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The Chiefs officially list QB Patrick Mahomes as a FULL participant in practice today.
3:45 PM · Jan 20, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
I guess the concussion protocol is malleable for stars in the postseason??
unless he wasnt actually diagnosed with a concussion. The protocol is a bit vague since each scenario is unique, but something doesn’t seem right here.
I want to see Mahomes play this weekend. It makes for a much more compelling matchup. But we all knew as soon as they were downplaying what happened that he'd be put back into action as quickly as possible.
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
unless he wasnt actually diagnosed with a concussion. The protocol is a bit vague since each scenario is unique, but something doesn’t seem right here.
I haven’t read much on this, but was he ACTUALLY diagnosed with a concussion or was that media speculation given what he looked like coming off the field?
I want to see Mahomes play this weekend. It makes for a much more compelling matchup. But we all knew as soon as they were downplaying what happened that he'd be put back into action as quickly as possible.
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
The most annoying thing is the NFL thinks we are stupid. Have we ever seen that in MMA where that happens? Nope, so their first excuse didn’t pass muster so the solution is to just blow him through protocol.
that there is barely a question that he is playing. I would have to guess he is still in the protocol and if he has a headache or other symptoms today he may not play
unless he wasnt actually diagnosed with a concussion. The protocol is a bit vague since each scenario is unique, but something doesn’t seem right here.
I haven’t read much on this, but was he ACTUALLY diagnosed with a concussion or was that media speculation given what he looked like coming off the field?
They tried to go with the old he got choked out excuse, but called out pretty fast on that so they blew him through protocol.
Actually the thought is he never had a true head injury
In my opinion, Mahomes experienced momentary trauma to the carotid sinus area, where the vagus nerve and baroreceptors are located. When people who are afraid of needles or the sight of blood faint, it is often the result of a vasovagal reaction. A direct blow or trauma to this area of the neck, such as the one sustained by Mahomes, can cause the same kind of momentary excitement of the nerve, sending the signal to the brain and causing him to “pass out.” Others in martial arts or police/military maneuvers have described this phenomenon a “brachial stun.” Carotid sinus massage is a medical way to alter a heartbeat through the autonomic nervous system, and it is done by pressing on the same area of the neck that Wilson’s forearm contacted.
I will admit that in my two decades as a NFL team physician, I have never seen this happen on the football field. It is unusual that the Browns linebacker’s forearm got underneath the helmet but above the shoulder pad. The initial blow and sustained pulling on the neck to prevent the first down would be enough to provide a “short circuit,” and the vagus nerve and baroreceptors would then have caused Mahomes to faint and stumble as he got up.
Of course this analysis is from afar, but I have discussed my thoughts with two other previous NFL physicians. They also find my theory plausible and to be the best explanation of the events.
The good news is that there is no long-term worries with this type of issue. There is no risk of CTE, spinal cord or permanent nerve damage. It is a transitory phenomenon.
The #Chiefs have updated their injury report. Patrick Mahomes was limited today. Today's report was sort of a projection because it was basically a glorified walkthrough. So if it were a full practice, he'd have been limited. Make sense? Good.
never understood why the NFL has motivation to see him play
but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
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You don’t fully pass out every time.
I had this happen during the birth of my son in June. I was standing by my wife as she was pushing and became light headed. I never fainted but I had to be assisted to a chair as my legs were wobbly. They had me put my feet up and put a cold compress on me and I was back to feeling 100% less than 10 minutes later
would be that he was not formally diagnosed with a concussion when he went to the sideline. After that, they can say they are monitoring him for symptoms, but if he wasn't diagnosed, I guess the protocol doesn't apply.
This is the logical and likely scenario. But, it is BS and really irresponsible if he did suffer a concussion/brain trauma. Like any fan, I want to see him play and expect that to be a great game. But, he has to be healthy and if the league and organization truly care about player safety in the short term and long term, this needs to be taken very seriously.
Mahomes was placed into the concussion protocol, but we do not know if he was ever actually diagnosed with a concussion. Regardless of the diagnosis, being int the protocol, he must pass 5 steps:
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Step 1: Based on symptoms, the player can engage in light stretching, balance training and eventually progress to light aerobic exercise.
Step 2: The player can graduate toward cardiovascular exercise and dynamic stretching, and then take neurological and balance tests. He can pass through this step once those test results match his baseline scores.
Step 3: The player can move toward a limited amount of football-specific exercise. That includes up to 30 minutes of practice time, under the supervision of an athletic trainer.
Step 4: Football activities can increase to noncontact drills such as throwing and running. Another set of tests must again show baseline results.
Step 5: This requires the team doctor to clear the player for contact. Once that happens, the player must be examined by an independent neurological consultant (INC). If the "INC" affirms the team doctor's decision, the player is cleared to practice full and play in the team's next game.
Does seem awfully quick, even in a best-case scenario to clear those steps in 3 days.
the man that ESPN and all the networks are gonna spend all their time covering once Brady and LeBron eventually retire. "Is he the GOAT?" "Can he become the GOAT?" "Is he better than Brady?" "Is he better than Gandhi?"
He's THAT guy, the face of the league legend in the making that even your mom has heard of. So I get why the NFL desperately wants him to play, but this is a dangerous game and I really hope that the team and league aren't being shortsighted.
In my opinion, Mahomes experienced momentary trauma to the carotid sinus area, where the vagus nerve and baroreceptors are located. When people who are afraid of needles or the sight of blood faint, it is often the result of a vasovagal reaction. A direct blow or trauma to this area of the neck, such as the one sustained by Mahomes, can cause the same kind of momentary excitement of the nerve, sending the signal to the brain and causing him to “pass out.” Others in martial arts or police/military maneuvers have described this phenomenon a “brachial stun.” Carotid sinus massage is a medical way to alter a heartbeat through the autonomic nervous system, and it is done by pressing on the same area of the neck that Wilson’s forearm contacted.
I will admit that in my two decades as a NFL team physician, I have never seen this happen on the football field. It is unusual that the Browns linebacker’s forearm got underneath the helmet but above the shoulder pad. The initial blow and sustained pulling on the neck to prevent the first down would be enough to provide a “short circuit,” and the vagus nerve and baroreceptors would then have caused Mahomes to faint and stumble as he got up.
Of course this analysis is from afar, but I have discussed my thoughts with two other previous NFL physicians. They also find my theory plausible and to be the best explanation of the events.
The good news is that there is no long-term worries with this type of issue. There is no risk of CTE, spinal cord or permanent nerve damage. It is a transitory phenomenon.
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He had a classic almost prototypical fencing response, that's not due to pressure on the vagus nerve.
RE: never understood why the NFL has motivation to see him play
it's not like less people will tune in to watch if he doesn't.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
I agree, this has been odd to me. Who's not watching Sunday if Mahomes doesn't play - probably people who already aren't watching.
This isn't Tennis or Golf, and its a playoff game, everyone will watch.
pressure from the Cheifs behind the scene.
Gambling money, the dark underbelly. Let him play. I am sure he wants to, coach wants him to, fans want him to, and so on. Clear him and let him play like a big boy.
Drop the song and dance of "protocol". It wont apply for big and big money games. Treat us and and the players like adults.
There are reports out there verifying this but they seem to be underreporting in. It was some kind of a pinched nerve in his neck as far as I can tell. He’s going to be good to go.
head issue. What I read his neck got compressed and he lost oxygen and that was why he woozy. Now, I have not the slightest idea if that makes it less of a risk going forward, but maybe (and I stress maybe because I am not a doctor) that is the reason for the quick turnaround. I would agree that 7 days would seem fast for that level of a blow that made him that woozy, but maybe this is rational explanation.
it's not like less people will tune in to watch if he doesn't.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
I agree, this has been odd to me. Who's not watching Sunday if Mahomes doesn't play - probably people who already aren't watching.
This isn't Tennis or Golf, and its a playoff game, everyone will watch.
pressure from the Cheifs behind the scene.
Gambling money, the dark underbelly. Let him play. I am sure he wants to, coach wants him to, fans want him to, and so on. Clear him and let him play like a big boy.
Drop the song and dance of "protocol". It wont apply for big and big money games. Treat us and and the players like adults.
What does gambling have to do with this? I feel like people gambling are gambling regardless of who is out there.
RE: it seems like it was a breathing issue as opposed to a
head issue. What I read his neck got compressed and he lost oxygen and that was why he woozy. Now, I have not the slightest idea if that makes it less of a risk going forward, but maybe (and I stress maybe because I am not a doctor) that is the reason for the quick turnaround. I would agree that 7 days would seem fast for that level of a blow that made him that woozy, but maybe this is rational explanation.
That's what they tried to put out there, but I have yet to see one example of that happening in MMA ever and why they got called out for that bullshit excuse. Probably why they had Glazer put that out, but where are the examples of something similar happening? It takes time for that to happen.
it is awfully convenient that an event that one medical professional has never witnessed in a football game before happened last week instead of a concussion??
Have we ever heard of a player getting choked out, but now it isn't just being floated out there - it is considered the likely explanation??
So has he passed all the concussion protical tests?
Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
RE: So has he passed all the concussion protical tests?
Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
I've been choked out a couple times, seen it happen multiple times (knew a bunch of crazy wrestelers growing up) and things are a little woozy after wards, but not like that. You don't look like you are on another planet. That excuse is such bunk and I've never seen it happen to anyone instantanouesly like that. Consistent pressure needs to be applied.
Brett Favre knows the ins and outs of the NFL, there's a reason he threw that tweet out there.
To decide conference champ
Big ratings
Big money on game
As stated he is poster child for NFL now. Huge star.
If they needed smelling salts to him out of bed, or he was slurring speech or something dramatic, I could see him missing the game. He sure won't miss because of some protocol, all parties will figure a way around that.
Already tried disinformation with the choking Bullshit.
Big game, everyone including him wants him out there, he will play is my point
RE: So has he passed all the concussion protical tests?
Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
I'm not positive, but I don't think he can fully participate if he hadn't passed concussion protocol. That is the point here. He doesn't seem to have been placed in concussion protocol.
RE: RE: So has he passed all the concussion protical tests?
Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
I'm not positive, but I don't think he can fully participate if he hadn't passed concussion protocol. That is the point here. He doesn't seem to have been placed in concussion protocol.
From the NFL page on concussion protocol:
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Every NFL player diagnosed with a concussion must follow a five-step process before being cleared to fully practice or participate in an NFL game. This process, developed from internationally accepted guidelines, ensures that each player receives consistent treatment.
So, he either had to have been cleared or was never in it. The former does not seem likely at this point in the week and the latter would appear to be BS. NFL Concussion Protocol - ( New Window )
he was in the protocol. BUT - you don't have to have a concussion to be in it. You still need to pass the 5 steps to get out of it. This was from Monday:
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Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes is in the NFL's concussion protocol, and that's really all we can say about his status six days before the AFC Championship Game.
We don't know how long he will be sidelined. We don't know if he will be able to play Sunday. We don't even know for sure if he suffered a concussion.
His arm locked outwards in a typical fencing response to head trauma. Lack of oxygen or pressure on the vagus nerve does not cause this. Disruption of the vagus nerve causes the body to go limp.
but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
If you see video of choked out people the victims shutter and jiggle quite a bit almost flailing.
And as with anything else, every person recovers differently. Remember Frazier was out a year for banging the back of his head against a chain link fence.
he was in the protocol. BUT - you don't have to have a concussion to be in it. You still need to pass the 5 steps to get out of it. This was from Monday:
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Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes is in the NFL's concussion protocol, and that's really all we can say about his status six days before the AFC Championship Game.
We don't know how long he will be sidelined. We don't know if he will be able to play Sunday. We don't even know for sure if he suffered a concussion.
Right. And I assume that he will breeze through them if he didn't actually have a concussion. If he did, its weird that we haven't found out by now.
It may end up as something that stinks but is actually legit.
when i was younger, and his reaction seems pretty consistent with what would happen to me - only here it would be due to trauma to the nerve. it wasn't a common occurrence, but typically i would lose consciousness very, very briefly and be really disoriented and stumbling thereafter. i was also not usually completely limp. it was not uncommon for my arms to be raised when i came to.
i'm not a doctor, but that explanation does not seem to be outside of the realm of possibility based on my experience. perhaps my experience colors my interpretation of the replay, but it's all there.
but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
If you see video of choked out people the victims shutter and jiggle quite a bit almost flailing.
And as with anything else, every person recovers differently. Remember Frazier was out a year for banging the back of his head against a chain link fence.
It's actually pretty common to have pins and needles in your extremities when it happens.
RE: i suffered from vasovagal reflex (or syncope)...
when i was younger, and his reaction seems pretty consistent with what would happen to me - only here it would be due to trauma to the nerve. it wasn't a common occurrence, but typically i would lose consciousness very, very briefly and be really disoriented and stumbling thereafter. i was also not usually completely limp. it was not uncommon for my arms to be raised when i came to.
i'm not a doctor, but that explanation does not seem to be outside of the realm of possibility based on my experience. perhaps my experience colors my interpretation of the replay, but it's all there.
I have experienced a vasovagal syncope probably a dozen times in my life. I have no idea if the hit he took could trigger one, or if he has/had a concussion or not. But I can tell you with 100% certainty that your limbs do not necessarily go limp from what people around me have told me. A quick google search backs that up, as some people can have seizure like symptoms during a vasovagal syncope.
RE: So has he passed all the concussion protical tests?
Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
Yup, absolutely.
I told someone that the only way I'd 100% believe that NFL conspiracies lacked merit were if Mahomes did not play this coming Sunday.
Having Mahomes on your team is unbelievable - not only is he a grade A talent, but the league will do what's needed to help him win.
A bunch of Niner fans are convinced Garoppolo was concussed in the Super Bowl late in the game on a helmet to helmet hit on 3rd down, which very likely affected how the rest of the game transpired afterwards for him. Definitely a harder and more malicious hit than what Mahomes received last week.
I can understand in that scenario the league being hands off and letting the guys just play since it's the Super Bowl.
I want to see Mahomes play this weekend. It makes for a much more compelling matchup. But we all knew as soon as they were downplaying what happened that he'd be put back into action as quickly as possible.
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
Agree, FatMan, we want to see him play. But when Andy Reid, a lock for Canton and one of the greats ever, said on Monday essentially ducked the head injury issue by saying he was looking good, doing all that he needed to do, w/o ever acknowledging C protocol, a regrettable look.
Almost wish it were the case to call the NFL to the carpet after they have to send a stretcher out there for Mahomes unconscious body.
Wonder what the gameplan is going to be for Bills. If you have a disciplined defense that communicates like theres does, usually just want to bring 4 and sit in coverage and make sure they don't lose the game on defense. Maybe we see them try to bring heat early. I mean if that was a concussion, that certainly looked like a bad one. What a farce this whole thing is.
but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
I've been choked out a couple times, seen it happen multiple times (knew a bunch of crazy wrestelers growing up) and things are a little woozy after wards, but not like that. You don't look like you are on another planet. That excuse is such bunk and I've never seen it happen to anyone instantanouesly like that. Consistent pressure needs to be applied.
Brett Favre knows the ins and outs of the NFL, there's a reason he threw that tweet out there.
I also have an anecdotal experience of watching someone get choked out. I shot a professional wrestling show in South America a few years back. One of the wrestlers was being unsafe during a match and not doing the scripted spots, then did an unsafe upwards chop and broke the other wrestlers tooth. The other wrestler got pissed and put him in a legit chokehold. He held him for about 5 to 7 seconds before he just dropped to the ground like a sack of potatoes. I was looking around to the rest of the crew like “Uhh..”. And that’s when I learned to never piss off someone professionally trained in BJJ, especially in the middle of a play fight.
Agree, FatMan, we want to see him play. But when Andy Reid, a lock for Canton and one of the greats ever, said on Monday essentially ducked the head injury issue by saying he was looking good, doing all that he needed to do, w/o ever acknowledging C protocol, a regrettable look.
This is the same Andy Reid who claimed that Vick got pulled from a game in 2011 because he had dirt of his facemask.
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
I haven’t read much on this, but was he ACTUALLY diagnosed with a concussion or was that media speculation given what he looked like coming off the field?
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
The most annoying thing is the NFL thinks we are stupid. Have we ever seen that in MMA where that happens? Nope, so their first excuse didn’t pass muster so the solution is to just blow him through protocol.
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unless he wasnt actually diagnosed with a concussion. The protocol is a bit vague since each scenario is unique, but something doesn’t seem right here.
I haven’t read much on this, but was he ACTUALLY diagnosed with a concussion or was that media speculation given what he looked like coming off the field?
They tried to go with the old he got choked out excuse, but called out pretty fast on that so they blew him through protocol.
I will admit that in my two decades as a NFL team physician, I have never seen this happen on the football field. It is unusual that the Browns linebacker’s forearm got underneath the helmet but above the shoulder pad. The initial blow and sustained pulling on the neck to prevent the first down would be enough to provide a “short circuit,” and the vagus nerve and baroreceptors would then have caused Mahomes to faint and stumble as he got up.
Of course this analysis is from afar, but I have discussed my thoughts with two other previous NFL physicians. They also find my theory plausible and to be the best explanation of the events.
The good news is that there is no long-term worries with this type of issue. There is no risk of CTE, spinal cord or permanent nerve damage. It is a transitory phenomenon.
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Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below
Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
The #Chiefs have updated their injury report. Patrick Mahomes was limited today. Today's report was sort of a projection because it was basically a glorified walkthrough. So if it were a full practice, he'd have been limited. Make sense? Good.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
You don’t fully pass out every time.
I had this happen during the birth of my son in June. I was standing by my wife as she was pushing and became light headed. I never fainted but I had to be assisted to a chair as my legs were wobbly. They had me put my feet up and put a cold compress on me and I was back to feeling 100% less than 10 minutes later
Haha. A lot of truth to that.
This is the logical and likely scenario. But, it is BS and really irresponsible if he did suffer a concussion/brain trauma. Like any fan, I want to see him play and expect that to be a great game. But, he has to be healthy and if the league and organization truly care about player safety in the short term and long term, this needs to be taken very seriously.
Step 2: The player can graduate toward cardiovascular exercise and dynamic stretching, and then take neurological and balance tests. He can pass through this step once those test results match his baseline scores.
Step 3: The player can move toward a limited amount of football-specific exercise. That includes up to 30 minutes of practice time, under the supervision of an athletic trainer.
Step 4: Football activities can increase to noncontact drills such as throwing and running. Another set of tests must again show baseline results.
Step 5: This requires the team doctor to clear the player for contact. Once that happens, the player must be examined by an independent neurological consultant (INC). If the "INC" affirms the team doctor's decision, the player is cleared to practice full and play in the team's next game.
Does seem awfully quick, even in a best-case scenario to clear those steps in 3 days.
He's THAT guy, the face of the league legend in the making that even your mom has heard of. So I get why the NFL desperately wants him to play, but this is a dangerous game and I really hope that the team and league aren't being shortsighted.
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In my opinion, Mahomes experienced momentary trauma to the carotid sinus area, where the vagus nerve and baroreceptors are located. When people who are afraid of needles or the sight of blood faint, it is often the result of a vasovagal reaction. A direct blow or trauma to this area of the neck, such as the one sustained by Mahomes, can cause the same kind of momentary excitement of the nerve, sending the signal to the brain and causing him to “pass out.” Others in martial arts or police/military maneuvers have described this phenomenon a “brachial stun.” Carotid sinus massage is a medical way to alter a heartbeat through the autonomic nervous system, and it is done by pressing on the same area of the neck that Wilson’s forearm contacted.
I will admit that in my two decades as a NFL team physician, I have never seen this happen on the football field. It is unusual that the Browns linebacker’s forearm got underneath the helmet but above the shoulder pad. The initial blow and sustained pulling on the neck to prevent the first down would be enough to provide a “short circuit,” and the vagus nerve and baroreceptors would then have caused Mahomes to faint and stumble as he got up.
Of course this analysis is from afar, but I have discussed my thoughts with two other previous NFL physicians. They also find my theory plausible and to be the best explanation of the events.
The good news is that there is no long-term worries with this type of issue. There is no risk of CTE, spinal cord or permanent nerve damage. It is a transitory phenomenon.
Link - ( New Window )
He had a classic almost prototypical fencing response, that's not due to pressure on the vagus nerve.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
I agree, this has been odd to me. Who's not watching Sunday if Mahomes doesn't play - probably people who already aren't watching.
This isn't Tennis or Golf, and its a playoff game, everyone will watch.
Classic, I have no issue with itz, just drop the bullshit.
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it's not like less people will tune in to watch if he doesn't.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
I agree, this has been odd to me. Who's not watching Sunday if Mahomes doesn't play - probably people who already aren't watching.
This isn't Tennis or Golf, and its a playoff game, everyone will watch.
pressure from the Cheifs behind the scene.
Gambling money, the dark underbelly. Let him play. I am sure he wants to, coach wants him to, fans want him to, and so on. Clear him and let him play like a big boy.
Drop the song and dance of "protocol". It wont apply for big and big money games. Treat us and and the players like adults.
Likewise does Reid alter play calling to eliminate plays where Mahomes might run, or put in some max protection for him?
If I were Reid I'd be very nervous on Sunday.
Everyone and their grandmother, including him, wants him out there for one of the biggest, highly rated, and highly bet games of the year.
The fig leaf of a "protocol" won't get in the way.
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it's not like less people will tune in to watch if he doesn't.
Hell I'd find it more interesting to see Henne play.
I agree, this has been odd to me. Who's not watching Sunday if Mahomes doesn't play - probably people who already aren't watching.
This isn't Tennis or Golf, and its a playoff game, everyone will watch.
pressure from the Cheifs behind the scene.
Gambling money, the dark underbelly. Let him play. I am sure he wants to, coach wants him to, fans want him to, and so on. Clear him and let him play like a big boy.
Drop the song and dance of "protocol". It wont apply for big and big money games. Treat us and and the players like adults.
What does gambling have to do with this? I feel like people gambling are gambling regardless of who is out there.
That's what they tried to put out there, but I have yet to see one example of that happening in MMA ever and why they got called out for that bullshit excuse. Probably why they had Glazer put that out, but where are the examples of something similar happening? It takes time for that to happen.
Have we ever heard of a player getting choked out, but now it isn't just being floated out there - it is considered the likely explanation??
He will pass. That is a lock.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
I've been choked out a couple times, seen it happen multiple times (knew a bunch of crazy wrestelers growing up) and things are a little woozy after wards, but not like that. You don't look like you are on another planet. That excuse is such bunk and I've never seen it happen to anyone instantanouesly like that. Consistent pressure needs to be applied.
Brett Favre knows the ins and outs of the NFL, there's a reason he threw that tweet out there.
Big ratings
Big money on game
As stated he is poster child for NFL now. Huge star.
If they needed smelling salts to him out of bed, or he was slurring speech or something dramatic, I could see him missing the game. He sure won't miss because of some protocol, all parties will figure a way around that.
Already tried disinformation with the choking Bullshit.
Big game, everyone including him wants him out there, he will play is my point
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Just because he is a full participant at practice today doesn't mean he has passed all the tests or does it?Confusing but I always thought he would play Sunday. He is the poster child for the NFL
I'm not positive, but I don't think he can fully participate if he hadn't passed concussion protocol. That is the point here. He doesn't seem to have been placed in concussion protocol.
NFL Concussion Protocol - ( New Window )
The diagnosis will be complete Sunday around 915pm
We don't know how long he will be sidelined. We don't know if he will be able to play Sunday. We don't even know for sure if he suffered a concussion.
He's saying Mahomes was cleared, but I haven't seen that confirmed yet
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
If you see video of choked out people the victims shutter and jiggle quite a bit almost flailing.
And as with anything else, every person recovers differently. Remember Frazier was out a year for banging the back of his head against a chain link fence.
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Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes is in the NFL's concussion protocol, and that's really all we can say about his status six days before the AFC Championship Game.
We don't know how long he will be sidelined. We don't know if he will be able to play Sunday. We don't even know for sure if he suffered a concussion.
Right. And I assume that he will breeze through them if he didn't actually have a concussion. If he did, its weird that we haven't found out by now.
It may end up as something that stinks but is actually legit.
half of you get dizzy if you stand up to fast(me included), i'm sure if he actually had a concussion they wouldn't pass him(yet...)
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i'm not a doctor, but that explanation does not seem to be outside of the realm of possibility based on my experience. perhaps my experience colors my interpretation of the replay, but it's all there.
half of you get dizzy if you stand up to fast(me included), i'm sure if he actually had a concussion they wouldn't pass him(yet...)
You can have a concussion and literally still be running. It happens.
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but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
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If you see video of choked out people the victims shutter and jiggle quite a bit almost flailing.
And as with anything else, every person recovers differently. Remember Frazier was out a year for banging the back of his head against a chain link fence.
It's actually pretty common to have pins and needles in your extremities when it happens.
i'm not a doctor, but that explanation does not seem to be outside of the realm of possibility based on my experience. perhaps my experience colors my interpretation of the replay, but it's all there.
I have experienced a vasovagal syncope probably a dozen times in my life. I have no idea if the hit he took could trigger one, or if he has/had a concussion or not. But I can tell you with 100% certainty that your limbs do not necessarily go limp from what people around me have told me. A quick google search backs that up, as some people can have seizure like symptoms during a vasovagal syncope.
Yup, absolutely.
I told someone that the only way I'd 100% believe that NFL conspiracies lacked merit were if Mahomes did not play this coming Sunday.
Having Mahomes on your team is unbelievable - not only is he a grade A talent, but the league will do what's needed to help him win.
A bunch of Niner fans are convinced Garoppolo was concussed in the Super Bowl late in the game on a helmet to helmet hit on 3rd down, which very likely affected how the rest of the game transpired afterwards for him. Definitely a harder and more malicious hit than what Mahomes received last week.
I can understand in that scenario the league being hands off and letting the guys just play since it's the Super Bowl.
But leading up to a game, I don't know.
Just seems odd that it was 3 days. Anyone could see him get up and have his eyes glazed over and unable to stand.
Wonder what the gameplan is going to be for Bills. If you have a disciplined defense that communicates like theres does, usually just want to bring 4 and sit in coverage and make sure they don't lose the game on defense. Maybe we see them try to bring heat early. I mean if that was a concussion, that certainly looked like a bad one. What a farce this whole thing is.
Right, and it's not like the NFL deserves the benefit of the doubt from anyone and this is a streeeeetch.
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but when I see the replay and Mahomes stumbles and his legs are kicking in what appears to be pain, that kind of goes against the idea he passed out.
Wouldn't a passed out person be motionless?
The video is below Mahomes Stumbles - ( New Window )
I've been choked out a couple times, seen it happen multiple times (knew a bunch of crazy wrestelers growing up) and things are a little woozy after wards, but not like that. You don't look like you are on another planet. That excuse is such bunk and I've never seen it happen to anyone instantanouesly like that. Consistent pressure needs to be applied.
Brett Favre knows the ins and outs of the NFL, there's a reason he threw that tweet out there.
I also have an anecdotal experience of watching someone get choked out. I shot a professional wrestling show in South America a few years back. One of the wrestlers was being unsafe during a match and not doing the scripted spots, then did an unsafe upwards chop and broke the other wrestlers tooth. The other wrestler got pissed and put him in a legit chokehold. He held him for about 5 to 7 seconds before he just dropped to the ground like a sack of potatoes. I was looking around to the rest of the crew like “Uhh..”. And that’s when I learned to never piss off someone professionally trained in BJJ, especially in the middle of a play fight.
This is the same Andy Reid who claimed that Vick got pulled from a game in 2011 because he had dirt of his facemask.