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| 1 QB Trevor Lawrence Clemson 6-6 220 4.76 2 OL Penei Sewell Oregon 6-5 330 5.16 3 QB Justin Fields Ohio St 6-3 228 4.48 4 QB Zach Wilson BYU 6-2 210 4.67 5 WR DeVonta Smith Alabama 6-1 175 4.49 6 WR JaMarr Chase LSU 6-0 208 4.42 7 WR Jaylen Waddle Alabama 5-10 182 4.38 8 TE Kyle Pitts Florida 6-5 240 4.62 9 CB Caleb Farley Virginia Tech 6-1 207 4.40 10 CB Patrick Surtain Alabama 6-1 202 4.52 11 QB Trey Lance North Dakota St 6-3 226 4.64 12 LB Micah Parsons Penn St 6-2 245 4.45 13 OL Rashawn Slater Northwestern 6-4 314 5.18 14 OL Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech 6-5 314 5.07 15 ER Kwity Paye Michigan 6-3 272 4.59 16 LB Jeremiah Owusu Koramoah Notre Dame 6-1 215 4.48 17 ER Greg Rousseau Miami 6-5 260 4.67 18 ER Azeez Ojulari Georgia 6-3 240 4.64 19 OL Alijah Vera Tucker USC 6-3 315 5.17 20 CB Jaycee Horn South Carolina 6-0 205 4.50 21 LB Zaven Collins Tulsa 6-3 260 4.76 |
Thanks for the heads up...
I have been beating the drum for another corner on this team and would not hate one early. However, if there is one position that is doesn't have great success later in the draft it is edge imo. I could be way off on this but I feel like edge guys fly off the board early and often and the best ones are usually from round 1 or 2. RB and WR can be found later. Same with TEs. But I don't think waiting for an edge in the later rounds is the way to go.
2. Penei Sewell, OT1, Oregon (6-6, 330)
3. Ja’Marr Chase, WR1, LSU (6-0, 210)
4. Zach Wilson, QB2, BYU (6-2, 212)
5. Kyle Pitts, TE1, Florida (6-6, 240)
6. Rashawn Slater, OT2, Northwestern (6-4, 308)
7. DeVonta Smith, WR2, Alabama (6-0, 172)
8. Jaylen Waddle, WR3, Alabama (5-10, 182)
9. Justin Fields, QB3, Ohio State (6-3, 218)
10. Caleb Farley, CB1, Virginia Tech (6-2, 205)
11. Patrick Surtain, CB2, Alabama (6-2, 205)
12. Christian Darrisaw, OT3, Virginia Tech (6-5, 315)
13. Micah Parsons, LB1, Penn State (6-3, 244)
14. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB2, Notre Dame (6-2, 220)
15. Trey Lance, QB4, North Dakota State (6-3, 225)
16. Azeez Ojulari, Edge1, Georgia (6-2, 241)
17. Alijah Vera-Tucker, OG1, USC (6-4, 315)
18. Christian Barmore, DT1, Alabama (6-5, 310)
19. Kwity Paye, Edge2, Michigan (6-3, 271)
20. Jaycee Horn, CB3, South Carolina (6-1, 205)
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I thought of Jones as the #4 QB...
I hope you are right and some GMs reach for boom-bust DEs ....
I think only 3 will go top 10. Not sure that Jets Atlanta and Detroit take qbs. That leaves Jags, Carolina as the only sure fire teams that take a qb. I do see a team trading up into top 10 to get one. The Giants may have a suiter for one at 11.
If Detroit moves on from Stafford its a 19 mil cap hit. They may wait till next year (when its only 6 mil). If Jets trade Watson then they would have to give up #2 overall and Houston will def take a qb.
I can see it as the Defensive players all have flaws that give them a lot of boom or bust. Rousseau is probably the best edge guy, but can be play in a 3-4 scheme or is he more of a 4-3 DE and hasn't played in nearly two years when regular season starts. Parsons there are questions about his football IQ. Not sure he really is the guy you want lining up the defense like Blake Martinez does. If you have someone else already then that isn't as big of a deal, but it won't come from him. Surtain people question if he is the athleticism to play CB at NFL level. I think he has the highest floor of the defensive players, but if he is only Antrell Rolle I am not sure that is worth a top 12 pick. Farley is just raw and while he has the upside to be the best CB from this class it is also possible he never puts it all together.
It's not that he'll be feeling pressure he will be meeting a important need with quality talent.
If these WRs are as good as people think, you can easily argue that the value will meet the needs for the Giants as of right now.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
If Trey Lance were a comparable player at a different position he would not have been ranked anywhere near 11. Outside of Lawrence, all of the QB's are ranked where they are solely because of position. I don't see any (outside of Lawrence) as being better than Jones in 2021 and some may never be.
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#11 and it just so happens that they have Trey Lance #11.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
If Trey Lance were a comparable player at a different position he would not have been ranked anywhere near 11. Outside of Lawrence, all of the QB's are ranked where they are solely because of position. I don't see any (outside of Lawrence) as being better than Jones in 2021 and some may never be.
You don't draft a QB with the hope that he might be better than your third year QB the year he is drafted. You draft a QB with the thought that he might emerge as an elite franchise QB within 2 to 3 years, with steady progress. There is almost nobody that doesn't view the top-3 (TL, JF, ZW) as clearly better than Jones, when Jones came out. And most view Lance as a top-10 pick, and better than Jones was viewed, in 2019.
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#11 and it just so happens that they have Trey Lance #11.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
If Trey Lance were a comparable player at a different position he would not have been ranked anywhere near 11. Outside of Lawrence, all of the QB's are ranked where they are solely because of position. I don't see any (outside of Lawrence) as being better than Jones in 2021 and some may never be.
You don't draft a QB with the hope that he might be better than your third year QB the year he is drafted. You draft a QB with the thought that he might emerge as an elite franchise QB within 2 to 3 years, with steady progress. There is almost nobody that doesn't view the top-3 (TL, JF, ZW) as clearly better than Jones, when Jones came out. And most view Lance as a top-10 pick, and better than Jones was viewed, in 2019.
We are not in a position that we can afford to hope that he might emerge. If we can't get a better QB then we need to surround our current one with a better team.
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#11 and it just so happens that they have Trey Lance #11.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
If Trey Lance were a comparable player at a different position he would not have been ranked anywhere near 11. Outside of Lawrence, all of the QB's are ranked where they are solely because of position. I don't see any (outside of Lawrence) as being better than Jones in 2021 and some may never be.
You don't draft a QB with the hope that he might be better than your third year QB the year he is drafted. You draft a QB with the thought that he might emerge as an elite franchise QB within 2 to 3 years, with steady progress. There is almost nobody that doesn't view the top-3 (TL, JF, ZW) as clearly better than Jones, when Jones came out. And most view Lance as a top-10 pick, and better than Jones was viewed, in 2019.
We are not in a position that we can afford to hope that he might emerge. If we can't get a better QB then we need to surround our current one with a better team.
That's a losing strategy in today's NFL.
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In comment 15130174 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15130167 Producer said:
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#11 and it just so happens that they have Trey Lance #11.
And sice we don't have an elite QB, yet, I think the Giants should consider selecting Trey Lance at #11.
If Trey Lance were a comparable player at a different position he would not have been ranked anywhere near 11. Outside of Lawrence, all of the QB's are ranked where they are solely because of position. I don't see any (outside of Lawrence) as being better than Jones in 2021 and some may never be.
You don't draft a QB with the hope that he might be better than your third year QB the year he is drafted. You draft a QB with the thought that he might emerge as an elite franchise QB within 2 to 3 years, with steady progress. There is almost nobody that doesn't view the top-3 (TL, JF, ZW) as clearly better than Jones, when Jones came out. And most view Lance as a top-10 pick, and better than Jones was viewed, in 2019.
We are not in a position that we can afford to hope that he might emerge. If we can't get a better QB then we need to surround our current one with a better team.
That's a losing strategy in today's NFL.
The last 4 Superbowl teams were Pats, 49ers, Chiefs, and Rams. There is only one current elite QB in that bunch. In fact I'd imagine if you asked Shanahan and McVay they'd trade their QBs for the potential that DJ brings. Shit if you ask both those teams if they had a game tomorrow they'd probably take DJ as it stands. I'm sure you'll disagree and cite some meaningless stats at me without considering there's 10 other guys on the field. Shit Shanahan probably salivating at the mobility DJ adds and what it would add to his run schemes
That can't be legit.
Personally I wouldn't take the gamble in rd 1.
+1 Bump (plus a great late round OL)
I agree with the thoughts and hope for a shut down CB or Parsons, but then you f it up with the tautology re "NOT ONE'"
Why do you persist on posting asonine talking points?
It's WRONG in about a hundred ways, once you consider the "givens".
Which are obvious, possible and for optimistic fans dare I say likely?
So let's do the GIVENS first:
1) Barkley returns at almost full strength.
2) Jones continues to improvev his decision making and pocket awareness and processing speed.
3) The "rookies" on the OL take a step forward: Thomas, Lemieux, Peart and lets include Gates, who was a "rookie" at OC for all intents.
Then one rookie standout, in particular Kyle Pitts and what he brings to the table, and getting Engram off the field or at least much reduced in his role or best dealt for a 3rd round pick. Affition by subtraction...
And the offense could very well make a 360° turn around much like the defense did from 2019 - 2020.
Watch Jayce Horn rise as "the best" CB in this class. Much talk about him lately.
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Besides him, I'm hoping one of the corners or Parsons grades out best and is there at 11. Strengthen a strength. No rookie is making the offense good.
I agree with the thoughts and hope for a shut down CB or Parsons, but then you f it up with the tautology re "NOT ONE'"
Why do you persist on posting asonine talking points?
It's WRONG in about a hundred ways, once you consider the "givens".
Which are obvious, possible and for optimistic fans dare I say likely?
So let's do the GIVENS first:
1) Barkley returns at almost full strength.
2) Jones continues to improvev his decision making and pocket awareness and processing speed.
3) The "rookies" on the OL take a step forward: Thomas, Lemieux, Peart and lets include Gates, who was a "rookie" at OC for all intents.
Then one rookie standout, in particular Kyle Pitts and what he brings to the table, and getting Engram off the field or at least much reduced in his role or best dealt for a 3rd round pick. Affition by subtraction...
And the offense could very well make a 360° turn around much like the defense did from 2019 - 2020.
Watch Jayce Horn rise as "the best" CB in this class. Much talk about him lately.
Ah, a 360° turn around.
Stand up and do a 360° turn and see if the resulting view is any different from the original.
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Besides him, I'm hoping one of the corners or Parsons grades out best and is there at 11. Strengthen a strength. No rookie is making the offense good.
I agree with the thoughts and hope for a shut down CB or Parsons, but then you f it up with the tautology re "NOT ONE'"
Why do you persist on posting asonine talking points?
It's WRONG in about a hundred ways, once you consider the "givens".
Which are obvious, possible and for optimistic fans dare I say likely?
So let's do the GIVENS first:
1) Barkley returns at almost full strength.
2) Jones continues to improvev his decision making and pocket awareness and processing speed.
3) The "rookies" on the OL take a step forward: Thomas, Lemieux, Peart and lets include Gates, who was a "rookie" at OC for all intents.
Then one rookie standout, in particular Kyle Pitts and what he brings to the table, and getting Engram off the field or at least much reduced in his role or best dealt for a 3rd round pick. Affition by subtraction...
And the offense could very well make a 360° turn around much like the defense did from 2019 - 2020.
Watch Jayce Horn rise as "the best" CB in this class. Much talk about him lately.
You would know about asinine talking points, your an expert. I hear the DMV over by me is hiring, with all your snobby little comments you've got the people skills to fit right in. And just saying, if you think this offense is going to do a 360 if we draft Pitts or someone, then your crazy. They sucked at every level of play. The only way you can think the offense will improve is if you have the delusional view that Lemieux is suddenly going to not be one of the worst guards in football and that Peart or someone else is secretly an all-pro talent in the waiting.
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Besides him, I'm hoping one of the corners or Parsons grades out best and is there at 11. Strengthen a strength. No rookie is making the offense good.
I agree with the thoughts and hope for a shut down CB or Parsons, but then you f it up with the tautology re "NOT ONE'"
Why do you persist on posting asonine talking points?
It's WRONG in about a hundred ways, once you consider the "givens".
Which are obvious, possible and for optimistic fans dare I say likely?
So let's do the GIVENS first:
1) Barkley returns at almost full strength.
2) Jones continues to improvev his decision making and pocket awareness and processing speed.
3) The "rookies" on the OL take a step forward: Thomas, Lemieux, Peart and lets include Gates, who was a "rookie" at OC for all intents.
Then one rookie standout, in particular Kyle Pitts and what he brings to the table, and getting Engram off the field or at least much reduced in his role or best dealt for a 3rd round pick. Affition by subtraction...
And the offense could very well make a 360° turn around much like the defense did from 2019 - 2020.
Watch Jayce Horn rise as "the best" CB in this class. Much talk about him lately.
Ah, a 360° turn around.
Stand up and do a 360° turn and see if the resulting view is any different from the original.
LOL. Got me. Lets try 180...
Yeah ok, sure.
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Besides him, I'm hoping one of the corners or Parsons grades out best and is there at 11. Strengthen a strength. No rookie is making the offense good.
I agree with the thoughts and hope for a shut down CB or Parsons, but then you f it up with the tautology re "NOT ONE'"
Why do you persist on posting asonine talking points?
It's WRONG in about a hundred ways, once you consider the "givens".
Which are obvious, possible and for optimistic fans dare I say likely?
So let's do the GIVENS first:
1) Barkley returns at almost full strength.
2) Jones continues to improvev his decision making and pocket awareness and processing speed.
3) The "rookies" on the OL take a step forward: Thomas, Lemieux, Peart and lets include Gates, who was a "rookie" at OC for all intents.
Then one rookie standout, in particular Kyle Pitts and what he brings to the table, and getting Engram off the field or at least much reduced in his role or best dealt for a 3rd round pick. Affition by subtraction...
And the offense could very well make a 360° turn around much like the defense did from 2019 - 2020.
Watch Jayce Horn rise as "the best" CB in this class. Much talk about him lately.
Ah, a 360° turn around.
Stand up and do a 360° turn and see if the resulting view is any different from the original.
LOL. Got me. Lets try 180...
Don't worry. Jason Kidd says you're in good company....
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You would know about asinine talking points, your an expert. I hear the DMV over by me is hiring, with all your snobby little comments you've got the people skills to fit right in.
Yeah ok, sure.
You constantly berate posters on here with personal attacks for making legitimate points about the team usually followed by some half-witted analysis of your own. If you said some of the shit you've said on this form to someone to their face a lot of them would of clocked you by now. You can hide behind your keyboard all you want but I can tell you that it is completely cowardly to say all of this stuff to these posters that you wouldn't say to their face. Hopefully your just some idiotic 13 year old who isn't as unpleasant in real life as you are on here.
I may not always succeed at it, but when I attack I attack the post or the point being made, not the person.
Unlike you, hence the personal attack back at you, it was a response. Your reading comprehension skills suck...
BTW, even that is not exactly a personal attack on YOU but rather on your inability to read.
Have a nice day.