-Springer a Blue Jay
-Quintana to LAA for 1 year 8. Bummed we didn’t land him at that price. Potential steal.
-Heyman says they had/have interest in Kike Hernandez but he is looking for a starting job. Maybe a platoon in CF with PT in other spots entices him?
-the new head of R& D is close with Justin Turner. Zero indication the Mets are interested but notable.
-have not shown interest in JBJ to this point
-Hand and Colome have both switched agents (Hand’s new agent does not have any Mets clients for anyone looking for that connection)
Either way I don't think going over is a big deal and whatever his concerns Shecky said he'd go over for a final piece type of move. I think they viewed Springer that way and I think that's why everyone was obviously in favor of that. For a back end starter or depth pickup though I can see why the difference in who can be picked up cheaper (like Luchessi was) may not be worth the extra $ and draft capital out the door.
Obviously you want a good farm system (it's critical to helping you win at the major league level), you want good analytics, good operations, good development, etc.
but the goal, why we are all here, is to win at the major league level.
If as a team you exceed the luxury tax threshold it should be a strategic decision, made because you feel like exceeding that LT enables you to get over the hump and win - AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE LEVEL.
Yes, there is a cost, but IMO that cost is well worth it.
You rarely see a team with major league success and a top tier minor league team. It happens, but it's rare.
so I see the cycle going - do what you can to improve the major league club, do it in a manner that protects the farm to the extent possible (even try and improve the farm too) but when you've built a contender (like the Mets) you can make that cobra strike and do what is necessary to put your team over the top. If that's sign a player LT, trade prospects, and/or exceed the LT - you do it and you are happy to do it.
The Wipons were never willing to go to that next level, but still came up just short in a WS - the difference is they build band-aid teams not sustained for the long haul.
And that's what I'm looking for now.
Either way I don't think going over is a big deal and whatever his concerns Shecky said he'd go over for a final piece type of move. I think they viewed Springer that way and I think that's why everyone was obviously in favor of that. For a back end starter or depth pickup though I can see why the difference in who can be picked up cheaper (like Luchessi was) may not be worth the extra $ and draft capital out the door.
The point is 700,000 in draft pool money loss would be extremely low on the totem pole of issues in deciding to be a repeat lux tax offender. They would have lost about 1.5 million AND a pick for signing any FA tied to a QO and we know they were IN on Springer and were "in" on Realmuto (he wasn't looking to sign quickly) that tells us this penalty if of little concern vs. others.
By my math and their lists, Mets should have a top 10 player at every position except 3B.
Doesn’t mean anything but kinda cool.
By my math and their lists, Mets should have a top 10 player at every position except 3B.
Doesn’t mean anything but kinda cool.
Yes and no, they have Nimmo in CF so assuming he's not, they also won't have a top 10 CF (or are unlikely to).
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Top 10 at every position with Alonso ranking today.
By my math and their lists, Mets should have a top 10 player at every position except 3B.
Doesn’t mean anything but kinda cool.
Yes and no, they have Nimmo in CF so assuming he's not, they also won't have a top 10 CF (or are unlikely to).
Yup just stating what their lists are. I do agree with them though that regardless of defense, Nimmo likely would finish in the top 10 in WAR in CF over a healthy season. His offense accelerates faster as WAR is position specific. His offense, while still great, isn’t worth as much in LF.
He likely won’t be in CF, but I still find it interesting.
Dodgers I agree with, the rarity, built for long-term success.
Let's see the rest sustain the major league success.
The small market teams generally do well until they are forced to trade their good players before having to pay them.
Maybe some like SD is flipping that by spending on players like Machado (though still mostly players on low salaries), and for TB, CLE, MIN etc. I'll believe it when I see it - my sense is they'll be competitive while they have cost controlled young talent.
Good discussion, that IMO takes more than a season or two to reach conclusions because it takes looking back and seeing what they did
Yup. I think looking at it also reaffirms a 3B/2B is the smarter target now(McNeil plays the other spot). As you’ve mentioned there’s a huge drop off from Springer left available while there are plenty of goof IF targets. I think we could get by with a Marisnick/Nimmo platoon if need be if the IF was rock solid.
It's bs. No way do they trade for Lindor without intentions of signing him to a long-term deal.
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What is any of Cohen's talk or money for if they let Lindor walk for "draft picks". That is the opposite of who Steve Cohen represented himself to be.
It's bs. No way do they trade for Lindor without intentions of signing him to a long-term deal.
And trade 2 shortstops in the process.
Turner, Hand, and Marisnick. Invite Gio to ST. Offseason over.
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Mets are hiring Kevin Howard as farm director. He was Indians hitting coordinator.
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The point is 700,000 in draft pool money loss would be extremely low on the totem pole of issues in deciding to be a repeat lux tax offender. They would have lost about 1.5 million AND a pick for signing any FA tied to a QO and we know they were IN on Springer and were "in" on Realmuto (he wasn't looking to sign quickly) that tells us this penalty if of little concern vs. others.
Isn't the bold the exact point? They were IN on Springer, even if it made it very likely they were going to get close or go over the LTT. Doesn't that prove that they are willing to be aggressive? They had every excuse to say they were out on him after acquiring Lindor/Carrasco if they wanted to.
And further isn't the Springer situation a perfect example of why you want to have flexibility so that way when a player of his ability comes along you can go after them without penalty?
I mean the biggest spending teams seem to operate this exact same way. They are willing to go over if they have to but they don't go over just to do so. They all seem to try to preserve flexibility and avoid repeat offender status.
Carton & Evan said rumor is 5 years $185mil.
Didn't say where he heard it from
If they sign him for multiple years, I wonder if on the flip side they'd consider moving Stroman, since that would bring the chances of resigning him down to 0.
Feinsand simply said the Mets and Angels are in the best position to land him. This is complete BS from Carton.
"Mets team president Sandy Alderson made it clear early in the winter that he likes Bauer, and even after signing Marcus Stroman, James McCann and Trevor May for a combined $75 million -- then trading for Francisco Lindor, who will earn $22.3 million in 2021 and command a huge extension likely exceeding $300 million -- new owner Steve Cohen has the financial wherewithal to sign Bauer (or anybody else, for that matter).
Pairing Bauer with Jacob deGrom atop the rotation would give the Mets a rock-solid 1-2 punch, with Stroman and eventually Noah Syndergaard forming a stellar group. Having missed out on Springer, will the Mets now turn their attention to Bauer?"
After this year the Mets would have Bauer, Stroman and Syndergaard all free agents.
QO's for all and try and sign Syndergaard (if he returns to pre TJS Syndergaard), see how Bauer pitches, and after winning the world series make the call the call on him too.
Let Stroman go for a pick.
2nd half rotation of
deGrom
Syndergaard
Carrasco
Bauer
Stroman
and then the depth is really depth (they'll need a 5th starter until Syndergaard comes back) and then Matz, Lucchesi, etc. can be used the way they should be used).
but that ship may have sailed, but who knows.
He's been saying this for... 2 months. His new article doesn't say ANYTHING new or revelatory. Carton is a complete BSer. I'd take Bauer in one second but this isn't even a "rumor".
I think they will bring 1 more vet SP into camp but I expect it to be in the 2-4m range and heavily incentive based. That would have 4 guys competing for 2 spots in ST, with 2 of them having options to go down and 2 non-guaranteed vets. Plus Thor coming back midseason.
Thanks Metnut. Still hate that trade, and I hate it more every day.
Stroman could go a long way toward making me not hate it by pitching lights out.
Would we get a 2nd or a 4th of Thor leaves?
Lol. Have absolutely no idea
They love Conforto and want to extend him and they want to extend Lindor and didn't think they can do both with Springer.
Also, says they have multiple options being kicked around for CF and expects that decision is not yet made.
I'm paraphrasing from the article.
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I get the general point but the article doesn’t make a ton of sense. The issue of Springer vs. Conforto existed from the beginning. There’s no reason that should have caused a difference in thinking in the middle of the offseason.
He had an incredible season and has been "ace" good 2 of the last 3. He's not DeGrom but if he's 2018 or 2020 Bauer (or something in between) the Mets would have the best rotation in baseball and the top 1-2 punch in baseball. The question is... who is the real Bauer?
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Mets are hiring Kevin Howard as farm director. He was Indians hitting coordinator.
Something about the Clev organization has Sandy's eye. Wonder if Mike Chernoff is back on the radar for 2022
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claims the Mets chose Conforto over Springer (basically) once they signed Lindor.
They love Conforto and want to extend him and they want to extend Lindor and didn't think they can do both with Springer.
Also, says they have multiple options being kicked around for CF and expects that decision is not yet made.
I'm paraphrasing from the article.
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I get the general point but the article doesn’t make a ton of sense. The issue of Springer vs. Conforto existed from the beginning. There’s no reason that should have caused a difference in thinking in the middle of the offseason.
Not quite, Lindor changed everything, because then it wasn't Conforto and Springer, it was Lindor, Conforto and Springer. and Springer and Conforto tying up something like 50M in two OF spots.
So I think the article says the Mets pursuit of Springer cooled once the Lindor trade was finalized.
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Something about the Clev organization has Sandy's eye. Wonder if Mike Chernoff is back on the radar for 2022
They churn out the pitching
Do that and you wind up spending 100+ million and make the lineup WORSE because then either Alonso or Dom has to sit. Or you have to trade Dom or Alonso, probably for pennies on the dollar because you painted yourself into a corner.
Also, how much longer can Springer play CF? A lot of talk about his defense has already slipped. Is a 37 year old Springer really going to play CF?
Finally, you would also basically be committed to letting either Conforto and/or Thor walk.
Sounds like Sandy made just a token effort to get him with a lowball offer. Makes me think Cohen was the one fixated on Springer.