review. TE is quite possibly the most brutal position group on the team. I am tired of Engram allowing balls to go right through his hands, and then watching them bounce lazily into the air for easy "pop fly" INTs. Someone said that six INTs Giants QBs threw this year were directed at Engram. I think he stayed on the field because he was one of the few skill position players with any speed or explosion, especially after Barkley was injured. He also never really improved as a blocker. He's more of an athlete than a football player. He would have been better in track and field. He might have been a terrific decathlete. We should have traded him, and I hope we still do.
We also didn't get enough from Toilolo given what we paid to sign him. Smith essentially disappeared.
review. TE is quite possibly the most brutal position group on the team. I am tired of Engram allowing balls to go right through his hands, and then watching them bounce lazily into the air for easy "pop fly" INTs. Someone said that six INTs Giants QBs threw this year were directed at Engram. I think he stayed on the field because he was one of the few skill position players with any speed or explosion, especially after Barkley was injured. He also never really improved as a blocker. He's more of an athlete than a football player. He would have been better in track and field. He might have been a terrific decathlete. We should have traded him, and I hope we still do.
We also didn't get enough from Toilolo given what we paid to sign him. Smith essentially disappeared.
And I hope the point was emphasized. One can't say Garrett and Kitchens don't know how to use tight ends. That argument doesn't fly.
We love to hate on our own without context of the season. I googled interceptions by WR target - the only results I found quickly are from 2011 but here's the list
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
and EE was that once it became clear that he was a "coach killer" something that was clear to everyone - they never really went away from him. That really confused me.
We love to hate on our own without context of the season. I googled interceptions by WR target - the only results I found quickly are from 2011 but here's the list
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
Interceptions by target doesn’t tell the entire story. There is a lot that can happen contributing to those. Almost all, if not every single one of Engrams this season hit him right in the hands for easy completions and he just missed the damn ball and knocked it into the air for easy interceptions.
RE: I think my biggest issue with the coaching staff
and EE was that once it became clear that he was a "coach killer" something that was clear to everyone - they never really went away from him. That really confused me.
I'm more upset that they kept throwing short routes to him over the middle. You figure after the third or fourth bouncing off of his hands and into the arms of a defender, you might... I don't know... maybe, stop doing that.
Engram has to be the most irritating player in NYG history
Maybe Dayne beats him to that moniker but there is an argument.
The Giants need a real TE. We have never been a flash offense and it doesn't look like we are going to be that anytime soon. To me a decent 2 way TE will go a long way in helping this team keep the ball. I would love a Kelce, a Kittle, a Henry or an Andrews but I would be fine with a Ebron, a Schultz, a Howard or a Kmet.
Someone that a QB can trust to catch the damn ball in pressure situations.
We love to hate on our own without context of the season. I googled interceptions by WR target - the only results I found quickly are from 2011 but here's the list
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
I have no idea what your point is but, EE sucks, end of story. He can't block, runs shitty routes and drops passes when they HAVE to be caught and he tends to drop them UP where they get intercepted.
The striking thing about ALL Great Pass Catchers is their body control and flexibility and the acrobatic ability to remain under control when seemingly impossible out of control. We measure size and speed... maybe that "measurement" only comes up with an Eye Test in person or when watching film. It's a talent that allows guys to make throws from any angle, in baseball or football. It allows basketball players to do arial acrobatics and odd shot releases.
Engram is a straight line athlete...and he's pretty spectacular in a straight line.
from the same player can do to a season. 2 game swing easy in our case, i've never seen anything like it considering how big of an impact such a small sample size garnered.
from the same player can do to a season. 2 game swing easy in our case, i've never seen anything like it considering how big of an impact such a small sample size garnered.
Here's an analogy, Evan Engram & Gary Sanchez
Ballyhooed foot speed vs top end bat speed;
One can't block lineman the other can't block pitches
One drops passes and the other strikes out.
One scores sporadic but welcome touchdowns while the other wows us with sporadic but welcome home runs.
Frustrating physical abilities disproportionate to on field production.
Both in line for major raises in salary.
And for both, what the hell do their teams do to them!
You've got it all figured out - don't let the facts stand in your way.
Everyone has been harping on 6 ints when he was targeted - I posted a list of ints when targeted that includes a number of great receivers, and the bbi experts throw out every justification possible.
first off - all 6 were not easily catchable that he just missed. That's bs
Second, he doesn't just flat suck. That's not a fact, that's an ill-informed opinion.
The point is the offense sucked, for a variety of reasons. QB, OL, scheme, WRs, and TE. I can't tell you the distribution of blame but it goes everywhere.
Obviously the coaching staff falls closer to my viewpoint than all the experts on here since he continues to play and his option was picked up.
Also - as far as not seeing the same things in other teams
Does anyone remember Cee Dee Lambs drop against the cowboys? It was literally the 2nd to last play - he dropped one right in his hands that he probably walks into the end zone. That was a far easier catch than many of EE drops. Cowboys win, Giants lose.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
I love Tight Ends - the key to football is the dual threat of run/pass. The D is trying to figure out what you're doing based on personnel. Nothing keeps defenses off balance more than a TE who can do everything.
The Giants are trying to be a versatile, do everything offense. They want to run the ball. This year they had Engram (a WR playing TE), Kaden Smith (OK blocker, nothing as a receiver) and Toilolo (OK blocker, nothing as a receiver).
A #1 WR is a huge need but nothing would improve the offense more than a Stud 2-way TE.
.....I just don't think he is a guy that will be part of this program when it's ready to win. Just a hunch, and also what I see.
Has all the talent...something is just amiss. I'd try to unload him for a draft pick.
I'd rather see us go for a TE in the draft, the more classic TE who blocks and also is a pass catching threat over the middle, breaks tackles.....plays PHYSICAL all the time.
Engram is the antithesis of that.
RE: Also - as far as not seeing the same things in other teams
Does anyone remember Cee Dee Lambs drop against the cowboys? It was literally the 2nd to last play - he dropped one right in his hands that he probably walks into the end zone. That was a far easier catch than many of EE drops. Cowboys win, Giants lose.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
But in the case of the Giants the main culprit is EE. He does not fit in a more ball control offense that we seem to be moving too. He is a decent player that would be better suited to a team that has a more open offense IMO
RE: Also - as far as not seeing the same things in other teams
Does anyone remember Cee Dee Lambs drop against the cowboys? It was literally the 2nd to last play - he dropped one right in his hands that he probably walks into the end zone. That was a far easier catch than many of EE drops. Cowboys win, Giants lose.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
Lamb is a first year player who made a ton of plays as a rookie. His upside/potential looks very promising.
Engram is going into his 5th year and looks to be the same player...no different than 2017 when he was drafted.
from the same player can do to a season. 2 game swing easy in our case, i've never seen anything like it considering how big of an impact such a small sample size garnered.
Officially, he had eight drops.
If you want to put it in perspective you can do it like this.
63 catches
8 drops
=
71 balls that hit his hands
Meaning he dropped over 10% of the balls that hit his hands.....
Can definitely say that about several positions but there’s no question that the Giants need help at the position. I always thought Engram was a terrible draft pick but not because he dropped some many balls and was a weak blocker. The Giants have not been able to run the ball even during the Reese years and I never understood why he didn’t make it a priority to get a TE who could help the running game. Instead, Reese drafts a TE who is a matchup problem but Eli really didn’t get enough time to throw deep enough to take advantage. Plus, he passed over Ramzyk in the draft who became a very good RT, a position the Giants have not adequately filled in many years.
And, I don’t get how Gettleman wasted money and a slot signing Toilio. He’s been on enough teams for a front office to see that he brings almost nothing to the team. It almost reminds me of the Ogletree trade. It’s not like the players weaknesses were a secret. I want to see the Giants find a TE like Kevin Boss. He’ll do everything ok, nothing great but you’ll have a TE who can hold onto the ball and who can run block and pass block. Won’t make any pro bowls but does the job. We haven’t had a good one like Boss maybe since Boss.
then they need to consider "Baby Gronk" Pat Freiermuth in the 2nd round. He's the guy that looks the part of a real two-way TE and plays that smashmouth style that Judge loves.
You've got it all figured out - don't let the facts stand in your way.
Everyone has been harping on 6 ints when he was targeted - I posted a list of ints when targeted that includes a number of great receivers, and the bbi experts throw out every justification possible.
first off - all 6 were not easily catchable that he just missed. That's bs
What do you mean that the 6 were not easily catchable?? On 5 of the targets, get got his hands on the ball and deflected it. 2 of them were deflected up where a defender easily caught it. 2 of them were through his hands, slightly altered, but not enough to keep the defender behind him from picking it off. The other one was in his hands, he then bobbled it while trying to run and the defender had it. Since he never had possession and the ball never hit the ground, it was an INT and not a fumble.
The 6th target was one where he slipped down and the ball went to the LB standing directly behind him.
then they need to consider "Baby Gronk" Pat Freiermuth in the 2nd round. He's the guy that looks the part of a real two-way TE and plays that smashmouth style that Judge loves.
I've watched some film on Pitts, and I most often see him as a receiving tight end. He is very good to excellent at receiving. What concerns me is the little blocking I've seen him attempt, was not good at all.
Would be fine if the entire Tight End grouping was replaced
There is nothing any of them provide that is truly value-add to the Offense, at all. And it is a stretch to suggest that any of them underachieved or can develop into better football players in the near future. They simply are not good at their jobs.
Don't need to add top of the line guys in free agency or draft in any desperate fashion. Just find some average receiving targets with average blocking skills and rebuild the unit. If the stars align and they can get their hands on a top prospect then fine, just don't act desperate.
The one thing I would do though is get one or two guys with some height so they can at least be targets for the end zone plays. Young QBs need that.
and, to some degree, that's true here and both sides seem to make compelling arguments.
Even my defining moment is not necessarily defining. I will never forget the drop against PHila. I think Garrett kept that play hidden until he needed it.. He pulled it out at the right moment, the game and perhaps the season were on the line and nobody can make excuses for the miss.
So that's my defining moment, which I promptly un-define. I think he was our chief and virtually only option after Barkely went down. I think there's a lot of pressure that goes with that and a lot of attention from a defense too.
My suspicion (it's more like a hope) is that we will get Barklay back and somewhere/somehow pick up a fine WR who can get deep. Then he can fill the role he was meant to play and bedevil defensive coordinators.
We shall see but I'm not ready to completely quit on the guy until he see him in the circumstances they imagined when he was drafted.
For having TWO coaches who know how to get the most out of TE's
We got zero or even negative return. Engram has been discussed ad nauseam here. If they don't move on from him in some form its their own fault for the failure he will cause. For all the talk of Smith being the better blocker, there were more than a few occasions where he just whiffed, and badly. With his size I would have loved to see Toilolo out there more often, but I guess he just wasn't good and there's a reason he couldn't make it on 3 previous teams. So we have a run oriented attack with 0 capable tight ends and then we lost our primary runner. Combined with a OL that was just coming together I can see why we were the lowest ranked offense in the league(or there abouts).
then they need to consider "Baby Gronk" Pat Freiermuth in the 2nd round. He's the guy that looks the part of a real two-way TE and plays that smashmouth style that Judge loves.
I've watched some film on Pitts, and I most often see him as a receiving tight end. He is very good to excellent at receiving. What concerns me is the little blocking I've seen him attempt, was not good at all.
That’s concerning since we need our TEs to be better blockers as well. I think Pitts is a large WR, like Engram. We would have to get rid of Engram and beef up our TEs, if we draft Pitts IMO.
The striking thing about ALL Great Pass Catchers is their body control and flexibility and the acrobatic ability to remain under control when seemingly impossible out of control. We measure size and speed... maybe that "measurement" only comes up with an Eye Test in person or when watching film. It's a talent that allows guys to make throws from any angle, in baseball or football. It allows basketball players to do arial acrobatics and odd shot releases.
Engram is a straight line athlete...and he's pretty spectacular in a straight line.
Very well said.
RE: Also - as far as not seeing the same things in other teams
Does anyone remember Cee Dee Lambs drop against the cowboys? It was literally the 2nd to last play - he dropped one right in his hands that he probably walks into the end zone. That was a far easier catch than many of EE drops. Cowboys win, Giants lose.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
For one thing, Lamb was a rookie. If he continued to drop multiple passes like that in his 4th year, then yeah, it's time to move on.
Furthermore, you can't just look at number of drops without looking at number of targets.
Engram was targeted 109 times this year and dropped 8, which is 7%. Compare that to Travis Kelce who was targeted 156 times and dropped 2. A drop rate of 1%.
If you're looking at team leaders, Davante Adams was targeted 159 times and didn't drop a single ball. Deandre Hopkins was targeted 160 times and dropped one. Diggs dropped 5 on 186 targets.
Also, it's not just drops. EE seems to specialize in practically helping defenses intercept his drops. Like - here you go..
in short-yardage situations. He seemed to have good hands, especially when he wasn't running – just taking a few strides to an open space. We certainly didn't have a whole lot of better options.
We also didn't get enough from Toilolo given what we paid to sign him. Smith essentially disappeared.
We also didn't get enough from Toilolo given what we paid to sign him. Smith essentially disappeared.
And I hope the point was emphasized. One can't say Garrett and Kitchens don't know how to use tight ends. That argument doesn't fly.
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
Interceptions by target doesn’t tell the entire story. There is a lot that can happen contributing to those. Almost all, if not every single one of Engrams this season hit him right in the hands for easy completions and he just missed the damn ball and knocked it into the air for easy interceptions.
I'm more upset that they kept throwing short routes to him over the middle. You figure after the third or fourth bouncing off of his hands and into the arms of a defender, you might... I don't know... maybe, stop doing that.
The Giants need a real TE. We have never been a flash offense and it doesn't look like we are going to be that anytime soon. To me a decent 2 way TE will go a long way in helping this team keep the ball. I would love a Kelce, a Kittle, a Henry or an Andrews but I would be fine with a Ebron, a Schultz, a Howard or a Kmet.
Someone that a QB can trust to catch the damn ball in pressure situations.
Yes, 6 is bad, but it does not necessarily reflect an awful season. There's a lot of quality players on this list...Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne...our own Mario Manningham
Crummy qb play, poor schemes requiring tough throws, there's many reasons for the ints.
Don't misunderstand, Engram is maddening at times and missed a handful of important throws, but when your offense is bereft of talent, bad things happen for a variety of reasons.
Player Team Ints
82-K.Winslow TB 7
89-S.Smith CAR 6
83-V.Jackson SD 6
17-D.Moore OAK 6
13-St.Johnson BUF 5
84-R.White ATL 5
83-F.Davis WAS 5
87-R.Wayne IND 5
87-B.Celek PHI 4
86-D.Nelson BUF 4
12-A.Roberts ARI 4
82-M.Manningham NYG 4
I have no idea what your point is but, EE sucks, end of story. He can't block, runs shitty routes and drops passes when they HAVE to be caught and he tends to drop them UP where they get intercepted.
Engram is a straight line athlete...and he's pretty spectacular in a straight line.
One of:
Henry
Jonnu Smith
Tonyan
Everett
even a stop gap like:
Cook
Eifert
Hell, get 2 of them. Other than Henry and Smith these guys should be reasonably priced.
Officially, he had eight drops.
Ballyhooed foot speed vs top end bat speed;
One can't block lineman the other can't block pitches
One drops passes and the other strikes out.
One scores sporadic but welcome touchdowns while the other wows us with sporadic but welcome home runs.
Frustrating physical abilities disproportionate to on field production.
Both in line for major raises in salary.
And for both, what the hell do their teams do to them!
Everyone has been harping on 6 ints when he was targeted - I posted a list of ints when targeted that includes a number of great receivers, and the bbi experts throw out every justification possible.
first off - all 6 were not easily catchable that he just missed. That's bs
Second, he doesn't just flat suck. That's not a fact, that's an ill-informed opinion.
The point is the offense sucked, for a variety of reasons. QB, OL, scheme, WRs, and TE. I can't tell you the distribution of blame but it goes everywhere.
Obviously the coaching staff falls closer to my viewpoint than all the experts on here since he continues to play and his option was picked up.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
I love Tight Ends - the key to football is the dual threat of run/pass. The D is trying to figure out what you're doing based on personnel. Nothing keeps defenses off balance more than a TE who can do everything.
The Giants are trying to be a versatile, do everything offense. They want to run the ball. This year they had Engram (a WR playing TE), Kaden Smith (OK blocker, nothing as a receiver) and Toilolo (OK blocker, nothing as a receiver).
A #1 WR is a huge need but nothing would improve the offense more than a Stud 2-way TE.
Has all the talent...something is just amiss. I'd try to unload him for a draft pick.
I'd rather see us go for a TE in the draft, the more classic TE who blocks and also is a pass catching threat over the middle, breaks tackles.....plays PHYSICAL all the time.
Engram is the antithesis of that.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
But in the case of the Giants the main culprit is EE. He does not fit in a more ball control offense that we seem to be moving too. He is a decent player that would be better suited to a team that has a more open offense IMO
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
Lamb is a first year player who made a ton of plays as a rookie. His upside/potential looks very promising.
Engram is going into his 5th year and looks to be the same player...no different than 2017 when he was drafted.
Huge difference.
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from the same player can do to a season. 2 game swing easy in our case, i've never seen anything like it considering how big of an impact such a small sample size garnered.
Officially, he had eight drops.
If you want to put it in perspective you can do it like this.
63 catches
8 drops
=
71 balls that hit his hands
Meaning he dropped over 10% of the balls that hit his hands.....
And, I don’t get how Gettleman wasted money and a slot signing Toilio. He’s been on enough teams for a front office to see that he brings almost nothing to the team. It almost reminds me of the Ogletree trade. It’s not like the players weaknesses were a secret. I want to see the Giants find a TE like Kevin Boss. He’ll do everything ok, nothing great but you’ll have a TE who can hold onto the ball and who can run block and pass block. Won’t make any pro bowls but does the job. We haven’t had a good one like Boss maybe since Boss.
Player Yards TDs DRAFT ROUND
1. Travis Kelce 1,416 11 3
2. Robert Tonyan 586 11 undrafted
3. Darren Waller 1,196 9 6
4. Jimmy Graham 456 8 3
5. Jonnu Smith 448 8 3
6. Mark Andrews 701 7 3
7. Jared Cook 504 7 3
8. Rob Gronkowski 623 7 2
9. Mike Gesicki 703 6 2
I think picking a TE is difficult and you have to be lucky.
Everyone has been harping on 6 ints when he was targeted - I posted a list of ints when targeted that includes a number of great receivers, and the bbi experts throw out every justification possible.
first off - all 6 were not easily catchable that he just missed. That's bs
What do you mean that the 6 were not easily catchable?? On 5 of the targets, get got his hands on the ball and deflected it. 2 of them were deflected up where a defender easily caught it. 2 of them were through his hands, slightly altered, but not enough to keep the defender behind him from picking it off. The other one was in his hands, he then bobbled it while trying to run and the defender had it. Since he never had possession and the ball never hit the ground, it was an INT and not a fumble.
The 6th target was one where he slipped down and the ball went to the LB standing directly behind him.
He should have caught all 6 passes.
I've watched some film on Pitts, and I most often see him as a receiving tight end. He is very good to excellent at receiving. What concerns me is the little blocking I've seen him attempt, was not good at all.
There is nothing any of them provide that is truly value-add to the Offense, at all. And it is a stretch to suggest that any of them underachieved or can develop into better football players in the near future. They simply are not good at their jobs.
Don't need to add top of the line guys in free agency or draft in any desperate fashion. Just find some average receiving targets with average blocking skills and rebuild the unit. If the stars align and they can get their hands on a top prospect then fine, just don't act desperate.
The one thing I would do though is get one or two guys with some height so they can at least be targets for the end zone plays. Young QBs need that.
Even my defining moment is not necessarily defining. I will never forget the drop against PHila. I think Garrett kept that play hidden until he needed it.. He pulled it out at the right moment, the game and perhaps the season were on the line and nobody can make excuses for the miss.
So that's my defining moment, which I promptly un-define. I think he was our chief and virtually only option after Barkely went down. I think there's a lot of pressure that goes with that and a lot of attention from a defense too.
My suspicion (it's more like a hope) is that we will get Barklay back and somewhere/somehow pick up a fine WR who can get deep. Then he can fill the role he was meant to play and bedevil defensive coordinators.
We shall see but I'm not ready to completely quit on the guy until he see him in the circumstances they imagined when he was drafted.
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then they need to consider "Baby Gronk" Pat Freiermuth in the 2nd round. He's the guy that looks the part of a real two-way TE and plays that smashmouth style that Judge loves.
I've watched some film on Pitts, and I most often see him as a receiving tight end. He is very good to excellent at receiving. What concerns me is the little blocking I've seen him attempt, was not good at all.
That’s concerning since we need our TEs to be better blockers as well. I think Pitts is a large WR, like Engram. We would have to get rid of Engram and beef up our TEs, if we draft Pitts IMO.
I have liked Engram more than most here.
Being a sub par blocker is OK if you are an elite in the pass game and he obviously is not.
Engram is a straight line athlete...and he's pretty spectacular in a straight line.
Very well said.
Players miss balls all the time. Should Lamb get cut?
For one thing, Lamb was a rookie. If he continued to drop multiple passes like that in his 4th year, then yeah, it's time to move on.
Furthermore, you can't just look at number of drops without looking at number of targets.
Engram was targeted 109 times this year and dropped 8, which is 7%. Compare that to Travis Kelce who was targeted 156 times and dropped 2. A drop rate of 1%.
If you're looking at team leaders, Davante Adams was targeted 159 times and didn't drop a single ball. Deandre Hopkins was targeted 160 times and dropped one. Diggs dropped 5 on 186 targets.
Also, it's not just drops. EE seems to specialize in practically helping defenses intercept his drops. Like - here you go..