ESPN had the story years ago but declined to run at request of the woman, who was worried it would hurt her career. She is no longer a journalist and I guess decided to allow ESPN to run it now, if they keep her name out of it. All this per ESPN.
Guy clearly made a mistake, but if you read that article, she 100% led him on in the beginning.
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The woman met Porter in an elevator at Yankee Stadium on June 26, 2016. She said they talked briefly - the only time they ever spoke, she told ESPN - about international baseball prospects and exchanged business cards.
Porter began texting her the afternoon they met and, before the day was over, had asked her three times to get a drink. The woman said she agreed to meet Porter because she thought he was volunteering himself as a source and expected they would discuss baseball. Porter asked in a text if she had a boyfriend; the woman said that at the time, she believed he was simply being friendly, as she did not think someone she barely knew would be so forward.YEAH RIGHT, I'M SURE. That night, after she said she couldn't meet with him but would the next day, Porter sent an unsolicited selfie.
"Like?" he asked.
She did not respond.
"If I had a better understanding - not just of the language, but the culture - I definitely would've realized sooner what was going on," the woman told ESPN. OMFG
Porter texted again the next day, according to the messages, and attempts by both to set up a meeting fell through. On July 19, 2016, he reached out to her again, inquiring as to her whereabouts and asking: "Why aren't we hanging out??" Porter asked whether the woman remembered what he looked like and said: "You're so pretty. Do you have a boyfriend yet?" He sent a selfie and said: "It can be me!"
The woman responded with text shorthand indicating laughter and added: "let's meet." Porter asked her for a picture. In her home country, the woman told ESPN, "it's very common for friends of the opposite sex to send each other photos. I didn't think much of it."GTFO
After she sent a selfie, Porter responded: "You're gorgeous. Want more of me?"
She said yes, explaining to ESPN: "I thought it would be awkward to say no. I didn't think of where it would progress."
You know what he's guilty of? Chasing too hard and not having any game or sense whatsoever. She didn't tell him no, to stop, and instead led him on, and when she did, he said he was sorry and stopped. FFS. And then she has the fucking balls 4 years later to try to fuck up his life while she gets to enjoy anonymity. I hope he outs her, she's a cold bitch.
And yeah, I fully expect you white knights to defend her, and that's bullshit. Some of these girls want the attention, but as soon as they decide they don't want the attention anymore, instead of putting on their big girl panties and just telling a dude she's not interested, will fuck him over without giving him a second thought.
I know, he sent her an unsolicited dick pick. He should've known better. But her innocent "oh I didn't really realize he was hitting on me because I'm a foreigner" routine shouldn't fool anyone although I'm sure it will some.
Porter shouldn't lose his job because he's bad at wooing a woman and texted a penis 4 and a half years ago. That's idiotic. What he should do is apologize, and everyone move on. He held up his end, and then ESPN, because they have zero integrity, ran this story to make her this victim, when she was an active participant in what happened. FUCK THAT BITCH AND EVERY BITCH LIKE HER.
of whether or not he’s just having fun or trying to get with the chick....he just seems like a total loser/prick. I’m sorry but, cmon man. Just a terrible look.
After she sent a selfie, Porter responded: "You're gorgeous. Want more of me?"
She said yes, explaining to ESPN: "I thought it would be awkward to say no. I didn't think of where it would progress."
Porter sent three pictures, including the first of several that would show a man lying on a bed with a bulge in his pants. The woman said she initially was confused.
"Like?" Porter wrote.
She laughed again and texted yes, though she told ESPN that she didn't realize the intention of the photo taken on the bed. "You are not married?" she asked.
This is insulting. He came right out and asked her if she had a boyfriend right from the beginning...and she plays along all this time, then she asks him about his status. Why would you do that, why would you say you liked his pictures, give me a break.
do the men not act like animals in her country? did she not know she was in the united states of #metoo? she'd probably still have a job if she came out back then.
espn is scum. last night Bomani Jones was crying that no black HC candidates got jobs so far(basically bienemy) but when someone told him Leslie Frazier was a leading candidate for the Houston job he said he hopes he doesn't take it because its a bad opportunity. WTF? its bad for Frazier but ok for Bienemy?! pick a fucking side! lol
of whether or not he’s just having fun or trying to get with the chick....he just seems like a total loser/prick. I’m sorry but, cmon man. Just a terrible look.
Look, WHO GIVES A FUCK if he comes off as a loser to some woman he's hitting on. I don't know many men who've never hit on a woman and looked like a complete asshole and made an embarrassment of himself. He's not employed by the Mets to be Rico Suave. He's employed by the Mets to analyze players and make good personnel decisions.
Was it a bad look, yes. Could she have nipped it in the bud from the get go? Also yes. And yet she gets to run his name through the mud for something 4 years ago...where were you and what were you doing 4 years ago? And she gets to do this completely anonymously. And yet, he owned up to his mistake, told her he was sorry, and she still thought about suing him. That's sick. Honestly she's way worse of a human being than a single guy trying to score with a woman he thinks is hot.
His self-awareness is awful, because you can't send that many texts with no response, but keep in mind he was single and she HAD given him signs she was interested. Ridiculous. Why should he get fired for this? It wasn't even during his employment with the Mets.
You are not understanding what’s going on here. Your analysis of the article is biased from a fan or a sexist side. Guy sent 60+ unanswered texts to a woman and after about the 50th a answered text, he sent a dick pic. You think that’s normal behavior? I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else may come out with a similar story against him.
You are not understanding what’s going on here. Your analysis of the article is biased from a fan or a sexist side. Guy sent 60+ unanswered texts to a woman and after about the 50th a answered text, he sent a dick pic. You think that’s normal behavior? I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else may come out with a similar story against him.
It has nothing to do with a fan or a sexist side. I already know that the sheer volume of texts is cringeworthy, but you're going to fire a guy because he was overzealous in chasing a woman and has no game? When all she had to do was text back and say "STOP, NOT INTERESTED," and once she did finally tell him to stop, he apologized and did what she asked?
And there isn't a woman alive under 50 years old, under 250 lbs, and probably most over 250 lbs, who has a smartphone in the last 20 years, tat has never gotten a dick pick. Let's stop with the pearl clutching. Like she can't handle seeing a picture of a penis? Yeah, I know it's not right, and I've only done it once and it was only by request, but come on.
She asked espn not to run the story then because she was afraid of retaliation. Not crazy of her. She got out of the business and espn asked to run the story and she said yes and wanted to keep anonymous because in her country women do not have the same equalities. And coming from someone who has actually married a woman whose 1st language isn’t English and who grew up in a different culture, certain things can be misunderstood. We don’t know this woman’s grasp of the English language. She could have been reporting exclusively for a network that only needed her to know that language. All in all it’s not a good look.
your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Of the dick pic and because he made her feel so uncomfortable in the work place that she has to actively avoid him and refuse work. Or hid when she sees him. That’s not okay in a work environment.
She asked espn not to run the story then because she was afraid of retaliation. Not crazy of her. She got out of the business and espn asked to run the story and she said yes and wanted to keep anonymous because in her country women do not have the same equalities. And coming from someone who has actually married a woman whose 1st language isn’t English and who grew up in a different culture, certain things can be misunderstood. We don’t know this woman’s grasp of the English language. She could have been reporting exclusively for a network that only needed her to know that language. All in all it’s not a good look.
Yeah ok, she really didn't understand, "You're beautiful, do you have a boyfriend." She knew. I knew one of you saps would fall for this bullshit. Stop putting a bitch on a pedestal. She's not worthy of being up there. There are women who are worthy, she's not a victim. Her name needs to come out.
your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
She asked espn not to run the story then because she was afraid of retaliation. Not crazy of her. She got out of the business and espn asked to run the story and she said yes and wanted to keep anonymous because in her country women do not have the same equalities. And coming from someone who has actually married a woman whose 1st language isn’t English and who grew up in a different culture, certain things can be misunderstood. We don’t know this woman’s grasp of the English language. She could have been reporting exclusively for a network that only needed her to know that language. All in all it’s not a good look.
Yeah ok, she really didn't understand, "You're beautiful, do you have a boyfriend." She knew. I knew one of you saps would fall for this bullshit. Stop putting a bitch on a pedestal. She's not worthy of being up there. There are women who are worthy, she's not a victim. Her name needs to come out.
Of the dick pic and because he made her feel so uncomfortable in the work place that she has to actively avoid him and refuse work. Or hid when she sees him. That’s not okay in a work environment.
BECAUSE SHE LED HIM ON! How are you completely absolving her from any responsibility in this? Why wouldn't he continue chasing her if when he asks if she wants more of him, she says "YES" and had agreed to go have drinks with him after he asked if she had a boyfriend and was telling her she's beautiful? And spare me, she's not a co-worker. He's a single guy trying to shoot his shot, and it went disastrously, in some part because of her leading him on. Why is this even news? It's gross, and a railroad job.
Seriously, what's the crime here? Guy over-zealously hits on girl, sends a dick pic. What? This is nonsense.
it doesn’t seem like you read the full article. Because he didn’t stop when she actually said ok dude that’s enough. He actually sent her MORE texts after that. He didn’t stop. He sent multiple messages. He sent her a pic from Dodger stadium after that. Jesus dude. Why the fuck do you think he did that? Because he was hoping that she’d respond, but she didn’t. We get it man. Obviously a lot of the time women are definitely using this shit to their advantage but guess what, a lot of times they aren’t, and it’s 2020 dude. Sorry but you can’t be a GM of a baseball team and behave this way. Nobody is saying he shouldn’t be forgiven or be able to work in sports. It’s all good there.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
Who said she wants to advance her career? Follow along, numbnuts. When I said she thought it would be good for her career, it was DURING THE ACTUAL events of the story 4 years ago. Reading comprehension, try it.
your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
Who said she wants to advance her career? Follow along, numbnuts. When I said she thought it would be good for her career, it was DURING THE ACTUAL events of the story 4 years ago. Reading comprehension, try it.
I think you’re the one that needs to start doing some following.
it doesn’t seem like you read the full article. Because he didn’t stop when she actually said ok dude that’s enough. He actually sent her MORE texts after that. He didn’t stop. He sent multiple messages. He sent her a pic from Dodger stadium after that. Jesus dude. Why the fuck do you think he did that? Because he was hoping that she’d respond, but she didn’t. We get it man. Obviously a lot of the time women are definitely using this shit to their advantage but guess what, a lot of times they aren’t, and it’s 2020 dude. Sorry but you can’t be a GM of a baseball team and behave this way. Nobody is saying he shouldn’t be forgiven or be able to work in sports. It’s all good there.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
You know why? I've met girls like this. I've seen other women try to destroy a man's life. Women like this are cold-hearted. They prey upon men, they act so innocent and they don't care the damage that is done to the man's life, as long as they look like an innocent victim who was wronged by the horrible surly man, when they are just as responsible.
I've shared a personal story on here before I think about this kind of girl, and happy to do it again.
I know a guy who was falsely accused of rape/sexual assault (not me, though it could have easily been me). Until you've been on that side of a woman who you think likes you and then broadsides you with accusations to the entire world that could basically ruin your life, you really don't understand.
it doesn’t seem like you read the full article. Because he didn’t stop when she actually said ok dude that’s enough. He actually sent her MORE texts after that. He didn’t stop. He sent multiple messages. He sent her a pic from Dodger stadium after that. Jesus dude. Why the fuck do you think he did that? Because he was hoping that she’d respond, but she didn’t. We get it man. Obviously a lot of the time women are definitely using this shit to their advantage but guess what, a lot of times they aren’t, and it’s 2020 dude. Sorry but you can’t be a GM of a baseball team and behave this way. Nobody is saying he shouldn’t be forgiven or be able to work in sports. It’s all good there.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
it doesn’t seem like you read the full article. Because he didn’t stop when she actually said ok dude that’s enough. He actually sent her MORE texts after that. He didn’t stop. He sent multiple messages. He sent her a pic from Dodger stadium after that. Jesus dude. Why the fuck do you think he did that? Because he was hoping that she’d respond, but she didn’t. We get it man. Obviously a lot of the time women are definitely using this shit to their advantage but guess what, a lot of times they aren’t, and it’s 2020 dude. Sorry but you can’t be a GM of a baseball team and behave this way. Nobody is saying he shouldn’t be forgiven or be able to work in sports. It’s all good there.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
You know why? I've met girls like this. I've seen other women try to destroy a man's life. Women like this are cold-hearted. They prey upon men, they act so innocent and they don't care the damage that is done to the man's life, as long as they look like an innocent victim who was wronged by the horrible surly man, when they are just as responsible.
I've shared a personal story on here before I think about this kind of girl, and happy to do it again.
I know a guy who was falsely accused of rape/sexual assault (not me, though it could have easily been me). Until you've been on that side of a woman who you think likes you and then broadsides you with accusations to the entire world that could basically ruin your life, you really don't understand.
Jim, I am sorry that happened to you. That sucks to have that happen. But it’s also not okay for the guy who has the upper hand in the situation to take advantage either. And that’s what’s happening here as well.
Cool man, what the fuck does that even mean? First of all, you don’t know this woman, you don’t even know who the fuck she is! Secondly, nobody gives a shit if you’ve met shitty women. It’s not some special card that you get to have in order to seem smart about this conversation.
Again, you’re just not getting it. It can’t be explained to you, and you aren’t willing to be understanding about the issue at hand. So we can just drop it.
Cool man, what the fuck does that even mean? First of all, you don’t know this woman, you don’t even know who the fuck she is! Secondly, nobody gives a shit if you’ve met shitty women. It’s not some special card that you get to have in order to seem smart about this conversation.
Yeah it is. This is what she did...led him on until she decided otherwise, didn't tell him, and then he's wondering wtf happened, maybe something happened, maybe I can save the situation, whatever, and all she has to say is she's not interested and not to text her. And "power of her"? That's some shit right there. He's not her boss. They don't work for the same company. She was a member of the press...who REALLY has the power there? It ain't him, and this story is proof of that.
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
my man. You dying on this very specific hill when it comes to a young GM who appears to be *maybe* a slimeball kinda dude, is just weird.
And I’d be willing to bet my mortgage that he’s done this to other women. Anyone with half a fucking brain would agree with that. Which again, is NOT a crime, it’s just shitty sexual behavior that just doesn’t jive with the current times
Do this to men, men just kinda have to take it and move on. There is a double standard but guess what, that’s the world we live in and women have had to deal with shit like this since the dawn of time. For every 1 woman who does it there are 100 men. It doesn’t even out dude.
His texts show poor judgment and a serious lack of understanding about the appropriate way to treat women that you have a professional relationship with.
Nobody like that should be in charge of any kind of organization.
His texts show poor judgment and a serious lack of understanding about the appropriate way to treat women that you have a professional relationship with.
Nobody like that should be in charge of any kind of organization.
Gary, love the logic. But Jim’s point is he made a great trade and women can lie.
I was around 19-20 years old, and I took this girl out on a date that I really liked. I made my intentions clear, I wanted to take her on a date.
We had really great romantic chemistry on the date. She sat on my lap in a park after and we ended up kissing. I didn't have anything else planned to do at this point of the date, so I asked her what she wanted to do. She said, "I want to go to your place."
We go to my house, and we start messing around. A lot of passion, heavy petting, but this was our first date and she was 17, I think. Things were getting really intense, but I purposefully kept things in the living room rather than go to the bedroom because I thought it was too soon. Now, there's a lot of hand play, I'm touching her boobs and stuff under her shirt, we're both hot and heavy. She looks me right in the eyes and says, "what do you want me to do to you." That is verbatim. Which took me aback a bit, and then she looked down, obviously I'm stiff as a board.
I said, "you can touch it." She reaches in my pants and starts giving me a handy. I stopped things very shortly after that because I didn't want to have sex with her on the first date, I really felt it would ruin things and I really liked her, I wanted to try to have a relationship with her. So after I said let's cool down, and a bit after that she asked if I could take her home, it was in the wee hours of the morning and we'd be going at it for awhile, and obviously she still lived with her parents.
I take her home and we're sitting in my car, and she says, "I FEEL LIKE YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME."
I was flabbergasted. Blind-sided. Someone who was totally into the throes with me, and probably would've fucked me silly if I didn't slow things down, and she says something that scared the daylights out of me. When a girl says that, what does it mean? Does it mean she's going to accuse you of sexual assault? Because what actually happened was in that moment, she felt guilty for taking things that far, and felt slutty, and decided it was my fault.
We knew all the same people. Was she going to merely just damage my reputation or make a serious accusation? I didn't know, but I knew right then I was scared shitless of her and never wanted to see her again in an instant.
I really can't explain that feeling in that moment. But I'll never act like a woman doesn't have her own agency. You guys are acting like she was some damsel in distress, and by doing that you rob her of her own agency and responsibility in what happened. That's bullshit, and if you were a true "feminist" you wouldn't act like she was powerless when she truly wasn't. Thanks if you read this far.
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
I was around 19-20 years old, and I took this girl out on a date that I really liked. I made my intentions clear, I wanted to take her on a date.
We had really great romantic chemistry on the date. She sat on my lap in a park after and we ended up kissing. I didn't have anything else planned to do at this point of the date, so I asked her what she wanted to do. She said, "I want to go to your place."
We go to my house, and we start messing around. A lot of passion, heavy petting, but this was our first date and she was 17, I think. Things were getting really intense, but I purposefully kept things in the living room rather than go to the bedroom because I thought it was too soon. Now, there's a lot of hand play, I'm touching her boobs and stuff under her shirt, we're both hot and heavy. She looks me right in the eyes and says, "what do you want me to do to you." That is verbatim. Which took me aback a bit, and then she looked down, obviously I'm stiff as a board.
I said, "you can touch it." She reaches in my pants and starts giving me a handy. I stopped things very shortly after that because I didn't want to have sex with her on the first date, I really felt it would ruin things and I really liked her, I wanted to try to have a relationship with her. So after I said let's cool down, and a bit after that she asked if I could take her home, it was in the wee hours of the morning and we'd be going at it for awhile, and obviously she still lived with her parents.
I take her home and we're sitting in my car, and she says, "I FEEL LIKE YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME."
I was flabbergasted. Blind-sided. Someone who was totally into the throes with me, and probably would've fucked me silly if I didn't slow things down, and she says something that scared the daylights out of me. When a girl says that, what does it mean? Does it mean she's going to accuse you of sexual assault? Because what actually happened was in that moment, she felt guilty for taking things that far, and felt slutty, and decided it was my fault.
We knew all the same people. Was she going to merely just damage my reputation or make a serious accusation? I didn't know, but I knew right then I was scared shitless of her and never wanted to see her again in an instant.
I really can't explain that feeling in that moment. But I'll never act like a woman doesn't have her own agency. You guys are acting like she was some damsel in distress, and by doing that you rob her of her own agency and responsibility in what happened. That's bullshit, and if you were a true "feminist" you wouldn't act like she was powerless when she truly wasn't. Thanks if you read this far.
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
and it’s not entirely flattering to her. At the very least she was painfully naive. Did she deliberately lead him on? From an American perspective it sure looks that way.
Also, let’s think about this: How many countries send reporters to the US to cover baseball? Could be Latin American, more likely East Asian. If she is from Korea, Japan or Taiwan I can easily believe that that she was confused. That is a big cultural gap.
When I was single I tried to date some Asian immigrant girls. It never worked, partly because they seemed to have very different notions of how I was supposed to behave and what I should do to pursue them.
As for him, well, the crotch pics and dick pic are WAYYY out of line. Yeah it’s a long-Ish time ago. I don’t know what the Mets should do. But in a PR-sensitive business he has a big problem and so does his employer.
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
You raise a good point about her not sending a cease and desist text, She may very well have been thinking
Maybe I can use this to My Advantage some day
But the thing is even if she was an operator, he still fell for it. If she did not respond to numerous texts that is a clear negative signal,’You cannot send a pornographic picture
It may not represent who he is, Might have been a stupid drunken text. But he is still going to get nailed in terms of public perception
I am not of the belief this should be a death sentence
I am the first to admit men do stupid things when they start thinking with their small head.....
she gave enough to misinterpret...with some mixed signals...based on language or whatever....and he took it and ran with it......
I am assuming they never did meet up for drinks/date.....if he is under the impression that she was interested.....he might conclude that they never connected..because he didn't push enough..... Who knows.
I also assuming that he apologized as soon as she made clear her actual intentions.....which is the right thing to do.
I am not sure if there was any malice....poor assumption and judgement, yes.
Yes...she was somewhat damaged but not intentionally...I do not see this as death sentence on his part
Formal public apology......
This thread turned into quite the read this morning
This issue isn’t as debatable as some seem to think, IMO
I don’t care how they met, how much she may have played up to him, when it happened vs when it was reported, or what he says now.
60 unreturned text messages is bizarre and pathetic. Doesn’t matter if you agreed to trade pics in the past...after maybe 2-3 unreturned texts, you walk the fuck away and leave her alone.
The fact players pull a lot of shit like this doesn’t somehow excuse his behavior. A buddy of mine worked for the Orioles several years back, you should see the texts his girlfriend used to get from Rafael Palmeiro.
But for someone in a position of leadership over said players? Yeah, bye.
Sending pictures of your genitals is not appropriate and no one with good judgement would put something like that on the internet where it is there for ever
you own the vetting misstep. “We realize we cannot continue the relationship as we’d previously hoped.” Don’t go below the surface. No need. Wish him well and move forward.
Porter’s young. He can evolve. He just can’t have THIS job.
Remember when Favre sent dick picks to Sterger? Where was all the outrage when that happened? Did that prevent him from getting in the Hall of Fame? Did that stop companies from offering him add deals or to be in commercials (I still see those stupid cooper sleeve ads all the time).
Is that situation different because Sterger was clearly looking for attention on getting those out there to further her media career?
Was Porter wrong, absolutely. I am sure if you look hard enough, you can find something in everyone's past. The timing of this just sucks, similar to the Beltran situation. My hope is that Cohen stands by Porter and says everyone makes mistakes and allows him to keep his job.
I am really curious as to the timing of all of this. As the article alluded to, this women is no longer in the sports media and asked to run the story. Has she been out long; did she just leave; is it at slow news cycle over at ESPN?
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
BINGO!!!
What type of idiot doesn't get that NO response is a response?
(after reading this thread....) That I am in my 50's and cameras on phones were not around when I was young and hormones raging.
Texting and cameras have dramatically changed how we interact with other people (I know, Captain Obvious). I wonder how many of us middle aged and older would have been, if we had that device in our hands, at 17-25? We may have gotten laid more due to sheer numbers, but many of us would have gotten into a bunch of trouble.
for the fact this is just acceptable male female pursuit (I do not but I guess it's an opinion one can have), you have to at least acknowledge that someone with a public facing position cannot engage in this activity without consequence.
this guy would have to be a moron to think this is ok and feel like "I just wanted her to go out with me so I sent her a dick pick, what's the big deal?"
her response and action are questionable - I do question how much a victim she actually is but I don't know - I don't think a language barrier should prevent her from saying that's gross don't send me naked pictures of yourself - at least if she said "knock it off" one time (maybe she did?) I could see this being worse from her perspective, I do think she probably knew what was happening (but this is all conjecture based on the story - I could be wrong, but usually they try and make it worse for the victim - and did not in this story), ESPN is also reprehensible because they likely sat on it knowing Porter would wind up in a role like this one day and the story would have a bigger impact, but to be clear this is 100% on Porter.
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
You do not understand, are engaging in counter-revolutionary thinking and displaying bad attitude. It is necessary in order to maintain the revolution for this counter-revolutionary to be publicly denounced, confess his error, receive punishment, and re-educated. Perhaps after he has been rehabilitated, he can find something useful to do like be a gardener. In the meantime, remember, the nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered.
she didnt respond after a number of texts, he didnt get the message and continued. Or he didn't care and wanted to express his sexual desires with her, which is way worse.
isn't really apples to apples here, not to mention the peculiar oversharing. While this woman could have hit the brakes sooner, she didn't, but eventually he's got to be self-aware enough to realize he's gone too far and that it's time to stop.
You have to wonder what she had to gain in revealing this four years later, but he was wrong in the first place.
A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight
The kind of guy that camps on the side of "she did not respond, and that would have stopped it, so it's not really harrassment" is pretty much the same type of person that would TAKE ANY RESPONSE AT ALL, EVEN A FIRM STOP! as a type of encouragement, probably...
Penis brain thinks: " hey, she's answering my dick pics!"
Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
You do not understand, are engaging in counter-revolutionary thinking and displaying bad attitude. It is necessary in order to maintain the revolution for this counter-revolutionary to be publicly denounced, confess his error, receive punishment, and re-educated. Perhaps after he has been rehabilitated, he can find something useful to do like be a gardener. In the meantime, remember, the nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered.
Yes, thinking dick pics are appropriate is akin to falling victim to the Reign of Terror's fourth wave.
You've got a 3:15 on January 22nd at your town square, please be sure to shave the back of your neck.
It has nothing to do with a fan or a sexist side. I already know that the sheer volume of texts is cringeworthy, but you're going to fire a guy because he was overzealous in chasing a woman and has no game? When all she had to do was text back and say "STOP, NOT INTERESTED," and once she did finally tell him to stop, he apologized and did what she asked?
And there isn't a woman alive under 50 years old, under 250 lbs, and probably most over 250 lbs, who has a smartphone in the last 20 years, tat has never gotten a dick pick. Let's stop with the pearl clutching. Like she can't handle seeing a picture of a penis? Yeah, I know it's not right, and I've only done it once and it was only by request, but come on.
Dude, you need to take a step back. He wasn't just chasing a woman, he was chasing a woman who could potentially cover the team he works for. To send a pic like that is the ultimate in unprofessionalism.
And your last paragraph is despicable. You're a better poster than that. He's a GM, get over it, the next person will be fine.
you can bet that any trades or draft picks or FA signings he was heavily involved in from 2016 (and way further back then that) mattered greatly in the decision to hire him for the job in the first place. As did all of his philosophical rhetoric about the importance of developing culture as a leader and the first hand accounts from people he worked with. This incident is part of his professional resume too. That's just a fact that I believe Porter himself confirmed (per Sandy's statement).
Regardless of any other parties actions this incident showed remarkably bad judgement by Porter not so far back in the past. In 2016 he was 37, not 17, interacting with someone he met on a professional level not someone he matched with on tinder. Instead of thinking about this punitively the key question is whether or not Porter can be trusted to be a key leader of a billion dollar business?
The debate/decision shouldn't be whether he broke a law or re the righteousness of what he did - though there doesn't seem to be any major disagreement there, nobody seems to think what he did was kosher, nor does anyone seem to think he deserves anything beyond not being in a high profile job almost entirely dependent on good judgement.
So if you were Steve Cohen would you trust his judgement and bet your $2b brand on him or move on?
Yes, thinking dick pics are appropriate is akin to falling victim to the Reign of Terror's fourth wave.
Either this is a serious matter or it is not. This guy was publicly humiliated, lost his job, must rehabilitate himself if possible and find a way to make a living if possible. Those are serious consequences. We must assume therefore that "thinking dick pics are appropriate" is a serious matter for which there is no defense, mitigating circumstance or excuse. The denunciation is sufficient.
This is a cultural revolution and the sooner people like allstarjim realize it and get on board, the better.
Do continue framing your anger at a man experiencing consequences
you can bet that any trades or draft picks or FA signings he was heavily involved in from 2016 (and way further back then that) mattered greatly in the decision to hire him for the job in the first place. As did all of his philosophical rhetoric about the importance of developing culture as a leader and the first hand accounts from people he worked with. This incident is part of his professional resume too. That's just a fact that I believe Porter himself confirmed (per Sandy's statement).
Regardless of any other parties actions this incident showed remarkably bad judgement by Porter not so far back in the past. In 2016 he was 37, not 17, interacting with someone he met on a professional level not someone he matched with on tinder. Instead of thinking about this punitively the key question is whether or not Porter can be trusted to be a key leader of a billion dollar business?
The debate/decision shouldn't be whether he broke a law or re the righteousness of what he did - though there doesn't seem to be any major disagreement there, nobody seems to think what he did was kosher, nor does anyone seem to think he deserves anything beyond not being in a high profile job almost entirely dependent on good judgement.
So if you were Steve Cohen would you trust his judgement and bet your $2b brand on him or move on?
This is a great post. I had said above maybe Steve gives him a chance to redeem himself. I am thinking more in the lines of normal people here. He just spent $2B on a franchise and this is not the type of person you would want running your baseball team.
revolution (if that was a serious comment). It was never and currently is not ok to expose yourself to women (or anyone) as a form of flirtation.
technology has enabled actions like this, and many of them I'm sure stay private, but when you have aspirations to be in a public facing role (like a pro sports team GM) you have another standard you are beholden to.
You can question how much of a victim the reporter is in this case based on her actions and the story as it's written (there are some holes/questions), but it doesn't change that what Porter did epitomizes poor judgment from a position where judgment is a critical.
The decision for Cohen was easy and Mets fans should be happy it was made so swiftly.
about this story is that they literally met in an elevator and like, hardly knew each other. You can understand a bunch of messages and pics from someone you are seriously dating, or someone you've been on a few dates with, maybe things getting serious, etc. But the fact that they were basically strangers makes this all the more pathetic by Porter.
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I have no idea .I have an organization of 400 employees that matter more than any one individual. No action would of set a poor example to the culture I’m trying to build
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
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I have no idea .I have an organization of 400 employees that matter more than any one individual. No action would of set a poor example to the culture I’m trying to build
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
You can act hyperbolic about it, that's your right. From what I know there isn't even a criminal complaint and there probably shouldn't be, but at the same time there is no obligation for Steve Cohen to keep him employed as the public face of his franchise.
If this had been revealed prior to being hired, he likely wouldn't have been hired, but at least Cohen would have had a choice. Now Cohen had none.
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
You do not understand, are engaging in counter-revolutionary thinking and displaying bad attitude. It is necessary in order to maintain the revolution for this counter-revolutionary to be publicly denounced, confess his error, receive punishment, and re-educated. Perhaps after he has been rehabilitated, he can find something useful to do like be a gardener. In the meantime, remember, the nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered.
WTF are you talking about? I definitely think we need to put him in the gulag for a couple of years for his re-education.
RE: A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight
The kind of guy that camps on the side of "she did not respond, and that would have stopped it, so it's not really harrassment" is pretty much the same type of person that would TAKE ANY RESPONSE AT ALL, EVEN A FIRM STOP! as a type of encouragement, probably...
Penis brain thinks: " hey, she's answering my dick pics!"
GTFO with ANY justification to that
behavior.
I was talking about the legal definition of harassment. Harassment is continuing behavior after the person has communicated that it is unwanted. No communication is certainly understood by many of us what that means, but from a legal standpoint, in my layman understanding, the person has to actually say something or have it communicated the behavior is unwanted for it to be harassment. The thing most of you don't get is that I agree with almost all of your opinions on him...it WAS pathetic. He DEFINITELY should have realized that she wasn't in to him well before 60 texts. And, an unsolicited dick pick is wrong and unprofessional.
We see eye to eye on all that.
What we don't see eye to eye on is this: If I'm a woman who has received a picture of a dude who sends me a pic of his bulge, and I say I like it and want to see more, and ask about his marital status...and then the guy continues, even if it's cringey, then I tell him to stop and he apologizes and stops, then I hang on to the texts and wait four and a half years and ANONYMOUSLY destroy his life over these texts, I'm the worst bitch in the world. She gets to sit back and enjoy anonymity while his world burns down. And Passan and Kimes are terrible humans.
Some of you need to understand that the "revolution" or whatever the fuck should mean treating women as equals, but that doesn't mean subserviant, and it doesn't mean women are absolved from their responsibility and behavior also.
BTW, I also understood Cohen's answer, and it was a good one, even though I don't agree with his decision. To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
I have a clue, and it doesn't matter what year it is. Stop allowing women to fuck over dudes this way. This white knight bullshit is wrong.
You sound like someone that speaks from experience of harassment.
Yup, I sure do. I've had my crotch and my ass (twice) un-wanting-ly grabbed in the workplace. You know what I did? Nothing, because I didn't think it was worth it to hurt someone's career over something stupid they did. Further, I would never use a situation like that try for personal gain at the expense of another.
RE: RE: A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight
To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
In the end, Porter is replaceable.
RE: RE: RE: A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight
To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
you sound like someone who doesn't realize that men and women are not on equal footing when it comes to these things. And you're probably like, the only person on earth who thinks that way (if you do think that way).
To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
In the end, Porter is replaceable.
I agree with all that. Still empathize with the guy. I was commenting on the legal part because some people were saying it's sexual harassment, and I don't believe that's the case because of what I explained above...harassment is by definition, unwanted sexual attention (for lack of a better word). But when she responded via text in the affirmative that she liked his advances, that is communicating it's unwanted. To any logical person who understands social norms, being ghosted is communicating that you're not wanted. However, there's no defining line on when that crosses over from, "hey, you still there" to, "you're harassing me." She actually has to tell him to stop, and she did eventually, and when she did, he did.
I can justify the decision by Cohen and your rationale above. I can also believe the whole thing is a damn shame and she's worse of a human than Porter.
you sound like someone who doesn't realize that men and women are not on equal footing when it comes to these things. And you're probably like, the only person on earth who thinks that way (if you do think that way).
I've seen a lot of other posts showing empathy to Porter. Not just here, twitter and elsewhere.
you sound like someone who doesn't realize that men and women are not on equal footing when it comes to these things. And you're probably like, the only person on earth who thinks that way (if you do think that way).
I understand what you're saying, to a point I agree. Where I disagree is the absolution of a woman having any responsibility whatsoever like they have no agency or power to stand up for themselves. If we are treating women as people with power, then why are we acting like her leading him on and then not sooner telling him to stop was not a factor in this story? Why is she 100% the victim and Porter is 100% the guilty party? She was not an employee of Porter's. He had no real power over her where her career would be in jeopardy for not responding to his advances. Indeed, when she asked him to stop, he said she could still go to him for anything for work.
some sort of an objective here to rate who is a "better human"?
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
some sort of an objective here to rate who is a "better human"?
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
Look - I think as a society we go way too far in villifying people and the Cancel Culture behind it. And things like this probably shouldn't impact a hiring decision, but that's where we are.
I hate the fact that things done years ago that aren't terrible acts have repercussions today - but that's where the blowback from people sitting on Social Media waiting to be outraged and act comes into play. There should be consequences for actions. I don't agree that those consequences need to be public shame and loss of a job.
In many ways - we've not grown very much since the Scarlet Letter or the Salem days.
some sort of an objective here to rate who is a "better human"?
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
Look - I think as a society we go way too far in villifying people and the Cancel Culture behind it. And things like this probably shouldn't impact a hiring decision, but that's where we are.
I hate the fact that things done years ago that aren't terrible acts have repercussions today - but that's where the blowback from people sitting on Social Media waiting to be outraged and act comes into play. There should be consequences for actions. I don't agree that those consequences need to be public shame and loss of a job.
In many ways - we've not grown very much since the Scarlet Letter or the Salem days.
could we find someone sympathetic to the true victim here, the multi millionaire baseball GM who sent unsolicited dick pics.
Framing it this way without nuance or context is exactly why Porter is out of a job and speaks to the post FMiC made just below yours. We truly haven't come very far since the scarlett letter days.
the story not the reporter, and IMO, it was not out of concern for the reporter and her career as they say, but out of the expectation that Porter would some day ascend beyond the smaller role he had and make the story more impactful. IOW to get more clicks and eyeballs.
Even now, the way the story is released it doesn't reveal the reporter's identity or any characteristics about her beyond that she's not American. So today, when in theory the story "can't her career" because she's no longer n journalism they still don't reveal any personally identifiable characteristics of the woman.
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
it's being glossed over that this wasnt something in his personal life
it was a business relationship. The phrase "don't shit where you eat" isn't exactly some new phenomenon.
Imo there's a very big difference in the following 2 recipient scenarios even if Porter sent the exact same 60 texts:
a) someone in his personal life - snapchat, tinder, whatever
b) someone in his professional life where literally every employee agrees to a code of conduct (esp if you're an exec).
He opened himself up to this problem not just with his specific texts but by mixing personal with professional. That was his choice and it is a shame that he self sabotaged a promising career with something stupid. But that's not anyone else's fault. He owns all of it.
If anyone on this thread texted a pic of their junk to anyone their work with, or a vendor, unsolicited, and their employer found out, what do you expect would happen?
could we find someone sympathetic to the true victim here, the multi millionaire baseball GM who sent unsolicited dick pics.
Framing it this way without nuance or context is exactly why Porter is out of a job and speaks to the post FMiC made just below yours. We truly haven't come very far since the scarlett letter days.
Give me a fucking break.
There's plenty of opportunity for context and nuance. This isn't that.
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
Again with the hysterical histrionics.
What if you don't shoot him in the head in front of his mother, but you also don't want him as the guy with the "keys" to your professional sports team because you don't know if this was a momentary lapse of poor judgment or a pattern and frankly you don't give a shit (if you own the team).
Or is not keeping him on as Mets GM the same thing as shooting him in the head in front of his mother.
THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
Again with the hysterical histrionics.
What if you don't shoot him in the head in front of his mother, but you also don't want him as the guy with the "keys" to your professional sports team because you don't know if this was a momentary lapse of poor judgment or a pattern and frankly you don't give a shit (if you own the team).
Or is not keeping him on as Mets GM the same thing as shooting him in the head in front of his mother.
I'm more outraged with the woman, Passan, Kimes, and ESPN than I am with Cohen for firing Porter.
a video of a 15-year old kid singing a rap song with the n word in it surfacing 4 years later and being sent to his/her college to get their admission rescinded.
this isn't someone from Hollywood making an off-color joke and the media and elite having an over the top reaction.
this is not some old social media posts made during some youthful indiscretion that were questionable being used years later to impugn someone's character
this was a 35-year old man, who felt like the way to get the attention of a woman who was ignoring him was to send a picture of his (or someone's) erect genitals.
He is not being charged with a crime, but he's also not being allowed to stay in a role where it would reflect negatively on his employer.
People have recovered from such transgressions maybe he will to, but even if you don't have an issue with sending unsolicited dick picks (you're insane if you think that's ok), Porter is NOT the victim. This is not a Scarlet Letter scenario, that was consenting adults, this was unwanted and inappropriate.
Seriously, I would have thought maybe a good night's sleep after last night's horror show of victim shaming and oversharing might have changed the mindset. But here we are, doubling down on a losing hand and blaming literally everybody but the scumbag who committed the act. Incredible.
Seriously, I would have thought maybe a good night's sleep after last night's horror show of victim shaming and oversharing might have changed the mindset. But here we are, doubling down on a losing hand and blaming literally everybody but the scumbag who committed the act. Incredible.
I'm not afraid to talk about anecdotes from my past. It's a personal story from almost 25 years ago. It's relevance is in the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior.
Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.
Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.
And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.
I'm not super old but I've been in a relationship since the late '90s. We didn't do stuff like that back then, probably just for technological reasons. But did anyone ever send a dick pic to a woman and get a positive response? Maybe flowers are too cheesy but there has to be an in-between, right?
Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
If he flashed her in person, he could be prosecuted for it. Why should this be treated so differently?
We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.
I'm not afraid to talk about anecdotes from my past. It's a personal story from almost 25 years ago. It's relevance is in the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior.
Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.
Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.
And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.
Porter has admitted it is true, and apologized for it.
Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
If he flashed her in person, he could be prosecuted for it. Why should this be treated so differently?
We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.
Because the former is a crime, the latter isn't. I actually agree with the rest of your post, though. No issue with any of that.
was unethical and definitively harassment. Bare minimum. Someone with judgement this poor shouldn't be responsible for running a sports organization.
"Harassment, under the laws of the United States, is defined as any repeated or continuing uninvited contact that serves no useful purpose beyond creating alarm, annoyance, or emotional distress."
Outrage of the outrage doesn't balance things out. There are certain cases where I'd take pause and think that "things have gone too far here" but this isn't one of them.
At his press conference today announcing the firing of GM Porter, Mr. Steve Cohen also announced he is replacing all of the Mets front office cell phones with the following:
Per Mr. Cohen:
Quote:
"The Mets won their last championship using this phone, and we feel confident going forward Nokia, an established leader in their field."
Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
At his press conference today announcing the firing of GM Porter, Mr. Steve Cohen also announced he is replacing all of the Mets front office cell phones with the following:
Per Mr. Cohen:
Quote:
"The Mets won their last championship using this phone, and we feel confident going forward Nokia, an established leader in their field."
Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
Curious what the 17 year old would say about this. They always say there are 3 sides to the story, his side, her side, and the truth. She may not have seen things the same way you were seeing them and you didn't even realize it.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Complaining about a one sided story when we got a one sided story from you about an experience when you tried to date a 17 year old girl.
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
Are you really giving me shit for 19 or 20 year old me for dating a 17 year old? That's pretty normal. She might've even been 18. LOL.
Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
Maybe you'll figure it out eventually.
I'm pretty sure I got it covered, I lived it. K thanks.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.
That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:
for dating a 17/18 year old when he was 19 is even more funny. the age means nothing in the story and it's not uncommon for people to be dating within that age range.
it was inappropriate and he should have been dismissed when it was released. What I don't understand is why it takes 5 years for the info to come out? Was he not important enough until now for these allegations to be raised?
I don't feel bad at all for Porter, but do think the timing here for him is unfortunate. Had he been 'outed' in 2016 he likely would have paid for his discretions and be back in the game, but now he's basically untouchable.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.
That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:
For the most part I'm an open book. I thought it was important to give a mature woman's perspective. I communicated the conversation (that actually happened) accurately.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.
Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.
Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.
The one thing I will say is I think I agree with most of the posters in this thread is that I don't think Porter is absolved of anything. I actually believe that Cohen made the right call (upon reflection). It's the right move for the termination. I was hopeful that he would have a second chance but it probably is the right move for him to get than second chance elsewhere. I agree with Cohen's statement he made. I don't absolve Porter. I've made that clear several times. What I disagree on is that she's a 100% an innocent victim in all this because she, for a time, was a participant in the back and forth. He sent a picture of his bulge, she said she liked it and asked if he was married. I don't know how anyone would think that's not a green light in the same situation. I've condemned his actions, especially the cock shot, and of course the 60 texts with no response is creepy and weird. But I also think there are two victims in this situation who both have some responsibility. We all agree Porter made his bed he's laying in. But sitting on it this long, and the fact that she could have just told him to stop much earlier rather than encouraging him, and the fact that he did stop and apologized once she did ask him to...I don't think that should be a death sentence for his career. It's an ugly mistake, but to me it's a really socially inept attempt at (a single man) wooing a woman into bed.
And that (very generally, not sending an unsolicited pic of your penis) to me is something that a lot of men have experienced without much blowback except for the immediate embarrassment. If you really feel women are powerful, intelligent beings with their own agency, how can you reconcile her actions (and inaction) as irrelevant? Certainly, a difference of cultural norms seems to be in part at play here, but that's a two-way street, and some extension of sympathy could be directed to Porter for his ignorance of those cultural differences. Remember, at this time, he wasn't at the lofty position of GM. And finally, none of that is stopping her 4.5 years later from dragging him and costing him his job.
There it is. That's my final post on this thread, and I appreciate those that took my words and my personal story at face value and that did not attempt to exaggerate my position on what he did, because I did repudiate his behavior from the beginning.
RE: RE: A little side note while I'm pretending to have some insight
I was talking about the legal definition of harassment. Harassment is continuing behavior after the person has communicated that it is unwanted. No communication is certainly understood by many of us what that means, but from a legal standpoint, in my layman understanding, the person has to actually say something or have it communicated the behavior is unwanted for it to be harassment. The thing most of you don't get is that I agree with almost all of your opinions on him...it WAS pathetic. He DEFINITELY should have realized that she wasn't in to him well before 60 texts. And, an unsolicited dick pick is wrong and unprofessional.
We see eye to eye on all that.
What we don't see eye to eye on is this: If I'm a woman who has received a picture of a dude who sends me a pic of his bulge, and I say I like it and want to see more, and ask about his marital status...and then the guy continues, even if it's cringey, then I tell him to stop and he apologizes and stops, then I hang on to the texts and wait four and a half years and ANONYMOUSLY destroy his life over these texts, I'm the worst bitch in the world. She gets to sit back and enjoy anonymity while his world burns down. And Passan and Kimes are terrible humans.
Some of you need to understand that the "revolution" or whatever the fuck should mean treating women as equals, but that doesn't mean subserviant, and it doesn't mean women are absolved from their responsibility and behavior also.
BTW, I also understood Cohen's answer, and it was a good one, even though I don't agree with his decision. To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
Thank you for clarifying your position Jim.
Some of it I understand, but don't agree with. Certainly a 4 year window of a statute of limitations on abusive behavior is crazily too short, and if you consider many classical forms of abuse - child abuse, predatory sexual abuse...
What Porter did was abuse. It's black and white IMO, and as others noted, those were the actions of a fully adult male, not a teenager lost in lust. No can do a "statute of limitations" on those actions IMHO.
for dating a 17/18 year old when he was 19 is even more funny. the age means nothing in the story and it's not uncommon for people to be dating within that age range.
Its stupid. I met my wife when I was 20 and she was 17. I went to her prom.
if she put him on blast years ago all this wouldn't of happened. He wouldn't of gotten an interview probably.
You are assuming her main goal was to bring an harasser to
Justice.
That would be noble but most humans are motivated by self. Interest. That’s why people are speculating about why this story broke now, 4-5 years after it occurred
the story not the reporter, and IMO, it was not out of concern for the reporter and her career as they say, but out of the expectation that Porter would some day ascend beyond the smaller role he had and make the story more impactful. IOW to get more clicks and eyeballs.
Even now, the way the story is released it doesn't reveal the reporter's identity or any characteristics about her beyond that she's not American. So today, when in theory the story "can't her career" because she's no longer n journalism they still don't reveal any personally identifiable characteristics of the woman.
is that I hear them all talking about Porter and it's great that he was fired and all that...which I totally get. It sounds sick.
But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
THIS! the same network who thought it was ok to lurk around before ruining some guys life at the most opportune moment for sending a dick pic VS. constantly crying systemic racism because someone (with a record of physical abuse on a woman) they think should be getting a job, doesn't (yet).
I am also not sure if this thread is where to ask this but did Passan know about this when Porter was hired? I read that there was some back and forth between Passan and Craig Carton. I know that Passan or ESPN needed the victim's approval but did Passan know at the time of hire?
The Mets are responsible for their own background checks. However, I am not talking legally but do you guys think if someone knew of this, they should have contacted the Mets? Would that be a violation of the anonymity. I have been reading a lot of reactions and I think many take the position that this young woman had to leave her profession and fear shame while Porter was able to continue his career. No one owes the Mets anything but from all I have read at Porter's hire was what a great hire and good baseball man he is. Waiting over a month seems odd and I find it strange that there was no one inside baseball that could contact the Mets (or Diamondbacks when he worked for them).
Some of you guys are better at knowing the legalities and maybe this was the only way. What Porter did was wrong and the Mets did the right thing, but having the Mets announce the hire - a year after they had to rescind the Beltran hire could have been avoided. I also understand the real issue is this woman's safety and not the Mets front office. Did ESPN or the woman want Porter to be hired so this got the attention desired?
absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".
absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".
I agree, I doubt anyone with MLB knew, they'd probably have said something, especially with Theo now in a role with MLB and this I think happening when he was with the Cubs. I don't see any way this is good for MLB.
And I hate how people are trying to pin this on the Mets.
They conducted a traditional and acceptable background check, it's not like this guy is interviewing for a job with homeland or the CIA. And then the grandstanding women in the media with 2020 hind sight "did you interview any women before hiring him?"
If he worked with women maybe that would have made sense, but otherwise you interview the colleagues, bosses, and direct reports, etc. the person has. And who knows maybe this is the only woman he sent dick picks to, would that satisfy them if the Mets had interviewed a woman who said good things?
Porter deserves what he got, but the Mets are not culpable here any more than they were for the Beltran hiring. In fact probably less than the Beltran hiring.
But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
Aren’t Bieniemy’s issues mostly about traffic offenses and a fight he got into 20 years ago?
I think that there’s something abuse, assault on a (female) parking lot attendant and participation in a coverup about systemic rape at UC.
Someone who follows him more closely can speak to veracity but suffice it to say that there is a *lot* of baggage that includes allegations of mistreatment of women.
Definitely shady it comes out 4 years later and DMM 100 percent fired or resigned.
Pretty sure sending dick pics is understood in every culture.
dick pics are universally understood
Quote:
...maybe it was a cultural misunderstanding?
Pretty sure sending dick pics is understood in every culture.
Maybe they have different intent in other cultures. Like how the Maasi spit at each other to say hello.
Thats too bad, he seemed like a good GM too.
meanwhile ESPN could've reported this 4 years ago and still kept her anonymous.
they waited for him to get a job first? the media is horrible.
he's a piece of shit too but I'm sure he's not the first person to do this.
how many more screenshots are they sitting on?
Guy clearly made a mistake, but if you read that article, she 100% led him on in the beginning.
The woman met Porter in an elevator at Yankee Stadium on June 26, 2016. She said they talked briefly - the only time they ever spoke, she told ESPN - about international baseball prospects and exchanged business cards.
Porter began texting her the afternoon they met and, before the day was over, had asked her three times to get a drink. The woman said she agreed to meet Porter because she thought he was volunteering himself as a source and expected they would discuss baseball. Porter asked in a text if she had a boyfriend; the woman said that at the time, she believed he was simply being friendly, as she did not think someone she barely knew would be so forward. YEAH RIGHT, I'M SURE. That night, after she said she couldn't meet with him but would the next day, Porter sent an unsolicited selfie.
"Like?" he asked.
She did not respond.
"If I had a better understanding - not just of the language, but the culture - I definitely would've realized sooner what was going on," the woman told ESPN. OMFG
Porter texted again the next day, according to the messages, and attempts by both to set up a meeting fell through. On July 19, 2016, he reached out to her again, inquiring as to her whereabouts and asking: "Why aren't we hanging out??" Porter asked whether the woman remembered what he looked like and said: "You're so pretty. Do you have a boyfriend yet?" He sent a selfie and said: "It can be me!"
The woman responded with text shorthand indicating laughter and added: "let's meet." Porter asked her for a picture. In her home country, the woman told ESPN, "it's very common for friends of the opposite sex to send each other photos. I didn't think much of it." GTFO
After she sent a selfie, Porter responded: "You're gorgeous. Want more of me?"
She said yes, explaining to ESPN: "I thought it would be awkward to say no. I didn't think of where it would progress."
You know what he's guilty of? Chasing too hard and not having any game or sense whatsoever. She didn't tell him no, to stop, and instead led him on, and when she did, he said he was sorry and stopped. FFS. And then she has the fucking balls 4 years later to try to fuck up his life while she gets to enjoy anonymity. I hope he outs her, she's a cold bitch.
And yeah, I fully expect you white knights to defend her, and that's bullshit. Some of these girls want the attention, but as soon as they decide they don't want the attention anymore, instead of putting on their big girl panties and just telling a dude she's not interested, will fuck him over without giving him a second thought.
I know, he sent her an unsolicited dick pick. He should've known better. But her innocent "oh I didn't really realize he was hitting on me because I'm a foreigner" routine shouldn't fool anyone although I'm sure it will some.
Porter shouldn't lose his job because he's bad at wooing a woman and texted a penis 4 and a half years ago. That's idiotic. What he should do is apologize, and everyone move on. He held up his end, and then ESPN, because they have zero integrity, ran this story to make her this victim, when she was an active participant in what happened. FUCK THAT BITCH AND EVERY BITCH LIKE HER.
She said yes, explaining to ESPN: "I thought it would be awkward to say no. I didn't think of where it would progress."
Porter sent three pictures, including the first of several that would show a man lying on a bed with a bulge in his pants. The woman said she initially was confused.
"Like?" Porter wrote.
She laughed again and texted yes, though she told ESPN that she didn't realize the intention of the photo taken on the bed. "You are not married?" she asked.
This is insulting. He came right out and asked her if she had a boyfriend right from the beginning...and she plays along all this time, then she asks him about his status. Why would you do that, why would you say you liked his pictures, give me a break.
do the men not act like animals in her country? did she not know she was in the united states of #metoo? she'd probably still have a job if she came out back then.
espn is scum. last night Bomani Jones was crying that no black HC candidates got jobs so far(basically bienemy) but when someone told him Leslie Frazier was a leading candidate for the Houston job he said he hopes he doesn't take it because its a bad opportunity. WTF? its bad for Frazier but ok for Bienemy?! pick a fucking side! lol
Look, WHO GIVES A FUCK if he comes off as a loser to some woman he's hitting on. I don't know many men who've never hit on a woman and looked like a complete asshole and made an embarrassment of himself. He's not employed by the Mets to be Rico Suave. He's employed by the Mets to analyze players and make good personnel decisions.
Was it a bad look, yes. Could she have nipped it in the bud from the get go? Also yes. And yet she gets to run his name through the mud for something 4 years ago...where were you and what were you doing 4 years ago? And she gets to do this completely anonymously. And yet, he owned up to his mistake, told her he was sorry, and she still thought about suing him. That's sick. Honestly she's way worse of a human being than a single guy trying to score with a woman he thinks is hot.
His self-awareness is awful, because you can't send that many texts with no response, but keep in mind he was single and she HAD given him signs she was interested. Ridiculous. Why should he get fired for this? It wasn't even during his employment with the Mets.
No bro. This shit needs to be said. There are good women who would call this trifling bitch out for the same shit, too.
It has nothing to do with a fan or a sexist side. I already know that the sheer volume of texts is cringeworthy, but you're going to fire a guy because he was overzealous in chasing a woman and has no game? When all she had to do was text back and say "STOP, NOT INTERESTED," and once she did finally tell him to stop, he apologized and did what she asked?
And there isn't a woman alive under 50 years old, under 250 lbs, and probably most over 250 lbs, who has a smartphone in the last 20 years, tat has never gotten a dick pick. Let's stop with the pearl clutching. Like she can't handle seeing a picture of a penis? Yeah, I know it's not right, and I've only done it once and it was only by request, but come on.
I do, I want him as our GM. I don't think some horribly executed, failed strategy and bedding a woman 4 years ago should change a damn thing.
Dude. On what planet are those two things the same?
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yeah ok, she really didn't understand, "You're beautiful, do you have a boyfriend." She knew. I knew one of you saps would fall for this bullshit. Stop putting a bitch on a pedestal. She's not worthy of being up there. There are women who are worthy, she's not a victim. Her name needs to come out.
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your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
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She asked espn not to run the story then because she was afraid of retaliation. Not crazy of her. She got out of the business and espn asked to run the story and she said yes and wanted to keep anonymous because in her country women do not have the same equalities. And coming from someone who has actually married a woman whose 1st language isn’t English and who grew up in a different culture, certain things can be misunderstood. We don’t know this woman’s grasp of the English language. She could have been reporting exclusively for a network that only needed her to know that language. All in all it’s not a good look.
Yeah ok, she really didn't understand, "You're beautiful, do you have a boyfriend." She knew. I knew one of you saps would fall for this bullshit. Stop putting a bitch on a pedestal. She's not worthy of being up there. There are women who are worthy, she's not a victim. Her name needs to come out.
Lmao. Your name needs to come out. I’m worried.
BECAUSE SHE LED HIM ON! How are you completely absolving her from any responsibility in this? Why wouldn't he continue chasing her if when he asks if she wants more of him, she says "YES" and had agreed to go have drinks with him after he asked if she had a boyfriend and was telling her she's beautiful? And spare me, she's not a co-worker. He's a single guy trying to shoot his shot, and it went disastrously, in some part because of her leading him on. Why is this even news? It's gross, and a railroad job.
Seriously, what's the crime here? Guy over-zealously hits on girl, sends a dick pic. What? This is nonsense.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
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your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
Who said she wants to advance her career? Follow along, numbnuts. When I said she thought it would be good for her career, it was DURING THE ACTUAL events of the story 4 years ago. Reading comprehension, try it.
They are both partially to blame, but only one of them is railroading the other 4 years later.
Jared Porter is the guy you’re gonna cry about losing? Get a grip man.
Dude, it's 2021. Buy a fucking clue.
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your issue is that you assume that if she said “stop, not interested” that Porter would have stopped.
Really? Because he did stop when she finally did say something. Dudes like you are allowing women in this country to treat men like they are subjects. She had an active role in encouraging him. She acted like any interested woman would. He made his intentions plainly obvious from the beginning, and she went along with it. And she probably did so because she probably thought it would be good for her career. So she was probably trying to use him. Then when she changed her mind, she ghosted him instead of just being an adult and telling him so.
Yes she wants to advance her career by anonymously having someone run this story while she is out of journalism.
Who said she wants to advance her career? Follow along, numbnuts. When I said she thought it would be good for her career, it was DURING THE ACTUAL events of the story 4 years ago. Reading comprehension, try it.
I think you’re the one that needs to start doing some following.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
You know why? I've met girls like this. I've seen other women try to destroy a man's life. Women like this are cold-hearted. They prey upon men, they act so innocent and they don't care the damage that is done to the man's life, as long as they look like an innocent victim who was wronged by the horrible surly man, when they are just as responsible.
I've shared a personal story on here before I think about this kind of girl, and happy to do it again.
I know a guy who was falsely accused of rape/sexual assault (not me, though it could have easily been me). Until you've been on that side of a woman who you think likes you and then broadsides you with accusations to the entire world that could basically ruin your life, you really don't understand.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
Thumbs up, Ryan.
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BECAUSE SHE LED HIM ON!
Dude, it's 2021. Buy a fucking clue.
I have a clue, and it doesn't matter what year it is. Stop allowing women to fuck over dudes this way. This white knight bullshit is wrong.
I’m sorry that happened to your friend. But ya know, that’s 1 situation out of oh...millions? Jesus. Everything isn’t the same my friend.
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it doesn’t seem like you read the full article. Because he didn’t stop when she actually said ok dude that’s enough. He actually sent her MORE texts after that. He didn’t stop. He sent multiple messages. He sent her a pic from Dodger stadium after that. Jesus dude. Why the fuck do you think he did that? Because he was hoping that she’d respond, but she didn’t. We get it man. Obviously a lot of the time women are definitely using this shit to their advantage but guess what, a lot of times they aren’t, and it’s 2020 dude. Sorry but you can’t be a GM of a baseball team and behave this way. Nobody is saying he shouldn’t be forgiven or be able to work in sports. It’s all good there.
But you’re getting really defensive about this and it’s weird.
You know why? I've met girls like this. I've seen other women try to destroy a man's life. Women like this are cold-hearted. They prey upon men, they act so innocent and they don't care the damage that is done to the man's life, as long as they look like an innocent victim who was wronged by the horrible surly man, when they are just as responsible.
I've shared a personal story on here before I think about this kind of girl, and happy to do it again.
I know a guy who was falsely accused of rape/sexual assault (not me, though it could have easily been me). Until you've been on that side of a woman who you think likes you and then broadsides you with accusations to the entire world that could basically ruin your life, you really don't understand.
Jim, I am sorry that happened to you. That sucks to have that happen. But it’s also not okay for the guy who has the upper hand in the situation to take advantage either. And that’s what’s happening here as well.
Cool man, what the fuck does that even mean? First of all, you don’t know this woman, you don’t even know who the fuck she is! Secondly, nobody gives a shit if you’ve met shitty women. It’s not some special card that you get to have in order to seem smart about this conversation.
I’m sorry that happened to your friend. But ya know, that’s 1 situation out of oh...millions? Jesus. Everything isn’t the same my friend.
I'm not the only one. And something happened to me, too.
I'll share it. As for the texts after she asked him to stop, here they are:
Oh I'm sorry
I will stop
I really apologize
I'm sorry
Pic of Dodger Stadium
Then nothing. Really shitty guy there.
Cool man, what the fuck does that even mean? First of all, you don’t know this woman, you don’t even know who the fuck she is! Secondly, nobody gives a shit if you’ve met shitty women. It’s not some special card that you get to have in order to seem smart about this conversation.
Yeah it is. This is what she did...led him on until she decided otherwise, didn't tell him, and then he's wondering wtf happened, maybe something happened, maybe I can save the situation, whatever, and all she has to say is she's not interested and not to text her. And "power of her"? That's some shit right there. He's not her boss. They don't work for the same company. She was a member of the press...who REALLY has the power there? It ain't him, and this story is proof of that.
I hope he's not.
And I’d be willing to bet my mortgage that he’s done this to other women. Anyone with half a fucking brain would agree with that. Which again, is NOT a crime, it’s just shitty sexual behavior that just doesn’t jive with the current times
Jim this guy is getting canned. Go to bed knowing that. It’ll be easier tomorrow morning.
Nobody like that should be in charge of any kind of organization.
Nobody like that should be in charge of any kind of organization.
Gary, love the logic. But Jim’s point is he made a great trade and women can lie.
We had really great romantic chemistry on the date. She sat on my lap in a park after and we ended up kissing. I didn't have anything else planned to do at this point of the date, so I asked her what she wanted to do. She said, "I want to go to your place."
We go to my house, and we start messing around. A lot of passion, heavy petting, but this was our first date and she was 17, I think. Things were getting really intense, but I purposefully kept things in the living room rather than go to the bedroom because I thought it was too soon. Now, there's a lot of hand play, I'm touching her boobs and stuff under her shirt, we're both hot and heavy. She looks me right in the eyes and says, "what do you want me to do to you." That is verbatim. Which took me aback a bit, and then she looked down, obviously I'm stiff as a board.
I said, "you can touch it." She reaches in my pants and starts giving me a handy. I stopped things very shortly after that because I didn't want to have sex with her on the first date, I really felt it would ruin things and I really liked her, I wanted to try to have a relationship with her. So after I said let's cool down, and a bit after that she asked if I could take her home, it was in the wee hours of the morning and we'd be going at it for awhile, and obviously she still lived with her parents.
I take her home and we're sitting in my car, and she says, "I FEEL LIKE YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME."
I was flabbergasted. Blind-sided. Someone who was totally into the throes with me, and probably would've fucked me silly if I didn't slow things down, and she says something that scared the daylights out of me. When a girl says that, what does it mean? Does it mean she's going to accuse you of sexual assault? Because what actually happened was in that moment, she felt guilty for taking things that far, and felt slutty, and decided it was my fault.
We knew all the same people. Was she going to merely just damage my reputation or make a serious accusation? I didn't know, but I knew right then I was scared shitless of her and never wanted to see her again in an instant.
I really can't explain that feeling in that moment. But I'll never act like a woman doesn't have her own agency. You guys are acting like she was some damsel in distress, and by doing that you rob her of her own agency and responsibility in what happened. That's bullshit, and if you were a true "feminist" you wouldn't act like she was powerless when she truly wasn't. Thanks if you read this far.
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
We had really great romantic chemistry on the date. She sat on my lap in a park after and we ended up kissing. I didn't have anything else planned to do at this point of the date, so I asked her what she wanted to do. She said, "I want to go to your place."
We go to my house, and we start messing around. A lot of passion, heavy petting, but this was our first date and she was 17, I think. Things were getting really intense, but I purposefully kept things in the living room rather than go to the bedroom because I thought it was too soon. Now, there's a lot of hand play, I'm touching her boobs and stuff under her shirt, we're both hot and heavy. She looks me right in the eyes and says, "what do you want me to do to you." That is verbatim. Which took me aback a bit, and then she looked down, obviously I'm stiff as a board.
I said, "you can touch it." She reaches in my pants and starts giving me a handy. I stopped things very shortly after that because I didn't want to have sex with her on the first date, I really felt it would ruin things and I really liked her, I wanted to try to have a relationship with her. So after I said let's cool down, and a bit after that she asked if I could take her home, it was in the wee hours of the morning and we'd be going at it for awhile, and obviously she still lived with her parents.
I take her home and we're sitting in my car, and she says, "I FEEL LIKE YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME."
I was flabbergasted. Blind-sided. Someone who was totally into the throes with me, and probably would've fucked me silly if I didn't slow things down, and she says something that scared the daylights out of me. When a girl says that, what does it mean? Does it mean she's going to accuse you of sexual assault? Because what actually happened was in that moment, she felt guilty for taking things that far, and felt slutty, and decided it was my fault.
We knew all the same people. Was she going to merely just damage my reputation or make a serious accusation? I didn't know, but I knew right then I was scared shitless of her and never wanted to see her again in an instant.
I really can't explain that feeling in that moment. But I'll never act like a woman doesn't have her own agency. You guys are acting like she was some damsel in distress, and by doing that you rob her of her own agency and responsibility in what happened. That's bullshit, and if you were a true "feminist" you wouldn't act like she was powerless when she truly wasn't. Thanks if you read this far.
I hate when 17 year olds act like that!
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Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
Also, let’s think about this: How many countries send reporters to the US to cover baseball? Could be Latin American, more likely East Asian. If she is from Korea, Japan or Taiwan I can easily believe that that she was confused. That is a big cultural gap.
When I was single I tried to date some Asian immigrant girls. It never worked, partly because they seemed to have very different notions of how I was supposed to behave and what I should do to pursue them.
As for him, well, the crotch pics and dick pic are WAYYY out of line. Yeah it’s a long-Ish time ago. I don’t know what the Mets should do. But in a PR-sensitive business he has a big problem and so does his employer.
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Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
Alright cheers, mate.
Maybe I can use this to My Advantage some day
But the thing is even if she was an operator, he still fell for it. If she did not respond to numerous texts that is a clear negative signal,’You cannot send a pornographic picture
It may not represent who he is, Might have been a stupid drunken text. But he is still going to get nailed in terms of public perception
she gave enough to misinterpret...with some mixed signals...based on language or whatever....and he took it and ran with it......
I am assuming they never did meet up for drinks/date.....if he is under the impression that she was interested.....he might conclude that they never connected..because he didn't push enough..... Who knows.
I also assuming that he apologized as soon as she made clear her actual intentions.....which is the right thing to do.
I am not sure if there was any malice....poor assumption and judgement, yes.
Yes...she was somewhat damaged but not intentionally...I do not see this as death sentence on his part
Formal public apology......
I don’t care how they met, how much she may have played up to him, when it happened vs when it was reported, or what he says now.
60 unreturned text messages is bizarre and pathetic. Doesn’t matter if you agreed to trade pics in the past...after maybe 2-3 unreturned texts, you walk the fuck away and leave her alone.
The fact players pull a lot of shit like this doesn’t somehow excuse his behavior. A buddy of mine worked for the Orioles several years back, you should see the texts his girlfriend used to get from Rafael Palmeiro.
But for someone in a position of leadership over said players? Yeah, bye.
Porter’s young. He can evolve. He just can’t have THIS job.
Is that situation different because Sterger was clearly looking for attention on getting those out there to further her media career?
Was Porter wrong, absolutely. I am sure if you look hard enough, you can find something in everyone's past. The timing of this just sucks, similar to the Beltran situation. My hope is that Cohen stands by Porter and says everyone makes mistakes and allows him to keep his job.
I am really curious as to the timing of all of this. As the article alluded to, this women is no longer in the sports media and asked to run the story. Has she been out long; did she just leave; is it at slow news cycle over at ESPN?
BINGO!!!
What type of idiot doesn't get that NO response is a response?
I guess Jim can answer that?
Sending 5 unanswered texts borders on harrasment, sending > 10 certainly, and > 20 moves into the realm of psychopathic obsession.
>60!!!!
IMHO, I'm not a psychiatrist.
Texting and cameras have dramatically changed how we interact with other people (I know, Captain Obvious). I wonder how many of us middle aged and older would have been, if we had that device in our hands, at 17-25? We may have gotten laid more due to sheer numbers, but many of us would have gotten into a bunch of trouble.
no brainer, and good for Cohen for being decisive about it
this guy would have to be a moron to think this is ok and feel like "I just wanted her to go out with me so I sent her a dick pick, what's the big deal?"
her response and action are questionable - I do question how much a victim she actually is but I don't know - I don't think a language barrier should prevent her from saying that's gross don't send me naked pictures of yourself - at least if she said "knock it off" one time (maybe she did?) I could see this being worse from her perspective, I do think she probably knew what was happening (but this is all conjecture based on the story - I could be wrong, but usually they try and make it worse for the victim - and did not in this story), ESPN is also reprehensible because they likely sat on it knowing Porter would wind up in a role like this one day and the story would have a bigger impact, but to be clear this is 100% on Porter.
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Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
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BECAUSE SHE LED HIM ON!
Dude, it's 2021. Buy a fucking clue.
I have a clue, and it doesn't matter what year it is. Stop allowing women to fuck over dudes this way. This white knight bullshit is wrong.
You sound like someone that speaks from experience of harassment.
You have to wonder what she had to gain in revealing this four years later, but he was wrong in the first place.
The kind of guy that camps on the side of "she did not respond, and that would have stopped it, so it's not really harrassment" is pretty much the same type of person that would TAKE ANY RESPONSE AT ALL, EVEN A FIRM STOP! as a type of encouragement, probably...
Penis brain thinks: " hey, she's answering my dick pics!"
GTFO with ANY justification to that
behavior.
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Texts to stop texting. Her telling him that it is unprofessional and unwanted, etc is what scared him into saying sorry. If she hasn’t text you back after text... idk I’ll give you 3, she doesn’t want you. Don’t apologize after she told you you crossed a line. You should know that 60+ texts that go unanswered is crossing the line. And if you don’t...
Yes, you and I know that. But guess what, some guys are socially retarded when it comes to women. And I mean socially retarded in the literal sense. He just might be really, really bad at this and great at baseball stuff. There might be a reason he's still single.
The man side of your brain functions, Jim. The other side does not. I think the story you just mentioned is messing with you and interfering with future relationships with women.
I've been happily married for 13 years now. And I'd bet a thousand bucks my wife would call out this chick quicker than me.
And some of you need to learn what harassment is. Sending 60 unanswered texts is embarrassing and cringey. But unless she asked him to stop and he continued, that's not harassment. When she asked him to stop, he apologized, acknowledged her, and stopped. Ok, there was an extra pic of Dodger Stadium, which is weird, but then he truly stopped contacting her. There was zero sexual texts after she asked him to stop. Zero attempts at trying get more responses from her. In the end, he did the right thing by cutting off contact with her, honoring her wishes.
She should've done that as soon as she realized he wanted something that she didn't, but instead, she misled him, saying things like she wanted more pics of him and asking if he was married. You don't do that to a dude when you aren't interested, period. And because she has agency and she's a full-grown woman, she needs to fucking own her shit and you guys need to stop excusing her for it.
You do not understand, are engaging in counter-revolutionary thinking and displaying bad attitude. It is necessary in order to maintain the revolution for this counter-revolutionary to be publicly denounced, confess his error, receive punishment, and re-educated. Perhaps after he has been rehabilitated, he can find something useful to do like be a gardener. In the meantime, remember, the nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered.
Yes, thinking dick pics are appropriate is akin to falling victim to the Reign of Terror's fourth wave.
You've got a 3:15 on January 22nd at your town square, please be sure to shave the back of your neck.
It has nothing to do with a fan or a sexist side. I already know that the sheer volume of texts is cringeworthy, but you're going to fire a guy because he was overzealous in chasing a woman and has no game? When all she had to do was text back and say "STOP, NOT INTERESTED," and once she did finally tell him to stop, he apologized and did what she asked?
And there isn't a woman alive under 50 years old, under 250 lbs, and probably most over 250 lbs, who has a smartphone in the last 20 years, tat has never gotten a dick pick. Let's stop with the pearl clutching. Like she can't handle seeing a picture of a penis? Yeah, I know it's not right, and I've only done it once and it was only by request, but come on.
Dude, you need to take a step back. He wasn't just chasing a woman, he was chasing a woman who could potentially cover the team he works for. To send a pic like that is the ultimate in unprofessionalism.
And your last paragraph is despicable. You're a better poster than that. He's a GM, get over it, the next person will be fine.
Regardless of any other parties actions this incident showed remarkably bad judgement by Porter not so far back in the past. In 2016 he was 37, not 17, interacting with someone he met on a professional level not someone he matched with on tinder. Instead of thinking about this punitively the key question is whether or not Porter can be trusted to be a key leader of a billion dollar business?
The debate/decision shouldn't be whether he broke a law or re the righteousness of what he did - though there doesn't seem to be any major disagreement there, nobody seems to think what he did was kosher, nor does anyone seem to think he deserves anything beyond not being in a high profile job almost entirely dependent on good judgement.
So if you were Steve Cohen would you trust his judgement and bet your $2b brand on him or move on?
This is a cultural revolution and the sooner people like allstarjim realize it and get on board, the better.
It's a good look.
Regardless of any other parties actions this incident showed remarkably bad judgement by Porter not so far back in the past. In 2016 he was 37, not 17, interacting with someone he met on a professional level not someone he matched with on tinder. Instead of thinking about this punitively the key question is whether or not Porter can be trusted to be a key leader of a billion dollar business?
The debate/decision shouldn't be whether he broke a law or re the righteousness of what he did - though there doesn't seem to be any major disagreement there, nobody seems to think what he did was kosher, nor does anyone seem to think he deserves anything beyond not being in a high profile job almost entirely dependent on good judgement.
So if you were Steve Cohen would you trust his judgement and bet your $2b brand on him or move on?
This is a great post. I had said above maybe Steve gives him a chance to redeem himself. I am thinking more in the lines of normal people here. He just spent $2B on a franchise and this is not the type of person you would want running your baseball team.
technology has enabled actions like this, and many of them I'm sure stay private, but when you have aspirations to be in a public facing role (like a pro sports team GM) you have another standard you are beholden to.
You can question how much of a victim the reporter is in this case based on her actions and the story as it's written (there are some holes/questions), but it doesn't change that what Porter did epitomizes poor judgment from a position where judgment is a critical.
The decision for Cohen was easy and Mets fans should be happy it was made so swiftly.
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I have no idea .I have an organization of 400 employees that matter more than any one individual. No action would of set a poor example to the culture I’m trying to build
we don't need these people in our society!
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I have no idea .I have an organization of 400 employees that matter more than any one individual. No action would of set a poor example to the culture I’m trying to build
Good answer
we don't need these people in our society!
You can act hyperbolic about it, that's your right. From what I know there isn't even a criminal complaint and there probably shouldn't be, but at the same time there is no obligation for Steve Cohen to keep him employed as the public face of his franchise.
If this had been revealed prior to being hired, he likely wouldn't have been hired, but at least Cohen would have had a choice. Now Cohen had none.
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
Go fuck yourself.
You do not understand, are engaging in counter-revolutionary thinking and displaying bad attitude. It is necessary in order to maintain the revolution for this counter-revolutionary to be publicly denounced, confess his error, receive punishment, and re-educated. Perhaps after he has been rehabilitated, he can find something useful to do like be a gardener. In the meantime, remember, the nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered.
WTF are you talking about? I definitely think we need to put him in the gulag for a couple of years for his re-education.
The kind of guy that camps on the side of "she did not respond, and that would have stopped it, so it's not really harrassment" is pretty much the same type of person that would TAKE ANY RESPONSE AT ALL, EVEN A FIRM STOP! as a type of encouragement, probably...
Penis brain thinks: " hey, she's answering my dick pics!"
GTFO with ANY justification to that
behavior.
I was talking about the legal definition of harassment. Harassment is continuing behavior after the person has communicated that it is unwanted. No communication is certainly understood by many of us what that means, but from a legal standpoint, in my layman understanding, the person has to actually say something or have it communicated the behavior is unwanted for it to be harassment. The thing most of you don't get is that I agree with almost all of your opinions on him...it WAS pathetic. He DEFINITELY should have realized that she wasn't in to him well before 60 texts. And, an unsolicited dick pick is wrong and unprofessional.
We see eye to eye on all that.
What we don't see eye to eye on is this: If I'm a woman who has received a picture of a dude who sends me a pic of his bulge, and I say I like it and want to see more, and ask about his marital status...and then the guy continues, even if it's cringey, then I tell him to stop and he apologizes and stops, then I hang on to the texts and wait four and a half years and ANONYMOUSLY destroy his life over these texts, I'm the worst bitch in the world. She gets to sit back and enjoy anonymity while his world burns down. And Passan and Kimes are terrible humans.
Some of you need to understand that the "revolution" or whatever the fuck should mean treating women as equals, but that doesn't mean subserviant, and it doesn't mean women are absolved from their responsibility and behavior also.
BTW, I also understood Cohen's answer, and it was a good one, even though I don't agree with his decision. To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
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BECAUSE SHE LED HIM ON!
Dude, it's 2021. Buy a fucking clue.
I have a clue, and it doesn't matter what year it is. Stop allowing women to fuck over dudes this way. This white knight bullshit is wrong.
You sound like someone that speaks from experience of harassment.
Yup, I sure do. I've had my crotch and my ass (twice) un-wanting-ly grabbed in the workplace. You know what I did? Nothing, because I didn't think it was worth it to hurt someone's career over something stupid they did. Further, I would never use a situation like that try for personal gain at the expense of another.
To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
In the end, Porter is replaceable.
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To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
In the end, Porter is replaceable.
Very well put
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To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
this isn't a legal argument my dude.
it's a business decision being made by a multi-billion dollar organization.
let's take out the argument that Porter's behavior was gross, inappropriate, and childish (because clearly you don't agree with that sentiment). Let's stick to business and logic:
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on in exchange for new coverage on this matter every single day for the next month or so?
~Are the Mets willing to keep him on at the risk of alienating BOTH female and male employees who would be disappointed by him not being fired?
~Are they willing to keep him on at the risk that he potentially does this with ANOTHER WOMAN (maybe even an employee or subordinate) and expose themselves to massive amounts of litigation risk?
Let me know what you think the correct answers are to these questions. I'm pretty sure any rational person would say absolutely NO.
In the end, Porter is replaceable.
I agree with all that. Still empathize with the guy. I was commenting on the legal part because some people were saying it's sexual harassment, and I don't believe that's the case because of what I explained above...harassment is by definition, unwanted sexual attention (for lack of a better word). But when she responded via text in the affirmative that she liked his advances, that is communicating it's unwanted. To any logical person who understands social norms, being ghosted is communicating that you're not wanted. However, there's no defining line on when that crosses over from, "hey, you still there" to, "you're harassing me." She actually has to tell him to stop, and she did eventually, and when she did, he did.
I can justify the decision by Cohen and your rationale above. I can also believe the whole thing is a damn shame and she's worse of a human than Porter.
I've seen a lot of other posts showing empathy to Porter. Not just here, twitter and elsewhere.
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
I understand what you're saying, to a point I agree. Where I disagree is the absolution of a woman having any responsibility whatsoever like they have no agency or power to stand up for themselves. If we are treating women as people with power, then why are we acting like her leading him on and then not sooner telling him to stop was not a factor in this story? Why is she 100% the victim and Porter is 100% the guilty party? She was not an employee of Porter's. He had no real power over her where her career would be in jeopardy for not responding to his advances. Indeed, when she asked him to stop, he said she could still go to him for anything for work.
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Bringing the stupid on this thread. Clueless.
Go fuck yourself.
OK, sure thing.
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
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some sort of an objective here to rate who is a "better human"?
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
Look - I think as a society we go way too far in villifying people and the Cancel Culture behind it. And things like this probably shouldn't impact a hiring decision, but that's where we are.
I hate the fact that things done years ago that aren't terrible acts have repercussions today - but that's where the blowback from people sitting on Social Media waiting to be outraged and act comes into play. There should be consequences for actions. I don't agree that those consequences need to be public shame and loss of a job.
In many ways - we've not grown very much since the Scarlet Letter or the Salem days.
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some sort of an objective here to rate who is a "better human"?
The only real question is if Porter is fit to be the GM. He could have sent pics of his junk to the devil - doesn't really change things.
FMiC, I just think the part of holding on to this for four years, then he gets a life-changing job and opportunity, and then running this, anonymously to boot, when you, the accuser, in some part encouraged and was a participant in the unwanted behavior, that is completely, irredeemingly despicable.
Look - I think as a society we go way too far in villifying people and the Cancel Culture behind it. And things like this probably shouldn't impact a hiring decision, but that's where we are.
I hate the fact that things done years ago that aren't terrible acts have repercussions today - but that's where the blowback from people sitting on Social Media waiting to be outraged and act comes into play. There should be consequences for actions. I don't agree that those consequences need to be public shame and loss of a job.
In many ways - we've not grown very much since the Scarlet Letter or the Salem days.
100% agree.
Framing it this way without nuance or context is exactly why Porter is out of a job and speaks to the post FMiC made just below yours. We truly haven't come very far since the scarlett letter days.
Even now, the way the story is released it doesn't reveal the reporter's identity or any characteristics about her beyond that she's not American. So today, when in theory the story "can't her career" because she's no longer n journalism they still don't reveal any personally identifiable characteristics of the woman.
Anything else ESPN claims is disingenuous IMO.
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THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
Imo there's a very big difference in the following 2 recipient scenarios even if Porter sent the exact same 60 texts:
a) someone in his personal life - snapchat, tinder, whatever
b) someone in his professional life where literally every employee agrees to a code of conduct (esp if you're an exec).
He opened himself up to this problem not just with his specific texts but by mixing personal with professional. That was his choice and it is a shame that he self sabotaged a promising career with something stupid. But that's not anyone else's fault. He owns all of it.
If anyone on this thread texted a pic of their junk to anyone their work with, or a vendor, unsolicited, and their employer found out, what do you expect would happen?
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could we find someone sympathetic to the true victim here, the multi millionaire baseball GM who sent unsolicited dick pics.
Framing it this way without nuance or context is exactly why Porter is out of a job and speaks to the post FMiC made just below yours. We truly haven't come very far since the scarlett letter days.
Give me a fucking break.
There's plenty of opportunity for context and nuance. This isn't that.
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THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
Again with the hysterical histrionics.
What if you don't shoot him in the head in front of his mother, but you also don't want him as the guy with the "keys" to your professional sports team because you don't know if this was a momentary lapse of poor judgment or a pattern and frankly you don't give a shit (if you own the team).
Or is not keeping him on as Mets GM the same thing as shooting him in the head in front of his mother.
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THROW HIM IN JAIL. guy fails at pulling a foreign reporter and doesn't get the point until after she says he crossed the line? throw him in the back of a van with his entire family and drive it off a cliff!
we don't need these people in our society!
I can't honestly believe that some people think that this situation is just a case of a guy having bad game or trying and failing to bang a chick. And the fact that you don't know the difference between that and what was actually happening, is really fucked up
no but the idea that someone can pull a dark shitty time in your life out of a hat once you work your self up to a big position is bullshit.
theres no perfect time to out someone for wrong doing. you do it when it happens. she was so worried he would keep acting this way with others? well wheres the bread crumbs? wheres the bill cosby list of victims?
what if the guy changed his ways after this incident? and it was a shitty dark time in his life where he wasn't making sound decisions?
he wasn't even physical with her, 60 desperate sounding text messages? really? what if she was on a limited cell plan? you know what take this guy out back and shoot him in the head in front of his mother.
Again with the hysterical histrionics.
What if you don't shoot him in the head in front of his mother, but you also don't want him as the guy with the "keys" to your professional sports team because you don't know if this was a momentary lapse of poor judgment or a pattern and frankly you don't give a shit (if you own the team).
Or is not keeping him on as Mets GM the same thing as shooting him in the head in front of his mother.
I'm more outraged with the woman, Passan, Kimes, and ESPN than I am with Cohen for firing Porter.
It's a shame, but I understand the reasoning.
this isn't someone from Hollywood making an off-color joke and the media and elite having an over the top reaction.
this is not some old social media posts made during some youthful indiscretion that were questionable being used years later to impugn someone's character
this was a 35-year old man, who felt like the way to get the attention of a woman who was ignoring him was to send a picture of his (or someone's) erect genitals.
He is not being charged with a crime, but he's also not being allowed to stay in a role where it would reflect negatively on his employer.
People have recovered from such transgressions maybe he will to, but even if you don't have an issue with sending unsolicited dick picks (you're insane if you think that's ok), Porter is NOT the victim. This is not a Scarlet Letter scenario, that was consenting adults, this was unwanted and inappropriate.
Waaay too late for that.
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Waaay too late for that.
Seriously, I would have thought maybe a good night's sleep after last night's horror show of victim shaming and oversharing might have changed the mindset. But here we are, doubling down on a losing hand and blaming literally everybody but the scumbag who committed the act. Incredible.
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Waaay too late for that.
Seriously, I would have thought maybe a good night's sleep after last night's horror show of victim shaming and oversharing might have changed the mindset. But here we are, doubling down on a losing hand and blaming literally everybody but the scumbag who committed the act. Incredible.
+1. He’s clueless.
Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.
Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.
And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.
Further, I'm not willing to take the story at 100% face value. It's a one-sided story, and even on that one side, as was earlier mentioned, her actions definitely contributed in part to what happened.
Imagine if she left facts out that Passan didn't report. I could definitely see Porter not adding to it in fear of making the situation worse. And that's the ugly side of this, the woman has 100% of the control over the outcome in these scenarios. I really hope none of you ever have to deal with a woman like this.
And no, this doesn't mean I condone sending unwanted dick pics. I think I've made that clear, it's foolish, childish, unprofessional, creepy, and gross. In case I have to make that more clear than I already have.
Porter has admitted it is true, and apologized for it.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
We can quibble all day about the woman's side, whether she led him on at all, if she was actually "victimized", etc etc, but none of that actually matters. The point is that a grown man shouldn't be sending pictures of his wedding tackle to a woman he barely knows when she has clearly displayed she isn't interested and didn't ask to see his dick. He's embarrassed the organization and raised serious questions about his judgment and professionalism.
Because the former is a crime, the latter isn't. I actually agree with the rest of your post, though. No issue with any of that.
"Harassment, under the laws of the United States, is defined as any repeated or continuing uninvited contact that serves no useful purpose beyond creating alarm, annoyance, or emotional distress."
Outrage of the outrage doesn't balance things out. There are certain cases where I'd take pause and think that "things have gone too far here" but this isn't one of them.
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Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
Maybe you'll figure it out eventually.
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"The Mets won their last championship using this phone, and we feel confident going forward Nokia, an established leader in their field."
LOL.
It's taken usual turns for sure.
How in 2016 did he not think this would be saved
I, as well as many parents, every day remind our kids not to send anything that they may regret later This guy was 36 at the time
If this came out 4 years ago he would have been gone then. You are in a high level position in a high level business that is extremely public
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
Curious what the 17 year old would say about this. They always say there are 3 sides to the story, his side, her side, and the truth. She may not have seen things the same way you were seeing them and you didn't even realize it.
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It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
Theo was recently hired by MLB, could be a little bit ugly if they find out he knew.
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Supposedly she went to someone in the Cubs organization who did not want to get in the middle of it. I wonder ifTheo knew?
Theo was recently hired by MLB, could be a little bit ugly if they find out he knew.
Yeah, not a good look.
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It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
And because of that experience, you know all about all woman in situations like this? You know nothing about this person. She's 100% in control of the situation? She sure wasn't in control when Porter decided to send what he did after 62 unanswered messages. Acting like Porter had no control of this situation is laughable. He's 100% responsible for his actions and the potential consequences. It's a good thing you're anonymous on here because what you've said on this thread is shameful. But you don't care about what any of us think. Cool, have a nice life.
Are you really giving me shit for 19 or 20 year old me for dating a 17 year old? That's pretty normal. She might've even been 18. LOL.
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Conflating this situation with a 17 year old girl you turned down and she went off the rails in reaction just doesn't align. You actually had the power over her, thus her angry emotional reaction and throwing you out the door of the moving car.
No real parallel between your experience and "the power that a woman can hold over a man without taking personal responsibility of their own behavior".
Wow that's rich, and also a pretty dumb and inaccurate summary of my story. And yeah, I didn't turn her down, and she didn't throw me out of a moving car. Perhaps you should stick to football Jon.
Maybe you'll figure it out eventually.
I'm pretty sure I got it covered, I lived it. K thanks.
Really made the day enjoyable.
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It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.
That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:
I don't feel bad at all for Porter, but do think the timing here for him is unfortunate. Had he been 'outed' in 2016 he likely would have paid for his discretions and be back in the game, but now he's basically untouchable.
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thread right here.
It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
lol, come on ASJ, you and I usually are on common ground with most issues, but you trotted out the fake conversation with your wife? That reeks of desperation. At least it wasn't your 6 year old asking you about politics.
That conversation might have happened, but for now i'm going to have to side with the venn diagram:
For the most part I'm an open book. I thought it was important to give a mature woman's perspective. I communicated the conversation (that actually happened) accurately.
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thread right here.
It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.
Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.
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It's taken usual turns for sure.
You almost have to admire allstarjim's determination to die on this hill
I have courage in my conviction. Last thing I'll say on it: I just told my wife about the whole story...the back and forth, the bulge pic, the dick pic, and the unresponded to 60 texts, then her telling him to stop, his apology texts, even the pic of Dodger Stadium. Her words, "It's bullshit. I'm tired of women like this, they make the rest of us look bad." Me, "he's still creepy though, right?" Her: "Yeah, he's stupid and gross, but she should've said something right from the beginning if that's how she felt."
Totally agree and I love my wife.
All due respect to the opinions of you and your wife, which you’re both entitled to...but to me there’s a difference between a woman weaponizing a bullshit sexual harassment claim to get her way or out of some form of retribution, and a guy sending 60 unreturned texts including dick pics.
Nothing absolves him in this case, IMO. We can agree to disagree.
The one thing I will say is I think I agree with most of the posters in this thread is that I don't think Porter is absolved of anything. I actually believe that Cohen made the right call (upon reflection). It's the right move for the termination. I was hopeful that he would have a second chance but it probably is the right move for him to get than second chance elsewhere. I agree with Cohen's statement he made. I don't absolve Porter. I've made that clear several times. What I disagree on is that she's a 100% an innocent victim in all this because she, for a time, was a participant in the back and forth. He sent a picture of his bulge, she said she liked it and asked if he was married. I don't know how anyone would think that's not a green light in the same situation. I've condemned his actions, especially the cock shot, and of course the 60 texts with no response is creepy and weird. But I also think there are two victims in this situation who both have some responsibility. We all agree Porter made his bed he's laying in. But sitting on it this long, and the fact that she could have just told him to stop much earlier rather than encouraging him, and the fact that he did stop and apologized once she did ask him to...I don't think that should be a death sentence for his career. It's an ugly mistake, but to me it's a really socially inept attempt at (a single man) wooing a woman into bed.
And that (very generally, not sending an unsolicited pic of your penis) to me is something that a lot of men have experienced without much blowback except for the immediate embarrassment. If you really feel women are powerful, intelligent beings with their own agency, how can you reconcile her actions (and inaction) as irrelevant? Certainly, a difference of cultural norms seems to be in part at play here, but that's a two-way street, and some extension of sympathy could be directed to Porter for his ignorance of those cultural differences. Remember, at this time, he wasn't at the lofty position of GM. And finally, none of that is stopping her 4.5 years later from dragging him and costing him his job.
There it is. That's my final post on this thread, and I appreciate those that took my words and my personal story at face value and that did not attempt to exaggerate my position on what he did, because I did repudiate his behavior from the beginning.
I was talking about the legal definition of harassment. Harassment is continuing behavior after the person has communicated that it is unwanted. No communication is certainly understood by many of us what that means, but from a legal standpoint, in my layman understanding, the person has to actually say something or have it communicated the behavior is unwanted for it to be harassment. The thing most of you don't get is that I agree with almost all of your opinions on him...it WAS pathetic. He DEFINITELY should have realized that she wasn't in to him well before 60 texts. And, an unsolicited dick pick is wrong and unprofessional.
We see eye to eye on all that.
What we don't see eye to eye on is this: If I'm a woman who has received a picture of a dude who sends me a pic of his bulge, and I say I like it and want to see more, and ask about his marital status...and then the guy continues, even if it's cringey, then I tell him to stop and he apologizes and stops, then I hang on to the texts and wait four and a half years and ANONYMOUSLY destroy his life over these texts, I'm the worst bitch in the world. She gets to sit back and enjoy anonymity while his world burns down. And Passan and Kimes are terrible humans.
Some of you need to understand that the "revolution" or whatever the fuck should mean treating women as equals, but that doesn't mean subserviant, and it doesn't mean women are absolved from their responsibility and behavior also.
BTW, I also understood Cohen's answer, and it was a good one, even though I don't agree with his decision. To me, some statute of limitations should apply here and if the expectation is that you have had to never made a mistake or done something stupid in your life or you can't have an important job, I think that's sad. People are fallible and I empathize with Porter.
Thank you for clarifying your position Jim.
Some of it I understand, but don't agree with. Certainly a 4 year window of a statute of limitations on abusive behavior is crazily too short, and if you consider many classical forms of abuse - child abuse, predatory sexual abuse...
What Porter did was abuse. It's black and white IMO, and as others noted, those were the actions of a fully adult male, not a teenager lost in lust. No can do a "statute of limitations" on those actions IMHO.
Its stupid. I met my wife when I was 20 and she was 17. I went to her prom.
20y and 2 kids later we are still going strong.
You've got a 3:15 on January 22nd at your town square, please be sure to shave the back of your neck.
You are assuming her main goal was to bring an harasser to
Justice.
That would be noble but most humans are motivated by self. Interest. That’s why people are speculating about why this story broke now, 4-5 years after it occurred
Even now, the way the story is released it doesn't reveal the reporter's identity or any characteristics about her beyond that she's not American. So today, when in theory the story "can't her career" because she's no longer n journalism they still don't reveal any personally identifiable characteristics of the woman.
Anything else ESPN claims is disingenuous IMO.
Exactly
But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
THIS! the same network who thought it was ok to lurk around before ruining some guys life at the most opportune moment for sending a dick pic VS. constantly crying systemic racism because someone (with a record of physical abuse on a woman) they think should be getting a job, doesn't (yet).
I am also not sure if this thread is where to ask this but did Passan know about this when Porter was hired? I read that there was some back and forth between Passan and Craig Carton. I know that Passan or ESPN needed the victim's approval but did Passan know at the time of hire?
Passan Tweet from hire
The Mets are responsible for their own background checks. However, I am not talking legally but do you guys think if someone knew of this, they should have contacted the Mets? Would that be a violation of the anonymity. I have been reading a lot of reactions and I think many take the position that this young woman had to leave her profession and fear shame while Porter was able to continue his career. No one owes the Mets anything but from all I have read at Porter's hire was what a great hire and good baseball man he is. Waiting over a month seems odd and I find it strange that there was no one inside baseball that could contact the Mets (or Diamondbacks when he worked for them).
Some of you guys are better at knowing the legalities and maybe this was the only way. What Porter did was wrong and the Mets did the right thing, but having the Mets announce the hire - a year after they had to rescind the Beltran hire could have been avoided. I also understand the real issue is this woman's safety and not the Mets front office. Did ESPN or the woman want Porter to be hired so this got the attention desired?
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
Aren’t Bieniemy’s issues mostly about traffic offenses and a fight he got into 20 years ago?
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".
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absolutely wanted him hired as a GM so their story would be impactful.
Assistant GM or scouting director, or whatever he was sending dick picks doesn't blow up the internet and create buzz for ESPN.
A GM or greater does.
And they didn't need the reporters approval, it was "a courtesy" that was merely convenient
If the reporter was truly concerned for her safety, I'm not sure ESPN would even know about the story (or at least not the details they knew) they'd never have known her name or country of origin, etc.
Thanks PJ - makes a lot of sense. Morally and legally are two different things and while these teams "compete", MLB, I would think someone calls the Mets and say "hey you may want to look into this".
I agree, I doubt anyone with MLB knew, they'd probably have said something, especially with Theo now in a role with MLB and this I think happening when he was with the Cubs. I don't see any way this is good for MLB.
And I hate how people are trying to pin this on the Mets.
They conducted a traditional and acceptable background check, it's not like this guy is interviewing for a job with homeland or the CIA. And then the grandstanding women in the media with 2020 hind sight "did you interview any women before hiring him?"
If he worked with women maybe that would have made sense, but otherwise you interview the colleagues, bosses, and direct reports, etc. the person has. And who knows maybe this is the only woman he sent dick picks to, would that satisfy them if the Mets had interviewed a woman who said good things?
Porter deserves what he got, but the Mets are not culpable here any more than they were for the Beltran hiring. In fact probably less than the Beltran hiring.
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But in the next segment, the same ESPNers are outraged the Eric Bieniemy hasn't been or likely will not be, hired as a HC.
Aren’t Bieniemy’s issues mostly about traffic offenses and a fight he got into 20 years ago?
I think that there’s something abuse, assault on a (female) parking lot attendant and participation in a coverup about systemic rape at UC.
Someone who follows him more closely can speak to veracity but suffice it to say that there is a *lot* of baggage that includes allegations of mistreatment of women.