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19 years since "Tuck Rule" game

Route 9 : 1/19/2021 11:17 am
Wow. 19 years. I remember this game as if it were yesterday. We had to carry cows up hills back in those days.

The 2001 AFC Divisional Playoff game between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders, also known as the Tuck Rule Game or the Snow Bowl, or sometimes referred to as Snow Bowl 2, took place on January 19, 2002, at Foxboro Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts, the former home stadium of the Patriots.
I still dont understand  
Everyone Relax : 1/19/2021 11:22 am : link
that rule. I don't fully remember the situation, but was it just made up on the spot?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 11:29 am : link
I too remember it like it was yesterday. I was living in Portland, ME & watched it at Bull Feeney's. Wild game. Saturday night football in the snow. You can't ask for more.
Holy Crap...  
Johnny5 : 1/19/2021 11:40 am : link
... I actually had a gig that night and was watching the game from the stage. I remember the replay going about 100X for like 15 minutes... lol.

Wow... does not seem like 19 years ago... at all
I will quote Rod Woodson  
cjac : 1/19/2021 12:06 pm : link
the worst call in the history of sports
RE: I still dont understand  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15127800 Everyone Relax said:
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that rule. I don't fully remember the situation, but was it just made up on the spot?


At the time, the rule was enforced correctly. The rule was that even if the QB began the throwing motion, if they stopped and tried to re-tuck the ball, it was considered an incomplete pass. The rule has been changed, and it sucked, but that was actually one the refs got right - based on the rule
they got the call right  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2021 12:20 pm : link
but man was that a brutal rule to begin with. It never made any sense.
RE: I will quote Rod Woodson  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15127865 cjac said:
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the worst call in the history of sports


You mean Charles? The call was correct, no matter how dumb the rule was. In the moment, it looked like a clear fumble & I too was confused over what was being reviewed. But the officials got it right.
It really was an awful rule  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2021 12:33 pm : link
It was correctly applied, but that should have been a fumble. Anyone can watch that replay and see that Brady obviously was not throwing the ball. The tuck rule is now mercifully just a piece of history.
Winning is winning...  
BamaBlue : 1/19/2021 12:41 pm : link
but the Patriot dynasty had three super bowls decided by an official's call (the Tuck Rule and the KC defensive offside in the AFC Championship Game), and a dumb call by Pete Carroll.

Winning by the skin of your teeth is still winning...
The tuck rule is no more.  
Marty in Albany : 1/19/2021 1:50 pm : link
The current rule reads:

Passer Tucks Ball. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.
RE: It really was an awful rule  
Everyone Relax : 1/19/2021 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15127902 Greg from LI said:
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It was correctly applied, but that should have been a fumble. Anyone can watch that replay and see that Brady obviously was not throwing the ball. The tuck rule is now mercifully just a piece of history.

But I just dont understand the logic behind it. Somehow with a pump fake and full "re-tucking" of the ball your arm is still deemed to be going forward?
I don't think there..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 2:47 pm : link
was much logic. It was a terrible rule. And it required a lot of judgement
he fumbled the ball  
mattlawson : 1/19/2021 3:09 pm : link
to bring that ridiculous rule to bear in those circumstances was ridiculous. raiders deserved to advance.
Yes, i meant Charles  
cjac : 1/19/2021 3:39 pm : link
thanks for the correction
RE: he fumbled the ball  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15128093 mattlawson said:
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to bring that ridiculous rule to bear in those circumstances was ridiculous. raiders deserved to advance.


People may have wanted the Raiders to advance, but how can a rule correctly applied be considered a reason they should have won??

It's like saying the Browns deserved to advance last weekend. why did the refs bring the ridiculous rule to bear about the fumble out of the end zone?
It was the wrong call  
schabadoo : 1/19/2021 4:23 pm : link
The Tuck Rule was in effect until the ball was returned to his body, after that it was a fumble. Brady returned the ball to his chest, two hands on the ball. Therefore it was a fumble.

There's a better pic, but you can see his left hand on the ball here:
The Vinatieri kick to tie it was one of the greatest  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 4:28 pm : link
field goals I ever saw. Blizzard conditions and 45 yards or so.

Couldn't believe he made it.
The Real Tuck Rule  
crick n NC : 1/19/2021 4:35 pm : link
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 4:37 pm : link
Brady's face looks like Munch painted it!
RE: The Vinatieri kick to tie it was one of the greatest  
bw in dc : 1/19/2021 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15128183 LBH15 said:
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field goals I ever saw. Blizzard conditions and 45 yards or so.

Couldn't believe he made it.


Excellent point. That's what gets lost in the sauce about that game. How high is the crossbar? 10'? That kick went - maybe - 12 feet in the air for the entire kick...
Vinatieri kick  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 4:50 pm : link

Question:  
Leg of Theismann : 1/19/2021 5:06 pm : link
on the telecast, Simms said it would only be an incomplete pass if the ball accidentally slipped out of Brady's hand as he was pulling it back down off the pump fake, but if Woodson forced it out that WOULD BE a fumble. Was Simms wrong? He didn't know the rule properly? That even if it's forced out it can still be a fumble in the event Brady hasn't fully "tucked it" yet?
Full Game -- Tuck Rule game - ( New Window )
nvm  
Leg of Theismann : 1/19/2021 5:13 pm : link
I guess they clarify it a few minutes later.

But, as another poster said, it certainly looked like Tom got both hands back on the ball. So at what point would he need to have lost it for it to be considered a fumble? He would need to have fully stopped his hands moving at all?

Tom Brady is the luckiest son of a bitch who's ever lived.
RE: LOL..  
crick n NC : 1/19/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15128199 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Brady's face looks like Munch painted it!


The Scream!
Featuring Justin Tuck
I completely forgot (/ never even thought of the fact perhapse)  
Leg of Theismann : 1/19/2021 5:19 pm : link
that Brady and Woodson were college teammates.
Perhaps*  
Leg of Theismann : 1/19/2021 5:20 pm : link
.
I'm saying "perhaps I never even realized"  
Leg of Theismann : 1/19/2021 5:20 pm : link
not "perhaps they were teammates" .... they were definitely teammates that is a known fact.
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