Alex Wilson of "Empire Sports Media" has pointed out that with over $96M of projected cap space for 2022, the Giants can backload contracts in 2021 and should have plenty of Cap space to get the guys they want. Alex Wilson - ( New Window )
It all depends how much you want to rob the future for now. If you are in it to win it, then sure and then pay the price, like the Saints and Eagles will do now.
The Giants aren't hamstrung but they can't go hog wild, especially with an expected reduced cap.
This is a very, very good year to be loaded with draft picks and likely a year teams are going to want more. Giants had 11 picks or something last year, which they can keep those players on the roster so they have a base of relatively moderate cost players.
You have to look at some of the money at Solder, Zeitler, Tate and then also look at players with no dead money hit and just freeing cash.
What I hope they do is sign an Edge, a WR, Leo and Tomlinson. Edge upgrade over Fackrell (like Kerrigan) and a WR upgrade (like Samuel or Robinson). They also need at least 1 backup RB.
In order to do that, they will have to free up a fair amount of cap and I think Zeitler would have to either restructure or be let go, Tate would have to go and Solder might have to be either the RT on a reduced contract or let go.
The Giants are fortunate to have a lot of young players with some NFL experience. They definitely aren't in a dominant position but there are teams much worse off then they are that have to shed players and need a ton of very low cost players this year. It could get ugly in New Orleans and Philadelphia to name a few spots.
Would be dumb, when you still have to pay Jones in the future. We still don’t know if he’s worthy of a second contract, he you have to leave your options open if he indeed does start playing like a franchise QB.
the dearth of talent this roster needs, and what is set to hit the market won't be worth the contract(s). Olivier Vernon and Nate Solder and Golden Tate say hi.
My guess is there will be some backloading, but they won't go wild.
They don't need to. They could use a 2nd starting corner, an edge, a right tackle, a dl if they let Tomlinson go, a receiver to replace Tate and a tight end to replace Engram. That's 6 players, but when you assume the first two draft picks should start, that leaves 4.
The new TV contract will be in place and if the NFL has half a brain they will pull the sunday NFL ticket from Directv. The cap will then will be much higher so back load away with players being on sale. The biggest question mark is how solvent the Giants or more specifically the Maras are with no fans in the stands. They are not the Jacksonville Jags owner who has tons of cap space and is a billionaire.
The new TV contract will be in place and if the NFL has half a brain they will pull the sunday NFL ticket from Directv. The cap will then will be much higher so back load away with players being on sale. The biggest question mark is how solvent the Giants or more specifically the Maras are with no fans in the stands. They are not the Jacksonville Jags owner who has tons of cap space and is a billionaire.
Well the Mara's aren't the only owners, there is also the Tisch's. John Mara is worth $500mil, Steve Tisch 1.2bil. So combined, the owners of this franchise are nearly multi-billionaires. They'll be fine...
Backloading contracts is like taking out a big loan
eventually you're going to have to pay that loan, and in the future you may not be able to make a shiny new purchase because you're still paying off debts from the previous years.
While it's fine to to it to create a little bit of wiggle room in a cap-strapped offseason, it would be dumb to go crazy.
I think best case scenario this offseason is re-signing Williams and Tomlinson (if they cut Zeitler), and maybe a guy like Curtis Samuel/Haason Reddick
Practically, new contract aren’t really backloaded. You’ll see fluff numbers to inflate the over all dollars, but little to none of that money is guaranteed. And players and agents obviously want that money now, in the form of signing bonuses and guaranteed salaries in the first years.
The linked tweet is simply showing the Giants are in good cap shape over the next 3 years, which is true and very good.
Are when teams are supposed to be poised to compete. We unfortunately kind of hit the rebuild cycle poorly and the reality is that year 4, assuming Jones has a massive rebound, will be the year for the giants to dabble significantly in free agency.
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
It is showing an increase cap in 2022 of over 50 million from the 2021 season. I don't see that happening
The belief is with a new TV contract and the return to live attendance that the cap will go up significantly.
50M is a real possibility
If they are truly confident the cap will go up like that we’ll know soon. With that kind of cap rise we could definitely afford LW, Tomlinson, and a high end wideout this year. It also wouldn’t stop us from extending Barkley, Peppers, and potentially Jones in the next 2-3 year time period. If they fear it will stay flat we’ll see one of LW and Tomlinson back and probably a small splash at WR (Samuel?).
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
I agree with this. But it can be hard not to fall in love with a play maker. When a star breaks free you have to sign him. Nate Solder, I didn't consider a star. There are so many injuries every year, the team that can have the next man up has the best chance. But maybe sprinkle in a play maker here and there. And QB is a category all on it own.
the dearth of talent this roster needs, and what is set to hit the market won't be worth the contract(s). Olivier Vernon and Nate Solder and Golden Tate say hi.
I don't think we even know what will hit the market at this point. I'm expecting there to be more CAP cuts than any other year. Not just because of the CAP decrease, but also it seems more than any year some teams are way over extended....looking at you Steelers/Eagles/Saints/Falcons.
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
Wonder what Kwon Alexander might get for a 1yr deal once he is cut from the Saints. Will he lose too much speed after the Torn Achilles. Pre-injury he would have made a great pairing with Blake Martinez but was too expensive...now maybe?
To dig deeper you see guys like Malcom Brown NT Siants that will be cut even though they are playing well. And all the discussions about resigning Tomlinson and not one mention of the possibility of Malcom Brown as a cheaper replacement. Why because he isn't a FA yet. So that's my point, a lot of the FA's talked about everyday on here won't even make it to FA and then there are a bunch of guys that are not FA's yet that soon will be that get no mention.
More concerned with finding a way to get more draft picks then finding more cap space.....
This will be a very, very odd free agency year and there is a chance we can benefit from it, or at least our defense can. If teams are unwilling to sign players to big deals you may see more players take “prove it” deals hoping the 2022 cap increase can lead to a bigger long term deal for them. They may take a look at Bradberry, Martinez, Ryan and Willams who had career years and target the Giants a place they can go excel in 2021, then get paid in 2022.
told me we have no cap and should look at second tier free agents that don’t make much of an impact like Curtis Samuel despite us having players similar to his skill set already on the roster and an absolute thirst for a certified #1 playmaker.
If we steal money from 2022 to get 2-4 big free agents as part of a way to fill 6 positions we think are key needs for 2021, we are not leaving money for the 2022 needs that we do not know about yet.....and there will be several as history would indicate.
If its a year from now and we have no cap money, we will hamstring ourselves and not be able to sign our own people never mind others
There is a fine balance and the draft has to be the ways to the means. And yes, I do believe we should spend some of 2022 money now.
But I'm not sure what their wealth or any owner's wealth has to do with the cap. No team is running their franchise intentionally not paying people.
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
bonus is cash on the barrel head. Kahn and Kraft can pull that cash from other operations when they need it pay it back when if the sports team generates the cash to do so. Other owners have to go to the bank if they don’t have the cash laying around. Not saying Mara, Tisch and the families don’t have it but having other cash generating operations helps the cash flow.
the owners absorbed the hit from loss revenues this year..
the alternative was asking the players to share proportionally in the reduced revenue. It's my understanding that that has to be paid back (to the owners)before the cap increases. That makes the inflated cap talked about here unlikely.
My interest or understanding of the cap is vague so maybe that's wrong, but I don't see how it could be otherwise,
And if you accept that DG HAS TO sign Williams (always within reason of course, he's not Aaron Donald) the question then becomes Dalvin Tomlinson in 2021 or BJ Hill in 2022. Hill has more upside as a pass rusher it would seem, but has yet to demonstrate he can plug up running lanes like DT does extremely well.
One wonders if it makes sense to franchise DT, or even to franchise LW again as a negotiating chip, as Bill2 suggested.
RE: I am fascinated by the Williams - Tomlinson FA dynamic.
And if you accept that DG HAS TO sign Williams (always within reason of course, he's not Aaron Donald) the question then becomes Dalvin Tomlinson in 2021 or BJ Hill in 2022. Hill has more upside as a pass rusher it would seem, but has yet to demonstrate he can plug up running lanes like DT does extremely well.
One wonders if it makes sense to franchise DT, or even to franchise LW again as a negotiating chip, as Bill2 suggested.
There is not the cap room to franchise DT as well as sign LW and sign anyone else.
I do not think DT will have a big market. there will be a pile of NTs or DTs on the market.
I just remember the Maras having to sell off to Tisch to begin with. They rely on the income from operations to live more so than other owners. With no gate revenue and unlikely to have had pandemic insurance. Wimbledon had pandemic insurance received 143 million I believe.
The "Maras" as you stated were two different people who hated each other.
I'm not sure if Wellington had the money or foresight to purchase the other half at that time. My guess at the time is that Tim would not have sold it to him anyway.
We were incredibly dysfunctional in the 70's because of the 50-50 split. So dysfuntional that Rozelle had to step in and convince them to hire George Young. We still have a 50-50 split which is an awful situation. So far the relationship between Mara/Tisch was much better than Wellington/Tim but who knows about the future.
Every year is what, bad teams do. We need to stop and build on what we currently have.
I don't think that's true. The biggest talent development on the Giants in 2020 came through UFA. Bradberry, Martinez, and Ryan were the all smart, economical, and successful acquisitions.
I just remember the Maras having to sell off to Tisch to begin with. They rely on the income from operations to live more so than other owners. With no gate revenue and unlikely to have had pandemic insurance. Wimbledon had pandemic insurance received 143 million I believe.
The Mara's didn't sell off half the team to Tish. Wellington owned half. This nephew owned the other half. They didn't get along. Tim sold his half to Tish. He wouldn't sell it to Wellington.
This is a critical offseason for the Giants. If they can trim the remaining fat from the poor 18/19 signings, and spend wisely, they can make strides.
The Giants aren't hamstrung but they can't go hog wild, especially with an expected reduced cap.
This is a very, very good year to be loaded with draft picks and likely a year teams are going to want more. Giants had 11 picks or something last year, which they can keep those players on the roster so they have a base of relatively moderate cost players.
You have to look at some of the money at Solder, Zeitler, Tate and then also look at players with no dead money hit and just freeing cash.
What I hope they do is sign an Edge, a WR, Leo and Tomlinson. Edge upgrade over Fackrell (like Kerrigan) and a WR upgrade (like Samuel or Robinson). They also need at least 1 backup RB.
In order to do that, they will have to free up a fair amount of cap and I think Zeitler would have to either restructure or be let go, Tate would have to go and Solder might have to be either the RT on a reduced contract or let go.
The Giants are fortunate to have a lot of young players with some NFL experience. They definitely aren't in a dominant position but there are teams much worse off then they are that have to shed players and need a ton of very low cost players this year. It could get ugly in New Orleans and Philadelphia to name a few spots.
But I'm not sure what their wealth or any owner's wealth has to do with the cap. No team is running their franchise intentionally not paying people.
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
Well the Mara's aren't the only owners, there is also the Tisch's. John Mara is worth $500mil, Steve Tisch 1.2bil. So combined, the owners of this franchise are nearly multi-billionaires. They'll be fine...
While it's fine to to it to create a little bit of wiggle room in a cap-strapped offseason, it would be dumb to go crazy.
I think best case scenario this offseason is re-signing Williams and Tomlinson (if they cut Zeitler), and maybe a guy like Curtis Samuel/Haason Reddick
The linked tweet is simply showing the Giants are in good cap shape over the next 3 years, which is true and very good.
The belief is with a new TV contract and the return to live attendance that the cap will go up significantly.
50M is a real possibility
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
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It is showing an increase cap in 2022 of over 50 million from the 2021 season. I don't see that happening
The belief is with a new TV contract and the return to live attendance that the cap will go up significantly.
50M is a real possibility
If they are truly confident the cap will go up like that we’ll know soon. With that kind of cap rise we could definitely afford LW, Tomlinson, and a high end wideout this year. It also wouldn’t stop us from extending Barkley, Peppers, and potentially Jones in the next 2-3 year time period. If they fear it will stay flat we’ll see one of LW and Tomlinson back and probably a small splash at WR (Samuel?).
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I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
I agree with this. But it can be hard not to fall in love with a play maker. When a star breaks free you have to sign him. Nate Solder, I didn't consider a star. There are so many injuries every year, the team that can have the next man up has the best chance. But maybe sprinkle in a play maker here and there. And QB is a category all on it own.
I don't think we even know what will hit the market at this point. I'm expecting there to be more CAP cuts than any other year. Not just because of the CAP decrease, but also it seems more than any year some teams are way over extended....looking at you Steelers/Eagles/Saints/Falcons.
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I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
This is true. They should spend all the way up to whatever number still allows them to pay their draft picks and have a little left over for the season.
My preference would be for them to target as many cheaper 1- or 2-year deals as possible. The original Markus Golden deal is a great example.
Quantity (lots of Goldens) over quality (one Solder).
Wonder what Kwon Alexander might get for a 1yr deal once he is cut from the Saints. Will he lose too much speed after the Torn Achilles. Pre-injury he would have made a great pairing with Blake Martinez but was too expensive...now maybe?
This will be a very, very odd free agency year and there is a chance we can benefit from it, or at least our defense can. If teams are unwilling to sign players to big deals you may see more players take “prove it” deals hoping the 2022 cap increase can lead to a bigger long term deal for them. They may take a look at Bradberry, Martinez, Ryan and Willams who had career years and target the Giants a place they can go excel in 2021, then get paid in 2022.
If its a year from now and we have no cap money, we will hamstring ourselves and not be able to sign our own people never mind others
There is a fine balance and the draft has to be the ways to the means. And yes, I do believe we should spend some of 2022 money now.
The key is resource allocation, value, and fairness. If you stick to these principles there is nothing wrong with spending in free agency.
Once a player is beyond their rookie deal, who cares who drafted them?
But I'm not sure what their wealth or any owner's wealth has to do with the cap. No team is running their franchise intentionally not paying people.
I also don't know why this has to be said, but having the most cap room is not managing the cap well. I have a feeling a lot of fans think it is.
My interest or understanding of the cap is vague so maybe that's wrong, but I don't see how it could be otherwise,
This is a critical offseason for the Giants. If they can trim the remaining fat from the poor 18/19 signings, and spend wisely, they can make strides.
Buh-bye Nate Solder... And lets not simply pass over the bad 2020 signings either, like Levine Toilolo... 2 mil/year was waay too much for THAT GUY.
One wonders if it makes sense to franchise DT, or even to franchise LW again as a negotiating chip, as Bill2 suggested.
One wonders if it makes sense to franchise DT, or even to franchise LW again as a negotiating chip, as Bill2 suggested.
There is not the cap room to franchise DT as well as sign LW and sign anyone else.
I do not think DT will have a big market. there will be a pile of NTs or DTs on the market.
I don't want to be tied to need in draft. Draft should be all about adding talent, not filling needs. Talent is our biggest need.
I'm not sure if Wellington had the money or foresight to purchase the other half at that time. My guess at the time is that Tim would not have sold it to him anyway.
We were incredibly dysfunctional in the 70's because of the 50-50 split. So dysfuntional that Rozelle had to step in and convince them to hire George Young. We still have a 50-50 split which is an awful situation. So far the relationship between Mara/Tisch was much better than Wellington/Tim but who knows about the future.
I don't think that's true. The biggest talent development on the Giants in 2020 came through UFA. Bradberry, Martinez, and Ryan were the all smart, economical, and successful acquisitions.
Why would anyone not want to replicate that?
The Mara's didn't sell off half the team to Tish. Wellington owned half. This nephew owned the other half. They didn't get along. Tim sold his half to Tish. He wouldn't sell it to Wellington.