Taking all those penalties. The Rangers have some of the best skill in the NHL to throw out there on the PP. In 3+ games the Devs have given up 1 even strength goal that's insane. Especially when you factor in they are playing a totally new defensive type system that's unique to most everyone in the NHL.
Adam Herman
@AdamZHerman
The Rangers are out-attempting the Devils 17-3 when Chytil and Kakko are on the ice at 5v5 and they have received fewer minutes than anyone except for Gauthier.
8:55 PM · Jan 19, 2021
I don't think Kakko has gotten much PP time since mid last season
I was happy with how the team played, disappointed in some of the ice time decisions.
I do not think Kakko looks good. I think Chytil does. Kakko looks slow to me.
The big difference is that Chytil brings the puck into the zone and I think gets a lot of cheapy shots on goal (they dont mean much as they are just launches at the net). If we had a power guy like LeClair or Corey Perry or Marleau whose game was going to the net, Chytil would be fine. But playing with Kakko who is more of a shooter, Chytil is generally too deep before Kakko can be effective.
I think it was a mistake dropping Kakko at this point.
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
Totally agree.... Not expecting much so anything that comes on the upside, I'll take
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
Totally agree.... Not expecting much so anything that comes on the upside, I'll take
I know it's early but the Devils could fight for a playoff spot if they remain healthy. Blackwood is playing lights out and this isn't a fluke. Blackwood was one of the few bright spots last season and he continues to improve with experience.
The Devils need Hischier back ASAP. Hopefully his return will get Gusev and Palmieri going. They have combined for just 2 assists this season. If the Devils are to have a chance they will need both to produce.
Taking all those penalties. The Rangers have some of the best skill in the NHL to throw out there on the PP. In 3+ games the Devs have given up 1 even strength goal that's insane. Especially when you factor in they are playing a totally new defensive type system that's unique to most everyone in the NHL.
how is their defensive system different? I have not been following but interested
had three consecutive shots blocked in the final minutes last night.
Some of that is on him, some of that is a solid forward scheme to clog the middle and then Johnson not being smart enough to dish it instead of shooting.
Trouba also had a shot blocked I believe to give up the Hughes breakaway.
shot blocking and face offs, so underrated, so impactful
I think those late blocked shots were Trouba, not Johnson?
And yeah, that blocked-shot-turned-into-breakaway is a Trouba specialty. He stunk last night.
Probably both, Johnson had one that looked like an intentional shot off net (you know sometimes players go off net on purpose hoping the bounce off the boards opens an opportunity - the other two were right down the middle - maybe Trouba, I thought it was Johnson).
On those rare occasions when he was on the ice, anyway.
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
Quinn says he expects both Zib and Lemieux to play on Friday
On those rare occasions when he was on the ice, anyway.
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
Could be still growing.
I forget who it was, one Rangers prospect i was reading about grew 3 inches post NHL draft (Robertson? I forget, might not have even been Rangers)
so, who knows some 18/19 year old boys are still growing and as someone who coaches adolescents there is an adjustment period and some awkwardness, haven't seen that from Kakko, but we only see games.
It's partly why they say generally big players (like Kreider, Byfield, maybe even Kakko) having a longer process getting acclimated to the NHL - they have to relearn some things and grow into their bodies).
Well, we had a HORRENDOUS change that allowed the first goal. Then Lindgren sat there with his thumb up his ass looking at the puck in the crease while Hughes swooped in to tap it home for the second. Then Trouba tried to pinch and failed to get the puck deep, leading to a breakaway for the third goal.
Georgiev hasn't played well but the defense remains a joke.
Greg the first 2 goals were absolutely on Georgiev. There should never have been rebounds. They were 2 soft glove side shots that any goalie in the NHL needs to glove. Sure the other 2 goals were on the D. But one was a beautiful set up in the PP.
Be patient with him this year. It's very hard to play in the NHL at 18-19yo. Hughes came back this year a different player. Honestly if he wasn't the #1 overall pick last year Hughes wouldn't even have sniffed the NHL.
RE: Hughes is a word of caution on LaFreniere as well
Be patient with him this year. It's very hard to play in the NHL at 18-19yo. Hughes came back this year a different player. Honestly if he wasn't the #1 overall pick last year Hughes wouldn't even have sniffed the NHL.
Good point. Most of these kids are physically ready to play in the NHL as we saw with Hughes last season. We saw flashes here and there but he often looked physically overmatched.
Hughes added 14 pounds of muscle this offseason and he looks like a different player than a year ago.
to their taxi squad today. The 6'7 Bahl skated with the team in practice.
It's an interesting move especially with Vatanen joining the roster in a few days. Bahl would bring a physical presence to the blue line if he is ready for the NHL.
The main weakness with Kakko and Lafreniere was their skating
and it definitely shows. They weren't elite skaters like McDavid or even Hughes were. It. Kakko seems to lumber on his skates. Lafreniere is better and stronger on his skates, but he's definitely not fast.
may not be in McDavid or Hughes class as a skater (not many are), but I don't think it was a weakness for either.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
Get 'em Barb Underhill
lol tons of skating coaches.
you want to see a player who was good, but had skating issues it's Jan Mysak and he dropped to the 3rd round because of it and my hope is it gets corrected in the NHL because he's got a ton of talent, but real skating issues can be insurmountable and neither Kakko or Lafreniere have skating issues.
On those rare occasions when he was on the ice, anyway.
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
Could be still growing.
I forget who it was, one Rangers prospect i was reading about grew 3 inches post NHL draft (Robertson? I forget, might not have even been Rangers)
so, who knows some 18/19 year old boys are still growing and as someone who coaches adolescents there is an adjustment period and some awkwardness, haven't seen that from Kakko, but we only see games.
It's partly why they say generally big players (like Kreider, Byfield, maybe even Kakko) having a longer process getting acclimated to the NHL - they have to relearn some things and grow into their bodies).
But Kakko hasn't looked great.
I think he has looked better in his own end and on back checking (I know its only 3 games, but I definitely noticed he was more active that way), but he still seems like such a lamb looking for his own shots. He reminds me of RJ Barrett as a hockey player.
Hes got a great shot and is a strong guy, I thought he would be looking to shoot by now.
may not be in McDavid or Hughes class as a skater (not many are), but I don't think it was a weakness for either.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
Get 'em Barb Underhill
lol tons of skating coaches.
you want to see a player who was good, but had skating issues it's Jan Mysak and he dropped to the 3rd round because of it and my hope is it gets corrected in the NHL because he's got a ton of talent, but real skating issues can be insurmountable and neither Kakko or Lafreniere have skating issues.
Pj, I def never played as much as you, but Ive always been a good skater (only reason I was able to stick around a bit), can you give some examples of "skating issues"? I started skating when I was 4 and I guess never needed much instruction on crossing over, skating backwards on the fly... I was always good about trusting my edges. Im just curious what constitutes an "issue."
Thanks in advance and sorry if I am mossing something and sound like a gnube.
has a great shot, but I don't remember him being shoot first, I think he had a pass first mentality or at least was known as a play maker.
Right, but on the line he is currently on (Chytil, DiGiuseppe/Gauthier) who is he passing to? I am not saying he is Brett Hull, but FFS, I want him to shoot more. He looks great doing it as you mentioned it.
it's a great question and I had no idea as I was playing. I was fast, I was defense and I could skate backwards faster than most people could skate forward, but as you get to the higher level you realize what "good" is and it's not me. lol.
It's so technical these days it's all about bend, stride, power, step, angles, acceleration, etc.
So someone like Kakko next to your or I looks like elite, but next to McDavid or Hughes people see he's not as polished.
And bad is relative. so I hate to give examples.
IMO it's a like running a 4.5 40 which for most people is world class, but when you see a Tyreek Hill run a 4.2 you see how much different elite speed is.
In small spaces it doesn't make much difference (partly why Hughes struggled last year, he couldn't get to open space, he needed to be stronger - everywhere - on the boards cycling, in scrums, on his skates, etc), but in open space it's a big advantage.
47 saves.
47 saves.
Absolutely. Devs were on fumes the last 10 minutes. Big growing up moment for the young Devils.
you think that was his head?
I thought it was lower body or shoulder.
Didn't seem like he hit his head on initial view.
Fox looked great. Miller has been nice and steady. Kreider came a post away from a two goal night.
And I have to give a bit of credit to Quinn - he rode his stars in the 3rd. Didn't see much Howden or DiGiuseppe late.
Fox looked great. Miller has been nice and steady. Kreider came a post away from a two goal night.
And I have to give a bit of credit to Quinn - he rode his stars in the 3rd. Didn't see much Howden or DiGiuseppe late.
And he didn't hesitate to change goalies, Igor didn't get a ton of work, but did well when he needed to.
And fire Howden into the sun.
Get rid of the shootout and fix the points (3/2/1).
Chytil: 37:59
Kakko: 36:11
Gauthier: 25:46
Ryan Strome: 62:33
Chytil: 37:59
Kakko: 36:11
Gauthier: 25:46
Ryan Strome: 62:33
Is that 5v5? You should really use that for comparisons like this. Kakko probably on PP2 (?), not sure Chytil or Gauthier ever play on PP
@AdamZHerman
The Rangers are out-attempting the Devils 17-3 when Chytil and Kakko are on the ice at 5v5 and they have received fewer minutes than anyone except for Gauthier.
8:55 PM · Jan 19, 2021
I do not think Kakko looks good. I think Chytil does. Kakko looks slow to me.
I do not think Kakko looks good. I think Chytil does. Kakko looks slow to me.
The big difference is that Chytil brings the puck into the zone and I think gets a lot of cheapy shots on goal (they dont mean much as they are just launches at the net). If we had a power guy like LeClair or Corey Perry or Marleau whose game was going to the net, Chytil would be fine. But playing with Kakko who is more of a shooter, Chytil is generally too deep before Kakko can be effective.
I think it was a mistake dropping Kakko at this point.
Quinn needs to go right now.
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
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Tough start to season, another big test tomorrow.
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
Totally agree.... Not expecting much so anything that comes on the upside, I'll take
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Tough start to season, another big test tomorrow.
The good news is that the Devils haven't had any back to backs yet and won't before Aaron Dell is cleared. The Devils luckily avoided having to start Wedgewood.
Totally agree.... Not expecting much so anything that comes on the upside, I'll take
I know it's early but the Devils could fight for a playoff spot if they remain healthy. Blackwood is playing lights out and this isn't a fluke. Blackwood was one of the few bright spots last season and he continues to improve with experience.
The Devils need Hischier back ASAP. Hopefully his return will get Gusev and Palmieri going. They have combined for just 2 assists this season. If the Devils are to have a chance they will need both to produce.
how is their defensive system different? I have not been following but interested
Good thing fans aren't in the arenas because Jack Johnson's slappers are bound to kill someone.
And yeah, his shots don't come within 5 feet of the net.
Some of that is on him, some of that is a solid forward scheme to clog the middle and then Johnson not being smart enough to dish it instead of shooting.
Trouba also had a shot blocked I believe to give up the Hughes breakaway.
shot blocking and face offs, so underrated, so impactful
Probably both, Johnson had one that looked like an intentional shot off net (you know sometimes players go off net on purpose hoping the bounce off the boards opens an opportunity - the other two were right down the middle - maybe Trouba, I thought it was Johnson).
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
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On those rare occasions when he was on the ice, anyway.
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
Could be still growing.
I forget who it was, one Rangers prospect i was reading about grew 3 inches post NHL draft (Robertson? I forget, might not have even been Rangers)
so, who knows some 18/19 year old boys are still growing and as someone who coaches adolescents there is an adjustment period and some awkwardness, haven't seen that from Kakko, but we only see games.
It's partly why they say generally big players (like Kreider, Byfield, maybe even Kakko) having a longer process getting acclimated to the NHL - they have to relearn some things and grow into their bodies).
But Kakko hasn't looked great.
Georgiev hasn't played well but the defense remains a joke.
Greg the first 2 goals were absolutely on Georgiev. There should never have been rebounds. They were 2 soft glove side shots that any goalie in the NHL needs to glove. Sure the other 2 goals were on the D. But one was a beautiful set up in the PP.
they're both legit NHL centers now.
Suzuki wasn't as high a pick as Kakko, but Kotkaniemi was #3 overall.
let these guys develop, realize it's a process, and pray they have good coaching and captains.
Good point. Most of these kids are physically ready to play in the NHL as we saw with Hughes last season. We saw flashes here and there but he often looked physically overmatched.
Hughes added 14 pounds of muscle this offseason and he looks like a different player than a year ago.
It's an interesting move especially with Vatanen joining the roster in a few days. Bahl would bring a physical presence to the blue line if he is ready for the NHL.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
Get 'em Barb Underhill
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may not be in McDavid or Hughes class as a skater (not many are), but I don't think it was a weakness for either.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
Get 'em Barb Underhill
lol tons of skating coaches.
you want to see a player who was good, but had skating issues it's Jan Mysak and he dropped to the 3rd round because of it and my hope is it gets corrected in the NHL because he's got a ton of talent, but real skating issues can be insurmountable and neither Kakko or Lafreniere have skating issues.
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On those rare occasions when he was on the ice, anyway.
I missed the first, but Kakko looks to lack real explosion - which he did show prior to the Rangers drafting him. There was a play where Kakko had the puck and Chytil blew past him to go off-side.
Kakko looks nothing like he did in the World Championship.
Could be still growing.
I forget who it was, one Rangers prospect i was reading about grew 3 inches post NHL draft (Robertson? I forget, might not have even been Rangers)
so, who knows some 18/19 year old boys are still growing and as someone who coaches adolescents there is an adjustment period and some awkwardness, haven't seen that from Kakko, but we only see games.
It's partly why they say generally big players (like Kreider, Byfield, maybe even Kakko) having a longer process getting acclimated to the NHL - they have to relearn some things and grow into their bodies).
But Kakko hasn't looked great.
I think he has looked better in his own end and on back checking (I know its only 3 games, but I definitely noticed he was more active that way), but he still seems like such a lamb looking for his own shots. He reminds me of RJ Barrett as a hockey player.
Hes got a great shot and is a strong guy, I thought he would be looking to shoot by now.
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may not be in McDavid or Hughes class as a skater (not many are), but I don't think it was a weakness for either.
And...skating is one of those things that even at their ages can be improved.
Look at Marchand, Kotkaniemi, etc. so many player improve their skating.
Get 'em Barb Underhill
lol tons of skating coaches.
you want to see a player who was good, but had skating issues it's Jan Mysak and he dropped to the 3rd round because of it and my hope is it gets corrected in the NHL because he's got a ton of talent, but real skating issues can be insurmountable and neither Kakko or Lafreniere have skating issues.
Pj, I def never played as much as you, but Ive always been a good skater (only reason I was able to stick around a bit), can you give some examples of "skating issues"? I started skating when I was 4 and I guess never needed much instruction on crossing over, skating backwards on the fly... I was always good about trusting my edges. Im just curious what constitutes an "issue."
Thanks in advance and sorry if I am mossing something and sound like a gnube.
Right, but on the line he is currently on (Chytil, DiGiuseppe/Gauthier) who is he passing to? I am not saying he is Brett Hull, but FFS, I want him to shoot more. He looks great doing it as you mentioned it.
It's so technical these days it's all about bend, stride, power, step, angles, acceleration, etc.
So someone like Kakko next to your or I looks like elite, but next to McDavid or Hughes people see he's not as polished.
And bad is relative. so I hate to give examples.
IMO it's a like running a 4.5 40 which for most people is world class, but when you see a Tyreek Hill run a 4.2 you see how much different elite speed is.
In small spaces it doesn't make much difference (partly why Hughes struggled last year, he couldn't get to open space, he needed to be stronger - everywhere - on the boards cycling, in scrums, on his skates, etc), but in open space it's a big advantage.