-Porter fired, no indication who will replace him. Zack Scott would be the obvious choice
-Shi Davidi says the Blue Jays have "aggressively" engaged Springer over the last 2 days, a resolution is likely coming "soon". Per @ShiDavidi it does not appear geography will be the deciding factor for George Springer.
- Mets traded for Joey Lucchesi. They gave up a legit prospect but Lucchesi is solid back end depth who may be better suited for a multi-inning RP role given his lack of a third pitch.
-Jays sign Yates, we'll see the price but I wanted the Mets to be in on him BAD.
It was leaked by the BJays to get an upper hand in the Springer negotiations...
Does it help knowing that it wasn't Porter's dick in the pic?
I just read it was a "stock" cock - dick pic.
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today to get this Porter story out of my head.
Does it help knowing that it wasn't Porter's dick in the pic?
I just read it was a "stock" cock - dick pic.
I believe that's HIS claim.
Same. It's a real nice deal. Musgrove was a desireable target because he had much better numbers under the hood, but at a fraction of the cost of acquisition I'm really happy with Lucchesi who is cheaper, a year younger, and for his career even has topline numbers that are comparable (era/fip/xfip).
Maybe they get lucky and he's a guy who can just unglamorously eat innings a la Dillon Gee? If not he's much better depth than the Oswalt types from recent years.
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today to get this Porter story out of my head.
Does it help knowing that it wasn't Porter's dick in the pic?
I just read it was a "stock" cock - dick pic.
I believe that's HIS claim.
Do we have the phallic equivalent of the candy bar lineup by Costanza?
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today to get this Porter story out of my head.
Does it help knowing that it wasn't Porter's dick in the pic?
I just read it was a "stock" cock - dick pic.
I believe that's HIS claim.
Boy, there's a defense, huh? Hey, it wasn't MY dick. It was a stock cock!
Might as well blame a stunt double.
I think the Lucchesi move is solid but I think you're overstating his ability to give quality innings. His biggest issue is his stuff doesn't play up particularly well the more hitter see him. He averaged 5.1 innings per start 2018+2019 and hitters have posted a .941 OPS against him in the 6th, 1.194 in the 7th.
Sure you need bodies, but that is not a trade where as a fan I feel "yes, we got Lucchesi"
and I'm probably not trading a top 15 prospect for him even though top 15 here is top 30 for some teams.
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he's not a Paxton or a Tanaka when on, but he can give you 5-6 quality innings. Until Thor gets back, he is only the 6th pitcher you can really start, behind deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, and Matz. They need the depth. And, again, the biggest thing is that he is cost-controlled and they still have the money for a Springer. Or if they lose out on Springer, they have the money for another bat and a bullpen arm.
Same. It's a real nice deal. Musgrove was a desireable target because he had much better numbers under the hood, but at a fraction of the cost of acquisition I'm really happy with Lucchesi who is cheaper, a year younger, and for his career even has topline numbers that are comparable (era/fip/xfip).
Maybe they get lucky and he's a guy who can just unglamorously eat innings a la Dillon Gee? If not he's much better depth than the Oswalt types from recent years.
Musgrove is a lot better and thus the cost difference. Musgrove 6.5 fWAR over his last 3 seasons, Lucchesi 3.3
Sure you need bodies, but that is not a trade where as a fan I feel "yes, we got Lucchesi"
and I'm probably not trading a top 15 prospect for him even though top 15 here is top 30 for some teams.
Agree with your first point completely. Second point is he's likely on the "cheap" side return wise given his options and YOC. If he's the only arm they add it will be disappointing. If he's "depth" it's a solid move.
-Mets to be on hand for Teheran/Sanchez. Teheran has been really, really bad in recent years.
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he's not a Paxton or a Tanaka when on, but he can give you 5-6 quality innings. Until Thor gets back, he is only the 6th pitcher you can really start, behind deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, and Matz. They need the depth. And, again, the biggest thing is that he is cost-controlled and they still have the money for a Springer. Or if they lose out on Springer, they have the money for another bat and a bullpen arm.
I think the Lucchesi move is solid but I think you're overstating his ability to give quality innings. His biggest issue is his stuff doesn't play up particularly well the more hitter see him. He averaged 5.1 innings per start 2018+2019 and hitters have posted a .941 OPS against him in the 6th, 1.194 in the 7th.
He's the Mets 5th starter or depth. I'm not overstating his abilities. I'm happy if he goes 5-6 quality innings. Until Thor is back, the Mets had 5 SP who could do that, with noone to count on in the minors really. Lucchesi does that, and at $600k. He is a slightly better Matz at a fraction of the price
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seems like a Matz clone.
Sure you need bodies, but that is not a trade where as a fan I feel "yes, we got Lucchesi"
and I'm probably not trading a top 15 prospect for him even though top 15 here is top 30 for some teams.
Agree with your first point completely. Second point is he's likely on the "cheap" side return wise given his options and YOC. If he's the only arm they add it will be disappointing. If he's "depth" it's a solid move.
-Mets to be on hand for Teheran/Sanchez. Teheran has been really, really bad in recent years.
I guess he just needs to be better than Oswalt to make it worth it. Still feel like players like Lucchesi should be easily obtained. but I guess if they were we'd never see Oswalt.
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Yep, this is just another way of showing it but his wOBA against jumps almost 100 points from 1st + 2nd time thru a batting order to 3rd. Huge split.
1st time thru: .295 wOBA
2nd: .297 wOBA
3rd: .394 wOBA
definitely, good riddance. I don't think he should get a career "death penalty" but he should definitely spend some time on the sidelines or work in a less prominent role.
Yates was a complete MONSTER 2018-2019. . Too bad Tyler was never as good as his brother. Blue Jays really should be going all-in in the FA market, they could make noise in a weak division
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the dick pic for a moment... 62 messages without a response? Talk about a weirdo.
definitely, good riddance. I don't think he should get a career "death penalty" but he should definitely spend some time on the sidelines or work in a less prominent role.
Who am I to talk? I'm not a female journalist but a guy firing off that # of messages seems potentially scary to me.
I'd like to forget about the dick pic for MORE than a moment. Please.
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I highly doubt there is any impact. Sandy has been at this for a long time and Scott/Ricco are still here.
Beltran was longer. He was 2 1/2 months. Porter was about a month.
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last longer or shorter as GM than Beltran did as manager?
Beltran was longer. He was 2 1/2 months. Porter was about a month.
On the flip side of the equation, Beltran's was all off-season whereas December is very much GM "in-season"
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he's not a Paxton or a Tanaka when on, but he can give you 5-6 quality innings. Until Thor gets back, he is only the 6th pitcher you can really start, behind deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, and Matz. They need the depth. And, again, the biggest thing is that he is cost-controlled and they still have the money for a Springer. Or if they lose out on Springer, they have the money for another bat and a bullpen arm.
Same. It's a real nice deal. Musgrove was a desireable target because he had much better numbers under the hood, but at a fraction of the cost of acquisition I'm really happy with Lucchesi who is cheaper, a year younger, and for his career even has topline numbers that are comparable (era/fip/xfip).
Maybe they get lucky and he's a guy who can just unglamorously eat innings a la Dillon Gee? If not he's much better depth than the Oswalt types from recent years.
Musgrove is a lot better and thus the cost difference. Musgrove 6.5 fWAR over his last 3 seasons, Lucchesi 3.3
Lucchesi only pitched 5 innings last year, so that's really 2 seasons vs. 3. If you compare 2018-2019 for both it's 3.3 vs. 5.5. Musgrove is obviously still better, but that's why he brought back multiple better prospects than the 1 given up for Lucchesi.
I think I'm way more bullish than most on Peterson. I think he's going to be one reason we thrash the NL East this year. Kid has moxie, cool as a cucumber. I'm making my outlandish prediction for the year:
Peterson will be seen an Al Leiter/Andy Pettitte type by this time next year.
I haven't been so sure of anything since I predicted Victor Diaz as NL Batting Champ in 2005.
So -- I'm due.
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As other teams assess the value of the Pirates-Padres-Mets deal, they like what PIT got in return for Joe Musgrove. But the question for the Pirates FO moving forward is: Will they be given the time to build something competitive before another round of $-driven deals?
It's the right move - realistically I'd bet Sandy has been driving the bus for most of what's happened so far as the new hires were getting their feet under them.
Let things play out this year and see what the need is in the offseason next year. Maybe they decide they need a big time hire, maybe they decide to aim lower, maybe they decide to promote the guy from the Red Sox. No need to rush now.
@JustinCToscano
Take this for what you will, but there is a “Zack Scott” on the Sandy Alderson Zoom call.
@JustinCToscano
Take this for what you will, but there is a “Zack Scott” on the Sandy Alderson Zoom call.
it's certainly possible they already love the guy from what they've seen and want to pull the trigger, if I was Sandy I'd probably want to maintain flexibility but if the guy is the goods there's no time like the present. If I was betting I'd bet on him eventually getting the job.
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Alderson talked to Steve Cohen this morning at 7:30 a.m.: "We agreed the only course of action here was to terminate Jared."
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Sandy Alderson just named the country the reporter was from on the media call. That detail was clearly intentionally left out of the ESPN report in order to protect her identity.
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She cited not just retribution, but also cultural shaming back in her home country for reasons not wanting to come forward. ESPN did a great job of protecting her from being identified back home. This is so irresponsible.
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The #Mets recently hired Ben Zauzmer from the Dodgers to oversee their R&D department, Sandy Alderson said.
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The #Mets recently hired Ben Zauzmer from the Dodgers to oversee their R&D department, Sandy Alderson said.
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Sandy Alderson just named the country the reporter was from on the media call. That detail was clearly intentionally left out of the ESPN report in order to protect her identity.
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She cited not just retribution, but also cultural shaming back in her home country for reasons not wanting to come forward. ESPN did a great job of protecting her from being identified back home. This is so irresponsible.
Now, we're taking it overboard. Was Sandy at least allowed to say she was an earthling? Can we stipulate to that?
I feel like the Mets did the best they could and handled this well. Like everyone else, I agree - how could the Mets know about this.
Dan you are really plugged in but was there some bad blood with the Ricketts who own the Cubs? I am not saying this would be an impact on such a serious issue. Or am I thinking of something about the Ricketts' wife cheering for a Mets loss. Sorry if I am fuzzy on this.
I don't think this would factor in withholding info.
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I feel like the Mets did the best they could and handled this well. Like everyone else, I agree - how could the Mets know about this.
Dan you are really plugged in but was there some bad blood with the Ricketts who own the Cubs? I am not saying this would be an impact on such a serious issue. Or am I thinking of something about the Ricketts' wife cheering for a Mets loss. Sorry if I am fuzzy on this.
I think you're referring to Ricketts telling Cubs fans he most disliked Mets fans (a few years back). I don't think there is any connection to him disliking Mets fans and this being leaked. More likely someone at ESPN checked in with the reporter (knowing Porter was now in a high-profile role) and she finally relented.