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NFT: Knicks @ Warriors 10pmest

nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 8:12 am
Burks probable and will likely play

Rivers doubtful with achilles soreness

Frank doubtful with knee injury
West coast games  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/21/2021 8:22 am : link
suck living on the east coast.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2021 8:42 am : link
Going to be a tough game. Dubs are hot.
Looking forward to Mitch vs. Wiseman  
larryflower37 : 1/21/2021 9:09 am : link
Should be a fun game to watch if I can stay awake
it's really  
ryanmkeane : 1/21/2021 9:49 am : link
sucks that they couldn't get anything of value for Frank (if they tried)....I would have taken a 2nd rounder in 2023 for him at this point
RE: it's really  
NYG22 : 1/21/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15129619 ryanmkeane said:
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sucks that they couldn't get anything of value for Frank (if they tried)....I would have taken a 2nd rounder in 2023 for him at this point


Yeah I made the comment yesterday. His lack of confidence prevents any real assertiveness on offense. So, that eliminates the notion of him being a lead guard but also hurts his shooting usefulness (despite a shooting stroke that should produce good results). Could he be a wing defender that doesn't kill you on the other side? Sure, but the other impediment to even that is his lack of durability. At this point, he's hanging on by a thread as far as being a viable NBA player.
Frank? Who?  
Greg from LI : 1/21/2021 9:58 am : link
Don't know any Franks
RE: RE: it's really  
JB_in_DC : 1/21/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15129629 NYG22 said:
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sucks that they couldn't get anything of value for Frank (if they tried)....I would have taken a 2nd rounder in 2023 for him at this point



Yeah I made the comment yesterday. His lack of confidence prevents any real assertiveness on offense. So, that eliminates the notion of him being a lead guard but also hurts his shooting usefulness (despite a shooting stroke that should produce good results). Could he be a wing defender that doesn't kill you on the other side? Sure, but the other impediment to even that is his lack of durability. At this point, he's hanging on by a thread as far as being a viable NBA player.


The funny thing about him is that if he was a decent player there would be a ton of handwringing over his lack of durability. But because its been so bad it fades to the background.
it's just crazy to me  
ryanmkeane : 1/21/2021 10:00 am : link
that he's still on the team. but i guess we don't know the other side of it...maybe nobody wanted him
he's a flawed player  
Ron Johnson : 1/21/2021 10:20 am : link
like every other Knick
RE: he's a flawed player  
Jon in NYC : 1/21/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15129666 Ron Johnson said:
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like every other Knick


I will not sit here and accept any Julius Randle slander in the year of our lord 2021.
Frank  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/21/2021 10:37 am : link
is just flawed? Lol.
RE: RE: he's a flawed player  
Ron Johnson : 1/21/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15129679 Jon in NYC said:
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like every other Knick



I will not sit here and accept any Julius Randle slander in the year of our lord 2021.


admittedly, some are more flawed than others
RE: Frank  
Ron Johnson : 1/21/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15129691 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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is just flawed? Lol.


Well, I hear he has bad table manners also but can't confirm that.
yeah Frank is a flawed  
ryanmkeane : 1/21/2021 12:59 pm : link
player as in he cannot play NBA basketball
RE: yeah Frank is a flawed  
NYG22 : 1/21/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15129928 ryanmkeane said:
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player as in he cannot play NBA basketball


Frustrating because he has some things that would point to him being a good player (rare length, intelligent player, seems like a solid work ethic, adequate athlete). But man, if you can't stay on the court and your confidence prevents assertiveness when you are on the court....all the other stuff proves meaningless.
Burks in Rivers out  
Chris L. : 1/21/2021 1:32 pm : link
sounds like an upgrade to me.
RE: Burks in Rivers out  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15129962 Chris L. said:
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sounds like an upgrade to me.


Different players, Burks more of scorer/shooter, Rivers more of scorer/ ball handler..
This is a game knicks can go some small ball  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 1:52 pm : link
The Warriors are not a very big team, Id like to see for a few minutes Quickely, burks, Rj, Randle Toppin get some burn together, that is a lot of floor spacing..

Knicks off the bench have some shooters and the floor should be really spaced for Quick to attack the middle
This team needs shooters (Burks)  
Chris L. : 1/21/2021 1:53 pm : link
not brickers (Rivers). Have not been overly impressed with Rivers at this point. Would much rather see Frank get his minutes.
Wow, first 10pm for a local team  
jpkmets : 1/21/2021 2:02 pm : link
Since precocious, I guess. No baseball west coast swings. Guess I better take a nap!
Lol, Pre COVID-19  
jpkmets : 1/21/2021 2:03 pm : link
not precocious. Typing like Walt Frazier. Definitely nap time.
RE: Lol, Pre COVID-19  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/21/2021 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15130000 jpkmets said:
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not precocious. Typing like Walt Frazier. Definitely nap time.


Yeah....Dozing and prosing.
RE: This team needs shooters (Burks)  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15129984 Chris L. said:
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not brickers (Rivers). Have not been overly impressed with Rivers at this point. Would much rather see Frank get his minutes.


Frank should be in the G league, Rivers has at least come up clutch for this team in a few games
RE: This team needs shooters (Burks)  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/21/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15129984 Chris L. said:
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not brickers (Rivers). Have not been overly impressed with Rivers at this point. Would much rather see Frank get his minutes.


Laughable. What Rivers did against Utah is more than Frank ever did in his 4 years here.
i could care less...  
Italianju : 1/21/2021 2:33 pm : link
if Frank every plays again for the Knicks. Im a pretty optimistic fan, but the candle some of you hold for Frank being anything more then a end of the bench defender is absurd. If we drafted frank in the second round nobody would even want him on the team anymore, but since he is a top 10 pick people still want to see some unwarranted upside. Give me rivers any day of the week over Frank.
It's rare you see people jump through hoops to support a player  
Greg from LI : 1/21/2021 2:47 pm : link
the way some people have for Frenchy. It's kind of hilarious. BBI only has a few of them, but if you ever went to the Knicks reddit or Posting and Toasting, god almighty there were a lot of people for whom Frank walked on water. It was surreal how much they loved the guy no matter how much he stunk.
Every team has a frank on their team  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 2:55 pm : link
he is the 12th or 13th man and never plays
Frank was such a bad pick in the moment  
Enzo : 1/21/2021 2:56 pm : link
The lesson learned is that Phil had no business running a team. So many other players would have been a better pick. I'm not going to be surprised if he ends up being a useful player down the road though. He's got some tools. But whatever glimpses he's shown are all moot if he can't stay on the court and build on them.
Frank clearly an end of the bench  
GGGGmen : 1/21/2021 3:00 pm : link
NBA "role" player. Does nothing exceptionally well and can't create his own shot or get others involved.

Man, Donovan Mitchell was there.
Yeah Frank was a bad pick  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 3:03 pm : link
but the puzzling thing is he was pretty much a consensus lottery pick. I know there are plenty of lottery picks who turn into nobodies, but it's odd to think anyone thought highly of him. Even his Instagram workout videos are terrible, and those make everyone look like Michael Jordan.
Frank  
TyreeHelmet : 1/21/2021 3:12 pm : link
I remember at the draft his comp was George Hill and being pissed about it at the time. But I think we would all be happy if he approached George Hill which isn't looking likely.

Frank is a good nba defender but he is a horrendous offensive player. Playing shorthanded on offense in the NBA kills a team. Its nice having defense but you can't be that bad on offense and survive in the league. Not to mention he's always got an injury...When is even expected back?

Its a shame too because that 2017 draft was loaded.
RE: Frank clearly an end of the bench  
Greg from LI : 1/21/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15130082 GGGGmen said:
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NBA "role" player. Does nothing exceptionally well and can't create his own shot or get others involved.

Man, Donovan Mitchell was there.


So was Bam Adebayo
Wouldn't shock me  
GGGGmen : 1/21/2021 3:16 pm : link
if his rookie deal expires and he heads overseas.
I just don’t get it. Drafting a guard in top 10  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2021 4:30 pm : link
Has to have a handle (doesn’t) and a shot (doesn’t) and athletism ( doesn’t). I get the size, defense and intelligence but we were talking too 10. Bust.
Yea he could go play in France  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2021 4:31 pm : link
With our last French bust (who we took over Ron Artest).
RE: ...  
santacruzom : 1/21/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15129576 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Going to be a tough game. Dubs are hot.


Yeah but this will be the second leg of a back to back. Granted, their starters were able to get a bunch of rest because the game wasn't terribly competitive.

This Warriors team is very fun to watch. I swear, last night half the team just wanted to throw lob passes to Wiseman and watch him dunk.
Warriors commentators  
santacruzom : 1/21/2021 4:39 pm : link
were sincerely anticpating a really tough game tonight though. They have a lot of respect for the Knicks' D and are concerned about a lot of turnovers.
That move Steph made to hit the dagger three  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 4:56 pm : link
against the Lakers was a thing of beauty - the handles, the step back and the crazy range to drain the shot. He's one of the most entertaining basketball players ever.
RE: RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15130169 santacruzom said:
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Going to be a tough game. Dubs are hot.



Yeah but this will be the second leg of a back to back. Granted, their starters were able to get a bunch of rest because the game wasn't terribly competitive.

This Warriors team is very fun to watch. I swear, last night half the team just wanted to throw lob passes to Wiseman and watch him dunk.


They have played a lot better since Draymond is like their point guard and Steph moved off the ball
Damian Lillard basically talked shit about the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 7:30 pm : link
basically said of the Knicks good start, he said that shit wont last and said you got another week before same old knicks..
RE: RE: Lol, Pre COVID-19  
jpkmets : 1/21/2021 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15130005 Jim in Fairfax said:
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not precocious. Typing like Walt Frazier. Definitely nap time.



Yeah....Dozing and prosing.


Hahah that was excellent.
RE: Damian Lillard basically talked shit about the Knicks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15130301 nygiants16 said:
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basically said of the Knicks good start, he said that shit wont last and said you got another week before same old knicks..


Dame might be right. Who knows? He's a helluva player who I wish was a Knick, Haha.
Frank is the closest thing to a good player Knicks fans have seen  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2021 7:43 pm : link
since Porzingis. Think about how deeply sad that is by the way


That's why he has a fan club. Because there was no one else to root for.

Now there's Quickley, an actual good player. So why waste words on Frank.
RE: Damian Lillard basically talked shit about the Knicks  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15130301 nygiants16 said:
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basically said of the Knicks good start, he said that shit wont last and said you got another week before same old knicks..

Why would he be commenting on the Knicks at all?
Watching Lakers and  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2021 8:23 pm : link
I think Milwaukee or Dallas with these uniforms. Haha. It's the Bucks.
RE: RE: Damian Lillard basically talked shit about the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15130324 BigBlueShock said:
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basically said of the Knicks good start, he said that shit wont last and said you got another week before same old knicks..


Why would he be commenting on the Knicks at all?


One of the hosts of the show he was on is a Knicks fan
decent  
Del Shofner : 1/21/2021 10:18 pm : link
start
Every time i watch Oubre  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 10:19 pm : link
he seems like such a douche
LFG  
adamg : 1/21/2021 10:21 pm : link
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When did Bullock  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2021 10:21 pm : link
Learn to shoot
Mitch has to sit with two fouls  
Del Shofner : 1/21/2021 10:24 pm : link
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RJ looking good so far  
adamg : 1/21/2021 10:26 pm : link
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Payton really has no  
Del Shofner : 1/21/2021 10:27 pm : link
outside shot
Elfrid, please stop.  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 10:28 pm : link
Just stop.
RE: RJ looking good so far  
chopperhatch : 1/21/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15130370 adamg said:
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Hes going to the hoop more and look what happens....he gets easy buckets, goes to the line and probably thinks less when he gets an open look from 3.


Randle's been fine this year, but sometimes he goes full retard with his shot selection. That silly 20 foot two pointer when he passed on a 3, and earlier, he had a wide open 6 footer in the fucking paint and he kicks it out for a Payton 3 attempt. That was awful decision making. Sink the easy deuce and go back and play some D.
jeez  
Del Shofner : 1/21/2021 10:39 pm : link
Curry can shoot
RE: Elfrid, please stop.  
chopperhatch : 1/21/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15130372 bceagle05 said:
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Just stop.


He cant just STOP shooting. He is great driving with the ball
RE: Elfrid, please stop.  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15130372 bceagle05 said:
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Just stop.


Those 2 3s he took were the 3s he has to take..

The pull up 2s and 3s while he is guarded are the ones he needs to stop
Why is Noel  
chopperhatch : 1/21/2021 10:43 pm : link
Always the last guy with the ball when a timer expires? Can we throw it to ANYBODY ELSE?
RE: RE: Elfrid, please stop.  
chopperhatch : 1/21/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15130379 nygiants16 said:
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Just stop.



Those 2 3s he took were the 3s he has to take..

The pull up 2s and 3s while he is guarded are the ones he needs to stop


Exactly. I actually love him driving to the net, but hate when he takes contested shots.

Although I hate ALL contested shots. Haha, there is always someone open in today's NBA.
IQ with a couple of  
Del Shofner : 1/21/2021 10:47 pm : link
bad shot selections there
Does Noel need glasses?  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 10:54 pm : link
The ball was right in front of him how did he not grab that?
bench ruined all momentum  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:04 pm : link
Thibs really needs to stagger these lineups so its not all 5 starters and all 5 bench
Kevin Porter Jr. to the Rockets.  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 11:06 pm : link
Please end this quarter.
refs love to call fouls  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:11 pm : link
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Draymond gone with two techs.  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 11:12 pm : link
He’s been mouthing off all night.
RE: Draymond gone with two techs.  
Anakim : 1/21/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15130391 bceagle05 said:
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He’s been mouthing off all night.


Did he get fatter?
This is the good RJ  
Anakim : 1/21/2021 11:14 pm : link
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RE: RE: Draymond gone with two techs.  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15130392 Anakim said:
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He’s been mouthing off all night.



Did he get fatter?


He has actually been good for them, offensively he has been running their offense
RE: refs love to call fouls  
mfsd : 1/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15130390 nygiants16 said:
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Seriously, they’re giving their whistles a workout tonight. Someone must have bet the over
RE: bench ruined all momentum  
chopperhatch : 1/21/2021 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15130385 nygiants16 said:
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Thibs really needs to stagger these lineups so its not all 5 starters and all 5 bench


Absolutely right. Makes no sense to me. How bout we let starters get some time with bench guys and see if there is chemistry based on differing situations.

I guess Rivers gets no run despite playing fairly well recently.

Hate this math.
RE: RE: bench ruined all momentum  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:45 pm : link
In comment 15130405 chopperhatch said:
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Thibs really needs to stagger these lineups so its not all 5 starters and all 5 bench



Absolutely right. Makes no sense to me. How bout we let starters get some time with bench guys and see if there is chemistry based on differing situations.

I guess Rivers gets no run despite playing fairly well recently.


Hate this math.


Rivers is hurt
I think Wiseman is going to be good  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:46 pm : link
but warriors really should of drsfted lamelo, you see how hard Curry has to work with no one setting him up..
RJ BABY  
adamg : 1/21/2021 11:47 pm : link
LFG
Starters playing tons of minutes  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2021 11:48 pm : link
But hey you can’t argue with results. Need to end qtr strong
I don't know maybe RJ thinks he's playing the Pacers?  
Stu11 : 1/21/2021 11:49 pm : link
Steph with a bizarre night. He's scored 20, but all of it in like 4 minutes. The rest if his night has been shit.
I like this Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:52 pm : link
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This fucking ginger is pissing me off  
adamg : 1/21/2021 11:52 pm : link
Scrub
Minus one bad pass  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 11:52 pm : link
RJ has been fantastic all night. Exuding a lot of confidence, as Clyde would say.
RE: I don't know maybe RJ thinks he's playing the Pacers?  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15130410 Stu11 said:
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Steph with a bizarre night. He's scored 20, but all of it in like 4 minutes. The rest if his night has been shit.


Without draymond he struggles for every shot
Robinson looking great too  
adamg : 1/21/2021 11:54 pm : link
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Up 13 after three.  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2021 11:58 pm : link
Curry’s gonna be launching even more in the fourth - hope he stays cold.
RE: Up 13 after three.  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:03 am : link
In comment 15130417 bceagle05 said:
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Curry’s gonna be launching even more in the fourth - hope he stays cold.


Got to make a run early 4th, keep curry on the bench
We complain about the refs a lot  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 12:07 am : link
With good reason, but we're definately getting a friendly whistle tonight.
The rooks!  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:09 am : link
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This team is worth staying up for  
djm : 1/22/2021 12:10 am : link
Up 16. Obi with the nasty baseline dunk moments ago. LFG!
OBI  
adamg : 1/22/2021 12:10 am : link
And then a Quickley three. Loving it.
Obi with the defense  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:11 am : link
then Obi with the dunk..
Bench playing way better in the 2nd half than the first  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 12:11 am : link
You can see Obi gaining confidence out there.
Love Quickley dishing it  
adamg : 1/22/2021 12:12 am : link
Seems to find guys in great spots
RE: This fucking ginger is pissing me off  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2021 12:12 am : link
In comment 15130412 adamg said:
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Scrub


Watching him reminds me of Hans Klopek from The 'Burbs

His twin!  
adamg : 1/22/2021 12:14 am : link
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How many blocks do the Knicks have in this one?  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2021 12:18 am : link
Seems like a bunch
Beautiful basketball.  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:19 am : link
Gotta love the unselfishness of this squad.
Thibs made it a point  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:20 am : link
not to let Quickley guard Steph, didnt want to put his rookie in a bad situation
RJ one point shy of his career high.  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:20 am : link
Hopefully he pads his stats with a few free throws.
great behind the back from RJ  
adamg : 1/22/2021 12:20 am : link
Glad Robinson saved the play
Can't remember the last time I actually enjoyed watching the Knicks  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2021 12:21 am : link
This is nice
Caught the Warruors on a good night  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 12:23 am : link
But I will most definitely take it. Burks is rusty but it's really good to have him back. Is there a team in the NBA that misses more 2 footers than us?
Randle really has become a helluva passer  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2021 12:26 am : link
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Curry cuts it to 12.  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:27 am : link
Never feel comfortable as long as he’s launching.
This is a fun  
TommyWiseau : 1/22/2021 12:30 am : link
Game to watch. The kids are doing work
RJ wants that 30.  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:32 am : link
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RE: RJ wants that 30.  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:34 am : link
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i was jist coming to post this haha
RE: Randle really has become a helluva passer  
Del Shofner : 1/22/2021 12:37 am : link
In comment 15130442 Greg from LI said:
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one assist short of the triple-double
Ha! I actually saw him glancing up at the scoreboard  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2021 12:37 am : link
during a stoppage with like 3 minutes left, so he knew he had 28. He put up a bunch a shots after that - unfortunately that one layup rimmed out on him.
RE: Ha! I actually saw him glancing up at the scoreboard  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:38 am : link
In comment 15130448 bceagle05 said:
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during a stoppage with like 3 minutes left, so he knew he had 28. He put up a bunch a shots after that - unfortunately that one layup rimmed out on him.


The one layup he missed would of given him 30 and randle the triple dub
The announcers were harping on Randle  
Mike from SI : 1/22/2021 12:39 am : link
getting the triple double but that felt more like RJ trying to get 30 at the end lol.

Btw within the past few weeks I was ridiculed on here for suggesting RJ could eventually shoot well.
Wiseman is going to be a good one.  
larryflower37 : 1/22/2021 12:41 am : link
The warriors are going to be tough when Klay gets back.
RE: The announcers were harping on Randle  
81_Great_Dane : 1/22/2021 12:41 am : link
In comment 15130450 Mike from SI said:
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getting the triple double but that felt more like RJ trying to get 30 at the end lol.

Btw within the past few weeks I was ridiculed on here for suggesting RJ could eventually shoot well.
I think we forget sometimes how young these guys are.
Stan Van gundy is doing a terrible job  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 12:43 am : link
How the Pelicans 5-8? and getting blown out by the jazz
Randle's alley oop to Mitch  
Vanzetti : 1/22/2021 12:45 am : link
That was sweet.

Julius slowed down, Drew Wiseman to him and then hit mitch
Warriors announcers  
Vanzetti : 1/22/2021 12:48 am : link
were talking about how this team reminds them a bit of the Oakley Knicks.

"When they foul, they get their money's worth."

"They have some tough customers in the paint."

They implied that Randle used to be regarded as soft but under Thibs has become much more physical
RE: Randle's alley oop to Mitch  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 12:53 am : link
In comment 15130456 Vanzetti said:
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That was sweet.

Julius slowed down, Drew Wiseman to him and then hit mitch

Imagine if you surrounded Randle with some guys who could actually hit a lay-up on a consistent basis? Mitch missed a dunk on a lob too. Could easily have had 13 or 14 assists tonight. Whomever had Julius Randle becoming Nikola Jokic on their 2021 bingo card congrats.
RE: RE: RE: bench ruined all momentum  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 12:57 am : link
In comment 15130406 nygiants16 said:
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Thibs really needs to stagger these lineups so its not all 5 starters and all 5 bench



Absolutely right. Makes no sense to me. How bout we let starters get some time with bench guys and see if there is chemistry based on differing situations.

I guess Rivers gets no run despite playing fairly well recently.


Hate this math.



Rivers is hurt


I was told there would be no math....

Lol, thanks. Cant keep up with the day to day for the NBA.
Thibs in the postgame -  
Del Shofner : 1/22/2021 12:59 am : link
more animated than usual. I think he enjoyed this win.
I have a feeling Knox will be oit of the rotation  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 1:05 am : link
when Rivers is back
RE: The announcers were harping on Randle  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 1:06 am : link
In comment 15130450 Mike from SI said:
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getting the triple double but that felt more like RJ trying to get 30 at the end lol.

Btw within the past few weeks I was ridiculed on here for suggesting RJ could eventually shoot well.


So what do you want people to say? Because 2 weeks ago, RJ looked fucking awful. Jacking up 3s, 18 footers, playing shitty D,timid in the paint. RJ sucked. The last week plus his game did a 180. Why? Because he went harder to the basket. I actually said that thats what he needed to do, but I didn't need acknowledgement for that.

JK is a slasher. He is capable of playing good D too, but he lacks that instinct right now. Good thing is we have the right coach to do that.

This performance was not him lighting up from outside, it was about him getting lay ups, dunks and free throws. The 3s were gravy.
I dunno why my phone keeps  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 1:07 am : link
Auto correcting "RJ" to JR and JK, lol. Time to shut that off!
RE: I have a feeling Knox will be oit of the rotation  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 1:08 am : link
In comment 15130466 nygiants16 said:
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when Rivers is back


Its a shame, because his athletic ability is something to work with and he can shoot.
Toppin also showed some  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 1:10 am : link
Jump on defense. He moves very well for his size. I could see him becoming a very good help defender through Thibs and MAN can he get up the floor.
Haliburton  
GMEN46 : 1/22/2021 7:39 am : link
I think the majority of us wanted Haliburton with that 8th oick, could you imagine if we had done the obvious and drafted him and Quickley and haliburton were the future back court. Again I’m not throwing Toppin under the bus, but I see a shorter less athletic Mitch. The shot is ugly, it’s like a push shot and the stiff hips are brutal. I am not sure what they fell in love with in relation to him. We can’t have him and Mitch play together because you can’t throw lobs on every play and that’s all those guys are good at for the foreseeable future.
RJ is really improving. Offense not forced at all.  
Heisenberg : 1/22/2021 7:56 am : link
That behind the back move was sweet.

I liked Halliburton a lot too but I think Obi will be fine. He's struggling with the jump to the league from Dayton. I don't really see a comparison to Mitch at all. He's much more skilled offensively. He just needs time for the game to slow down a bit and for him to find his spot in the offense.
Toppin has an outside game  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2021 8:14 am : link
he can shoot and stretch the floor, he is not bad fit next to Mitch at all..he is not jist a rim runner.

His defense has actually not been bad at all
Who is that team  
M.S. : 1/22/2021 8:45 am : link

in orange and blue?
It's really nice  
Jan in DC : 1/22/2021 9:28 am : link
watching this team. Even when they're not winning, it seems like they're keeping it close.

I don't think that Frank and Knox have a future on this team, but Knox was looking like a functional member earlier this year. A player who can play spot minutes and hit an open jumper, so maybe I should withhold my judgement on him until the end of the year.
RE: RE: Randle's alley oop to Mitch  
djm : 1/22/2021 9:32 am : link
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That was sweet.

Julius slowed down, Drew Wiseman to him and then hit mitch


Imagine if you surrounded Randle with some guys who could actually hit a lay-up on a consistent basis? Mitch missed a dunk on a lob too. Could easily have had 13 or 14 assists tonight. Whomever had Julius Randle becoming Nikola Jokic on their 2021 bingo card congrats.


I want to take some credit or at least point out that I was one of the few on here that was singing his praises prior to the season. There were a lot of positive comments from Thibs early on regarding Randle's conditioning and overall place on the team and that gave me confidence in saying he was going to have a big year here. This is ridiculous though, but I didn't want to trade him for trash I will say that.
and now  
djm : 1/22/2021 9:32 am : link
I don't want to trade him at all. Randle is a legit stud.
I think RJ still has a shot to be an ok shooter...  
Italianju : 1/22/2021 9:48 am : link
but to act like you were right after a couple solid shooting game is the same thing as the people who said he is the worst shooter of all time and will not get any better right after he had a couple bad shooting nights.

Glad to get Burks back, he brings so much more to the table then Bullock does. If someone is going to lose playing time i hope its him over Knox, but i doubt that happens.
No way you trade Randle  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 9:49 am : link
And thankfully we have the team option next year. The way he is playing he mitigates the need to have a true playmaker at PG. As Quickley develops I think they can mesh together. Obviously he and Mitch have real chemistry. The tough one may be him and Toppin on the court together.
RE: and now  
Dr. D : 1/22/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15130555 djm said:
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I don't want to trade him at all. Randle is a legit stud.

I didn't get to watch last nights game, but have watched most this yr and it amazes me how people still want to ship Randle out.

From what I've seen, the way he's playing now (forget last yr), he's the best player we've had in years. He's playing better all around team ball than Melo ever played here. And if Ewing had someone of Randle's caliber playing next to him, we would've won at least 1 title in the 90s. Yeah, let's get rid of the bum.
Toppin or RJ might be a nice piece to go along with the draft picks  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 10:08 am : link
To get into the Beal sweepstakes.
why gut the roster to get Beal in a trade?  
GGGGmen : 1/22/2021 10:12 am : link
you'd be stuck where the Wizards are with Beal and scrubs.
RE: why gut the roster to get Beal in a trade?  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15130619 GGGGmen said:
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you'd be stuck where the Wizards are with Beal and scrubs.

Huh? Who's gutting the roster? I said RJ or Toppin and a bunch of picks. If you put guys around Randle who can shoot like Burks Beal and Quickly with Mitch in the middle that is not a bunch of scrubs.
Beal would be an outstanding get for this offense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2021 11:04 am : link
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RE: Toppin has an outside game  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15130509 nygiants16 said:
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he can shoot and stretch the floor, he is not bad fit next to Mitch at all..he is not jist a rim runner.

His defense has actually not been bad at all


He flew to make that block on the baseline in the 4th. It looked like started leaping inside the paint.
Also, for those of you raving about his  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 11:14 am : link
Shooting, a) he is not going to shoot 59% from the field every game, b) he is shooting better because he is shooting less from 3. He took only 3 last night and thats the way it should be until he eliminates the 0 for 4, 0 for 5 games he has once in a while.
RE: I think RJ still has a shot to be an ok shooter...  
Mike from SI : 1/22/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15130575 Italianju said:
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but to act like you were right after a couple solid shooting game is the same thing as the people who said he is the worst shooter of all time and will not get any better right after he had a couple bad shooting nights.

Glad to get Burks back, he brings so much more to the table then Bullock does. If someone is going to lose playing time i hope its him over Knox, but i doubt that happens.


I said he can be a good shooter; I think evidence from a few good shooting nights does prove that he has the ability to be a good shooter. I still would not even feel comfortable predicting that he will be, I'm just saying the skills are there.
It's probably safer to say he can develop into a guy who can  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2021 12:11 pm : link
reliably hit them when asked, but that wouldn't be why he's out on the floor.

RJ is more of a less-athletic D. Wade or a Jimmy Butler, just in terms of how he plays.
RE: RE: I think RJ still has a shot to be an ok shooter...  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15130723 Mike from SI said:
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but to act like you were right after a couple solid shooting game is the same thing as the people who said he is the worst shooter of all time and will not get any better right after he had a couple bad shooting nights.

Glad to get Burks back, he brings so much more to the table then Bullock does. If someone is going to lose playing time i hope its him over Knox, but i doubt that happens.



I said he can be a good shooter; I think evidence from a few good shooting nights does prove that he has the ability to be a good shooter. I still would not even feel comfortable predicting that he will be, I'm just saying the skills are there.


I too think he can be much better. Would prefer he figure out his drive game and maybe add some post before we get him shooting from outside more. He has a very long stroke and that tells me he's overly mechanical in his movement. Would love to see him shorten that up and use less arms, more legs. Go look at the way Stark shot the ball and how quick and short his release was.
RE: It's probably safer to say he can develop into a guy who can  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15130800 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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reliably hit them when asked, but that wouldn't be why he's out on the floor.

RJ is more of a less-athletic D. Wade or a Jimmy Butler, just in terms of how he plays.


He reminds me more of Trevor Ariza. It would be nice if he can add Ariza's on the ball D and fairly reliable open 3. But I want to see him use that first step and start going to the hoop more and work on finishing/drawing fouls.

He has really shown me something the last two weeks and he is playing with way more confidence. Legit

Beal  
GMEN46 : 1/22/2021 1:33 pm : link
If you Ha e a chance to get Beal, you give up Toppin or barret with knox, smith jr and four first rounders and you don’t hesitate.

RE: Beal  
Stu11 : 1/22/2021 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15130898 GMEN46 said:
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If you Ha e a chance to get Beal, you give up Toppin or barret with knox, smith jr and four first rounders and you don’t hesitate.

I'd do that in a heart beat and honestly I don't know that contenders could beat it. Our #1's are more attractive than an elite team's
Beal and this version of Randle...  
Italianju : 1/22/2021 2:06 pm : link
would be an impressive duo. If they can somehow build the package with Obi and not RJ or Mitch then they would be in much better shape then the wiz. Wiz roster hasnt made sense for years as they had Wall and now Russ with Beal and then nothing. Thomas Bryant was looking like he was taking a major step and now he is done.

That said (and we have exhausted this argument i think) Obi, spare parts (DSJ, Knox, Frank, whatever) and 4 picks isnt getting it done unless its next deadline and Beal is calling the shots since he will be a FA at that point in a few months. To get him this year or offseason it would most likely take 2 out of 3 of Obi, Mitch and RJ plus the picks.
RE: Beal and this version of Randle...  
chopperhatch : 1/22/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15130933 Italianju said:
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would be an impressive duo. If they can somehow build the package with Obi and not RJ or Mitch then they would be in much better shape then the wiz. Wiz roster hasnt made sense for years as they had Wall and now Russ with Beal and then nothing. Thomas Bryant was looking like he was taking a major step and now he is done.

That said (and we have exhausted this argument i think) Obi, spare parts (DSJ, Knox, Frank, whatever) and 4 picks isnt getting it done unless its next deadline and Beal is calling the shots since he will be a FA at that point in a few months. To get him this year or offseason it would most likely take 2 out of 3 of Obi, Mitch and RJ plus the picks.


After this post, I am shifting this convo to the game day thread.

I would absolutely do RJ and Obi plus a couple firsts. Not much more. He is signed through '23 only and I dont want to overpay to deal with a pain in the ass contract reneg.

That said, Randle and Beal to gether would be a l9t of fun to watch.

Also wanted to note, Randle has been overly timid with his shots. Hes gone from one extreme to the next. He passes up open looks and easier shots for dump offs to lesser shooters. But yes, this version of Randle is what you look for in todays PF.
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