#Giants are in the market for a new offensive line coach, per multiple sources. Dave DeGuglielmo's in-season arrival was on an interim basis and his contract expired at season's end. They are casting a wide net on replacements.
Says they don't want DeGuglielmo back. Since his contract is up it seems wise to investigate your possibilities. It sounds more like they aren't worried about DeGuglielmo leaving.
They must get this right, I am still concerned with Garrett although changing again was not the right move this season, hopefully adding a few more pieces can get this team to that next level and we are winning more games then losing and we play some post season games, but I expect the first criteria met, which means winning at least 9 games.
but makes sense. Judge and Columbo didn’t get along, DeG was brought in bc he was available and he had previous ties to the organization but he’s not Joe’s guy.
I posted this on the Garrett interview with LAC thread
We've already reached out to him. Apparently Saban has too. According to this person I know he's got "a lot of options" but also not necessarily looking for another relocation at this point which you'd have to think bodes well for us if we want him.
We tried twice to hire him away from Philly. Once when they canned Chip Kelly and again when we hired Shurmur. Roseman was big in not wanting him to leave Philly.
RE: I posted this on the Garrett interview with LAC thread
We've already reached out to him. Apparently Saban has too. According to this person I know he's got "a lot of options" but also not necessarily looking for another relocation at this point which you'd have to think bodes well for us if we want him.
We tried twice to hire him away from Philly. Once when they canned Chip Kelly and again when we hired Shurmur. Roseman was big in not wanting him to leave Philly.
Source says the Giants wanted DeGuglielmo back but the sides couldn't reach an agreement on a new deal. So DeGuglielmo is on the move again and the Giants are back in the market for an O-line coach
I wish there was some way Judge could tap into his NE connections and lure Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement and along with him, hire a younger guy for Scar to mentor.
Lots of coaches in first year tenures tend to make changes within first year or two as adjustments take shape and comfort/relations get built. Flores let go of a few coaches after just one year last year.
Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
Again proving the #Giants weren't bringing in a replacement for Marc Colombo. But it went sideways when Colombo threw a fit. Anyway, DeGuglielmo destined to be elsewhere in 2021. Following up on the above, the #Giants and interim OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo did have talks about him possibly staying on a permanent basis but the sides were unable to reach an agreement, sources say. So Joe Judge & Co. will be looking elsewhere.
RE: James Campen was the associate head coach & offensive line coach
Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
Good reporting...Adam Schefter
Beyond a couple big names, I don't really know who's a good Oline coach, so I'll have no opinion on who they hire. But connections like this I'm sure go a long way with Judge. Lots of teams just fired their coaches so i would think you start there with the speculation on who the choice might be.
RE: James Campen was the associate head coach & offensive line coach
Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
Considering we have a lot of hope pinned on a young line (Thomas, Peart, Gates, Hernandez, Lemeuix), this is THE position coach to push the boat out on.
Maybe he would be a good match for Judge since he passed the Nick Saban test. Would think a position with the Giants > Alabama.
I don't think Judge wants to poach Saban's or Belichick's coaching staff. This was a huge issue with both Saban and Belichick if I remember correctly. I know Judge brought in Burns but I don't think he was actually coaching at that point. Also, Bielema was a different of situation as well. I'm not sure if his contract was up in NE. He also got into a verbal altercation with a player. I'm not sure if he was staying in NE.
The ties to Judge are there via Alabama. The performance of his units (posted above) speaks for itself. I believe he officially held "run game coordinator" title in Philly in addition to being OL coach. We wanted him here twice before but Roseman wouldn't let him get away. Hopefully we can get him this time. As a side note, Stoutland went way back with Gilbride to their days at Southern Connecticut State.
Maybe he would be a good match for Judge since he passed the Nick Saban test. Would think a position with the Giants > Alabama.
'Stealing' a coach from Saban would probably piss him off and having a good relationship with him that you can lean on for possible insights into 'Bama players (or others that he recruited) seems valuable. Particularly this year with the limited games, opt outs and no combine.
back, he'd still be here. There is no cap on coaches and the Giants can afford it. Sounds like taking the high road for DeG publicly.
OK there's no cap, but there are, like, 20 other position coaches on the team and some kind of salary structure which they all fit into.
And they just ponied up some unspecified Brinks Truck full to keep Patrick Graham as DC/Assist HC.
Highly unlikely they'd pay out "whatever it takes" for any assist coach.
That's just made up speculation.
Giants likely had a value they placed on him as they did on Graham. They may have 'liked' his ability as OL coach but didn't feel he was irreplaceable. If you end up with a guy like Stoutland then you made out very well.
Giants know they need to be aggressive getting a good coach in here because our recent track history with OL has been less than stellar and we have a lot riding on a very young OL significantly improving next year both for Barkley and Daniel Jones.
Columbo's replacement wasn't helpful at all, in fact they seemed worse under DeG...
I'm sure Joe Judge has an idea who he wants, and I hope he gets him.
RE: RE: Doug Marrone is reported to be going to Alabama as OL coach
Maybe he would be a good match for Judge since he passed the Nick Saban test. Would think a position with the Giants > Alabama.
'Stealing' a coach from Saban would probably piss him off and having a good relationship with him that you can lean on for possible insights into 'Bama players (or others that he recruited) seems valuable. Particularly this year with the limited games, opt outs and no combine.
I am sure Judge knows how to speak nicely with Saban if they are both interested in the same coach. As far as DeGuglielmo, I think Campen and Stoutland (among others) being available made the Giants less willing to meet his salary demands. I also would not rule out Ben Wilkerson being promoted and then bringing someone in from the college ranks like Will Friend (OL Coach at Tennessee who just fired their head coach and he would have coached with Kevin Sherrer) as Assistant OL Coach.
it simply be that the Giants wanted to retain Gueg's but only as an assistant offensive line coach? I haven't seen anything that says they tried to keep him as THE offensive line coach, just that they wanted to retain him. The original intent Judge had in hiring him was as an assistant offensive line coach until the fight that occurred with Columbo. Maybe the Giants had interest in retaining him as an assistant while hiring a new Offensive Line Coach and Gueg's didn't accept the offer. That would make more sense than loosing your offensive line coach due to financials.
Hopefully Judge can bring in a difference maker.
can we even talk to Stoutland without Philly's approval. It is a lateral job and isn't he still employed by Philly
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can we even talk to Stoutland without Philly's approval. It is a lateral job and isn't he still employed by Philly
Not yet but once they hire a new HC we'll see if he is kept on.
We've already reached out to him. Apparently Saban has too. According to this person I know he's got "a lot of options" but also not necessarily looking for another relocation at this point which you'd have to think bodes well for us if we want him.
We tried twice to hire him away from Philly. Once when they canned Chip Kelly and again when we hired Shurmur. Roseman was big in not wanting him to leave Philly.
We've already reached out to him. Apparently Saban has too. According to this person I know he's got "a lot of options" but also not necessarily looking for another relocation at this point which you'd have to think bodes well for us if we want him.
We tried twice to hire him away from Philly. Once when they canned Chip Kelly and again when we hired Shurmur. Roseman was big in not wanting him to leave Philly.
Should have read "Saban had too"
Source says the Giants wanted DeGuglielmo back but the sides couldn't reach an agreement on a new deal. So DeGuglielmo is on the move again and the Giants are back in the market for an O-line coach
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It was odd indeed.
Not sure everybody is on the same page regarding the expectations of the OL as whole and the individuals on it.
Flores let go of a few coaches after just one year last year.
As is James Campen
Don't ever say that name on this board again.
Hopefully Judge can bring in a difference maker.
You mentioned the 2 coaches who can make a real difference. I’m not sure there are others out there.
He was closer to Chan Gailey than to Flores. A la Garrett and Colombo
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Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
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Again proving the #Giants weren't bringing in a replacement for Marc Colombo. But it went sideways when Colombo threw a fit. Anyway, DeGuglielmo destined to be elsewhere in 2021. Following up on the above, the #Giants and interim OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo did have talks about him possibly staying on a permanent basis but the sides were unable to reach an agreement, sources say. So Joe Judge & Co. will be looking elsewhere.
Adam Schefter
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Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
Good reporting...Adam Schefter
Beyond a couple big names, I don't really know who's a good Oline coach, so I'll have no opinion on who they hire. But connections like this I'm sure go a long way with Judge. Lots of teams just fired their coaches so i would think you start there with the speculation on who the choice might be.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Veteran OL coach James Campen is available after one year with Chargers. New Chargers HC Brandon Staley is bringing in his own O-line coach, per sources, so Campen — who helped develop players such as David Bakhtiari and Corey Linsley during his time in Green Bay — is free.
Interesting - will keep eye on. Good catch Anak.
- 2013: 1st
- 2014: 2nd
- 2015: 12th
- 2016: 8th
- 2017: 1st
- 2018: 1st
- 2019: 1st
- 2020: 15th (despite 14 different combinations, decimated by injury)
Considering we have a lot of hope pinned on a young line (Thomas, Peart, Gates, Hernandez, Lemeuix), this is THE position coach to push the boat out on.
And how would you know that?
Ask LBH15. Zing!
See Diggan's tweet above. Giants WANTED DeGoogs, but couldn't reach fiscal agreement with him.
This is NOT "good news" as so many are opining!
O'Hara would take a huge pay cut? TV work is far more lucrative and less demanding, hours-wise.
He's really good.
I don't think Judge wants to poach Saban's or Belichick's coaching staff. This was a huge issue with both Saban and Belichick if I remember correctly. I know Judge brought in Burns but I don't think he was actually coaching at that point. Also, Bielema was a different of situation as well. I'm not sure if his contract was up in NE. He also got into a verbal altercation with a player. I'm not sure if he was staying in NE.
So, it is possible, but I'd bet against it.
OK there's no cap, but there are, like, 20 other position coaches on the team and some kind of salary structure which they all fit into.
And they just ponied up some unspecified Brinks Truck full to keep Patrick Graham as DC/Assist HC.
Highly unlikely they'd pay out "whatever it takes" for any assist coach.
That's just made up speculation.
'Stealing' a coach from Saban would probably piss him off and having a good relationship with him that you can lean on for possible insights into 'Bama players (or others that he recruited) seems valuable. Particularly this year with the limited games, opt outs and no combine.
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back, he'd still be here. There is no cap on coaches and the Giants can afford it. Sounds like taking the high road for DeG publicly.
OK there's no cap, but there are, like, 20 other position coaches on the team and some kind of salary structure which they all fit into.
And they just ponied up some unspecified Brinks Truck full to keep Patrick Graham as DC/Assist HC.
Highly unlikely they'd pay out "whatever it takes" for any assist coach.
That's just made up speculation.
Giants likely had a value they placed on him as they did on Graham. They may have 'liked' his ability as OL coach but didn't feel he was irreplaceable. If you end up with a guy like Stoutland then you made out very well.
Giants know they need to be aggressive getting a good coach in here because our recent track history with OL has been less than stellar and we have a lot riding on a very young OL significantly improving next year both for Barkley and Daniel Jones.
I'm sure Joe Judge has an idea who he wants, and I hope he gets him.
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Maybe he would be a good match for Judge since he passed the Nick Saban test. Would think a position with the Giants > Alabama.
'Stealing' a coach from Saban would probably piss him off and having a good relationship with him that you can lean on for possible insights into 'Bama players (or others that he recruited) seems valuable. Particularly this year with the limited games, opt outs and no combine.
I am sure Judge knows how to speak nicely with Saban if they are both interested in the same coach. As far as DeGuglielmo, I think Campen and Stoutland (among others) being available made the Giants less willing to meet his salary demands. I also would not rule out Ben Wilkerson being promoted and then bringing someone in from the college ranks like Will Friend (OL Coach at Tennessee who just fired their head coach and he would have coached with Kevin Sherrer) as Assistant OL Coach.
This ought to be fun... define "most of us"