great quote from JJ Watt on Rivers, who has been known to trash-talk opponents all the time (but never using expletives).
"Rivers calls out to one of our LB's prior to the snap and tells him he's out of position for the blitz we were about to run, and he was absolutely right!"
Rivers played on many loaded teams which were predicted to win the SB. He had many top notch skill position players
and far better offensive lineman in most of his years than
Eli. He was a bit of a garbage time QB who never won anything
performed in the NFL. I wanted nothing to do with him in the '04 draft with that sling throwing motion. Saw Bernie Kosar, 2.0.
But what a great career this guy had. I couldn't have been more wrong on how he performed. Did not have great playoff success, but a lot of that was bad timing playing in the AFC with Brady, Peyton and Roethlisberger.
Not sure he's first ballot, but he will get into Canton.
I am still stunned!!!! However he makes it works, he does. I mean still, even in the playoff games, he was shortarming the ball into the tighest windows. Great anticipation I suppose and understands what he sees.
Had a great career, stats and longevity, that will get him the HOF eventually, and also because he's part of one of the best QB classes of all time does help him.
great quote from JJ Watt on Rivers, who has been known to trash-talk opponents all the time (but never using expletives).
"Rivers calls out to one of our LB's prior to the snap and tells him he's out of position for the blitz we were about to run, and he was absolutely right!"
Another good ones is Rivers running down the field yelling at a defender after a big play:
"You talked the whole game, now you're on MUTE!!!"
performed in the NFL. I wanted nothing to do with him in the '04 draft with that sling throwing motion. Saw Bernie Kosar, 2.0.
He was considered an early 2nd round prospect by the draftniks before his showing at the Senior Bowl working with the Chargers staff. I remember the announcers watching all the QBs struggle and explaining how they are working with unfamiliar receivers, etc, etc, and then Rivers steps on the field and it was like he was playing catch in the backyard as he moved the offense down field with ease. The difference between him and the other QBs that day was eye opening. The Chargers fell in love with him (full bloom I here!)...
That are neither strong armed nor especially athletic, they just have such a mental command of the field and an instinct for speading through their progressions and finding the open man. Joe Montana and Tom Brady are the best examples, but I think Rivers also falls into that category.
This year's multi-million dollar question: Does Mac Jones belong in that category?
The main knock on Rivers will likely be his lack of playoff success
and championships, since he never made it to the Super Bowl. Everybody who played for the Vikings in the 60s and 70s, who had four Super Bowl losses, got docked at least a year, like Alan Page (1 year), Fran Tarkenton (3 years), Carl Eller (25 years), and Mick Tingelhoff (32 years), to give examples.
in 2018 . It took 2 years for the rest of him to catch up. I can’t see how he is an HOFer. I don’t have any problem with someone questioning whether Eli should get in , although I think he will . But it makes me sad that Phil Simms never got in . He’s better than both Eli & Rivers .
That are neither strong armed nor especially athletic, they just have such a mental command of the field and an instinct for speading through their progressions and finding the open man. Joe Montana and Tom Brady are the best examples, but I think Rivers also falls into that category.
This year's multi-million dollar question: Does Mac Jones belong in that category?
Mac Jones belong in the question even? Hard to argue he has the mental aspect when everything is beyond easy for him.
People get lost in the measurables, and generally, you need a certain amoutn to be succesful, but it's all about the mental makeup of these guys. Not just on the field, but what they are doing off it. That is the MOST important thing.
in 2018 . It took 2 years for the rest of him to catch up. I can’t see how he is an HOFer. I don’t have any problem with someone questioning whether Eli should get in , although I think he will . But it makes me sad that Phil Simms never got in . He’s better than both Eli & Rivers .
The big knock on Simms is likely his injury history; it took him until his sixth season to start a whole season and that likely hurt his stats. He also only made the Pro Bowl twice (likely due to playing in the era of quarterbacks like Montana, Elway, Kelly, and Marino to name a few) and the Giants' passing game wasn't deemed as important; even with the 1986 Giants they won in spite of their passing game and Simms threw more interceptions than touchdowns that year.
RE: QBs who make the Hall of Fame never having won anything
should have to be otherwise legendary figures: transcendent talents.
Marino, Moon, Tarkenton, Kelly are in the Hall without ever winning championships.
Moon aside, the other three at least got to the title game and lost.
Rivers was never a top 3 QB in the NFL, likely never top 5 in any one season, but not 100% confident his best season or two didn't crack that.
He should have to buy a ticket to the Hall of Fame.
He went to the pro bowl 8 times. Only 6 QBs make the pro bowl every year. You don't think he was EVER a top 5 QB in any given year?
You go to that many pro bowls, put up the career numbers he had, have the longevity and durability that he had, you deserve to go to the HOF in my opinion. He's the greatest QB to never play in a super bowl IMO. I don't think the HOF should be limited to only players who have played in a SB (exhibit A: Barry Sanders), so I think the greatest QB to ever not play in a SB should be in the HOF.
Now, if he gets in before Eli Manning? Then yeah, I'm gonna be pissed as hell. But he deserves to get in at some point.
this site was weird about any other young QB for years when Eli was drafted. They were all overrated. Rivers and Ben got the most shit. You have to be in that mindset still if you can't concede that Rivers was a top 5 qb for a number of years.
to come from the players and coaches which goes pretty damn far.
Anyone that cares to look at the link, breaks down statistically why he deserves it, and it's adjusted for era.
Guy was a very good QB that had a ton of longevity in the league and was consistently very good. The Chargers had crap around him for most his career and pretty much his only chance at SB was in his early career. The Chargers are also a team that seem to have had a season-altering injury in camp every year the last 10 years, pretty crazy. Link - ( New Window )
Brady not the goat? Ok maybe but who is the best qb of his era? And which one he’s been playing since 2001
in 2018 . It took 2 years for the rest of him to catch up. I can’t see how he is an HOFer. I don’t have any problem with someone questioning whether Eli should get in , although I think he will . But it makes me sad that Phil Simms never got in . He’s better than both Eli & Rivers .
The big knock on Simms is likely his injury history; it took him until his sixth season to start a whole season and that likely hurt his stats. He also only made the Pro Bowl twice (likely due to playing in the era of quarterbacks like Montana, Elway, Kelly, and Marino to name a few) and the Giants' passing game wasn't deemed as important; even with the 1986 Giants they won in spite of their passing game and Simms threw more interceptions than touchdowns that year.
The knock on Simms should be his defense was better than their offense and the were a run first team ; he also got a ring watching from the sidelines on crutches
got me hooked on giants in my formative years. But he was not as good as Eli not even close. And no way is leading a team against the goat in a SB win. Kerry Collins was a better QB than Simms so was Kurt Warner .
RE: RE: QBs who make the Hall of Fame never having won anything
should have to be otherwise legendary figures: transcendent talents.
Marino, Moon, Tarkenton, Kelly are in the Hall without ever winning championships.
Moon aside, the other three at least got to the title game and lost.
Rivers was never a top 3 QB in the NFL, likely never top 5 in any one season, but not 100% confident his best season or two didn't crack that.
He should have to buy a ticket to the Hall of Fame.
He went to the pro bowl 8 times. Only 6 QBs make the pro bowl every year. You don't think he was EVER a top 5 QB in any given year?
You go to that many pro bowls, put up the career numbers he had, have the longevity and durability that he had, you deserve to go to the HOF in my opinion. He's the greatest QB to never play in a super bowl IMO. I don't think the HOF should be limited to only players who have played in a SB (exhibit A: Barry Sanders), so I think the greatest QB to ever not play in a SB should be in the HOF.
Now, if he gets in before Eli Manning? Then yeah, I'm gonna be pissed as hell. But he deserves to get in at some point.
I think "the greatest QB to never play in a Super Bowl" is a title that shows why someone doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Team sports are team-dependent yet quarterback is the most important position in all of team sports. He got to one AFC Championship game, deserves zero blame for the loss and all the kudos in the world for playing, but he had some very talented teams that never amounted to anything.
From where I sit, his career is largely forgettable: outside of having a million kids and being The Other Guy in the Eli Manning trade, what is Rivers remembered for? What are his career highlights? What are his defining moments?
Regarding Top 5 in any one season, I'd have to catalog every season. Keep in mind that in 2006-2009, the NFL included Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. In 2010, Aaron Rodgers emerges. In 2013, Russell Wilson emerged. In addition to Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning duo, Tony Romo as a regular season QB, etc.
I'd bet he was Top 5 in 2008: the year Tom Brady didn't play, and before the new guys arrived.
But here's the bigger takeaway for something like the Hall of Fame: the fact that Rivers's Top 5 NFL QB seasons don't jump out in my mind? That's a problem.
The Hall as constituted will put him in.
The Hall I'd prefer to see would keep him and a lot of people out, and would've kept a lot of more people out.
Brady will be the all time NFL leader in passing yards and touchdowns. And still going strong.
Wait, what? Playoffs don't count toward Regular Season passing yards and TDs, which is usually what people refer to when they're talking about leaders in those categories.
LoL
"Rivers calls out to one of our LB's prior to the snap and tells him he's out of position for the blitz we were about to run, and he was absolutely right!"
and far better offensive lineman in most of his years than
Eli. He was a bit of a garbage time QB who never won anything
But what a great career this guy had. I couldn't have been more wrong on how he performed. Did not have great playoff success, but a lot of that was bad timing playing in the AFC with Brady, Peyton and Roethlisberger.
Not sure he's first ballot, but he will get into Canton.
I am still stunned!!!! However he makes it works, he does. I mean still, even in the playoff games, he was shortarming the ball into the tighest windows. Great anticipation I suppose and understands what he sees.
Had a great career, stats and longevity, that will get him the HOF eventually, and also because he's part of one of the best QB classes of all time does help him.
All three were tremendous NFL players.
"Rivers calls out to one of our LB's prior to the snap and tells him he's out of position for the blitz we were about to run, and he was absolutely right!"
Another good ones is Rivers running down the field yelling at a defender after a big play:
"You talked the whole game, now you're on MUTE!!!"
This year's multi-million dollar question: Does Mac Jones belong in that category?
Over under on 11?
This year's multi-million dollar question: Does Mac Jones belong in that category?
Mac Jones belong in the question even? Hard to argue he has the mental aspect when everything is beyond easy for him.
People get lost in the measurables, and generally, you need a certain amoutn to be succesful, but it's all about the mental makeup of these guys. Not just on the field, but what they are doing off it. That is the MOST important thing.
The big knock on Simms is likely his injury history; it took him until his sixth season to start a whole season and that likely hurt his stats. He also only made the Pro Bowl twice (likely due to playing in the era of quarterbacks like Montana, Elway, Kelly, and Marino to name a few) and the Giants' passing game wasn't deemed as important; even with the 1986 Giants they won in spite of their passing game and Simms threw more interceptions than touchdowns that year.
Marino, Moon, Tarkenton, Kelly are in the Hall without ever winning championships.
Moon aside, the other three at least got to the title game and lost.
Rivers was never a top 3 QB in the NFL, likely never top 5 in any one season, but not 100% confident his best season or two didn't crack that.
He should have to buy a ticket to the Hall of Fame.
He went to the pro bowl 8 times. Only 6 QBs make the pro bowl every year. You don't think he was EVER a top 5 QB in any given year?
You go to that many pro bowls, put up the career numbers he had, have the longevity and durability that he had, you deserve to go to the HOF in my opinion. He's the greatest QB to never play in a super bowl IMO. I don't think the HOF should be limited to only players who have played in a SB (exhibit A: Barry Sanders), so I think the greatest QB to ever not play in a SB should be in the HOF.
Now, if he gets in before Eli Manning? Then yeah, I'm gonna be pissed as hell. But he deserves to get in at some point.
Hilarious!
Colts are a win now team and Stafford is seasoned and good enough to take this team to a SB
Lions in a rebuild
Anyone that cares to look at the link, breaks down statistically why he deserves it, and it's adjusted for era.
Guy was a very good QB that had a ton of longevity in the league and was consistently very good. The Chargers had crap around him for most his career and pretty much his only chance at SB was in his early career. The Chargers are also a team that seem to have had a season-altering injury in camp every year the last 10 years, pretty crazy. Link - ( New Window )
Brady not the goat? Ok maybe but who is the best qb of his era? And which one he’s been playing since 2001
If Smith, Brees and Big Ben don't retire I'd be surprised.
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in 2018 . It took 2 years for the rest of him to catch up. I can’t see how he is an HOFer. I don’t have any problem with someone questioning whether Eli should get in , although I think he will . But it makes me sad that Phil Simms never got in . He’s better than both Eli & Rivers .
The big knock on Simms is likely his injury history; it took him until his sixth season to start a whole season and that likely hurt his stats. He also only made the Pro Bowl twice (likely due to playing in the era of quarterbacks like Montana, Elway, Kelly, and Marino to name a few) and the Giants' passing game wasn't deemed as important; even with the 1986 Giants they won in spite of their passing game and Simms threw more interceptions than touchdowns that year.
The knock on Simms should be his defense was better than their offense and the were a run first team ; he also got a ring watching from the sidelines on crutches
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should have to be otherwise legendary figures: transcendent talents.
Marino, Moon, Tarkenton, Kelly are in the Hall without ever winning championships.
Moon aside, the other three at least got to the title game and lost.
Rivers was never a top 3 QB in the NFL, likely never top 5 in any one season, but not 100% confident his best season or two didn't crack that.
He should have to buy a ticket to the Hall of Fame.
He went to the pro bowl 8 times. Only 6 QBs make the pro bowl every year. You don't think he was EVER a top 5 QB in any given year?
You go to that many pro bowls, put up the career numbers he had, have the longevity and durability that he had, you deserve to go to the HOF in my opinion. He's the greatest QB to never play in a super bowl IMO. I don't think the HOF should be limited to only players who have played in a SB (exhibit A: Barry Sanders), so I think the greatest QB to ever not play in a SB should be in the HOF.
Now, if he gets in before Eli Manning? Then yeah, I'm gonna be pissed as hell. But he deserves to get in at some point.
I think "the greatest QB to never play in a Super Bowl" is a title that shows why someone doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Team sports are team-dependent yet quarterback is the most important position in all of team sports. He got to one AFC Championship game, deserves zero blame for the loss and all the kudos in the world for playing, but he had some very talented teams that never amounted to anything.
From where I sit, his career is largely forgettable: outside of having a million kids and being The Other Guy in the Eli Manning trade, what is Rivers remembered for? What are his career highlights? What are his defining moments?
Regarding Top 5 in any one season, I'd have to catalog every season. Keep in mind that in 2006-2009, the NFL included Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. In 2010, Aaron Rodgers emerges. In 2013, Russell Wilson emerged. In addition to Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning duo, Tony Romo as a regular season QB, etc.
I'd bet he was Top 5 in 2008: the year Tom Brady didn't play, and before the new guys arrived.
But here's the bigger takeaway for something like the Hall of Fame: the fact that Rivers's Top 5 NFL QB seasons don't jump out in my mind? That's a problem.
The Hall as constituted will put him in.
The Hall I'd prefer to see would keep him and a lot of people out, and would've kept a lot of more people out.
Wait, what? Playoffs don't count toward Regular Season passing yards and TDs, which is usually what people refer to when they're talking about leaders in those categories.