


Are you really giving me shit for 19 or 20 year old me for dating a 17 year old? That's pretty normal. She might've even been 18. LOL.
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allstarjim : 1/19/2021 5:22 pm : link
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Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.

No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".



Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.



Maybe you'll figure it out eventually.


I'm pretty sure I got it covered, I lived it. K thanks.
This thread is historic...  
BubbaMojo : 1/19/2021 5:57 pm : link
keep doubling down, and doubling down, and doubling down......

Really made the day enjoyable.
Quite the thread indeed.  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 6:05 pm : link
This is the poster child for the phrase "way too much information".

RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2021 6:09 pm : link
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It's taken usual turns for sure.



You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill



I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."

Totally agree and I love my wife.


lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.

That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:

people shitting on allstarjim  
Platos : 1/19/2021 6:17 pm : link
for dating a 17/18 year old when he was 19 is even more funny. the age means nothing in the story and it's not uncommon for people to be dating within that age range.
There's no excuse for what Porter did  
csb : 1/19/2021 6:50 pm : link
it was inappropriate and he should have been dismissed when it was released. What I don't understand is why it takes 5 years for the info to come out? Was he not important enough until now for these allegations to be raised?

I don't feel bad at all for Porter, but do think the timing here for him is unfortunate. Had he been 'outed' in 2016 he likely would have paid for his discretions and be back in the game, but now he's basically untouchable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 7:05 pm : link
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You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill



I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."

Totally agree and I love my wife.



lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.

That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:



For the most part I'm an open book. I thought it was important to give a mature woman's perspective. I communicated the conversation (that actually happened) accurately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
mfsd : 1/19/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15128251 allstarjim said:
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You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill



I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."

Totally agree and I love my wife.


All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.

Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a Hall of Fame...  
allstarjim : 1/19/2021 7:56 pm : link
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You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill



I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."

Totally agree and I love my wife.



All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.

Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.


The one thing I will say is I think I agree with most of the posters in this thread is that I don't think Porter is absolved of anything. I actually believe that Cohen made the right call (upon reflection). It's the right move for the termination. I was hopeful that he would have a second chance but it probably is the right move for him to get than second chance elsewhere. I agree with Cohen's statement he made. I don't absolve Porter. I've made that clear several times. What I disagree on is that she's a 100% an innocent victim in all this because she, for a time, was a participant in the back and forth. He sent a picture of his bulge, she said she liked it and asked if he was married. I don't know how anyone would think that's not a green light in the same situation. I've condemned his actions, especially the cock shot, and of course the 60 texts with no response is creepy and weird. But I also think there are two victims in this situation who both have some responsibility. We all agree Porter made his bed he's laying in. But sitting on it this long, and the fact that she could have just told him to stop much earlier rather than encouraging him, and the fact that he did stop and apologized once she did ask him to...I don't think that should be a death sentence for his career. It's an ugly mistake, but to me it's a really socially inept attempt at (a single man) wooing a woman into bed.

And that (very generally, not sending an unsolicited pic of your penis) to me is something that a lot of men have experienced without much blowback except for the immediate embarrassment. If you really feel women are powerful, intelligent beings with their own agency, how can you reconcile her actions (and inaction) as irrelevant? Certainly, a difference of cultural norms seems to be in part at play here, but that's a two-way street, and some extension of sympathy could be directed to Porter for his ignorance of those cultural differences. Remember, at this time, he wasn't at the lofty position of GM. And finally, none of that is stopping her 4.5 years later from dragging him and costing him his job.

There it is. That's my final post on this thread, and I appreciate those that took my words and my personal story at face value and that did not attempt to exaggerate my position on what he did, because I did repudiate his behavior from the beginning.
RE: RE: A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight  
BelieveJJ : 1/19/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15127837 allstarjim said:
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I was talking about the legal definition of harassment. Harassment is continuing behavior after the person has communicated that it is unwanted. No communication is certainly understood by many of us what that means, but from a legal standpoint, in my layman understanding, the person has to actually say something or have it communicated the behavior is unwanted for it to be harassment. The thing most of you don't get is that I agree with almost all of your opinions on him...it WAS pathetic. He DEFINITELY should have realized that she wasn't in to him well before 60 texts. And, an unsolicited dick pick is wrong and unprofessional.

We see eye to eye on all that.

What we don't see eye to eye on is this: If I'm a woman who has received a picture of a dude who sends me a pic of his bulge, and I say I like it and want to see more, and ask about his marital status...and then the guy continues, even if it's cringey, then I tell him to stop and he apologizes and stops, then I hang on to the texts and wait four and a half years and ANONYMOUSLY destroy his life over these texts, I'm the worst bitch in the world. She gets to sit back and enjoy anonymity while his world burns down. And Passan and Kimes are terrible humans.

Some of you need to understand that the "revolution" or whatever the fuck should mean treating women as equals, but that doesn't mean subserviant, and it doesn't mean women are absolved from their responsibility and behavior also.

BTW, I also understood Cohen's answer, and it was a good one, even though I don't agree with his decision. To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.


Thank you for clarifying your position Jim.

Some of it I understand, but don't agree with. Certainly a 4 year window of a statute of limitations on abusive behavior is crazily too short, and if you consider many classical forms of abuse - child abuse, predatory sexual abuse...

What Porter did was abuse. It's black and white IMO, and as others noted, those were the actions of a fully adult male, not a teenager lost in lust. No can do a "statute of limitations" on those actions IMHO.
RE: people shitting on allstarjim  
kes722 : 1/20/2021 12:20 am : link
In comment 15128314 Platos said:
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for dating a 17/18 year old when he was 19 is even more funny. the age means nothing in the story and it's not uncommon for people to be dating within that age range.


Its stupid. I met my wife when I was 20 and she was 17. I went to her prom.

20y and 2 kids later we are still going strong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Shouldn’t need 60+  
ColHowPepper : 1/20/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15127627 Kyle_ said:
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Yes, thinking dick pics are appropriate is akin to falling victim to the Reign of Terror's fourth wave.

You've got a 3:15 on January 22nd at your town square, please be sure to shave the back of your neck.
Kyle, lol. Truly a BBI classic, h/t Jon in NYC
RE: look  
Vanzetti : 1/21/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15127999 Platos said:
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if she put him on blast years ago all this wouldn't of happened. He wouldn't of gotten an interview probably.


You are assuming her main goal was to bring an harasser to
Justice.

That would be noble but most humans are motivated by self. Interest. That’s why people are speculating about why this story broke now, 4-5 years after it occurred
RE: ESPN held  
djm : 1/21/2021 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15127927 pjcas18 said:
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the story not the reporter, and IMO, it was not out of concern for the reporter and her career as they say, but out of the expectation that Porter would some day ascend beyond the smaller role he had and make the story more impactful. IOW to get more clicks and eyeballs.

Even now, the way the story is released it doesn't reveal the reporter's identity or any characteristics about her beyond that she's not American. So today, when in theory the story "can't her career" because she's no longer n journalism they still don't reveal any personally identifiable characteristics of the woman.

Anything else ESPN claims is disingenuous IMO.


Exactly
The thing that strikes me about ESPN  
Bill L : 1/21/2021 3:56 pm : link
is that I hear them all talking about Porter and it's great that he was fired and all that...which I totally get. It sounds sick.

But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
RE: The thing that strikes me about ESPN  
Platos : 1/21/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15130135 Bill L said:
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is that I hear them all talking about Porter and it's great that he was fired and all that...which I totally get. It sounds sick.

But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.


THIS! the same network who thought it was ok to lurk around before ruining some guys life at the most opportune moment for sending a dick pic VS. constantly crying systemic racism because someone (with a record of physical abuse on a woman) they think should be getting a job, doesn't (yet).
If I missed this. I am sorry....  
Drewcon40 : 1/21/2021 4:35 pm : link
...if this was discussed. I did a quick scroll.

I am also not sure if this thread is where to ask this but did Passan know about this when Porter was hired? I read that there was some back and forth between Passan and Craig Carton. I know that Passan or ESPN needed the victim's approval but did Passan know at the time of hire?

Passan Tweet from hire

The Mets are responsible for their own background checks. However, I am not talking legally but do you guys think if someone knew of this, they should have contacted the Mets? Would that be a violation of the anonymity. I have been reading a lot of reactions and I think many take the position that this young woman had to leave her profession and fear shame while Porter was able to continue his career. No one owes the Mets anything but from all I have read at Porter's hire was what a great hire and good baseball man he is. Waiting over a month seems odd and I find it strange that there was no one inside baseball that could contact the Mets (or Diamondbacks when he worked for them).

Some of you guys are better at knowing the legalities and maybe this was the only way. What Porter did was wrong and the Mets did the right thing, but having the Mets announce the hire - a year after they had to rescind the Beltran hire could have been avoided. I also understand the real issue is this woman's safety and not the Mets front office. Did ESPN or the woman want Porter to be hired so this got the attention desired?
ESPN  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2021 4:41 pm : link
absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.

Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.

A GM or greater does.

And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient

If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
RE: The thing that strikes me about ESPN  
christian : 1/21/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15130135 Bill L said:
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But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.


Aren’t Bieniemy’s issues mostly about traffic offenses and a fight he got into 20 years ago?
RE: ESPN  
Drewcon40 : 1/21/2021 4:48 pm : link
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absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.

Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.

A GM or greater does.

And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient

If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.


Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".

RE: RE: ESPN  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2021 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15130183 Drewcon40 said:
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absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.

Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.

A GM or greater does.

And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient

If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.



Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".


I agree, I doubt anyone with MLB knew, they'd probably have said something, especially with Theo now in a role with MLB and this I think happening when he was with the Cubs. I don't see any way this is good for MLB.

And I hate how people are trying to pin this on the Mets.

They conducted a traditional and acceptable background check, it's not like this guy is interviewing for a job with homeland or the CIA. And then the grandstanding women in the media with 2020 hind sight "did you interview any women before hiring him?"

If he worked with women maybe that would have made sense, but otherwise you interview the colleagues, bosses, and direct reports, etc. the person has. And who knows maybe this is the only woman he sent dick picks to, would that satisfy them if the Mets had interviewed a woman who said good things?

Porter deserves what he got, but the Mets are not culpable here any more than they were for the Beltran hiring. In fact probably less than the Beltran hiring.
RE: RE: The thing that strikes me about ESPN  
Bill L : 1/21/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15130177 christian said:
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In comment 15130135 Bill L said:


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But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.



Aren’t Bieniemy’s issues mostly about traffic offenses and a fight he got into 20 years ago?

I think that there’s something abuse, assault on a (female) parking lot attendant and participation in a coverup about systemic rape at UC.

Someone who follows him more closely can speak to veracity but suffice it to say that there is a *lot* of baggage that includes allegations of mistreatment of women.
Something abuse  
Bill L : 1/21/2021 5:34 pm : link
Should have been domestic abuse.
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