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Richard Seymour and fanbase still sore about helmet catch

NYG27 : 1/19/2021 3:22 pm
On Twitter, Tom Brady posted about how Richard Seymour deserved to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame.

Seymour then retweeted Brady's comments thanking him and wishing him the best in his attempt to win a 7th Superbowl. Then he followed up with this comment from that same post...

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if I wasn't held by 2/3 guys on the helmet catch this would be #8 @elimanning (he added a couple of smiley faces)


Following that, there were a lot of comments from sore Patriots fans about that hold and losing to the Giants twice.

Love how all these years later, those Giants Superbowl victories still stings those players and fanbase.
Obligatory  
Trainmaster : 1/19/2021 3:31 pm : link
"Bummer".

Don't talk to Giants fans about penalties not being called in key games.

It's a beautiful thing  
mfsd : 1/19/2021 3:31 pm : link
Brady's career is amazing, which is what makes beating them as we did so much more special.

I'd argue back about how much Strahan got held, but instead let's just laugh at them and enjoy having 2 over the Patriots for all eternity
And if the Tuck  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2021 3:33 pm : link
rule..........
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 3:34 pm : link
The Giants were the better team that evening in Glendale. Richard can bitch & moan all he likes, but that doesn't change that fact. We deserved to win.
after SB 42, a couple of the  
Enzo : 1/19/2021 3:35 pm : link
Giant players talked about Seymour talking all kinds of trash before/during the final drive. How they were invited to the Pats' victory party and such. Lol...
-  
The_Boss : 1/19/2021 3:36 pm : link
Fuck ‘em
fuck 'em is right  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2021 3:44 pm : link
SB 46 was only a close as it was because the refs were playing for NE. Brady has become such a whiny doosh.
Correct me if I’m wrong.  
CV36 : 1/19/2021 3:46 pm : link
Almost every one of their titles was one or two plays away from them losing more SBs
Sour grapes  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2021 3:48 pm : link
Seymour was there with Tyree and had his hand on the ball -- he just couldn't get Tyree to let go of it.

Bullshit!
I don't see anyone touching Seymour either  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2021 3:51 pm : link
....

unless he's talking about the play where he missed the interception
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They had all the luck that game....  
Grizz99 : 1/19/2021 3:51 pm : link
Before the half we took over.. A long drive with everything working. We were beating them up and were about to go into the half with mother Mo and the lead. Eli hits Smith in the chest and the ball ricochets' into an INT. Brandon Jacobs was intimidagting them on that drive and a score would have likely been defining.
Then they get another set of downs at a critical point wiht the rediculous, never called 12 man penalty because we didn't get one guy across the sideline in time. It wAS not as if we lined up with 12 men.
Moreover, I think the helmet catch came on third down. So we had one more shot and Eli in those days was money in the bank during clutch times.
The Giants sac'd Brady something like six times and knocked him down another six times or so. How you can bellyache when you can't protect your QB is beyond me.
I don’t remember any one of those linemen  
Silver Spoon : 1/19/2021 3:55 pm : link
blocking anybody that play. It was a jail break.
RE: Correct me if I’m wrong.  
bw in dc : 1/19/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15128123 CV36 said:
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Almost every one of their titles was one or two plays away from them losing more SBs


Yes, I think there only "convincing" win was over the Rams.
he should absolutely  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/19/2021 3:56 pm : link
be a HOFer.
RE: fuck 'em is right  
mfsd : 1/19/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15128121 Victor in CT said:
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SB 46 was only a close as it was because the refs were playing for NE. Brady has become such a whiny doosh.


Too be fair, it's not Brady saying this. He's been nothing but complimentary over the years to the Giants for beating them, even those losses, especially SB 42, will always burn. He's also shown Eli a lot of respect on social media for it.
RE: after SB 42, a couple of the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15128112 Enzo said:
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Giant players talked about Seymour talking all kinds of trash before/during the final drive. How they were invited to the Pats' victory party and such. Lol...


I didn't know that. I have cousins from New Hampshire who are legit Patriots fans going back to the '70s, '80s. A lot of them were nervous going into XLII because of how much of a game we gave them in Week 17.
RE: Correct me if I’m wrong.  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15128123 CV36 said:
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Almost every one of their titles was one or two plays away from them losing more SBs


Seattle just gave it to them. The single dumbest play call i have ever seen. Nobody on NE wanted to go near Lynch. Hand him the ball and the the game is over.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 4:02 pm : link
The Seattle one was UFB. I watched that game @ a bar with two buddies & I swear no one reacted after Butler's INT for a good 5 seconds because no one could comprehend what just happened.
RE: Sour grapes  
bigblue5611 : 1/19/2021 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15128125 gidiefor said:
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Seymour was there with Tyree and had his hand on the ball -- he just couldn't get Tyree to let go of it.

Bullshit!


You're thinking of Harrison, and it still bugs the crap out of me seeing him trying to rip it out of Tyree's hands well after he was down by contact and clearly established that he made the catch and had the ball.
RE: They had all the luck that game....  
chick310 : 1/19/2021 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15128129 Grizz99 said:
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Before the half we took over.. A long drive with everything working. We were beating them up and were about to go into the half with mother Mo and the lead. Eli hits Smith in the chest and the ball ricochets' into an INT. Brandon Jacobs was intimidagting them on that drive and a score would have likely been defining.
Then they get another set of downs at a critical point wiht the rediculous, never called 12 man penalty because we didn't get one guy across the sideline in time. It wAS not as if we lined up with 12 men.
Moreover, I think the helmet catch came on third down. So we had one more shot and Eli in those days was money in the bank during clutch times.
The Giants sac'd Brady something like six times and knocked him down another six times or so. How you can bellyache when you can't protect your QB is beyond me.


Not really, luck went both ways. Couple of loose balls went the way of the NY Giants and could have affected the outcome as well.

Seymour's silly excuse didn't need to be said, and neither did this one. No need to re-write history, the Giants won fairly.
RE: RE: Correct me if I’m wrong.  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/19/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15128134 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15128123 CV36 said:


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Almost every one of their titles was one or two plays away from them losing more SBs



Yes, I think there only "convincing" win was over the Rams.


Disagree. Thought the one against the Eagles was the most convincing. Reid really screwed the pooch with regards to game clock in that 4th quarter
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2021 4:08 pm : link
Even though the final was, I believe, 24-21...I never thought the Pats were losing that first Super Bowl to the Eagles, though Owens-who I detested-had one helluva game on one leg.
Lol  
90.Cal : 1/19/2021 4:16 pm : link
I love that it still burns them to this day
Imagine Brady having a 19-0 season  
90.Cal : 1/19/2021 4:17 pm : link
On top of his already ridiculous resume... Bummer:-)
Heck..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 4:17 pm : link
we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate
RE: ...  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/19/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15128158 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Even though the final was, I believe, 24-21...I never thought the Pats were losing that first Super Bowl to the Eagles, though Owens-who I detested-had one helluva game on one leg.


Correct, yup. Donovan really screwed the pooch on that one too. I think Owens came out and said he (McNabb) was drinking the night before the game?
How  
Toth029 : 1/19/2021 4:33 pm : link
Sweet it is Eli has 2 on those guys.
We won the game because our defense held -  
short lease : 1/19/2021 4:49 pm : link
an Offense that averaged 37 points a game (for the season) to 14 points. Had nothing to do with a holding call against Seymour that was missed. And, If Tyree doesn't make the catch we would have found another way to win.

Giants Defense ruled the day.
RE: Heck..  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15128173 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate


So why bother bringing it up.
RE: RE: Heck..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15128221 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15128173 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate



So why bother bringing it up.


Hmm. Good point. I'll remember to use that on the 209th iteration of you discussing the Leonard Williams trade.

I'm still laughing at the irony of you trying to out a dupe on the weekend game thread. And you didn't even get it right! But a dozen mentions of dep sure was hilarious.....
defensive lineman  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2021 5:13 pm : link
thinks he got held on a play a QB completed a pass?

holy shit I don't believe it.

Obviously the ending to that game was perfect, but if I were a Pats player and that game is what stood between me/my team and sports immortality I'd never get over it either.
RE: RE: RE: Heck..  
chopperhatch : 1/19/2021 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15128236 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15128173 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate



So why bother bringing it up.



Hmm. Good point. I'll remember to use that on the 209th iteration of you discussing the Leonard Williams trade.

I'm still laughing at the irony of you trying to out a dupe on the weekend game thread. And you didn't even get it right! But a dozen mentions of dep sure was hilarious.....


Why even bother with Googs? He is a headache, a coward and a moron, but engaging him doesnt help. Im trying a new approach.
If I were Seymour or Harrison or anyone else from Pats  
chuckydee9 : 1/19/2021 5:20 pm : link
it would bother me till the day I die as well.. The results of that day aren't to be taken lightly..
Peas in a pod  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 6:00 pm : link
The two worst beraters on the site.

Hating everybody, everyday.
RE: Peas in a pod  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/19/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15128296 LBH15 said:
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The two worst beraters on the site.

Hating everybody, everyday.


And you are a ray of sunshine? You are a previously banned poster who rejoined just to continue to be a shitbag. And yet you tell everyone else how they should post.

Chucklehead to the max
RE: RE: RE: RE: Heck..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15128248 chopperhatch said:
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we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate



So why bother bringing it up.



Hmm. Good point. I'll remember to use that on the 209th iteration of you discussing the Leonard Williams trade.

I'm still laughing at the irony of you trying to out a dupe on the weekend game thread. And you didn't even get it right! But a dozen mentions of dep sure was hilarious.....



Why even bother with Googs? He is a headache, a coward and a moron, but engaging him doesnt help. Im trying a new approach.


Seth, Yup. I decided last week to never engage him again
No, just to you to stop berating posters every day.  
LBH15 : 1/19/2021 6:19 pm : link
I think Clams Casino shared a pic once of you yelling at him.. Was this it?




Seymour's extra sting for that loss  
bc4life : 1/19/2021 6:30 pm : link
prior to that play, Seymour was breaking Diehl's balls telling him that he would let Diehl come to the Patriots' SB celebration party
RE: They had all the luck that game....  
Keyser : 1/19/2021 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15128129 Grizz99 said:
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Before the half we took over.. A long drive with everything working. We were beating them up and were about to go into the half with mother Mo and the lead. Eli hits Smith in the chest and the ball ricochets' into an INT. Brandon Jacobs was intimidagting them on that drive and a score would have likely been defining.
Then they get another set of downs at a critical point wiht the rediculous, never called 12 man penalty because we didn't get one guy across the sideline in time. It wAS not as if we lined up with 12 men.
Moreover, I think the helmet catch came on third down. So we had one more shot and Eli in those days was money in the bank during clutch times.
The Giants sac'd Brady something like six times and knocked him down another six times or so. How you can bellyache when you can't protect your QB is beyond me.


Dude, that 12 men on the field penalty is going to get called every single time. There is no "it didn't affect the play" or "no harm, no foul" modifier and it never gets ignored. When has 12 men on the field ever been ignored?

I was at the game and I could tell from the upper deck that the Giants 12th player didn't get off the field in time and they were going to get flagged.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Heck..  
chopperhatch : 1/19/2021 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15128308 Big Blue '56 said:
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we have Giants fans who to this day post that Eli was lucky that a pass a DB struggled to get a fingertip on wasn't picked.

And I'm still never sure what having that terrible take is meant to illustrate



So why bother bringing it up.



Hmm. Good point. I'll remember to use that on the 209th iteration of you discussing the Leonard Williams trade.

I'm still laughing at the irony of you trying to out a dupe on the weekend game thread. And you didn't even get it right! But a dozen mentions of dep sure was hilarious.....



Why even bother with Googs? He is a headache, a coward and a moron, but engaging him doesnt help. Im trying a new approach.



Seth, Yup. I decided last week to never engage him again


Yea man. Guys like Googs dont do well in person. He is just unique because he doesnt do well here either.

I hope you are well Doctor Tater Tots! Lol. I hope you are still crushing hikes and green tea. Persinally, Ive moved off Numi but have a cheaper moxture that I ice and its glorious.

Best always.
Seymour  
Giant John : 1/19/2021 7:54 pm : link
Get back in the real world. Your team lost and yes you gave up the biggest catch in NY Giant history, BTW thanks for crying about it. Good to know it still hurts.
It amazes me that people take tweets  
jhibb : 1/19/2021 10:14 pm : link
from players and former players so seriously, even if they're ended with a couple smilies that indicate some level of joking around.
RE: ...  
BelieveJJ : 1/20/2021 2:09 am : link
In comment 15128111 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The Giants were the better team that evening in Glendale. Richard can bitch & moan all he likes, but that doesn't change that fact. We deserved to win.


And it was evident from the very first Giants' drive, and by the look on Brady's face for much of the game.

Which makes Brady throw some live Eli's way, every now and then.
Love  
BelieveJJ : 1/20/2021 2:17 am : link
not live.
......  
Route 9 : 1/20/2021 2:21 am : link
Pales in comparison to Rodney Harrison. Holy shit. I love listening to him whine about that game 13 years later. LOVE it.
12th. man  
Grizz99 : 1/20/2021 4:35 am : link
I don't recall it being called exactly in that way. 12th man when he's on the field is one thing, but no way did this `12 men affect the play. Most times it's like hockey and if the man is on his way and out of the play it's not called.
In either instance, I'm going to continue to regard it as a "cheap" call. And the circumstances matter, we'd just held them to three and out; I regarded that in real time as a momentum changer. It was very deflating for the defense to trot back out after the emotion of thinking they'd held. Deflating and tiring and while they did in fact hold, the Pats scored on the next possession (they only td they were goiing to put up since the opening of the game ) and I - incorrectly or not - will always blame that score on the 12 man penalty.
So, and this is just my opinion I'm not trying to foster it on anyone else, these were two huge breaks for The Pats because they were momentum changers.
Bummer is right.  
St. Jimmy : 1/20/2021 5:39 am : link
What is not for one of the worst coaching decisions in Superbowl history and whatever you want to categorize what Atlanta did in that Superbowl as.
Looking back  
NINEster : 1/20/2021 12:16 pm : link
I think the 2007 Patriots were a bit overrated. More of a front running team that didn't get punched in the mouth that often, and wasn't set up well for ball control offense. They were overhyped mostly for blowing out teams, 50 passing TDs for Brady, and a very good defense.

Just look at how well they handled the Seahawks in the SB with less overall talent on the offensive side of the ball. The Hawks would have handled that 2007 Patriots offense probably better than the 2014 offense.

Also, the GOAT coach thought it was a great idea treating week 17 like the Super Bowl. The Giants took everything available, including film from that game, to win SB 42.

Not saying they would have definitely lost, as the game would have been different. But I don't think the Patriots did themselves favors playing the Giants tough that game.

Play starters a quarter or two, vanilla game plan, then go backups. Would have definitely lost, but nobody would have acted like it was a real win for the Giants.

The Giants were better IMO in 2011, so the Patriots played better than expected making it a close game. If Welker makes that catch, it gets dicey.

2007 New England Patriots  
Route 9 : 1/20/2021 1:09 pm : link
AVERAGED almost 37 points a game. Won every game, that includes the playoffs, except one.

Yeah. Overrated. Lol.
I always split the '07 Pats  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/20/2021 1:21 pm : link
into the team at the start of the year and the team at the end of it. The 1st half '07 Pats were easily the best football team we've seen in recent history (the 2nd Moss circus TD vs. the Dolphins in Week 8 being the peak moment of dominance). The 2nd half '07 Pats were just a really really good team, but mortal.
RE: I always split the '07 Pats  
Greg from LI : 1/20/2021 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15129042 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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into the team at the start of the year and the team at the end of it. The 1st half '07 Pats were easily the best football team we've seen in recent history (the 2nd Moss circus TD vs. the Dolphins in Week 8 being the peak moment of dominance). The 2nd half '07 Pats were just a really really good team, but mortal.


Yep. They beat the Bills 56-10 to go 10-0. At that point they were averaging 41 ppg, winning their games by an AVERAGE of 3 TDs. After that? 3 point win over the Eagles, 3 point win over the Ravens (who stunk that year), 10 point win over the Jets, 3 point win over the Giants. They did blow out the Steelers and the Dolphins, but they weren't the juggernaut they had been early in the season. Their first two playoff games were closer than I remembered, too - the Jags were tied at the half and down only 21-17 late in the third, the Chargers were only down 2 headed into the fourth. They had chances but just couldn't get into the end zone - kicked FGs from 26, 23, and 24 yards.
New England's recap  
Route 9 : 1/20/2021 7:13 pm : link
First 8 games of the 2007 season: 8-0
Last 8 games of the 2007 season: 8-0

I guess they did a decent job with winning their fair share of games in the second half comapred to the first half of the season.
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