-Springer a Blue Jay
-Quintana to LAA for 1 year 8. Bummed we didn’t land him at that price. Potential steal.
-Heyman says they had/have interest in Kike Hernandez but he is looking for a starting job. Maybe a platoon in CF with PT in other spots entices him?
-the new head of R& D is close with Justin Turner. Zero indication the Mets are interested but notable.
-have not shown interest in JBJ to this point
-Hand and Colome have both switched agents (Hand’s new agent does not have any Mets clients for anyone looking for that connection)
Trade route, Cain looks to be the best option. Don't know what they would give up. Maybe Betances to counteract some of the salary. Wouldn't want to give up much more than that for a salary dump.
Trade route, Cain looks to be the best option. Don't know what they would give up. Maybe Betances to counteract some of the salary. Wouldn't want to give up much more than that for a salary dump.
Gotta figure those 2 cost mid-teens combined. Seems far too pricey for the production to me. At that point go cheap in CF and add Wong. Lindor/Wong would be the best defensive MI in the sport
And I'm sure none of them spoke up or did anything specific or courageous beforehand until the coast was clear to grab the shovels and throw some dirt on Porter and the Mets.
JDD's bat plays and he could play for them in a variety of spots - OF, 3b, 1b, or DH. 1B would seem most likely since it looks like their current depth chart is topped by Daniel Vogelbach.
If anything I would think MIL would need to sweeten the pot with a prospect since they'd be saving $ and getting a cost controlled young bat.
He’s certainly worth calling but he’s going to be a starter and doesn’t help their CF needs. Wong is probably a better fit if they pivot off of CF
Sign Wong (let's say $10m to make it easy)
Sign Hand
Think that would all be within the remaining budget and give them multiple time gold glovers at SS, 2B, and CF. McNeil I suppose would become a full time 3B.
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While obviously not ideal, I think you can win with that, and fix it in 2022.
I'm as impatient as every Mets fan, but I hate to think of forcing bad fits or overpays to try and fix every single problem in one off-season.
Use the Springer money on Bauer high ACV low years deal (if Sandy can sell that) and roll with it.
Sign Wong (let's say $10m to make it easy)
Sign Hand
Think that would all be within the remaining budget and give them multiple time gold glovers at SS, 2B, and CF. McNeil I suppose would become a full time 3B.
That would be best case scenario at this point. Adding great defense, not losing any prospects.
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I'd be ok but not enthused with that duo. It may be the best they can do and it would be a step in the right direction but that's got to be plan B or C.
I'd be ok with Hernandez (or Turner) being a plan A over Wong if they don't want to play McNeil at 3b. But they did say they are considering him at 3rd so I'm not sure that's the case. Hernandez' versatility over Wong is a plus though even if you are losing some D at 2b. He's also presumably cheaper.
With the lineup, both the IF and OF have options. You can add an infielder but Guillorme/Davis are both likely as interesting as whoever you bring in.
A CF could work, but they likely are part of a rotation as none left will provide enough offense to justify sitting Dom or Nimmo if there isn’t a DH.
Losing Springer sucks but now that he’s off the table there isn’t a whole lot left to do.
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aimed at anyone on here but I'm really surprised how many people on twitter are willing to spend almost 20 million for the next 2 seasons for a JBJ/Hernandez platoon. Pass from me.
I'd be ok but not enthused with that duo. It may be the best they can do and it would be a step in the right direction but that's got to be plan B or C.
I'd be ok with Hernandez (or Turner) being a plan A over Wong if they don't want to play McNeil at 3b. But they did say they are considering him at 3rd so I'm not sure that's the case. Hernandez' versatility over Wong is a plus though even if you are losing some D at 2b. He's also presumably cheaper.
I think it's very silly to commit that kind of money for a very mediocre offensive combination. It seems like it's spending just to spend. Hernandez isn't a good offensive player. I'd sign one or the other. Not have 20ish million on the books for multiple seasons.
Hasn't his D been declining?
Yeah, I was just thinking out loud. If it's $20 million for the two, pass. Ideally JBJ would be a right. But, maybe they just say eff it and go with the lefty if they can't get a Cain deal done. Cain would be ideal though.
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aimed at anyone on here but I'm really surprised how many people on twitter are willing to spend almost 20 million for the next 2 seasons for a JBJ/Hernandez platoon. Pass from me.
Yeah, I was just thinking out loud. If it's $20 million for the two, pass. Ideally JBJ would be a right. But, maybe they just say eff it and go with the lefty if they can't get a Cain deal done. Cain would be ideal though.
Safe to assume they end up "near" 20 million. I've seen JBJ anywhere from 8-12 per and Kike 7-9 per.
Hasn't his D been declining?
JBJ is still plus in CF. Tied with Bellinger for #1 in OAA in CF.
The issue with that is Familia makes about $10 million a year, where Betances is half that. If Cain is a salary dump I can see them taking back a Betances, but the Familia contract is a bad one. I don't see it. I see Betances/JDD
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And need to add both some pitching... I think JDD/Familia would be a good fit for them.
The issue with that is Familia makes about $10 million a year, where Betances is half that. If Cain is a salary dump I can see them taking back a Betances, but the Familia contract is a bad one. I don't see it. I see Betances/JDD
in fairness, the Brewers would save 17 million in 2022 (minus whatever JDD makes). But I wouldn't think twice for Betances either.
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And need to add both some pitching... I think JDD/Familia would be a good fit for them.
The issue with that is Familia makes about $10 million a year, where Betances is half that. If Cain is a salary dump I can see them taking back a Betances, but the Familia contract is a bad one. I don't see it. I see Betances/JDD
in fairness, the Brewers would save 17 million in 2022 (minus whatever JDD makes). But I wouldn't think twice for Betances either.
True, but the savings would be only about $5-6 million this year between Cain and Familia. Then you add in $2.3 million for JDD. I would prefer a Familia/JDD trade than a Betances/JDD, but I don't see the Brewers doing it.
While obviously not ideal, I think you can win with that, and fix it in 2022.
I'm as impatient as every Mets fan, but I hate to think of forcing bad fits or overpays to try and fix every single problem in one off-season.
Use the Springer money on Bauer high ACV low years deal (if Sandy can sell that) and roll with it.
Been thinking this for a while. Let's say Nimmo turns in an average season - nothing more, nothing less. He'd give you .258, a ton of hustle and a good clubhouse guy, plus an average OPS of 838. Keep adding to the bench and the BP and I think we're fine.
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Agreed. Also I wouldn't be signing Hernandez for CF. I'd hope to sign him to a 2 year deal to be the utility guy who can start in a variety of spots depending on where you need him. And if McNeil wins 3b it's possibly he could be your primary competition with Guillorme at 2b. Hernandez has been very good defensively by both OAA (+4 the last 2 years) and DRS (+21 the last 2 years combined).
So he's presumably a cheaper, more versatile, alternative to Wong that would still give them very good defense at 2b if that's where he ends up playing.
I have very little interest in JBJ unless they strike out on other options first and get him on a 1 year deal.
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Offensively Kike makes more hard contact than Wong and that's backed up by just about every metric - SLG%, exit velocity, hard hit rate, barrel% etc. Though Wong does K less.
Where Hernandez' value really stands out is that he can play anywhere. 2b, 3b, OF, whatever. He's used to coming off the bench. If you pay Wong it's as a starting 2b.
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Wade Davis' deal with the #Royals will pay him $1.25 million if he's on their big-league roster with $925,000 in incentives. He also has an opt-out if he doesn't make their opening-day roster.